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Saturday, August 11, 2007

Marius Joubert soft spear tackle

Marius Joubert soft spear tackle

After seeing Morne Steyn get red carded for a spear tackle a couple of weeks ago, Marius Joubert was only yellow carded for this tackle a week later.

It was definitly not as dangerous as Steyns, but the question has to be asked - should it be a red card for any spear tackle, or is each tackle judged according to the severity of the impact?

It may have been a spear tackle, but it wasn't a "true" spear tackle, as Joel Stransky points out.

Both fans and players alike need consistancy from the refs and the IRB rulings. My feeling is that each tackle should be judged accordingly. Therefore, a yellow was sufficent here. Your thoughts?

Posted by Rugbydump at 4:03 am | View Comments (29)

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Chris August 11, 2007 5:34 pm

A little dangerous, he didn't guide the upper body down at all. Yellow seems about right.

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Tom August 11, 2007 10:15 pm

i flicked on the tv in aus and this game was on, and i watched this tackle "live"- on first impressions it just looks like a strong tackle, but in the replays it is probably dangerous-but not a spear. Yellow's about right (although i didn't see the whole game)

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 7:23 am

That's just a good tackle, nothing like a spear tackle.It's a contact sport - they're not playing tiddlywinks!

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 9:10 am


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Anonymous August 12, 2007 10:54 am

That was a classic dump tackle, he could have gone done with him but why was it needed - he wasn't in any danger of damaging his neck. What I've always been taught is when the head or the neck makes contact with the ground before the rest of the body, that's when you have problems, hence a spear tackle (if you watch it again you'll notice his shoulders hit the ground first and his head makes little contact with the pitch). And it's not as if he picked him up and 'threw'him down, I've seen much much worse.

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 10:58 am

No way a spear tackle, like the comentator said " a spear tackle is when you pick the guy up turn him round and dump him on his head" much like the picture on the post below this video of Eng Vs Wales!!

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 10:59 am

yeh thats not a spear tackle at all. i thought a spear tackle was picking someone up and turning them arse over tits putting them down on their head/neck. smashing someone onto their arse is just a big hit as it not as dangerous

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 2:28 pm

this wasn`t more dangerous tackle than any other in the game of rugby. rugby is a dangerous sport!and the commentator "it must be a red card" go and watch football you nancy

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No.7 August 12, 2007 4:27 pm

All you guys saying that rugby is a dangerous sport its not tiddlywinks etc really havent got a clue, yes its a tough sport but the rules are in place to limit the amount of danger! if you saw a guy getting clotheslined then you would argue it was a dangerous tackle, just because a spear tackle is similar to a straight forward dump tackle it doesnt make it any less dangerous!as for the yellow, well every ref is different, play the ref and see what you can get away with, consistency would be a God send, but it isnt going to happen! anyone that plays will know it!

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 8:01 pm

it wasnt a spaer tackle at all!a spear tackle is when a player is picked up, turned on to his head and then drove in to the ground.this is dangerous and should result in a red card.but this tackle was just a strong dump tackle.refs have got to harsh on dump tackles after the umaga, o'driscoll incident!

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No.7 August 12, 2007 10:16 pm

Check again, the guys shoulder hits the ground first, it is only the fact he has adopted a sitting position (L shape) that stops his neck/head from hitting the ground first!!! and he is being driven!

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Anonymous August 12, 2007 11:23 pm

isnt it a spear tackle when the person's head is below the hips when tackled?or does the head have to hit the ground first for it to be a spear tackle?

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Matheus Lima August 12, 2007 11:33 pm

Oh, man! Now, mothers are doing the rules of Rugby?! Come on! That was just a strong tackle!

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ro August 13, 2007 8:47 am

I am a fan of strong hits, and thats all that this tackle was.Danger tackles are usually with intent,or recklessness.There was neither here. This tackle has no venom are intent to mame! yellow was even a tough call. The game we love is Rugby, i hope we dont start having a PC 'Politicly correct' attitude twards our loved game.

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Anonymous August 13, 2007 9:28 am

That wasn't a spear - he came down on his back. Slightly on the right side of his back, but back nonetheless.Good strong tackle, but no Tuqiri-McCaw

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Anonymous August 13, 2007 12:47 pm

Yeah, not sure what no.7 is on about.It was quite clearly not a spear tackle. He didnt pick his legs up to turn the player upside down in the air, and the tackled player landed on his back, not his shoulders/head. You cannot entirely predict what will happen in each such colision. Refs should give some 'benefit of the doubt' to the tackler, unless intent is obvious, otherwise the big hits we know and love will be a thing of the past. And this website will be void of anything interesting.

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drew August 13, 2007 1:12 pm

Probably not quite a spear tackle. God i wish people on here would stop saying rugby is a contact sport and it's not tiddlywinks etc. I know that i play the game but i don't want my neck broken or see someone else broken and life ruined. Not that i'd ever get dumped or speared :)

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Anonymous August 13, 2007 4:40 pm

not a spear tackle. idiot commendators don't seem to be able to tell difference between dump and a spear. the other commentator got it right

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Anonymous August 13, 2007 9:18 pm

No ways is that a spear tackle or a yellow. Should have been penalty at the worst - totally harmless.

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Anonymous August 15, 2007 11:33 am

Why is another sharky been spear tackled? poor bastarts!!

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Anonymous August 30, 2007 2:00 pm

nothin wrong with that it was a mint tackle i wuda gave no cards only 2 the other team 4 bad reactions

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Andy T October 10, 2007 9:20 am

If he had his arms wrapped round his upper leg it would've been fine, but he had his lower leg/knees and drove, so not a spear tackle as he didn't try and turn him onto his head, but dangerous enough for a yellow, good call ref, didn't get all jumpy like the commentator and judged the individual tackle

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Ryan Dowsett October 28, 2007 10:45 pm

this is no way a spear tackle, his shoulders hit the ground first, it was a good tackle. im only 15 and ive had much harder more illegal tackles than that and they have not been penalised. very good tackle and tbh, he should of just placed the ball back and got up!!

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Anonymous November 22, 2007 10:28 pm

well what i see is he doesn't lift him and then dump will see that he just pulls his legs out from underneath him but all the same had the potential to be dangerous

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Anonymous December 26, 2007 11:04 am

If I were tackled / picked up ... with both legs ... I would voluntarily go down just so that the opposition wouldn't gain a few meters. I think the player did the same, and the tackling player didn't really have control over that. You might think its stupid and endangering yourselves, but hey, this is Rugby... we're willing to put our bodies on the line.To me according to the definition of spear and dangerous play, yellow was sufficient. But in my opinion rugby has gotten soft.

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Anonymous February 05, 2008 5:29 pm

dat woz no way a speer tackle

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Nova April 04, 2008 9:49 am

Technically it was a spear as there was downward force and the player was beyond the horizontal however its obvious the the tackler was tring to keep him below the horizontal and not do any serious damage.You can always judge how bad a tackle is by players reactions - no one reacted so its nothing to worry about

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evnz April 19, 2008 6:54 pm

i really dont think it was a spear tackle it couldn't of injured him so i yellow is quite fair here.

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Anonymous May 29, 2008 11:45 am

I think for what actualy happened a yellow is fair but there seemed to be intent to do more than just tackle like that if you watch the second half of the tackle.

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