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Carlos Spencer & Stephen Larkham fight


Jason Rutledge's great tryline defence


Jebb Sinclair red card for leading elbow


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Sunday, February 15, 2009

Wales overcome the threat of the English in Cardiff

Wales overcome the threat of the English in Cardiff

Reigning Six Nations champions Wales stayed on course for successive grand slams with a nail biting 23-15 victory over a much-improved England at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday.

England went into the match as underdogs but outscored Wales two tries to one, despite being down to 14 men after two sin-binnings.

But ultimately it was this indiscipline which cost England as Wales kicked six penalties through Stephen Jones and Leigh Halfpenny.

Halfpenny more than played his part with a successful 46 metre penalty and then by scoring Wales's only try, where the 20-year-old Cardiff winger's pace ensured a four-on-two overlap was not wasted.

"He's improving week to week," said coach Warren Gatland.

"He's a young kid and he's getting better and better."

England manager Martin Johnson, on the wrong side of the result, was convinced his team should have emerged from the heavyweight clash in Cardiff with a win.

"We let the match slip away. We had opportunities to win and we didn't take them," Johnson told BBC Sport.

Wales next face a crunch match in Paris against France.


Time: 05:11

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Matthew February 15, 2009 7:41 pm

Go on Wales. Win the next match for us. Exciting finish in the end. Fair play to the saes for keeping the score down

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Ben February 15, 2009 7:42 pm

thoughts on who will win the championship ??

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Lucus February 15, 2009 7:46 pm

As a Welshman ive got to admit that i was impressed with Englands performance!

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Anonymous February 15, 2009 8:11 pm

Well done wales

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Anonymous February 15, 2009 8:24 pm

I've been dissapointed with EVERYONES performance so far.I think maybe Wales can still pull off another Grand Slam... But definately every team is beatable on the day.

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Kerivoula February 15, 2009 8:54 pm

Agree with the above, this ain't a classic vintage this year in terms of quality, though that doesn't stop it form being entertaining.Congrats to the Welsh, but I thought England were unlucky. Their repetetive indiscipline in previous matches has lead to a heightened sensitivity to it by the refs. England's fault, but there were quite a few decisions which were marginal. Not often you can say that England won the try count and both were scored by outside backs...but still lost.Tournament is wide open. Can't write Ireland, Wales, France or (even) England off.But, for now, well done the Cymru

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Kerivoula February 15, 2009 8:56 pm

And what the **** was Worsley on? Monster performance to make the Welsh backs (which, let's face it, are better than England's) look very average...

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Anonymous February 15, 2009 9:12 pm

Lee Byrne not getting sent off probably cost england the game because not only did he set up the try he also set up goodes yellow, england may have won if he weren't there. good perfromance from england, whilst i will admit the welsh side are very good they won't get a grandslam. Next year i'm pretty sure england will dominate the welsh at twickenham. Powell and Roberts are good but when they were marked they weren't effective, its a good sign if you can be marked and still play well. Shane williams is better than habana in this respect as Habana hasnt been able to do anything since the world cup. Overall well done wales but ireland should win it, england should win it next year

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Anonymous February 15, 2009 9:55 pm

Are James Hook and Gavin Henson injured ?

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Honer February 15, 2009 10:05 pm

Hook was on the bench but henson is injuredi thought ian gough was a rock all game and the two welsh props made countless tackles.Im english and HATE losing to the welsh but i thought we did ourselves proud, ohh and worsley was immense.

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Luke James February 15, 2009 10:17 pm

was i dreaming or did i see toby flood as number 8 in the defensive scrums?

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HamishM February 15, 2009 10:54 pm

I think they did that so Worsley could sit in the centres and abuse poor Welsh backs...

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Anonymous February 15, 2009 11:07 pm

No vintage performances? lol The Ireland/France game and yesterdays match were great. The comments on here make me laugh, if there's a try fest it's shit defence. If the games are edgy and tight, they're negative.It's the same when there are try compilations posted, if the poster doesn't like a certain player, it's poor taclking to blame. If they love the player it's "OMG he's a monster/so fast blah blah".When Lomu ran over Mike Catt it was "WOW genius..." not "blah he should have wrapped up his legs" and 44 tries in this weekends opening Super 14 round courtesy of a ton of missed tackles and sloppy defending.Primary school mentality. Seletive.

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jamestheconvict February 16, 2009 12:52 am

boring boring game

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iceman! February 16, 2009 1:11 am

I thought it was a good game to watch, perhaps went to show that England do have some potential and that on their day can play some good rugby. They need to make sure they continue getting quick ball, and work on their discipline. That was the difference in a match that could have gone either way.Good to see some English players also putting their hands up for the lions. I think if Ellis continues on this form, he should tour at least. Philips was shackled throughout, whilst Ellis gave quick service and his quick thinking should have led to another Sackey try.

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themull February 16, 2009 2:04 am

Simple story is if England had of kept their discipline they would have won easily for they outscored Wales 3 tries to 1....Championship still open to England, Ireland, France or Wales...

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 2:21 am

What game were you watching "themull"? 3 tries to 1?

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 2:23 am

Don't watch it if you find it boring jamestheconvict. The President of the American Civil Liberties Union, Nadine Strossen, described Australia as a "global village idiot". If that's the case jamestheconvict should be leader.

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 2:34 am

Jamestheconvict clearly doesnt know rugby and is an arrogant up his own arse prick,The intensity of that game was brilliant

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cheyanqui February 16, 2009 3:51 am

Agree Kerivoula,It seems that ENG brought some baggage to the match regarding infringements. Generally referees are supposed to referee from a clean slate.But I guess it's ENG fault to not listen during the game. The PK against Vickery for binding was classic schoolboy stuff. Referee says "do THIS" (and he's standing in front of you) and you don't.. Well, you deserve a PK.I thought Worsley was solid defensively, in large part because so few folks even remotely shined.Delon Armitage was also quite solid. I thought the Welsh kicks "into (so-called" space" were ineffective, as Armitage was solidly under many of him.RD -- Hope you can get some clips from the USA 7s on here. If you can tell from my handle, I am a very happy man. Also gotta love Kenya beating the Kiwis, and driving the kiwis to foul play (love it when a minnow gets under a power's skin).

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cheyanqui February 16, 2009 3:55 am

Anonymous # 19,887,Given that you quote the head of the ACLU, she will also tell you that she stridently defends the right of the global village idiot to express themselves, no matter how idiotic said idiots statements might be.;)

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Jerry Seinfeld February 16, 2009 5:49 am

Jesus, some of you are quibbling tits. Jamestheconvict may be a shit-disturber and a loud-mouth, but he knows rugby. What's more, he's a rugby fan - as we all are.Get over it. We're all here because we enjoy watching rugby and rugby-related clips.--------That said, this was a so-so game. I was actually surprised...but I'm not sure by whom, Wales or England...England put up a fight. I don't really think they played 'worse' rugby than Wales, and there were many times where Wales should have capitalized on overloads against England, who tended to bunch up around rucks.I came into this thinking Wales was going to trump everyone, but it seems like they have their off-days, too - by that, I just mean that their win was unconvincing.Halfpenny is surely looking pretty promising, though.I do think Byrne was a little lucky there not to get a card, considering Cross was carded for a similar offense a week ago, only he paid two-fold for it.

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George Westinghouse February 16, 2009 6:02 am

Regarding the keenness of referees to look for indiscipline in the English breakdown tactics, I think it could be a similar ordeal for Australian scrums as well. The refs shouldn't come into the game targeting specific aspects of 'repeat offenders' playing styles, but I think they do. Oh well, c'est la vie.I agree about the 7's request (even though this isn't the request forum). I forgot about it until Cheyanqui mentioned something...would you look at that, the US moved up to 7th place.

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Happyskaman February 16, 2009 6:37 am

It's true that Wales wasn't convincing in their victory but you gotta admit the guys did play some really interesting rugby to watch. I haven't seen the ball come out of rucks this fast in a long time. I tought the welsh did play a better attack game and the english a better defense game. And if a teams commit fouls after fouls well you can't say they are having one of their best days. Really Wales played some clean and fast rugby which I prefer watching than english aerial ping-pong rugby.

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mat February 16, 2009 9:46 am

brian moore and people on here are calling for byrne to get binned, it was not a dangerous tackle, high pulled out, but still touched him in the air so its a penalty, but Delon landed on his feet not his head, a la Geherty last week for england.england are feeling sorry for themselves

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Kember February 16, 2009 11:17 am

I think people were harping on slightly too much about how good Wales are(not saying they're not good, they're just not THAT good) and England tend to put in a better performance when their backs are against the wall so I wasn't surprised by this result.Just hoping it's not a one off and that England truly are progressing like they bloody well should be by now...Regarding the 'English Ariel ping pong' well it's takes to to play ping pong so the other team must be just as guilty by continually kicking it back?

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welshno7 February 16, 2009 11:37 am

as a welsh man i take my hat off to some english individuals ,(joe worsley , delon armitage) worsley tackled for england and armitage attacked. but another really good performance from wales ,a few said last week that we need to improve the line out and yestereday we won 12/12 so thats just brilliant and i thought our defence was rock solid despite the communication breakdown which led to englands try's , overall very impressive performance from 1 -15 bring on the french!

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ScottB February 16, 2009 11:54 am

The ref was extremly biast imo, and yes it was a dangerous tackle which the welsh shouldn have been carded for. if you can get carded for undangerous play i.e slowing the ball down then you should defently get carded for a dangerous tackle. also its very debateable weather the welsh try was a forward pass or not? have a look see what you think. plus sackey got late tackled ref did nothing. all in all i think england played the better rugby and im very proud of them

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mat February 16, 2009 12:15 pm

very bitter comments from english supporters, argueing every decision the ref made, he followed the rules.the byrne tackle was NOT dangerous because he landed on his feet!!the welsh fans a praising the english game plan and good defensive homework on the welsh attack, not bemoaning that england slowed every ball or that M Williams try was not allowed.

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mat February 16, 2009 12:18 pm

also moore gave wordsley the MOM for his tackling when he wasnot even englands top tackler. i though Gethin jenkins had a good game in the front row, and the welsh locks, which people seem to agree. didn't even notice borthwick was on the pitch.

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No diff between Anon February 16, 2009 12:18 pm

I was there, gutted England couldn't quite do it but wow, talk about edge of the seat stuff.jamestheconvict isn't a rugby fan, a true fan would have enjoyed a high tempo brutal game like that (my gf from down under did).

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 12:23 pm

"ScottB said...The ref was extremly biast imo"What does biast mean?It's a good job the proper English fans I met at the stadium knew it was a good game and didn't talk shit like the armchair fans on here. Well done to Kaplan for stamping out the negativity early on, the game would have descended into a snorefest otherwise.

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themull February 16, 2009 12:23 pm

Anonymous said... What game were you watching "themull"? 3 tries to 1?Sorry i meant to say 2 tries to 1...my bad

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 12:36 pm

best match england have played in years,but the reason we won on penalties is because they stopped us scoring the tries illegally.the welsh set piece was awesome, but the defence was poor, as i thought most of the back play was.. definately not our best game, but we beat england playing the way they play, which we couldn't have done a couple of years ago, so well done wales!the referee had a good game i thought, 50 50, although i would have prefered to see a few more warnings to coming in from the side and lying offside (especially harry ellis, if that's the scrum half's name?) but at about 60 minutes + wales seemed to copy england and it seemed fair.. although that penalty against Ryan Jones was just unusual since england never rolled away.. 50/50.Good game, good ref, good result for wales and good play from england.You had to laugh at the end though, where austin healey and inverdale just chatted about how great england are sure to become and not about the Welsh victory.btw, jonno was such a bad loser after the match, goodbye his winning streak.

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 1:15 pm

bring on the welsh!

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 1:16 pm

how can you say lee byrne's 'tackle' on armitage did't deserve a yellow? Armitage landing on his feet does not make the tackle less dangerous. byrne was very lucky seeing as Geraghty and Cross got carded last week. despite being Welsh it really pisses me off when people abuse the english for being sore losers when they are just pointing out the obvious; the ref's decscisions did favour the home side

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thinktank February 16, 2009 1:22 pm

To Anonymous'that penalty against Ryan Jones was just unusual'Ryan Jones lay on the wrong side fiddling with the ball, slowing it down whilst pretending to roll away; he was lucky to escape a yellow as it was near his own try line, and dont slag off Johnson for being disapointed after the match, i bet you were pissed off yourself when Wales got turfed out of the world cup by Figi

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Kember February 16, 2009 1:44 pm

Yeah if the ref was 50-50 why didn't he yellow card Ryan Jones?To be honest though I don't really have many complaints about the ref. He did ping England alot but that's because they infringed alot. They need to sort it out. If I were Johnson I'd also have been pissed off, you shouldn't be in the job if you're not annoyed in that situation. Not a bad loser just annoyed that stupidity and lack of savvy MAYBE cost them the match...well done the taffs though

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mat February 16, 2009 1:49 pm

he didn't citicise Jonno for pissed off, i'm sure he was, but Jonno was blaming the ref, very unproffesionalsurely making excuses isn't very good for england, they have shown they are capable of a good performance, they squeezed the life out of strong welsh plays and kept themselves in it by frustrating an impatient welsh side.

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geraint February 16, 2009 2:06 pm

Ryan Jones didn't deserve a yellow as he tried rolling away as you could plainly see. Byrne i thought was pretty lucky though, there was less contact than there was when cross did it to him but was still dangerous, would not have been surprised if the ref gave him a yellow. I don't think englands "bad reputation" had anythin to do with their yellows mind. The ref warned england that the next penalty would mean yellow which is what happened to mike tindall after hands in the ruck. And goode lay on top of the ball right next to the try line. Both yellows deserved, and possibly Byrne deserved one too. Good defensive performance from england, but wales did well to still manage a win despite not getting our way through the backs. Looking forward to france now, just a shame it's on a bloody friday.

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Ref February 16, 2009 2:34 pm

The pass on Halfpenny's try looked forward to me. Watch it and check the field markings. Perhaps this is one where the pass wasn't made forward but went that way because of momentum. A tricky call or non-call.

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 2:47 pm

A forward pass is defined by the angle of the ball in relation to the person making the pass. The momentum carries the ball forward but the direction initially thrown is behind, so no, not a forward pass.

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 4:02 pm

Gough's tackle on easter was just brute strength.Great game

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Dune February 16, 2009 4:43 pm

I think it's interesting that Brian Moore picked Worsley as man of the match. Did he do this because he thought Worsley stopped Wales from running up a much larger score?

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David February 16, 2009 5:25 pm

One very tense game, alot of people are saying if not for the English mistakes they could of won. I kind of agree but both sides had periods where they gathered alot of momentum. There were periods where Byrne for example could of easily kicked for touch instead of playing ping pong, which would of relieved alot of pressure..Wales didn't do themselves justice, English tactical defense was superb. good game

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 6:05 pm

What was the ref on?christ a bit harsh.Bring back NOON!!!!!!!!!

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ed February 16, 2009 6:20 pm

the unbalanced refereeing has just served to take attention away from what was a good match. ridiculous decisions makes it more about the ref than the players. 1 man's bias should not be able to have that much impact.

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Scottb February 16, 2009 6:37 pm

mat, saying that just because armitage landed on his feet doesnt warrent a yellow card is like saying you can swing punch anfer punch but if none of them connect then they dont deserve a yellow, or stamping on someone but missing so ho hum its ok too. Anyone also notice sackey when he chipped it there was an extremly late tackle which the taff could have pulled out of but didnt, went unnoticed. Im not saying the ref lost us the game, we did, because of the ridiculous amounts of penalties we give away. it just doesnt help when the ref doesnt make it fair for both sides.

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Grazy February 16, 2009 8:03 pm

look english fans seem to be blaiming the ref... it was simple the ref warned england twice before he started issuing cards and england kept impeeding in front of the ref... it was silly. i thort englands tactic were good.. slowed wales ball down, which they thrive on. Wales were running deeper than usual and didnt look as dangerous out wide. williams and henson give them more dynamics. Wales were never goin to loose, although england played well.

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Ads February 16, 2009 8:06 pm

Anonymous Anonymous said... What was the ref on? christ a bit harsh. Bring back NOON!!!!!!!!! February 16, 2009 8:05 PMOh dear. Jamie Noon is an average player in an average club (Newcastle). Tindall is strong, experianced, anmd a calming influence, even if his discipline is questionable. Was a hugely entertaining game, and it was the first time ion a long time that ive been geniunly happy to watch England play, despite the loss. It could easily had panned out differently - if Sackey had got that try from the Ellis chip-through, it would have been 20-20, with the conversion possibly making it 20-22. All of a sudden England would be leading and the pressure would be on Wales. Im pleased for England, and as a Wasps fan im pleased for Worsley, who had an immense game. England were brave and refused to buckle in the face of intense Wales pressure, both from the team, the home crowd (who booed them as they entered the pitch - what is this, football?), and the home media, but England put in a performance to be proud of. Now to continue - i just hope and pray that this is not a spectacular one-off.

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Ads February 16, 2009 8:08 pm

PS, i didnt mean for my comment to sound too pro-England - Wales were the stronger team and proved why they, at the moment, are the strongest NH team. Good performance, tho as England haev shown, they are not invincible.

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Anonymous February 16, 2009 8:09 pm

To think tank:"i bet you were pissed off yourself when Wales got turfed out of the world cup by Figi"Yes, i was dissapointed at the time but it was a good wake up call, and it was a good game of rugby anyway.It's Fiji by the way. And also, yes it thought it was unusual because he looked like he was trying to move. He may not have been, but tried more than any English player did.Kember, i believe the card didn't come out because it was our first time, and our discipline had been great. You could say he could whip out a yellow even though it was the first time, but in my opinion he was trying to move and i was a bit surprised at the penalty, since England had done a bit of cheating in the ruck without trying to move.

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brad February 17, 2009 9:23 am

Oh how i yearn for 3Nations rugby!

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 9:44 am

Yeah 3N rugby, 3 teams playing each other 58 times 1000s of miles apart with no travelling atmosphere and lots of wonky scrums. .. "awesome". ZZzzzz.

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Colin February 17, 2009 10:40 am

^^ Oh anon your hilarious! Obviously you've been watching too much of the NH games! their "wonky" scrums pwned every single one of our NH teams...over and over again! Anywho Wales to take out the grand slam the others are ??? theirs no real competition between these countries, hence the reason why 3 nations are SOOOO MUCH BETTER!! 3 of the best teams in the world taking on each other...can't get any better than that, FACT!!

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 10:47 am

No competition? 4 teams have a chance of winning, with no need to play each other dozens of times to make up the numbers either. The magic comes from the close proximity of the countries. If New Zealand would leave the islanders alone, maybe the 3N could actually be at least the 4 or 5N and have some kind of depth.I never realised anyone but Graham Norton actually ever said "anywho".

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Billy February 17, 2009 11:26 am

^^ pfft when will you idiots get it through your thick heads that these islanders are born and raised kiwi or aussies! Did they poach them when their families decided to come here and make a proper living for themselves? 2nd of all the 3 nations are made up of 3 of the BEST teams in the world, something that the NH countries are striving to be a part of. How does travel even come into this? You would think that travelling hundreds of miles away from your home and still coming away with a win will make the competition even more fascinating.Keep convincing yourself that it comes down to that...cause we all know who would watch what at the end of the day! p.s wales to win grand slam...not that i care ;P

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 12:00 pm

South America has always been home to the "best" football teams too with Brazil and Argentina taking 1 and 2 in the FIFA rankings in the past. It doesn't stop the Copa America sucking ass compared to the Euros though.The fact you even have to ask about the travel shows what little you know, the weekends away in Dublin, Paris, Cardiff, Edinburgh and Rome are incredible and accessible to thousands (look how many Welsh fans travel to Scotland). The atmosphere at the majority of 3N games is on par with a swimming event.

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Grazy February 17, 2009 1:01 pm

i agree the tri nations is good but doesnt have the same history and festival feel the six nations has. there is such a feel good atmosphere between all the fans. the wales england match in cardiff on the weekend was superb and all the fans were having a good laugh together... tri nations comes nowhere close... and u truly never no whos going to win it.... although my money says wales (:

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ecosse February 17, 2009 1:35 pm

The guy who said the tri nations is close New zealand dominate it every year and frankly thats taken away the thrill of the competition

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 5:02 pm

no welshman can truly deny there was an element of biased refereeing against england, whilst some of this was due to englands terrible discipline in their own half some was just ridicolous. two yellows to england for stopping the release of the ball yet only minutes before or after (cant remember which) a welsh player takes armitage out in the air a nasty tackle which should have been a yellow yet is let away. whats worse a dangerous tackle or cheating at the breakdown ? pretty obvious answer to that

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 5:20 pm

the tri nations is a waste of time with only 3 nations competeing, name ANY other world sport competition in which only 3 teams compete, there isnt any coz its a bad formula. i say introduce fiji, samoa and tonga at least then its a six nations event, although it will still contain massive travelling, no atmosphere and 3 teams who have no opportunity of winning (fiji,samoa and tonga). at least the 6N really can go anyway, even italy (widely regarded as weaker) have a chance of defeating some of the top teams. NH rugby is more interesting (although not as as much of a high level admittedly) and more challenged. what would you rather see ? weaker sides truly competing for a win with real atmosphere or strong sides competing for a pointless victory lacking atmosphere, passion and history ?

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 6:29 pm

Tri Nations, aka New Zealands trophy. Some good games but generally a snorefest with little history and no real atmosphere (as already mentioned, the countries are too far apart)

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Anonymous February 17, 2009 6:47 pm

ENGLAND NEED DANNY CIPRIANI!!!!anyone agree?

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Garry February 17, 2009 11:20 pm

What England need are new coaches and new players!How can you say though that the 3 nations have no history between them! You have got to be kidding me. These three SANZAR countries have more history and more passion with rugby then any team could ever wish for! Im a Welsh supporter but even I know that once 3 nations come around the whole world stops and I mean it. In America where Rugby is not that big, the pubs are literally packed to the core of not only kiwis, aussies and sa but from foreigners who love to watch their games. Personally I would love for wales to be a part of this 3 nations but with the speed, intensity and passion, itll be hard for them full stop. The travelling you speak of has no relevance to a rugby game. Yes the supporters are a lot more festive but thats where it stops for me. Theirs nothing more enjoyable then going to a rugby match in the SH and having the home crowd down your throat for 80mins, and if you come away with a win then theres nothing more enjoyable then watching them silently squirm in their seats.

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Ricky February 17, 2009 11:26 pm

6 Nations have more history than 3 Nations LMAO what a load of bullocks! 3 Nations began waaaaaaaaayyyyy before the NH decided to steal it before intelligently naming their competition 5 nations! If you want a history lesson on the 3 nations or even before that between SA, OZ an NZ then go read up on it and you'll see. NH or 6 nations don't even come close to the passion and intensity that the SH have.

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 9:14 am

Wow Ricky hasn't done much for the worldwide perception of people "down under" being stupid. No wonder you all live in wooden houses and drive "ute's". "Australia and New Zealand first played each other in 1903. South Africa toured both nations in 1921 but there was never any formal competition in place, unlike the Home Nations (now known as the Six Nations Championship) in the northern hemisphere. For years the southern nations longed for a competition like the Home Nations""In 1871, England and Scotland played the first rugby union international. After 12 years of occasional friendly matches between the teams, the inaugural Home International Championship, comprising England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales was played in 1883"Who's your tip for this years championship? New Zealand or New Zealand?

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Tripp February 18, 2009 9:28 am

^^ ok so you gave us allllll a history lesson on the history of rugby, SO WHAT!!! You would think that with you guys playing the game for sooooo long that you would at least become competitive with the SH, but you aint! NZ, Australia and SA are in fact competitive with each other they win games against NZ then Wales or England or most 6 nations countries ever win in their lifetime! Enough about this history lesson and just accept that SH rugby is far more superior then NH. Even the Super 14 is far more interesting then this snooze fest, and if you don't believe me read up on the articles from the NH! Even your one eyed journos admit it.

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 9:39 am

So competative they have to keep re-jigging the tournaments. "How many times shall we play this year fellas? Two again? Nah three to try and spice it up a little. Lets play some of the games at 3am, some at 4pm, some at 8pm becuase the countries are 10,000 miles apart and to earn some extra coin from the rich people in the northern hemisphere.The reason they're still "ahead" is the amount of time between "proffessionalism". Rugby is still a million miles away from football both in resources, coverage and participation in all of the north and yet the real money is still made here in what's really still a minority sport compared to "religion" down south.

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 9:47 am

Leicester is a "rugby town" and their football team (who play in the 3rd division) still draw more punters than the Tigers.

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Tripp February 18, 2009 10:34 am

"So competative they have to keep re-jigging the tournaments. "How many times shall we play this year fellas? Two again? Nah three to try and spice it up a little. Lets play some of the games at 3am, some at 4pm, some at 8pm becuase the countries are 10,000 miles apart and to earn some extra coin from the rich people in the northern hemisphere."WTH are you on about? How do we, SH (3nations), earn our riches from you, NH? You guys don't play any part in our rugby. If you did you would ruin the damn thing! All your posts have been about the history of rugby, the money that you guys bring! I mean seriously if you guys earn sooo much more then us why do you guys still suck! you would think that with all this money you would at least have some sort of leway into getting the best coaches, players, equipment!! You don't...probably best equipment but the rest...meh!Its a religion in NZ and SA yes not so much Australia. In fact its third popular in their country behind League and AFL BUT they still managed to be in the top 3 in the world where you guys don't even come close. So how do they manage that without the money and popularity but you guys have "everything" and still come nowhere!Who the hell is leinster? if your talking about a rugby team, sorry never heard of them!

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 10:46 am

You've never heard of LEINSTER? Even though you brought it up? (So you've obviously heard of it otherwise how would you even know the name?) I mentioned LEICESTER, lol. More SH stupidity."The recent reworking of the calendar took effect with the 2006 event. This was the result of a new television deal between SANZAR and broadcasters in the United Kingdom"

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geraint February 18, 2009 4:03 pm

I don't know what it is about southerners. You all must be jealous or something because whenever there's a clip from the northern hemisphere, some idiot from the SH comes on and says how crap it is compared to SH rugby, how its boring, how theres not enough tries, or when there are tries its cos of bad defence....pillocks. I really don't see any other explanation because otherwise why post stupid comments like that? Or are you just annoyed because the six nations is having more attention at the moment than any rugby down south?Why bother making yourself and your nation look like completely stupid every time a six nations or heineken cup clip etc comes on this website? We don't do it when S14 clips or whatever come on. Yes you've won more world cups, yes you usually beat us, who gives a shit? Tell me now, what does the six nations have to do with the SH???....nothing you say?? Yeah thats right, so why the hell compare them?

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 7:51 pm

isnt it strange how the NH can attract many of your top level players to come and play in our leagues ? if the s14 is so great then why arent we losing players to that ? beacuse its not. quit whining coz your hero dan carter has decided he'd rather play in a NH team

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Anonymous February 18, 2009 7:54 pm

funny also that the new zealand rugby union had to desperatley make changes to its rule where they cant play for the AB unless there in the sh to to itself losing its top men. new zealand wouldnt look quite so tough if it lost them would it ?

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Rob February 19, 2009 2:55 am

"isnt it strange how the NH can attract many of your top level players to come and play in our leagues ? if the s14 is so great then why arent we losing players to that ? beacuse its not. quit whining coz your hero dan carter has decided he'd rather play in a NH team"Mate relax, the only reason why they go there is cause of the money! Its got nothing to do with your competition. Those who play/played in your stupid league almost always come back home! Yes they say they enjoyed their time, but they also say that the competition doesn't compare to super 14 or how we do it down these ways! And many of those who do go overseas go because they can't make it in the national squads!And Dan Carter is on a sabbatical! This meaning they pay him his big bucks while he plays in your competition and then he comes back home to play in the super 14! Theirs no way in hell he would of picked to play the Heiniken cup or wateva if they weren't paying him the dollars! So in other words your competition still sucks!

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Anonymous February 19, 2009 11:56 am

Carter was too weak for the Heineken, played one game and fell apart.

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Anonymous February 19, 2009 12:02 pm

Rob > Why isn't there big bucks in the Super 14? The English Premier league is known around the world as the greatest football league in the sport and along with that comes the riches. How come the S14 is full of paupers with dwindling attendances? Considering as a previous poster mentioned that rugby is a "religion" down there, why the attendances so low?Leicester City football club are in the THIRD division of English football and still attract 20,000 punters for home league games.

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Grazy February 19, 2009 1:50 pm

i agree, duno what it is with sh posting negative comments. when i watch sh videos i dnt feel the need to post anything negative. although the skill level is to a high standard in s14 i find the intensity and passion of the nh leagues and heiniken cup much more exciting.maybe we should just except u like yor own sh rugby and we prefer our nh rugby.so i dnt kno if it is jealousy or just missplaced arrogance but stop posting negative comments its quite frankly pathetic.

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Rob February 20, 2009 11:53 am

Actually im going to be a man, cause i really am ;D, and apologise to all those i offended!! I didn't mean to bring your competition down at all, i was being a twit a tosser a dick head...SORRY!! I don't think its arrogance (you can tell me otherwise :D) i think it just comes down to the whole competitiveness of NH rugby and SH rugby! I understand its all the same but sometimes my mouth or my hands get the better of me! There are some teams in the NH i have a lot of respect for. Munster cause of their passion and Wales because of the same thing!So sorry once again, i didn't mean to offend.Peace out guys

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win February 21, 2009 9:32 am

fucking hell everyone settle down and just appreciate the video

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Anonymous May 24, 2009 4:40 pm

Rugby sucks, tennis is better

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