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Tuesday, May 08, 2007

Blues score a try from a quick lineout - Poor refereeing

Blues score a try from a quick lineout - Poor refereeing

This is a controversial incident from the Blues vs Force game. The ball is kicked into touch but the Blues take the quick lineout with another ball, which results in a try. This is against the laws of the game, and the Blues know that.

It's amazing that the ref and his touch judge couldn't see this. In Jonathan Kaplan's defence, he went on what the touch judge, James Lekkie, said he saw.

The Ref and Touch Judge are taking all the flak for this, but I feel that there's a degree of bad sportsmanship involved here also. Ali Williams is the player who catches the other ball and tosses it in. He should never have done so.

Yes, you take what you get, but that doesn't make it right.

Surely the TMO should be allowed to intervene in situations like this. Two weeks in a row we've seen incidents where if the TMO ruling were more flexible, it would make the game smoother, and there wouldn't be cock-ups like this.

(d) For a quick throw-in, the player must use the ball that went into touch. If, after it went to touch and was made dead, another ball is used, or if another person has touched the ball apart from the player throwing it in, then the quick throw-in is disallowed. The same team throws in at the line-out.

Posted by Rugbydump at 8:34 am | View Comments (27)

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Anonymous May 08, 2007 4:34 pm

in the light of the latest scandals connected to ali williams this looks like another example of his lack of sportsmanship

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Anonymous May 09, 2007 12:26 am

so is this wat they're teaching the all blacks to do at their bootcamps? how to screw other teams over? i hope the rules will be in stricter force in france than in the southern hemisphere

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Stuey May 10, 2007 9:41 am

That's was right in front of the officials. Gutless refereeing in the face of shameless cheating.

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howesy May 19, 2007 1:57 am

typical Kiwi cheats. just imagine the uproar in New Zealand if it was the other way around . . . .

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Anonymous May 24, 2007 9:09 pm

Don't boo Kaplan, he did the right thing. Boo Williams and the touch-judge. Kaplan is the best referee in the world.

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Anonymous June 07, 2007 9:47 pm

why have a go at Williams? he did what anygood player would do and take the chance! the touch judge is the only person in the wrong. and as for the comment of it being a cheating kiwi, thats rubbish! im English and i know damn well if Grewcock has that chance at the world cup he'd try it! it's clever rugby! get away with what you can!

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Anonymous June 12, 2007 1:49 pm

Unfortunately seems to sum up standard of SH reffing. Watched the first test V France and Dickinson put in a shamefully biased performance. Couldn't belive what I was watching and turned off after 20 mins. Players will play to the limit. It's up to the refs and assistants to ensure fair play. Agree with comments that TMO should be more involved than at present.

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Anonymous June 30, 2007 6:51 am

It wasn't the kiwis fault, it was the bloody referee

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Anonymous July 06, 2007 4:21 pm

Of course it is cheating, breaking the rules you know for the benefit of yourself and your team, cheating. It's appalling he got away with it. I live in NZ (Though currently in London) and I know for a fact that the kiwis would whinge, moan and complain for weeks about something like this if they were the receivers.They would attack the officials but also the the player. I wasn't in the country for the incident but I'm sure a very blind eye was turned to Mr. Williams shameful lack sportsmanship.

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Anonymous July 06, 2007 7:21 pm

williams is just a dity old player, but what bout mealamu?? he also knew it was wrong remember! but's the touch judge's fault and his alone...not the flippin ref!

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Anonymous July 19, 2007 12:33 pm

that was horrible. i was there - all the audience knew it was a different ball why didn't any of the officials?!?!?!

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 9:30 am

its up to the officials to catch them out. If they can get away with it why not do it? its not like any other team wouldnt try it

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 9:35 pm

yeah but theres the difference between sportsmen and cheaters.

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B Scott August 31, 2007 2:54 am

The fact of taking the chance, or any other team would try doesn't matter. Thy would be cheaters too. Makes me sick as a rugger. Bending the rules is one thing, BREAKING is a whole different matter.

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Anonymous September 14, 2007 8:01 am

You get away with what you can, that's what they did. Totally the Linesman's fault

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rich October 29, 2007 5:56 pm

i wouldnt say 'typical kiwi cheats' etc....kaplan is a sh** referee, TJ had his back to the ball change, kraplan was looking right at it!

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Anonymous December 12, 2007 10:21 pm

the comment from howesy is bullsh#t ur jus a tosser, kiwis arnt cheats and ur jus mad because they are the best rugby players in the world

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evzman March 24, 2008 9:52 am

kiwi's aren't ceats it's just a few individuals that do it.the english.

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Ben J June 18, 2008 3:17 pm

Why didn't the Referee (Johnathan Kaplan)spot it?. The Blues take the lineout with another ball which is 100% against the rules!.Ali Williams is the player that caught the other ball,yes you take what you get but Kaplan should have spotted that!.

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Dani_Talyuli August 01, 2008 3:36 pm

not a nice play I think. But you play the ball the way you can, the responsibles for making players follow the rules are the referees.Nobody complains when people step on each other when in the ruck, but complain about this!!! It sounds contraditory...

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Anonymous March 14, 2011 12:59 pm

Looks like Kaplin passed the buck to his touchie there too. Is there anything that Kaplin actually see's himself?

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Zak March 14, 2011 1:26 pm

Rules are broken all the time in rugby. The guy took a chance and due to the touch judge being an idiot, or a spineless softie, it paid off. Yes it was breaking the rules, but it was hardly bad sportsmanship. That's like saying a flanker who breaks an occasional rule at the breakdown in the process of doing his job, disrupting play, is a bad sportsman.

Sure it was against the rules, but we play our game to the whistle, which in this case wasn't blown.

Storm in a tea cup if you ask me.

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Anonymous March 14, 2011 1:41 pm

Same thing happened in the Ireland Wales game on Saturday and it ended up costing the Irish the game as they lost by 6(and Wales conveted the try that shouldnt have been)!

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William March 14, 2011 1:43 pm

Poor lines man and poor refereeing, blatantly obvious that the ball went miles out. Same as on Saturday. I agree with playing the whistle but i just wish that the ref and "assistant refs" had the balls to go to the TMO on this since it directly lead to a try. I can't see fans from NZ or teams teams being objective about this if it happened to them and it lead to loosing the game.

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Anonymous March 14, 2011 4:05 pm

i dont think this should have went to the TMO same as the incident at the weekend with wales and ireland. if we start going to the TMO about this when does it end? it will end up like american football with challenges being allowed and this boring stop start play which isnt what rugby union is about. refs are human they are going to make mistakes its funny how quickly people move to external factors on why they lost the game rather than the internal ones. ireland for example have been poor at best in this six nations yet its all going be about how the ref cheated them out of this one game. there should be a look at the ireland set up where they only managed to scrap past italy. granted italy beat france but thats not saying italy are a strong side more that they have played two teams playing poorly

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Anonymous March 14, 2011 4:16 pm

Same thing happend in the wales vs ireland game, i cant believe the touch judges cant see whats happening

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