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Sunday, July 06, 2008

Harinordoquy and Boyoud suspended after big Australia vs France punchup

Harinordoquy and Boyoud suspended - Australia vs France punchup

French forwards Renaud Boyoud and Imanol Harinordoquy have been suspended for three weeks for ugly punches on Wallabies second-rower James Horwill at Suncorp Stadium. Horwill was sent to hospital for scans on his eye socket after being struck by both Boyoud and Harinordoquy during a wild first-half brawl in the Wallabies 40-10 win last night.

English judicial officer Christopher Quinlan handed down the sentences, to commence from the start of the French season on August 1, after both pleaded guilty to striking .

Number eight Harinordoquy threw a flurry of upper cuts at the Australian lock after he ran in to assist Wallabies hooker Stephen Moore who was in a scuffle with French flankers Matthieu Lievremont and Fulgence Ouedraogo.

Tight-head prop Boyoud then landed a heavy punch that Horwill, who will visit an eye surgeon tomorrow, first feared had broken his eye socket.

"I just went in to give Squeak (Moore) a hand and there was a flurry of punches and I stood up and turned the wrong way and just copped one from behind and my eye swelled up and couldn't see out of left eye," a heavily-bandaged Horwill said today.

Ironically, the Australian was penalised by New Zealand referee Paul Honiss on the advice of his touch judge for inciting the brawl by running to the aid of Moore.

"Squeak had two guys on him and there was a guy around his neck so I was just trying to get him off and help him off," Horwill said. "I'm not sure why it escalated.

"That's footy, it's not the first black eye I've got and won't be my last in my Test career."

Quinlan found Harinordoquy threw deliberate and repeated blows to the head of Horwill while Boyoud was found to have struck Horwill once but it was a significant blow, struck from behind.

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el nino July 06, 2008 6:47 pm

ewww that eye looks nasty

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el nino July 06, 2008 6:55 pm

on 2nd viewing those r such cheap shots, im actually quite annoyd jus watching it

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timalimimim July 06, 2008 8:22 pm

french number 3- absolutely disgraceful. Deserves a much lenghtier ban in my eyes

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Fred July 06, 2008 8:54 pm

bottom right of your screen, 28-30 seconds= what really started the fight :O:O:P:P

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Shaft July 06, 2008 8:58 pm

Yeah Chris, nice one mate. I bet no one from your country's ever done something similar. Have some respect for the other visitors on here, both French, and young. Keep it clean plz mate. Poor Horwill though - a few minutes earlier he was diving over for a sensational try, then this happens. He really does look like something resembling Frankenstein or some other horror movie character in that pic.

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Tom July 06, 2008 9:17 pm

Stupid comment Chris since you can see that nothing of this would have happened if Horwill had not entered the fight (which was almost over when he arrived). So stop blaming the French and above all stop generalizing. The springboks and all blacks also fought this week-end and I don't see you calling them cunts...

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matt_drinks_new July 06, 2008 11:40 pm

Tom, If you were Horwill would you have just let Moore get dragged around by the two French players?Team-mates break up a fight. As for Harinordoquy, it was all handbags until he decided to be an idiot - plain and simple. No defence for throwing haymakers like that.He will enjoy his time on the sideline

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No.7 July 06, 2008 11:59 pm

Lol i like the way mortlock said "he was trying to break it up" and then the ref said "im not saying he did or didnt......penalty is against him" Well...im not to well read on the fine points of the rules, but doesnt a player have to do something to actually be penalised....and if Horwill didnt do anything ("not saying he did or didnt") then how can he be penalised.......nice shiner though!!!

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No.7 July 07, 2008 12:02 am

Ah, nevermind, just read the inciting a brawl comment in the original post.....

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Rockylamontagne July 07, 2008 12:08 am

I didn't spot the props punch until the slo-mo at the end, that's nasty. You've got to feel sorry for Mortlock and Horwill then, similar to the clip a few weeks back of a punch thrown in league, the captain just can't believe the penalty is against his team. It would have been nice to see some revenge from Mortlock ala Thomas/Barnes, is that clip around anywhere by the way? It keeps getting taken down.

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alasdair July 07, 2008 12:29 am

"He really does look like something resembling Frankenstein or some other horror movie character in that pic." before or after the incident? ^^

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alasdair July 07, 2008 12:29 am

"He really does look like something resembling Frankenstein or some other horror movie character in that pic." before or after the incident? ^^

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Anonymous July 07, 2008 5:13 am

That's just fucking dispicable from the French. Idiots do that cheap shit in their rugby comps and now they wanna bring it to the international game. What a disgrace

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Arnaud July 07, 2008 6:57 am

In France it happens sometimes. This team was young so please, excuse them. Of course Harinordoquy should have shown the example.But it's stupid to say french players are going to export fighs everywhere in the world.I feel sorry for Horwill. But perhaps without his terrorizing face, french players woudln't panic...

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Chazza July 07, 2008 8:30 am

the ref n ths game sucked, as well as the tr natons opener ref. dd you guys see that the whole french team was n on t and there was onely eght ausses and we stll whopped them lol, one of my frends was lke dont ht mortlock on the head ts sold ttanum beacuse hes a cyborg lol

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818 July 07, 2008 9:07 am

Harinordoquy's an idiot. All he seems to do is spout arrogant crap about opponents (usually in the past the English) or just make a fool of himself. Can anyone tell me of any moments where he's done something really great?

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TheFullback July 07, 2008 9:38 am

I have a feeling that French players with more experience and international caps wouldn't have gotten involved in somthing like that. I know Harinordoquy has been around a while, but he probably has more caps himself than the rest of the team put together.

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alasdair July 07, 2008 9:54 am

What are you talking about? the aussies came rushing in, but didn't do a thing. I mean they just stood there.

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Rancid July 07, 2008 9:59 am

What's with all the anti-French comments? Sure they fight in their domestic leagues, they love an old biff there. But don't imply they're exporting it to the internationals because they aren't. This is the first time i've seen the French team fighting in a while. And as others pointed out, little biffs and incidents have happened in other games.The difference is again the hypocrisy of refereeing and viewer opinions on the back of the RESULT of the incident.Because a brawl broke out and one of the players got busted up quite bad, it's a big deal, a disgraceful act, by the bloody dirty frogs.Yet had this happened and there wasn't a big punch landed, and nobodies eye was split open, nobody would have payed the incident any mind.It happens all the time in rugby and it's boring me. Where's the consistancy. Incidents and players need punishing on their actions, not the result of their actions.

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Anonymous July 07, 2008 11:48 am

I love RugbyDump for all the beautifull videos i can see ... but each time i'm sad to see an anti-french spirit here and very frustrating to read "French Cunts" and other bad words like that...you could be objective!!! Not to excuse Harinordoquy (i don't), but to assert there is some stupid guys (french, aussies, etc.) and very good and talented guys (french, aussies, etc.)Thanks for all the beautifull rugby lovers from all around the world!

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Flooz July 07, 2008 11:52 am

i'm agree with arnaud, this french team was young and without experience, but harinordoquy should have give the example.Imanol seems to follow olivier magne habits, very talentuous but sometimes unnecessarly violent.and, finally,please don't treat french or any others to be "cunts"curious blog habits...

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minstrel boy July 07, 2008 12:20 pm

he got what he bargained for

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felix July 07, 2008 1:00 pm

it difficutl with brawls like this because if the ref actually gave out the punishments that everyone deserved by the letter of the law then they'd have to finish the game playing sevens. so instead of carding everyone involved, the ref just doesn't card anyone. and i really can't emphasise enough how stupid you must be to bring your unwelcome rasist comments onto this site. No one wants to hear your ignorance. keep it to yourself chris and 'anonymous'.

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bert July 07, 2008 1:07 pm

As a Frenchman, I find this kind of behaviour an absolute disgrace. We have had a lot of problems with fighting in our domestic leagues lately, notably on the part of Biarritz players...Harinordoquy, Thion, Couzinet...I don't understand why those people still get selections. Anyway it has got to stop and I would support a longer suspension. I don't understand the point of those summer tours anymore, either. Isn't it possible to wait two more weeks to let us have our best team available? While France played australia, Toulouse played Clermont in an amazing final, with great rugby and NO fights. That is the way French rugby is supposed to be and the australian public is entitled to see it as well. IRB please do something about it. Now about the "cunt" commentary. I find bigotry and racism even more disgraceful than fighting. It's easy popping hateful comments behind a computer screen, I could do it too...what about some nice convict jokes? Ring a bell? But no, I won't. This is not a youtube message board, this is a civilized blog about the greatest game in the world and let's keep it that way.Now Chris if that's really the way you feel, why don't you go tell your opinion to the face of some respectable french forward (Betsen, Milloud, Nallet, Chabal). Sound fun?

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stephanie July 07, 2008 1:09 pm

stuart barnes is a bit of a twat but hes summarised this guy pretty well before - nicknaming him Harinordonkey. before everyone goes crazy, if you listen to the video the commentators also say Elsoms throwing the punches, and you can say so many punches being thrown by different players, aussies and french. im sure when they threw these punches they all aimed to hurt their opponents, its just Harinordoquy made contact. all these guys were involved, and i think the commentators said mortlock was laughing at his eye.this stuff happens, dont be so soft about it rugby players are all tough guys, especially no need to start racially abusing the french.

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Chazza July 07, 2008 1:34 pm

so true stephane no need for racal abuse even though m an ausse dsagree wth t entrely

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Rancid July 07, 2008 1:41 pm

Could i point out while i sided with the French against the distasteful 'French-Bashing'NOBODY IS BEING FUCKING RACIST! I wish you overly politically correct imbeciles would learn the meaning of the bloody word.There is a big difference between race and nationality!Racism? Never have i heard such bollocks in all my life.

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Anonymous July 07, 2008 2:58 pm

FOR RANCIDI don't want to do a polemic blog ... i prefer to talk about rugby, but do you prefer:"xenophobe" like BLOODY WORD (the difference is slight, it's just stupid ideas)

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Arnaud July 07, 2008 3:48 pm

Horwill is not dead. Horwill will probably play the trinations (i didn't hear he had something broken).So all is ok. It was jus on hit. Nothing comparable with O'gara when playing with the lions.

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Rancid July 07, 2008 5:47 pm

anonymous.The difference isn't slight. The difference is massive.You people need to stop comparing and claiming everything as racist. Race is not defined by geographic boundaries.You're about as bad as the homosexuals who compare their 'struggle' to that of people at the recieving end of racism.Racism is a big deal. Comments about a country or countries people, well, it isn't.Anyway this isn't for here. Chris is a twat. But that's as far as it goes. He isn't racist, he's just a twat.

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stephanie July 07, 2008 6:32 pm

Rancid, your completely wrong.racism is discriminating against somebody based on their racial group. when you say that race isnt defined by geographical boundaries does it mean it would then be ok for somebody to say for instance, i hate everyone from africa? no it obviously wouldnt but your obviously one of these people whos been taught the wrong thing and decided racism cant happen against white people or in this case european countries.we dont know where chris, the guy who made these comments, comes from but it doesnt matter, by saying what he said hes implying the fact that they are french has involvement in them being in his eyes 'c**ts', which is generalisation, discrimination and racism, as the gallic people are in fact a race. your rant about homosexuals and belittling their struggle tells us all we need to know, which is that your a silly bigot. you obviously are homophobic, otherwise you would realise homophobia is one of the biggest prejudcices alive today and along with sexism is still acceptable. go and put your pathetic views somewhere else, because im glad to say the rugby community, especially on here are a liberal bunch and any discrimination is always discouraged.well done everyone else

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Ave88 July 07, 2008 7:15 pm

That was an awefull match anyway, the French players looking like amateurs compared to the aussies. Pointless test matchs...when Australia comes to France in November and when we get our 1st team out, the game will look completely different I'll tell you that. I reckon we can beat the aussies if we got Heymans, Clerc, Jauzion, Michalak, Medard and Fritz in it.

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Anonymous July 07, 2008 7:30 pm

what a cheap shot number 3 @ 00:38. . . . that annoyed my watching, i enjoy rugby and dont mind the odd scrap but cheap shots like that are just so amnoying to see...

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stephanie July 07, 2008 8:40 pm

agreed ave88, and controversial as it may be, you might have nalaga in the team soon, that will be a formidable back line for sure!

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el nino July 07, 2008 8:42 pm

jesus christ it seems now-a-days i cnt come on2 my fav blog on the web without ppl fireing racial slurs @ each other :@annoying much

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stephanie July 07, 2008 9:16 pm

its better than nothing being said,the off topic arguments wouldnt happen if comments werent made in the first place

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Shaft July 07, 2008 9:23 pm

Nah Stephanie I disagree. You really think you're going to change the world by making your point here and telling someone off? Not going to happen, especially as you're more than likely dealing with a few random youngsters who don't have the maturity or respect to behave like an adult on a seemingly well respected website. And I don't think calling a Frenchman a c*nt is racist. It's wrong yes, and there's no place for it, but it's not quite a racial attack. Calling someone a coloured/black/white c*nt, to me, that's racist. I think that's the point Rancid was trying to make.

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stephanie July 07, 2008 9:57 pm

firstly thats pretty hypocritical, seeing as you complain about me giving a view, then straight away adding your comments, the stupidity of thats obviously lost though. the world isnt going to change on the rugby dump blog in all honesty, am i aware of this. if we all had your apathetic attitude though these blogs would be outlets for people to argue about things completely unrelated to rugby. when these comments are made they are immediately frowned upon by everyone else, which discourages the person doing it and allows the main discussion to be rugby. ok so heres an example to you, if we had a clip of the asian 5 nations, and saudi arabia were playing in it. some guy comes on and goes that teams shit, just a bunch of arab c*nts. that is exactly the same situation as this arabs are from saudi arabia, french are from france, no excuses of oh well thats different because its not. nobody would except the example i put forward, yet for some reason it seems fine to do exactly the same thing, as long as they a european race we are discriminating its ok for you.just because the words black, white or anything like that arent used doesnt mean its not racist, it still is its just directed at a certain race of people from a certain area and doesnt as obviously target their skin colour. black and white people can be classed as a group, just as the french and the arabs can be placed as a group.

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Shaft July 07, 2008 10:20 pm

Aaw you know what Stephanie, you're nothing but misery. Honestly, since you started commenting on here with that Calum Clark vid, you've done nothing but moan and look for trouble and an argument with everyone. So stubborn, so narrow minded, and so aggressive. I have to say, you give the female rugby fan a great name btw. Now back to the video, and I hope and request that RD deletes the majority of these pointless and off topic comments.

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Shaft July 07, 2008 10:21 pm

But on the bright side, at least we're not arguing about racism anymore... or is it now sexism.. hmmm, we'll find out soon I'm sure. :)

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stephanie July 07, 2008 10:29 pm

if you looked up a few comments you would see iv tried to make constructive comments about the future french team. i argued with chazza the first time on here because of comments he made to me, hes a 13 year old kid and he apologised. if i was looking for arguments i would hold a grudge, i recently support him on something and to be honest he and acts more like an adult than people like you. the only problem is people like you constantly want to argue with me. its unbelievable you complain about me yet your always the person trying to shout me down, your just a silly little hypocrit. its amazing how im moaning about racism, its surely the correct thing to do to point it out, obviously not in your book though.ye you know what the fact that i dont take any crap off people like you really does let the reputation of female fans down, i should do the womanly thing and just let you men run the show. you came on here trying to excuse racism, you obviously dont like the fact i have an opinion, yet im sure if i was a boy you wouldnt mind so much. your just a little bigot really, dont make comments if you cant handle it

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stephanie July 07, 2008 10:32 pm

shaft, what a name summarises what you are really, are you bitter and trying to take it off topic because the argument i made was logical? you mention sexism....theres only one reason you would do that, obviously its annoying you im a girl. thats just sad.

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felix July 07, 2008 10:41 pm

Stephanie i applaud you. shaft, calling a fenchman a c*nt is not racist, it's just offensive but if you make links between the two and suggest a causal relationship then you are being racist. and we're not trying to change the world, we're just trying to show that hateful prejudice whether it be racism, sexism or homophobia, isn't welcome on rugbydump.

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Shaft July 07, 2008 10:54 pm

Steph, you're way too intense. Not sure I can deal with it. You seem to aggressively argue every point so hard that there's no real need for me to try discuss it any further. No point as things will get ugly and childish, if they haven't already. And no I'm not black if that's what you were getting at. Felix, agreed, that's why I've said repeatedly that it's wrong. I just don't think it should be called racism that's all, and if you read the very first comment I made, about 8 comments from the top, you'll see that I myself told the offender in question off. I just don't see a white man calling another white man a c*nt as racist. Sorry. :)

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felix July 07, 2008 10:59 pm

haha john shaft would sort this out no probs. interesting that you assert that chris is white though and you're sure enough to posit that he is refering to another white person. the trouble me and stephanie has is that his remark seemed to suggest that all french people by their french nature are defined as c*nts. shaft, our argument may come down to semantics on this point but you shouldn't be bringing stephanie's gender into it either. i thought you just wanted to talk about rugby?

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stephanie July 07, 2008 11:08 pm

thanks felix, my point was that he wasnt calling a frenchman a c*nt, he was saying french c*nt, imo that makes it different because its association with race but ye some think it is some think its not, as long as people arent happy for it to be said then i suppose thats the main thing!shaft, i honestly dont understand why you just did that, you obviously look for an argument, i give you valid points to mine and you still make it personal and obviously try and wind me up then you claim a moral high ground. by the way i never said that you were black, how can anyone know what anyone on here is we only use screen names, thats why your assumption that it was a white man abusing a white racial group annoys me, you dont know. my example about the difference if arab was used was to show what i mean and the principles of it. its strange how you go from basically supporting the more racial or whatever side of the argument you want to call it, then when another blogger makes a comment you suddenly change your tone.

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Shaft July 07, 2008 11:15 pm

Well, fair enough, I knew someone would say that Felix. lolBut hey, the Frenchmen who were doing the punching, who I'd say 99% were who he was referring to, were white. And my point.. once again, is being French a race? Or is being white, black or other a race? Stephanie, if I've changed my tone it's because I happen to have respect for Felix who more often than not is a peaceful commenter (not blogger). You on the other hand got aggressive when I disagreed with you. And what do you mean about me supporting the racial side of things? AAAH okay now I understand your comment about the name I use.. 'summarises that I'm a c*ck?' Nice one there. Classy. I actually thought you were insinuating I'm black cos of the character 'Shaft', but hey I guess not.

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stephanie July 07, 2008 11:24 pm

i dont actually want to go on to the sexism debate here but i think that your tone changed because a man, if the name is correct, supported my views. im not saying you necessarily completely hate women because i dont know you, but it seems you dont like me being a woman but arguing like a man, although i hope thats not the case. secondly i didnt know you were a professional commentator!the point of me getting aggressive when you supposedly disagreed with me. you told me i think i can change the world, which is patronising, and then said its probably a kid or something so really its ok. that attitude is just crazy, but i didnt make any personal comments towards you.the first personal insult was delivered by you, saying i was narrow mind, aggressive etc because i didnt conform to your view, even though many other people didnt i guess i was the special case that got your attention, i wonder why!you then taunted me with the racism turning into sexism comments, clearly because you think both things are not really big issues. your general arrogance also annoyed me, so overall i thought your screen name was ironic. no i wouldnt insinuate you were black because of your screen name, that would pretty stupid just to make that assumption, shame you dont stop and think about things before you make yours

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felix July 07, 2008 11:32 pm

yeah peace and love shaft. i'm all about it. stephanie how do you know i'm a man...you know what they say about about the word assume.

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Shaft July 07, 2008 11:40 pm

I'm lost for words. Too late to argue for the sake of arguing. Pat yourself on the back, I have no retort. Goodnight.

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stephanie July 07, 2008 11:42 pm

felix is a name usually taken by men, although there may be some female felix's out there i just dont know! to quote my previous comment,' your tone changed because a man, if the name is correct, supported my views'. or you could be a woman disguising yourself with the name, i just dont know. but you cant catch me out with your assumption comments, i said if the names correct!

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felix July 08, 2008 12:27 am

yeah i was just messing around. trying to lighten the mood. i'm a man. and quite a fine specimen.

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Arnaud July 08, 2008 8:31 am

Stephanie, please stop. You're acting like a child and what you say is no more constructive and totally out of range.Thanx.

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Potioc July 08, 2008 8:51 am

Bien fait pour sa gueule !French sensation !!

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stephanie July 08, 2008 10:06 am

haha thats good to know felix!Arnaud, people like you are the reason i constantly have to argue my side, its got nothing to do with you yet you decide to add your comments, even though the debate your complaining about has ended. if you have read all the comments which you probably havent, you would see i was trying to do the right thing, then told to stop by shaft, then he personally insulted me so i defended myself.the reason it is out of range of the main topic rugby is to stop stupid comments altogether, you obviously dont care about that though.

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Shaft July 08, 2008 10:31 am

The funniest thing about all of this is that until seeing this vid, with the replay like that, I didn't realise it wasn't actually Harinordoquy that connected with the punch. Commentators also missed it obviously, so well done by the citing commission to pick it up.

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Arnaud July 08, 2008 11:48 am

Stephanie, these conversation only interest you and shaft and perhaps some other people. Exchange private mail. It will be better for everybody.Cheers.

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El Nino July 08, 2008 11:50 am

shaft........im on ur side in this arguement !

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stephanie July 08, 2008 12:04 pm

the reason me and a few other people made comments in the first place was to stop people on HERE making racial or discriminatory comments. if you think that those things are ok and should be ignored then thats crazy. surprise surprise though, the personal comments soon started occuring from the person it seems your supporting, so if it starts on here it has every right to stay on here. your all so hypocritical, every time your commenting on this your dragging it away from the rugby and provoking arguments, something which you keep moaning about although that irony is seemingly lost on you. if nobody said anything about the negative comments made, there would be so many on here it would just become an excuse for people to abuse each other, through whichever means yet they are discouraged because people say it is wrong. then people like you, shaft and el nino basically condone it, so good work!

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Stevus July 08, 2008 12:39 pm

Stephanie, while the majority of people on here dont condone racist or discriminatory comments, those that do arent going to be stopped by you making a fuss about it. The rugby dump administrators delete any comments they feel are needlessly offensive or insulting. If you have something to say about it then say it and leave it at that, dont engage in pointless roundabout arguements. YOu're complaining about hypocrites moaning at you and therefore taking the focus away from the rugby but if you find that to be such a problem why dont you be the mature one and stop replying to frankly weightless 'insults' made by people who are feeling brave from behind their keyboards. The reason for this comment feature, and the reason I use it, is to get other rugby fans views on the particular video clip. I dont want to have to sift through endless comments by you and others who are having a pointless slagging match over a disagreement which at the end of the day hinges only on a difference of opinion. Its not your job to police this site, if somebody says something you object to then by all means make a protest but dont continue into a big endless argument. In my opinion Arnaud is quite right, you obviously have a problem now with several other users with whom you are continually fighting, so take it away from this site. You are ruining it for those of us, like myself, who wish to comment on entertaining rugby clips.And no I dont condone insults but everyone is entitled to their opinion and who are you to tell somebody that their personal opinion is wrong.

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Rugbydump July 08, 2008 1:24 pm

Well said Stevus, now lets have this end now please, or commenting on this particular post will be disabled. Understand that we can't spot everything, so if we miss something, apologies. You guys/girls are wasting our time though. Having to try moderating all of this is a pain. Please keep comments targeted towards the videos in future, and if you have a major problem, drop us an email. thanks!

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Ben J July 08, 2008 5:19 pm

Harinordoquy threw 13 punches at Horwill's eye,that's a new record about repeatable punching,Boyoud on the other hand was worse,he only threw one punch but it was a stray haymaker!.Look for Boyoud (number 3)on the bottom left on 39 seconds what really started it!.

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El Nino July 08, 2008 5:28 pm

Stevus.......thanku stephanie u shud jus keep ur opinions 2 urself unless there rugby relatedthanku :D

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Rancid July 08, 2008 6:08 pm

Steph, you are a complete pseudo-intellectual.You are clueless to reality.It's obvious YOU have a chip on your shoulder. Your constant repeating to anyone who disagrees with your innacurate definition of race about racism being acceptable towards 'Europeans' proves this point.Again you fail miserably on your Arab point. The fact is Chris has a problem against French people, the nation of people, not the ethnicity(lets get that right too, you're obviously confused as to English)Fair enough if he meant what he said in a racist way, but he DIDN'T. You cannot just blur the fucking lines between nationality and race just to suit your uneducated and mildly retarded views.The fact you've dragged this on and dug yourself such a hole is laughable. Would have been easier to concede you were wrong in claiming him as racist.If you'd like to carry the debate on, i'd be happy to have a verbal joust with you on the RD Forum. Where it's more organised and i can think straight. I would happily destroy your pseudo-arguments and interpretations of the English language into pieces.

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felix July 08, 2008 6:43 pm

ok before comments get disabled i'd just like to add that racism is bad because it is borne out of ignorance. you basically have to be stupid to generalise a characteristic to an entire race i.e. you see one black guy arrested, you assume they are all criminals. ridiculous. generalising about the french is just as unacceptable and shows just as much ignorance and stupidity. afterall the english all come from france anyway - william the conqueror 1066 etc.we are all one people. i've even learned to love south africans - thanks to it's greatest accomplishment 'rugbydump'. But i wish they'd do something about that mugabe.am i getting too far from the topic of rugby for anyone?

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stephanie July 08, 2008 9:38 pm

rancid, heres something for you to read:According to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."According to British law, racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"both of these state racism can occur when national origin is mentioned, so for those people being ignorant, you dont have to say black, white etc to be racist.when stevus commented i thought great another person arguing against me but he is right, this is ridiculous a long time ago we should all have just said this is crazy this should be done with. sorry that i had to add that stuff above, just thought i should give rancid some proof that as much as he swears, yes you can blur the lines between nationality and race. if you did anything with your spare time except read the ku klux klan manifesto you would know this. ok honestly guys im done now, sorry i dragged this on i just cant tolerant the ignorance of some of these guys

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Anonymous July 08, 2008 10:00 pm

don't quit now guys. how many rugby websites quote UN Conventions. we're breaking new ground here... think where this could go. i wonder if Ban Ki-Moon spends much time on rugbydump?

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felix July 08, 2008 10:01 pm

sorry forgot to put my name! don't delete me!

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Ban Ki-Moon July 08, 2008 10:02 pm

yeah i've had a think and i reckon stephanie and rancid both need to chill out a bit. the remarks were a bit on the racist side but it could've been worse.

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Koffie Anan July 08, 2008 10:02 pm

well said old boy, how's the new job working out for you anyway?

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Ban Ki-Moon July 08, 2008 10:04 pm

pretty sweet thanks Kof. i'm in japan at the moment but i'm having a bbq next week. you should come over.

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Koffie Anan July 08, 2008 10:04 pm

choice!

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stephanie July 08, 2008 10:09 pm

hahahahaha!!sorry felix i know we have travelled far from harinordoquy to the UN, but if your gonna quote anything they are the place to go to!would you say that UN evidence will be enough to end this argument, maybe we could get some counter quotes from the african union summit? Mugabes one liners are usually pretty interesting

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Bob Mugabe July 08, 2008 10:33 pm

Damn British. Always getting involved in my business.

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Ian July 09, 2008 12:00 am

.....rugby dump puts a warning and still the arguments continue...thats survival of the fittest right there!This video is pretty intense, whenever fights break out, you always see daft punches being thrown but nothing really connected (as the commentator said) masssssive eye though!!I've had a similar massive black eye which left my eye closed (got kneed on the eyebrow)....cant say it hurt, but foook me it was wierd not being able to see!....then i had the obvious insults that came along and not to mention i didnt go out after the game..pulling power is severly reduced when it looks like a breast surgeon put the implant in the wrong place!

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Anonymous July 09, 2008 12:21 am

For my part, I think there is no debate on what happened!! Seriously it's just a fight in a rugby game. It belong to rugby's spirit. When viloence stay on the field there is no problem and no debate.When Iread that somebody say that players who fight easily must be banned of the national selestion it's simply ridiculous.For all anti-french, french players aren't more violent than others it's pure stupidity. And to finish If I have been on the field I would have do the same even worst than what Harinordoquy and Boyoud did.Un supporter Franais.

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Rancid July 09, 2008 4:52 pm

Felix. How are the English all from France? What aload of uneducated bollocks. Pick up a book.And Stephanie, i don't care for the UN or British law. You silly little girl.The dictionary > The opinions of murderering scumbags.The UN are a disgrace. As is British law.racism Audio Help /reszm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciationnoun1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.There you go. Straight from the dictionary! Not from the mouths of corruption. How the fuck are you going to argue with that? Are you trying to tell me the UN holds more weight than the actual dictionary?And how you can accuse me of racism for being literate, and understanding that disliking a nation of people doesn't make you racist i don't fucking know.If you had a memory longer than 3 minutes you might recall it was me who initially defended the French.Grow the fuck up, and pick up a book while you're there.Anyone who quotes the UN is a joke. Get back to your Bush and Brown shrine, you disgust me.

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stephanie July 09, 2008 5:17 pm

haha wow arent you the rebel, ye we probably should ignore the definition of the largest peace keeping organisation in the world represented by a variety of members across the world, they probably dont know what they are talking about. ye right. and ye i suppose British law is also completely wrong, i mean what do they know about legisation of laws etc in comparison to you?all you have done is gone into the dictionary and tried to take the smallest snippet of what has been said in the hope people will believe you. yes that is its most basic definition, but try and find something in this special dictionary of yours which says racism only can only happen when skin colour is mentioned, and source that. last time i checked the UN and British government, regardless how what they may do, dont completely make up laws or terms. i suspect the team that work for these groups who are probably the best lawyers, anthropologists etc are slightly more qualified than you and your my first dictionary set. i suppose you thought it would be rebellious to mention bush aswell, even though he has no relation to the UN. he ignores them the majority of the time, although im sure you knew that didnt you. funny how you go from belittling racism and homophobia and basically moaning about 'liberalism' which most people refer to as basic civil rights and equality, then decide that you hate bush, the man that actually fits your persona pretty well. by the way swearing doesnt give your argument any leverage it just makes you look like an 8 year old who learned a new word in the playground, although an 8 year old probably can use more words than just that, unlike you, possibly one of the stupidest people iv ever encountered.

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EL nINO July 09, 2008 7:05 pm

stephanie i really do h8 u uve actually ruined comments on RD 4 me :(and asif u brought sexism in2 the equation :@i dont even wana say anything 2 u cus u'll jus twist it completely outta context :@

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stephanie July 09, 2008 7:49 pm

dont wanna say anything - dont then genius.i havent mentioned sexism apart from the times its obviously made, its just people like you keep bringing it up cos its an obvious issue! if people like you stopped making comments against me it would end but you dont so dont complain

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felix July 09, 2008 8:52 pm

oh dear rancid, you've just given everyone the rope to hang you with. you've sounded reasonably intelligent until now but all that swearing shows a clear sign of frustration over the inadequacy of your intellect which is plainly struggling to keep up. A. The English are one of the most mongrel races in the world. The British isles have been successfully invaded on several occasions, each leading to major changes in culture, language, heritage etc. the one i mentioned (which you ignored) was the Norman conquest of 1066 by Guillame le Conquerant. there is an idiots guide (which seems particularly appropriate for you) on wikipedia.B. corrupt or not i think you could argue without much research that the UN has a fair bit more sway on the world than the english dictionary. C. funny, you go on about picking up books when you've clearly just cut and paste your reference from dictionary.com. anyway 'your' definition mentions hatred or intolerance of another race or races. you are trying to distinguish between race and nationality. this is not possible. you are WRONG they are inextricably linked. if it makes you happy lets 'pick up' your dictionary:race1 Audio Help /res/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reys] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, raced, racing.noun1.a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.2.a population so related.3.Anthropology.a.any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.c.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.4.a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.5.any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.6.the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.7.Zoology. a variety; subspecies.8.a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.9.any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.10.the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.if you are man enough to offer it i will now accept a retraction of your previous incorrect statements. and el nino deserves an apology too. he's so upset he's got himself in a muddle and he's blaming stephanie for your behaviour.

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Bert July 09, 2008 10:52 pm

The UN is sold out to the French anyway. Just as the British government and the dictionary. The only people who aren't are the IRB, obviously, since we aren't yet world champions.

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Rugbydump July 10, 2008 10:27 am

Stephanie & Rancid, any further comments from you on this post will be deleted. If you'd like to continue, Stephanie, join the forum where Rancid is already a member. http://forum.rugbydump.com

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aa July 10, 2008 1:52 pm

thank you rugbydump!!!!!!! shut them all up!! the comments should just be about the rugby!!! people above really need to get a life!! thats all ill say!about the game.......so one sided it wasent even funny! french getting frustrated because of the mauling they where getting so decided to have abit of argy bargy!! good punches but did deserve a ban!!! im afraid it is quite typical of the french leagues right now to see this type or brawl!

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Anonymous July 10, 2008 2:57 pm

that aussie brawler got owned

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Anonymous July 11, 2008 2:50 pm

A lot of punches were thrown by both sides, one happened to connect. It may be a darker side to rugby, but it is a part of the game regardless.Don't bother apportioning blame, because as a neutral it would be easy to find it falling at the feet of both teams.

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Anonymous July 31, 2008 4:22 am

Are you people for real? The French prop threw a haymaker at Horwill from behind while he was being held by another player. Harinordiquay was bad but he didn't do the real damage. Low act by the French prop. You can see it at the end in the slo-mo.

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