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Saturday, September 13, 2008

Toulon vs Stade Francais fight in the Top 14

Toulon vs Stade Francais fight in the Top 14

Tempers flared as Stade Francais consolidated their lead in the French Top 14 championship with a 19-13 victory at Toulon on Friday, with both teams playing the second half a man down.

Moments before half time a mass brawl broke out that had props Rodrigo Roncero of Stade Francais and David Banquet Toulon's getting red cards from ref Jean-Pierre Matheu.

Toulon were already a man down as Jerry Collins had been sin-binned in the 31st minute for stamping, which must have had something to do with the new look of the Stade Francais jersey.

Although the fight started in the front row, and they received the immediate punishment, it was Toulon's seasoned campaigner Norman Jordaan who landed a couple haymakers, knocking down two big guys in two seconds, something not often seen from a little number nine.

It was an ugly scene of mass chaos though, as both teams gave it a full go with little pods of brawls branching off, making it virtually impossible for the officials to regain immediate control.

The tension on the field boiling over was possibly a reflection of the feeling in the stands, as you could feel that something had to give. A few citings will no doubt be revealed in the next few days, which is unfortunate, because besides this crazy incident it was actually a really enjoyable match to watch.

"It was a complicated victory. Toulon made quite a few problems for us in the lineouts and our play in the loose was not precise. Without our good scrum and kicking performance, we would have been in even further difficulty" said Stade coach Christophe Dominici.

With the win, Stade Francais retain their hundred percent record after four matches, while Toulon left with a losing bonus point, and have yet to add to their solitary victory thus far in the season.

Time: 03:45

Posted by Rugbydump at 11:36 am | View Comments (51)

Posted in Big Hits & Dirty Play

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Fred.D September 13, 2008 6:33 pm

I think Norman Jordaan the 9 is in the wrong sport, 2 hits and 2 players on the floor - disgraceful yes but also impressive boxing!

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mendorugger September 07, 2011 5:10 pm

Harldy would call that boxing. Running around hitting fellas who are not looking cause they are breaking up the fight is nothing short of cowardly (#9). Thats the caliber of "tough" I would expect from NBA brawl. Anyone who would call this a good display of boxing Im certain would do the same. Stand toes with a man, give a few, maybe take a few, but no sucker punches.

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JB September 13, 2008 7:12 pm

Yeah I hope that rugby stays cleaner! Those footage show the wrong example of good sportsmanship.

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 7:12 pm

I'm french and I can tell you that the whole stade is swearing at Roncero after the brawl. "Roncro encul !" wihich means "Roncero fucker or asshole!". Not very smart from rugby supporters.

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Chris B September 13, 2008 7:44 pm

I certainly think the reds were justified in this incident, despite both props protesting "rouge??" A bit of argy bargy is a good way to relieve tension in a game and allow the game to settle down into good rugby, but to carry it on after its all been settled is just stupid. I hope im not the only one who feels that the number 9 deserves some form of heavy punishment for his role in the brawl, not only did he go looking for a scrap, he went looking for a scrap with players who werent involved and werent facing him, something which i consider completely against the gentlemanly notion of the sport. Very efficiently handled by the ref though, well done him.

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Shaft September 13, 2008 7:48 pm

Anyone know what the citing process is like in the Top 14?

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 8:06 pm

Toulon public say encul Roncero which means fucker Roncero! Toulon will never change...

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joshhh September 13, 2008 8:06 pm

hahahahnumber 9 for toulon is a beast!good job jerry didnt lose it too!

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 8:08 pm

2 head butts from the toulon prop i saw there!

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 8:19 pm

............i thought it was all part of french rugby

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 8:21 pm

"good job jerry didnt lose it too!" he wasnt on the pitch...

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Alasdair September 13, 2008 8:24 pm

toulon is one of the most right wing towns in France. U check that out with their rugby suporters!

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martin-offload September 13, 2008 8:39 pm

the scrum half is a nut. not really that great though, stupid brawl. on youtube their is 1 with english commentary

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Ed September 13, 2008 8:46 pm

That number 9 did well for himself getting 3 down in 3 attempts, man of the match to him.

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mise September 13, 2008 8:54 pm

what is gerry collins doing playing with that team? he could have gone to munster. He could have gone anywhere. So what if tama's there.

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 9:48 pm

i thought that this was really immature.. and toulons scrum half acted like an idiot, i mean come on. you don't do this? he should've been sent off as well.

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no 9 September 13, 2008 9:58 pm

lol thats amazing a number 9 ko'ing 2 folk quality

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 10:03 pm

French rugby is a disgrace. all too often are the french leagues riddled with mass brawls and poor composure when the intensity heightens. people may say some biff is a good thing but at this level with fights of that magnitude its just ugly.

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Eric September 13, 2008 10:32 pm

Well, scrummies have to be agressive and moody, but thats just too much LoL...

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Anonymous September 13, 2008 11:34 pm

European rugby it's the best of all. They fight because got blood, the argys are latins same the french, its about passion, defensse yourself against other agression,

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boomshanka September 14, 2008 12:18 am

I like my team channeling their 'passion' with the ball in hand, over the try-line. Not with fists.+ ABs - w00t .

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Benson September 14, 2008 12:19 am

We all know it's wrong, but there would be more bums on seats if this happened more often ;)

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jeff l September 14, 2008 12:56 am

awesome, should happen way more often

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Anonymous September 14, 2008 3:29 am

well, the fight was disgraceful, but the match was actually pretty good. IMO, Toulon were robbed. If you watched the match u know what I mean.

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Anonymous September 14, 2008 3:45 am

man of the match:number 9 - friggin beast

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blurb September 14, 2008 6:43 am

Toulon were not robbed, sure the parisiens played a rather boring strategy of drop kicking everthing.But each time toulon had a good chance of a try they got a penalty against them for stamping or some other stupid foul. As for the brawl: Toulon have always been known for the agressivity of their team and supporters. The only time i ever saw a fight inbetween supporters was at toulon for a friendly!!! against narbone.Love the way roncero falls over withs his legs and arms in the air.And am i the only one to think that jerry collins's booking was a bit harsh?

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MadDog September 14, 2008 9:33 am

If Matfield quit from Toulon saying there is too violence unjustified in french rugby, it's emblematical!

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MPC-33 September 14, 2008 10:46 am

I'm french, sorry for my poor english.I feel myself ashamed with such events. French rugby is going worse every year, following soccer way...First, money arrives, then foreign players because clubs wanna win immediatly and they don't want to "waste" time to bring young french players (how many french high level props is there today ? None, except some old dinausors). Then again guys like Guazzinni (i don't care how to write it) and Boudjellal came. They're putting so much pressure on players and coachs, that they're becoming nervous cause they know that they can be fired at every moment if they fail to win a match. Boudjellal and others like him are also opening too much their mouth in the medias, saying shit every time they can, to bring new fans in their stadium; gays, hooligans and others. Concerning Toulon supporters, i can't understand that people like that come to see a rugby match, they are in the wrong stadium. They're assholes, they're even worse that many soccer supporters. What's next, supporters or plyers attacking the referee ? Just wait for a while...I'm afraid that it's the way that Northern Hemisphere rugby will work in the futur, a copy of soccer : big money, no formation, big clubs who comes before national duty, and big bastards who think that the world is their and taht everything can be done with money.Toulon, Stade Franais (specially created for Parisian gays who loves watching rugbymen) are a shame for the entire rugby. I have no illusion with any kind of sanction, money is working...Let's hope SH will continu to show the example ( and to provide enough players to permit every club in the world to be composed only by SH rugbymen) for a while...I wish Umaga and Collins (shame to leave NZ like that) started to understand in what shit they are now...But the end of our beloved sport ethic is comingOh fuck :Go AB's, go honnest clubs like Montauban, Bourgoin, Mont-de-Marsan and Dax !

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piaruskov September 14, 2008 10:50 am

I don't really know what to think of this brawl..On one hand I can't help siding with any team who is against stade franais (not only for the team in itself but also for their fucking gay calendar and the jersey that goes with it) but on the other I wonder why most of toulon players look like they belong to a boxing scene in the movie snatch. But no matter what you think of such scraps in rugby game, all this does not really look professional..

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Sean September 14, 2008 10:58 am

sorry its hard to concentrate on the fighting when I'm being distracted by the vibrant colours of the Stade jersey - I wonder can you buy it in any shops near me? after all, wearing that on a rugby pitch is going to get a reaction - perhaps the Toulon player is a bit offended by being beaten by a bunch of men wearing pink? just a theory. but seriously, the french need to do something about this to try and stamp it out. One thing though, since this is so common in french rugby, why do their players behave much more amicably when on international duty or in Heineken cup action?

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samitarugby September 14, 2008 11:17 am

it is all part of french rugby tradition! but still its not justified behavior for the sport.

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Donnacha September 14, 2008 11:35 am

Come on, it wasn't serious, no one got hurt... just a bit of excitement for the fans. Its always happening in French Rugby and the fans LOVE it!As for the whole Stade jersey, and Gay calendar thing, its all a joke.Rugby is the dominant sport in the south of France and they have always joked that Paris is a gay city and that Stade are a gay team. So for the laugh Stade brought in the Pink away jersey, and brought out a rather risk calendar. It has somewhat spiralled though with all three of their jerseys being really gay looking now.

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caucau's no.1 fan September 14, 2008 12:28 pm

whenever these videos come out stade always seem to be involved in fighting, but they should maybe think about quitting cos toulon OWNED them in that round. to the guy that said about toulon and it being a right wing town, there was this interview with the toulon owner and he said it is a nightmare sometimes cos the nationalist party always win the local elections there so having moroccan blood doesnt go down too well! obviously the toulon players follow after the city

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bD September 14, 2008 12:29 pm

donnacha they only have two jerseys this year. And anyways its been discussed before on this site-its for marketing. dont go digging up that conversation again please.......

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supertrooper September 14, 2008 2:05 pm

Donnacha you are dumb. It is known that the boss of stade francais is gay. And look what he does know he lets rugby players wear pink and pose in a calendar that was made for gays. MPC-33 speaks knowledge

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4Lc4TR4Z September 14, 2008 2:54 pm

Please stop your bullshits about the right wing. They lost the city 9 years ago and since they are less than 10% in Toulon, their lower national rate. Because now we know here they are just thieves and corrupted people.And it's true the ex-right wing mayor left france for marocco few years ago, probably to escape from some justice files... ! :D

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Anonymous September 14, 2008 3:47 pm

This just shows how crappy NH rugby is...they dont play they want to fight, how many times has there been fights in SUPER 14? Coz we play the game....

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FrankyH September 14, 2008 4:09 pm

Anonymous.. lame comment bro. Fellow SH man here, but disagree. You sound 14 years old & ignorant when you say that.

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f September 14, 2008 4:49 pm

i watched the whole match twice.. all i have to say, ref is too bias

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Anonymous September 14, 2008 5:24 pm

I don't mind the odd fight, infact i quite enjoy the occassional fisty cuffs.The french however do seem to have a knack for being a bit trigger happy so to speak. In that 2 players can't even have a slight disagreement without their team mates charging in swinging punches.To be honest though, can't complain at Stade getting knocked down a peg or two, several, infact.

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Pitseleh September 14, 2008 6:20 pm

"it was Toulon's seasoned campaigner Norman Jordaan who landed a couple haymakers, knocking down two big guys in two seconds, something not often seen from a little number nine."There's nothing glorious about hitting players who weren't implicated in the fight, really. He should have taken a red and yes, he chose the wrong sport. Football is for him.

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Anonymous September 14, 2008 7:02 pm

If you listen to the commentators, they're declaring: ''du grand Mayol'', meaning, that this so-called great club is a punching specialist with a great boxing hsitory. Jerry took the wrong destination. Moneymoneymoney... That will kill rugby.

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opfazonk September 14, 2008 7:22 pm

i don't know why, but this seems to be getting more and more business as usual in the top 14 - no matter if it is a french player involved or not... like a disease, infecting even those international stars in the top 14 :(

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Flooz September 14, 2008 10:02 pm

Roncero is often concerned in top14 brawls!furthermore, a brawl against toulon, in mayol, must happens..i remember a very sexy/brutal contest toulon vs beziers around 1991 with Champ against Simonmust be seen

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Ben September 15, 2008 4:03 pm

mpc-33, i respect you and think that france would be a worthy rugby nation if all french would think as you do I think NH rugby should taking an example of SH rugby for example the AB won 101 to 14 against samoa. If Samoa were a french team the red cards would be flying everywhere. I myself often play against french teams and it just seems that they cannot have a good time playing rugby without rugby

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ben September 15, 2008 4:05 pm

playing rugby without winning

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eldentisto September 17, 2008 3:23 pm

is the toulon scrum half a kung fu master, the way he unloads into a prop and flattens him with one right hand is like a young bruce lee!

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Cheyanqu September 17, 2008 4:41 pm

flooz,"very sexy/brutal contest"do you watch a lot of gladiator movies?

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Don September 18, 2008 12:36 am


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Anonymous September 19, 2008 10:16 am

South African Currie Cup scrum-halfs a-la Jordaan are bred tough!

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lalala September 19, 2009 4:18 am

What's the crowd chanting, anyone know?

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