Monday, April 16, 2007
Simon Shaw red card vs the All Blacks in 2004
This occured between the All Blacks & England in 2004, and is more of a talking point than a spectacularly violent incident.
Simon Shaw gets red-carded in the 10th minute for kneeing All Black lock Keith Robinson during ruck-time. England, who had had a decent start to the test match, had to play with only 14 men for the rest of the match. They lost 36-12.
Clive Woodward, the English coach, was furious about the sending-off: "We had an incident in Wellington last year when Ali Williams (All Black lock) stomped all over Josh Lewsey's head and was cited, but got off scot free in front of the judiciary."
All Black's Coach, Graham Henry, had no comment. The New Zealand Captain, Tana Umaga claimed that a 15 vs. 15 game would have been better, as the sending-off greatly altered the composure of the two sides.
Keith Robinson, the played who got kneed, said this:
"I was on the bottom of a ruck and I heard the crowd go off. I didn't know what had happened. When I got up I saw the red card, but I can say he didn't hurt me in any way. They are a physical forward pack, but I don't think they were trying to target anyone in particular."
Check out Tana Umagas face when he sees that Shaw has been red carded.
Posted at 11:52 am | 38 comments
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Anonymous April 16, 2007 11:45 am
hate what they did to rucking. he is on the wrong side, he knows what he`s gonna get and he gets it. in recent time you get penalised for stamping instead him for being offside and killing the game!lol for umaga`s face expression!
noizy April 16, 2007 9:29 pm
hate what they did to rucking.When did anyone ever ruck by dropping their knees into someone's back?
Anonymous April 18, 2007 4:31 pm
he should have used studs.......that didnt look like it hurt at all! if he had used studs he would have probably got a yellow at the most!
Anonymous April 19, 2007 3:05 pm
how can umanga make an expersion like that then say it was a shame for the game that he got sent off! idiot
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Anonymous May 14, 2007 12:56 am
yes well with out our Mr Web Ellis and our founding of the country NZ would be nothing. and we maybe a bunch of pompous wanks but we are still the world champions at rugby. go england
HOWESY May 19, 2007 1:24 am
Colonial Scum. one rule for the Kiwis (i.e. all the Samoans, Tongans and Fijians they buy in), one rule for everyone else.
Anonymous May 30, 2007 11:13 pm
i dont no why ur all going out about colonial shananagans now the point of this video was to show simon shaws red card which he clearly deserved as hes just kneed someone in the head. he shouldnt have done it thats it
Anonymous June 16, 2007 6:04 pm
poor play by Shaw, probably didn't merit a red but penalty and sinbin, worse reaction by Umaga though
Tim June 25, 2007 1:51 am
well actully it obviously did warrant a red which is why he got one!!!
H June 30, 2007 11:02 am
Shame the law on lying offsides tightened up, players should be able to take the law into there own hands. Typical AB's though lying offside, mentioning no names (McCaw)(Masoe)(Jack)i hope they get hit large portions in the world cup, especially umanga.
Gregor July 09, 2007 2:06 pm
Whats wrong with being pompous! Im better than a lot of people in and i know it! if you can back it up then there is nothing wrong with it! and as for the "wanks" comment its a shame his father wasn't a wanker!
Anonymous July 18, 2007 10:45 pm
Im all for rucking if they are lying on the wrong side and killing the ball but New Zealand had possesion here they were going forward and england were defending and he knees him in the head... hmmmm and this is one rule for one and another for the kiwi's don;t think so dirty play! as for Umaga he's proven his worth and therefore can be as cocky as he wants! lets face it it isnt as if hes the new kid on the block!
Anonymous July 31, 2007 4:58 pm
Who caresbottom linedoesnt belong in the gamethats all there is to it!
Anonymous August 11, 2007 7:26 pm
If Keith Robinson was killing the ball, the ref would have pointed it out. Shaw over-reacted, then Spencer did, then Dallagio etc etc. Robinson couldn't exactly get out either could he? There was no trurf for his feet, all he could do was to wait for the ball to go.
Anonymous August 12, 2007 9:48 am
im from NZ and i think a red was harsh but then we have all the english people leaving comments like "should have kneed him harder" right beside their comments that say "he was killing the ball he deserved it" you would be saying different things if it was robinson kneeing shaw
The Self-Proclaimed August 14, 2007 4:51 am
Umaga is a piece of trash. Shaw should've shattered his ugly face while he was at it. While I agree that the kneeing was unnecessary, Robinson was on the wrong side and killing the ball. That still doesn't excuse Umaga's actions, though. Shaw should've been sin-binned, not sent off.
Anonymous August 15, 2007 3:56 pm
I would have given Shaw a yellow in that situation - red was too harsh!And I agree completely with Woodward - that incident in Wellington was outrageous - the most blatant display of foul play I have ever seen with Williams just stamping on Lewseys head - and then no action is taken! I would have given him a red at the time and then had him banned for months!
Anonymous September 17, 2007 4:46 am
yeah yeah keep crying you pommy fagits, ... tana's face this, tanas face that, shut your mouths man, .. now wat you gona say after sa ripped you guys a new asshole?..
Anonymous October 04, 2007 4:48 pm
stupid English prick got what he should of got!!!!
Anonymous October 05, 2007 12:35 am
It was illegal. No doubt. Over reacted big time. But Shaw has a good disaplinary record. Its unlike him and lets face it, the atmosphre in the ground was electric and everyone was wound up.Umaga on the other hand is an over rated loser. He was always carried by talented footballers like Spencer, Mertens, Mauger, Cullen etc. He was a crash merchant. He would have been exposed for the limited player he was if he played for his true country Fiji. Prick and I agree with O' Driscoll. A cheat as well.
Anonymous October 05, 2007 12:39 am
Bye Tana. Piss off to France. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Nobody gives a shit about your book and you're a cheat. An ugly SOMOAN cheat!!!
Anonymous October 12, 2007 1:31 am
Simon Shaw is so clean that in the first test of this series he punched Mealamu in the side of the head at a lineout. No probs eh? 15 stitches and he helped win this game.
hamish m December 23, 2007 11:23 pm
Wrong side of a ruck? Not even trying to get away? You're fair game. As long as there's no STUDS on the head and nowt in the groin they should let it go. If I lie on the wrong side I expect it, and so should everyone else. How can anyone say there aren't double standards after England's lock's head got trampled on by a Kiwi and nothing happened?
Anonymous January 29, 2008 6:04 pm
haha Tana's face he's like *gasp* red card ooooooh!
Anonymous March 06, 2008 1:47 pm
Thats football not rugby. Disgraceful all round. The sending off, the refereeing for not blowing up when he was offside, spencers little push and the 'ooooh' taking the piss.
Anonymous March 16, 2008 11:42 am
The PLayer was on the wrong side and he got what was coming to him.although it was vicious i think it should of been a sin bin not a red card.
Anonymous March 18, 2008 7:10 pm
what a joke, he kneed him downwards...it wasnt a proper knee, get out the way u stupid NZer and get on the right side of the ruck, u deserve it for slowin the ball down. Chek out big lawrence nailing spencer...sweet, u dont scrap with england if you want whats best for you!!
Anonymous May 29, 2008 1:56 pm
how is it that most ppl get yellows for using their boots which have studs poking through nd he gets a yellow for a knee dosent make sence if ya ask me?
chris June 04, 2008 8:53 pm
typical new zealand, ali williams got off scot free when he did something similar to josh lewsey, but when he did it in a club game against a fellow kiwi he got banned for weeks.just cant take getting beaten by england.go win a world cup or something,you haven't done that in a while!
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HM March 03, 2010 1:51 pm
That's an absolute joke - if you're on the wrong side of the ruck, or lying on the ball, you should be fair game as long as they don't touch your head or nackers. Bullshit call.
Swannie November 26, 2010 12:17 am
England Sucks! I cant believe they have made it into the top 5 rankings.
J September 12, 2012 7:28 am
- "If Keith Robinson was killing the ball, the ref would have pointed it out." -
You mean by awarding a penalty against Robinson, for example? Now have a look at the video again and see which way the ref awards the penalty before the Australian touch-judge got involved.
As an aside, whilst the ref had a clear view of the incident and awarded the penalty to England, the Aussie TJ who flagged up and recommended the red card had such a poor view of the incident that he was initially unable to identify the perpetrator (and had to illegally use the TMO to identify Shaw), and also told the ref that it was a knee to the head when the footage shows it clearly wasnt. Which is why the red card was later rescinded on appeal.
You mean by awarding a penalty against Robinson, for example? Now have a look at the video again and see which way the ref awards the penalty before the Australian touch-judge got involved.
As an aside, whilst the ref had a clear view of the incident and awarded the penalty to England, the Aussie TJ who flagged up and recommended the red card had such a poor view of the incident that he was initially unable to identify the perpetrator (and had to illegally use the TMO to identify Shaw), and also told the ref that it was a knee to the head when the footage shows it clearly wasnt. Which is why the red card was later rescinded on appeal.
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