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Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Tana Umaga hits hard, then sets up Jerry Collins for the try

Tana Umaga hits hard, then sets up Jerry Collins for the try

With Tana Umaga making his return to the playing field recently at Toulon, there's been renewed interest around the world from people wondering how he's getting on at the ripe old age of thirty five.

An All Black legend, Umaga coached at Toulon before making the decision to pull on the boots again and see if he can turn his sides fortunes around.

While you cant attribute success to one player in particular, he's done well since making his comeback, and Toulon are now looking safe from relegation so are set to spend another year in the Top 14 in France.

A few weeks ago when Toulon played Montabaun Umaga made this huge hit on lock Mathias Rolland. The referee penalised Umaga, saying he didn't use his arms in the tackle. You be the judge of that.

Montauban kicked over the resultant penalty, but then from the kickoff Umaga got his hands on the ball and set up fellow All Black Jerry Collins, who sprinted over for a great try.

It was an awesome sequence of play as Umaga, who clearly felt hard done by after his hit, got the final say by setting up the try, and later, winning the match 33-20.


Time: 03:12

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GetItRightIRB April 28, 2009 11:49 am

Shows the state of the game when in the other rugbydump video Heaslip is praised for his "big hit" when his arms "don't wrap" either, to this one where Umaga is penalised as a result of his arms "not wrapping".

F*ckin joke if you ask me.

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FrankyH April 28, 2009 11:54 am

I'd say the whiplash action of the hit made it look worse than it actually was, resulting in the penalty. Pity though, but it led to a nice try anyway :)

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KangarooTackle April 28, 2009 11:57 am

Umaga wrapped his arms more than Heaslip's "cracking hit" down the page and still gets penalised. pffft.

Anyway, smashed that big second-row like he was his beyatch. Sonny bill been giving him some tips i see lol.

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sacoho April 28, 2009 12:02 pm

I Think it's kinf of strange for the other players of Toulon. Umaga is the coach but he's not the captain right... So who calls the shots when he's on the field?

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Hackney Griffin April 28, 2009 12:06 pm

Great hit. He's unlucky, the ref sees the effect of the hit and makes an assumption - it should have been a Toulon penalty after the supporting player goes flying off his feet.

Still, Tana's shown his class. Don't moan or whinge. That's for football. Get on with it. He's manned up and put Jerry away. Best response possible.

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Feargal April 28, 2009 12:15 pm

tackle was all good from what i can see. hard as fuck too. he would've gone over forthe score himself when he was wearing black.

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 12:25 pm

Thw whole point of a tackle is to smash the bloke. This sin't soccer, it's not about winning the ball. It's about hurting the bastards on the other team with tough defence.
Soft reffing, disgraceful.

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 12:37 pm

Looks like Tana is ahead of the kicker at the restart?

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 12:40 pm

Regarding the Heaslip hit. I've heard that referees have to take the fact that when the player bounces away in the hit there's no time to wrap the arms? So ive heard anyway.

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Kerivoula April 28, 2009 12:50 pm

What a load of crap macho bullshit comments are those? This has nothing to do with 'soft' Frenchmen, comparisons with Heaney, or this not being football. That was an illegal shoulder tackle and the ref got it perfectly: penalty but not a yellow.

Stop this causal link crap between bad tackling technique and being 'soft'. It's embarrassing.

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thedannyclayton April 28, 2009 1:12 pm

great tackle

ref made a mistake.

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secondfive April 28, 2009 1:38 pm

jerry colleeen! jerry colleeen!
I love it!

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Boz April 28, 2009 1:45 pm

Kerivoula,

Shoulder charge? Arms out, led with the shoulder, tok him to ground. Perfect.

Watch this over and over and Harden the Fuck Up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 1:47 pm

Looked to me like he smashed him with his shoulder then on their way down he began to hug him. Could have gone either way I think but I'm leaning towards a penalty.

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Andy April 28, 2009 2:08 pm

Think the ref got it wrong there, although there might be a case for the shoulder hitting too high. I think he was unlucky though, but hey such is life. You've just got to get on with it.

Anyway since that tackle on O'Driscoll I think Umaga is a complete fucking scumbag and he should be penalised as much as possible.

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Shaft April 28, 2009 2:37 pm

I've gotta say.. a lot of you guys moan about soccer people etc, but then you come on here and trash the site by swearing and insulting, like a bunch of hooligans yourselves.

Get a grip ffs, and show some class. It's embarrassing.

That said, I thought the hit was fine, just looked worse because of the impact.

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 3:03 pm

Umaga's shoulder hitted very close to the throat of the green player. The ref did think that Umaga hitted the throat, he penalised him for that.
I don't see where the problem is, apart the fact that the ref made a mistake that almost every ref of the world would have done on this pitch. Ridiculous moaners and anti-french comments here...

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ciano April 28, 2009 3:45 pm

Absolutely smashing hit - what a beast of a 35 year old!

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Kerivoula April 28, 2009 3:52 pm

"Harden the Fuck Up!"

Nice one Boz, how to perfectly prove my point.

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Anyone that is familiar with Top 14rugby and French rugby in general does not need a call for it to toughen up. Ridiculous comments.

Hard and fair tackle and anyone who puts in a leg extension like Umaga did at the time of the hit is a cut above the rest.

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minstrel boy April 28, 2009 4:09 pm

seems perfectly legal to me

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 4:35 pm

Come on guys. I know it is trendy to act tough, specifically on a forum where no one risks being injured but the penalty is perfectly valid...

The whole point of wrapping the arms is to avoid a bumper effect and ensuring that the tackler fully commits and accompanies the tackle to diminish risk of injury. Here Umaga hits with the shoulder and then starts wrapping the arm after the shock, not at the same time... it is not a massively dirty tackle, it is just either badly executed or misexecuted on purpose but it is a fair penalty..

wrapping the arms isn't cosmetic, it serves a purpose...

Now you can agree or disagree but let's not pretend to be tough guys when we are just arguing on a forum...

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JFM April 28, 2009 6:22 pm

Great Tackle!!!!

Tana was and is the best tackler.

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Project_Tyranny April 28, 2009 6:36 pm

Clearly illegal.

a) High. Tackle Driven up from chest to chin, (no excuse for ball carriers hight like with some shorter players)

b) No WRAP. Using the arm means more than using the arms. If i were to play rugby based on your assumptions of legal tackles, i would just cold cock every ball carrier in the face. That is using the arms for sure.

c)Umaga was offside. yes, it was accidental, but the rules dictate when exiting a set piece on the opponents side, a player must retreat either around the set piece, or retreat 5 meters. Umaga was in behind committed ruckers from Mauntabaun, didn't retreat around the ruck nor 5 meters behind it. Watch a scrum half more carefully in a scrum next time. He won't go from scrum half to flyhalf after the ball is out, he retreats 5 meters, same when a linout jumper goes through an opponents line out when they two handed catch and maul. They don't just run to the back of the maul, they do an akward loop around to it.

d) Umaga never releases the ball carrier. He flops on top of him, off of his feet. You are aloud to contest the ball after a tackle, but if u go off your feet you must release the player and ball completley, get up on your feet, then attempt to play the ball again.

Part of the Modern Game is finesse and tactics. Yes in the glory days, when treading was legal and dangerous smash tackles were praised, things were different. It is essential to learn the in and outs of the IRB rule regulation to gain an edge on your opponent, and avoid penalty punishment.

So yes, Umaga smashed all hell out of him, but whether or not his infractions were intentional, there were plenty for him to get pinged for.

Oh, one last thing. Something that hasn't changed over the long history of Rugby... don't ever talk back to the ref.He will ping you whether you did something or not.

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Project_Tyranny April 28, 2009 6:48 pm

& @ Anonymous who said
"Thw whole point of a tackle is to smash the bloke. This sin't soccer, it's not about winning the ball. It's about hurting the bastards on the other team witth tough defence.
Soft reffing, disgraceful."

It's NOT about winning the Ball???

Two Questions:

1.How do you score with shoulder charges?

2. Who showed you a clip of Sumo Wrestling and told you it was Rugby?

COMPLETE OAF!

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Joshie April 28, 2009 7:09 pm

I think everyones goin a bit crazy and unnecessarily rude!
but i think the tackle used arms but maybe was a tad high.
French comentry is brilliant!

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 8:40 pm

Trying to smash the tall guy in the chin and knock him out. All too common. Technically clean though. Same second row dropped the restart, so I guess it paid off.

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Anonymous April 28, 2009 10:24 pm

Honestly, I wish to christ rugby was less popular with fairies.
You soft as shite moaning little girly men should never play, watch or somment on rugby.
This was an excellent tackle, which smashed the bloke.
The point of tackling in rugby is most definatley not to win the fucking ball, you stupid, soccer watching non-rugby understanding girls.
The point is defiantley to batter the players on the other team. DEfinatley, without a doubt.
It's a tough game, full of physical contact and intimidation, articularly at this level.
nyone who actually plays (obviously alot of you on here don't and haven;'t) knws that the first thing you get taught abou tackling is to lead with the point of your shoulder, to drive in and cause as hard an impact as possible.
The whole wrapping up with the arms is largely irrelevant to the tackle, it's only an afterthought, a way to make sure the guy doesn't twist away after the intital impact.
The anti-shoulder charging rule is stupid on any number of levelks, and even stupider when idiotic refs like this one take it to mena that the shoulder shouldn't even come into contact with the other guy, or that tackles shouldn't cause big impacts. Pathetic and soft and this sort of penalty would be laughed at in the southern hemisphere.
Lastly, just try and tackle a decent player with just the arms, without using the point of your shoulder, and see what happens. You'll get knocked the fuck over.

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Phil April 28, 2009 10:39 pm

"The point of tackling in rugby is most definatley not to win the fucking ball, you stupid, soccer watching non-rugby understanding girls.
The point is defiantley to batter the players on the other team. DEfinatley, without a doubt."

How do you win the game then?

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Chris G (London, Isl April 28, 2009 10:58 pm

Can we get a moderator on here or ban anonymous comments? I think it's hilarious the way people post ANONYMOUS comments stating how hard and tough they are and how everyon else is a fairy. Oooh well done you can make threats and insults on an anonymous forum to people thousands of miles away, aren't you the big man? Grow up. And NO, the point of tackling is NOT to hurt the opposition. If you think it is, please prove me wrong by quoting the rule book or the IRB website and literature. Or even from an encyclopedia entry on rugby if you like. Rugby is a game. It was invented so people could have fun, and yes, be physical, but the purpose of rugby is not to hurt people. You clearly have some psychological issues - maybe you had a father who used to beat you, or an under privilidged upbringing, but that doesn't give you an excuse to act like a caveman.

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theboss April 28, 2009 11:21 pm

Anyone who goes out to injure the opposition shouldn't be playing rugby. There's plenty of other sports where that is the aim, but it's not in the rugby ethos at all. The primary aim of tackling is to halt the opposition gaining territory by putting them to ground as quickly as possible where the ball can not be moved forward.

Sounds like there's a few league supporters leaving anon comments.

Umaga's tackle was ok I thought, but could have been called either for or against him by the ref. Just wraps the arms a tad late.

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JonMac April 28, 2009 11:28 pm

Sacoho makes a good point -

If Umaga is coach, but not captain? Who is in charge when he is playing?

Also, in my opinion, the hit was marginal. He clearly goes to hit with the shoulder, and arms are an afterthought. So probably the right decision for a penalty. I have seen worse go unpunished, and better ones get yellows.

To anyone claiming french rugby is soft, or we should all be harder - go home. you are not welcome in a serious discussion.

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alex April 29, 2009 12:53 am

great hit. crappy call. arms were clearly wrapped before the player went to ground. umaga the magician!

by the way is that the all black jerry collins or someone else?

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Mac April 29, 2009 1:16 am

Andy said - "Anyway since that tackle on O'Driscoll I think Umaga is a complete fucking scumbag and he should be penalised as much as possible".

Andy also said - "but hey such is life. You've just got to get on with it".

Take your own advice Andy.

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 3:15 am

hi - God here...

hope you dudes are cool .

p.s. UMAGA! UMAGA!!

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boomshanka April 29, 2009 3:34 am

God,

i think it was Hoo-Ha-UMAGA

p.s. please let the Blue's smash the Cane's this weekend .

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bennybunny April 29, 2009 7:58 am

For me a cracking LEGAL hit. And on a lock! Anyone know how SBW is getting on? Any chance of a super 14 contract for him?

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I Will Eat You April 29, 2009 8:30 am

"Sounds like there's a few league supporters leaving anon comments."

I thought far too many people were talking sense.

As it stands at this moment in time, league is the only code of rugby that hasn't turned fully homosexual.

Anyone against this brilliant tackle is a soft bellend. There is no two ways about it.

It again shows the age gap. You pensioners need to give it up and piss off. Stop holding on to OUR game, you're ruining it with your upperclass toff homosexuality.

For a start you shouldn't have to wrap in the first place, because it's a ridiculous rule that serves no safety purpose(See RL for evidence), and secondly even if it is illegal in Union, there was sweet fuck all wrong with this hit.

If the ball carrier wasn't such a tool and knew how to properly use his bodyweight to his advantage he might not have bounced off Umaga like a fairy.

Brilliant hit. Bring back the shoulder charges. And man the fuck up you silver spoon softies, i'll smash yous.

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Kenny April 29, 2009 8:43 am

Good strong tackle, I like the way he took the locks momentum but didnt budge 1 inch and then floored him.

On the other hand Im Irish and I fucking hate Umaga for THAT spear tackle so good tackle or not I cant stand his cheating kiwi ass.

So in short I like the tackle but hate the tackler so Im with you on this in a way Andy.

"Bring back the shoulder charges. And man the fuck up you silver spoon softies, i'll smash yous."

Im quaking in my booties on this one lol!!!! U need to get out more u silly teenager.

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 9:16 am

So when O'Connell screams about "fucking manic aggression" and "putting the fear of God into them", he really means "well executed tackling resulting in no metres gained for the opposition" and "it's not about hurting them lads, rugby is a game of skill, let's just have a bit of fun".

Got it.

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Kenny April 29, 2009 9:25 am

"it's not about hurting them lads, rugby is a game of skill, let's just have a bit of fun"

Rugby Union is actually a game of skill, ask the French or the Aussies or the Kiwis or any good nation and they will tell you that skill and passion are the most important traits to have in Rugby so your actually right even though you didnt mean to be!!!

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 9:36 am

It's a game of skill sure, and one of those skills is smashing the hell out of the other team in defense.
Any Aussie would agree, the wallabies always go out to smash the other team. It'd be crazy to suggest anything else. Utterly insane.
You honestly think O'Connell didn't want the Irish to go out and belt the other team when he was screaming at them to make the French fear them?

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Jeffrey April 29, 2009 9:38 am

Umaga's a real legend and I really enjoyed both tackle and assist it was marvellous

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Kenny April 29, 2009 9:49 am

Yeah but at the same time u dont want to give away penalties for "belting" the other team, Paul O Connell has admitted that since the last lions tour where he woulod have gone out "to belt" the opposition he has chnaged alot, and this includes using a bit more brain over brawn as the game isnt ALL about smashing the other team up, knowing when to tackle or in some cases predict a pass and hold the defensive line. Look at Ireland in the 6N, Incredibly strong defence making a great attack 3 intercepts for 3 tries. Sometimes not smashing every player and being patient in defence can be more potent. Aggression is part and parcel of the game but not when you give penalties away = know how to play the ref.

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samitarugby April 29, 2009 9:55 am

There was nothing wrong with that tackle. I love the way its a 12 nailing a second row. but then again it is umaga.

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 10:33 am

That wasn't a penalty, and a huge part of the game is going out and belting the other team.
Commentators use euphamisms like physicality and terms like bellringer. What they are talking about is bashing the other team with your defence.
This tackle was fine, and the ref is totally, utterly wrong to penalise it. Completely wrong.

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andy April 29, 2009 12:16 pm

mac,

How clever of you. Slightly different circumstances don't you think? I'm sure i don't need to explain.

Blimey there are a few morons on here today.

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Mac April 29, 2009 2:37 pm

Andy, you don't need to explain, your offensive post says it all. But I agree with your last sentence.

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JonMac April 29, 2009 5:03 pm

To everyone saying we are all soft for thinking this might have been a penalty, and calling us gay for thinking rugby is more than just bashing...

Look at the Nonu vs Ben Blair tackle. Nobody would have a bad word to say about it. Incredible impact, perfect technique, MASSIVE hit.

If you thinking rugby is all about smashing each other, then you dont understand the game. Im a front row, and like mixing it up but even I know that skill and running counts just as much.

Some people are idiots

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 5:23 pm

i dont know what rugby is turning into with some gay boys comanting " didt wrapp his arms " Jesus. What happend to the hard men of rugby

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 10:04 pm

Some babyish comments on this forum...

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Anonymous April 29, 2009 10:06 pm

Also looks like some "hardmen" on this site should muscle a bit more their brain

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A-non-e-mouse April 29, 2009 10:47 pm

definately loaded the shoulder.... he hit the guy and the guy wrapped his arm, not a legal tackle.....shame though, it was huge, awesome try after...

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Anonymous April 30, 2009 12:11 am

Umaga el mejor! un groso!

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mise April 30, 2009 12:15 am

OK this has to be said here, and I'm suprized it hasn't been said here b4 now.

Toulon are a complete joke of a club, an embarrassment to rugby and a threat to the integrity of the game.

They are the Harlen globetrotters, Chelsea FC 2 yrs ago, Brazil now, a random collection of players, no, of individuals, chasing the cash cow.

Where does the money come from, what does it destroy? French rugby anyone?

No blame on the individual players, they have short careers, but that does not change my right to see the wood from the trees.

They fully and completely represent everything that has gone wrong in the world economy right now too. They will suffer because of this, as they should.

Their next signings? Why Contipomi and Wilkinson. For the same position. Why not add in Lomu, or someone else from a catalogue?

There are many ways to end this, but this is as apt as any:

Munster is a place.

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Anonymous April 30, 2009 1:35 am

I've played for years. There are lots of different skills in the game.
In defence I always went out to try and bash the other players.
Legally and everything, but using my bloody shoulder, cuz what the hell else am I gonna use to stop a 110kg Tongan? My arms? I can't do enough weights to get big enough arms to stop a hard running no 8.
I hate the wrapping up with the arms rule.
Maybe because I played rugby league all thru my youth, and I realise that there is absolutley nothing particularly bad about getting shoulder charged, it doesn't really hurt any more than a normal tackle. And the principle's basically the same, drive in with your shoulder and smash the other bloke.
Anyway, this particular tackle, he wrapped with his bloody arms anyway, just not quickly enough or something for some incredibly pedantic refs and supporters.
This would never get called a penalty in the S14 or the tri-nations, I'm as shocked as Umanga clearly was that any ref would have a problem with it.
There are clearly very different interpretations between the SH and NH about what constitues a 'dangerous tackle' and what is just a bloody good tackle.

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Anonymous April 30, 2009 8:15 am

Good Hit.. Too lazy to argue..

I do however take exception to Project_Tryanny saying Umaga was offside. For starters learn the difference between a breakdown/phase play ie. ruck or maul and a 'setpiece'. Whatever rules apply to scrum or lineout with regards 5m these do not apply to the breakdown. As long as the player has retired behind the last mans feet, as Umaga did, he is onside.

Still a pretty sweet hit though.

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DoNoHarm April 30, 2009 9:36 am

@kerivoula - That was an illegal shoulder tackle

@anonymous - "Looked to me like he smashed him with his shoulder then on their way down he began to hug him"

@anonymous - "The whole point of wrapping the arms is to avoid a bumper effect and ensuring that the tackler fully commits and accompanies the tackle to diminish risk of injury. Here Umaga hits with the shoulder and then starts wrapping the arm after the shock, not at the same time... it is not a massively dirty tackle, it is just either badly executed or misexecuted on purpose but it is a fair penalty..

wrapping the arms isn't cosmetic, it serves a purpose..."

@theboss - "Just wraps the arms a tad late"

SO, CONSIDERING THE ABOVE VIEWS WHY WEREN'T THE FOLLOWING PENALISED?

They all DON'T "wrap their arms"
They all LEAD with the shoulder (don't know how else you make tackle?!)
They all create a "BUMBER EFFECT"

Lewsey vs Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sliMUbs0j0

Lima vs Hougaard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8ctts9LOk&feature=related

Vickery vs Magne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGpgZv61Jss

Hernandez vs Tuilagi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wZArJ0IaJo

Howlett vs Rougerie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbF2OyF6Jmo

View Videos

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islandstylin' April 30, 2009 9:46 pm

Not surprised at all these girls crying over umaga's "tackle!"

WHY weren't any of you b*tches complaining when matt banahan SHOULDER CHARGED that leicester player?? You girls complain about umaga pretending to use his arms, umaga almost hitting the other guy's chin, even started quoting the law on tackles!! PATHETIC losers..

Matt Banahan DID lead with his shoulder!! Matt Banahan DID hit the guy in his chin!! Matt Banahan DID NOT, I REPEAT DID NOT even attempt to wrap his arms around(i think it was) murphy!!!

So where were you girls then?

Banahan(6'7" 114kg)vs. Murphy(6'1" 86kgs)

Umaga(6'2" 100kg)vs. Rolland(6'8" 110kgs)

Is there a double standard against islander players on this site?? Seems like it to me.

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4LC4TR4Z May 01, 2009 7:19 am

@ mise :
You should talk about what you know.
Toulon is far not the richest club in France, neither with the max of foreigners. And the chairman is not the richest of the Top 14 chairmen.

Please go to bed.

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evnz May 01, 2009 12:20 pm

i found the tackle fair but this arguing gorra stop tbh everyones gorra opinion

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ngapuhi May 04, 2009 9:26 am

umagas still the man

"ooh auh umaga"
GO THE CANES

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