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Saturday, July 04, 2009

British & Irish Lions beat the Boks in Johannesburg

British & Irish Lions beat the Boks in Johannesburg

The British & Irish Lions have ended their 2009 tour of South Africa on a high after convincingly beating the Springboks 28-9 at Ellis Park in the third and final Test.

While the Springboks celebrated winning the series with their dramatic win at Loftus Versfeld last weekend, they treated the third Test as an opportunity to try out different combinations ahead of the Tri Nations. Ten changes were made, and it showed.

The Lions on the other hand made seven changes, many of which were forced by injury. It didn't affect them though as they came out firing with high intensity levels that the Boks struggled to compete with.

Shane Williams broke his drought as he scored two tries that both came from brilliant individual touches, from Jamie Heaslip and Riki Flutey respectively. Ugo Monye scored the Lions third try with an intercept as the Boks went searching for points.

"It's a satisfaction but a secondary satisfaction because we came here to win the series. It will be my last Lions involvement. I'd like to thank the players, they've been outstanding to a man," said Lions coach Ian McGeechan.

Springbok captain John Smit said: "We had a wonderful series but would have loved to complete a whitewash so we're disappointed. We just were not in the right frame of mind. The Lions wanted a victory and they succeeded."

"But if you had to said to me the series would have been 2-1 beforehand, I would have taken it. The Lions series was always going to be our priority this year and its been an amazing experience. To win a series, for me, is right up there with the World Cup."

White Armbands


The Springboks took to the field with white armbands that had the word 'Justice' on them as a protest over the two week suspension of Bakkies Botha for a charge into a ruck last weekend.

Piet Heymans, chief executive of the South African Players' Association, explained.

"The Springbok players all feel for Bakkies as he will miss this memorable final test against the British and Irish Lions," Heymans wrote on the SARPA website.

"Over an extended period of time numerous other players have charged into rucks without binding but were either not penalized at all or received only a penalty. Bakkies hit a ruck just before this one in question in a similar style and was not penalized. Coaches are coaching players to hit rucks in this manner and therefore this is a major cause of apprehension."

Lions forwards coach Warren Gatland agreed. We thought it was a tough decision, we had no issue with Bakkies. He has a history in the past of not using his arms, but on this occasion there was no problem.


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Daffyd July 04, 2009 6:52 pm

The "Justice" thing was corny. Great to see the Boks stuffed though. This is the tour that got away

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conor July 04, 2009 7:00 pm

Just in case that match cast any doubt, Williams still sucks....

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lock08 July 04, 2009 7:03 pm

A close series. It was great to see some of the rugby on display and the lions can come home with their heads held high despite the series result.

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Kearney for tests July 04, 2009 7:05 pm

Conor I couldn't agree more. Heaslip and Flutey did all the work, Williams just happened to be there to receive the pass and walk in unopposed. It was so funny the way he got really confident then and started trying to step around everyone, but every time he just got lifted up and forced miles backwards. John Hayes for Australia 2013.

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Shaft July 04, 2009 7:19 pm

I thought Heaslip should have been Man of the Match. It was his best game all tour (which doesnt say much as I think he was below par until now). He fell off a little in the last 20 or so I think, but the rest of the match was class by him.

Shane Williams certainly didnt deserve MOTM. Anyway.. happy for him that he finally got reacquainted with the tryline I guess.

Bok turnovers killed them. Couldnt get any momentum. I also think Morne Steyn wasnt great, and Fourie Du Preez going off was a bad point. Seemed to be from the knee in the back eh? Was struggling after that. Didnt look like a yellow at first, but when you saw the impact - ouch.

Poor game for the Boks. Nice win for the Lions. They played well.

I felt that Mike Phillips today kinda proved why you need a Bakkies Botha type character in the side. People always question Bakkies' behaviour, but Phillips showed today that if you can get under the skin of the opposition with your aggression etc, you have a huge advantage.

2-1 to the Springboks, and as Paul O'Connell himself said, if it were 1-1 today would have been a different match entirely.

Great series.

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Good Game July 04, 2009 7:25 pm

sorry guys williams did well to support flutey and heaslip - i didnt see monye or any other player support as well as he did. his tries were 'run ins' but he does it repeatedly and that shows more than strength and speed (awareness, also he has a blistering turn of pace).
Justice???? is that in reference to gouging, condoning gouging, going out to injure ppl, dishing out afters on martyn williams and mike phillips or was it something else???? They shouldnt have been allowed to wear those stupid aarm band. its against the rules and u got penalised bcos u injured som1 (thats y the rule is there) and those kind of challenges are career/life threatening. I think it was a cardiff neath match last season where a bloke died bcos som 'thug' dropped his shoulder and charged into a ruck

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Shaft July 04, 2009 7:30 pm

"...u got penalised bcos u injured som1 (thats y the rule is there).."

Oh dear.

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Huh!! the 3rd July 04, 2009 7:44 pm

Some of the Boks had Justice4 written instead of just Justice, as in to highlight Botha No.4 and not Burger.

Great series, makes up for 2005. Some great performances through out. Flutey was class, even though on form he shouldn't have been there. O'Connell was the Lions best man on the ground, he turned over at least 3 balls, might have a prolonged career as a 7.

As I said on last video, Boks can dominate for couple of years if they keep combinations and key players, but they aren't the finished article yet, if they lose one or 2 players in key areas, they'll struggle like any other team, ie, Matfield and Botha(Bekker and Muller aren't in the same league), Back Row and wing.

Also, Smit is one of the best and most influential captains around and even though Du Plessis may be a better Hooker he just doesn't have the same pressence, intelligence or calmness that Smit has.

Young Lions (Cubs??) will benefit hughly from this tour. Now players like Heaslip, Bowe, Kearney, Croft, Monye, Wyn Jones, Philips and so on will know what it takes to beat (or at least take on and match) the best in the SH.

S'laters!!!

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anonymous no6 July 04, 2009 7:51 pm

Some points:

1. SA didn't turn up this match. It really did feel like a dead rubber(which it was..)
2. Have to agree with many people here, Smit is a great player.
3. All of the Lions tries were opportunistic, none from structured attacking rugby.
4. If the Lions had been given a chance to play better opposition in the 'warm up' matches (and improve their own level before the Tests) then I think the tour would have been theirs.
5. This was a really great tour, lots of good rugby but a real shame it got spoilt by disciplinary issues which will always tarnish the Bok's victory. I can see the 'yeh but' arguments for years to come!
6. Thanks RD for all the coverage!

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caucau's no.1 fan July 04, 2009 7:53 pm

what an absolute joke, justice for a man who had to be subbed off last week because the coaching staff fear for what hes going to do. justice for a player who unlike matfield has no talent and merely acts as a thug, and as was proved last week is not as hard as he thinks he is. do you see the lions wearing bands saying justice for the gouging? i think not. brilliant series for the lions which SA did little to contribute to. the fans cant be assed to turn up to the midweek games, the players and their coach think they are above the law and now there whining because one of their players gets a ban. funny how the players say bakkies deserves to play when they rested all their players which is an insult to a lions team which pushed them all the way twice, today they got what they deserve. hope SA get smashed in the tri nations, used to really like them but since this tour they have really disgusted me.

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Tanora July 04, 2009 8:49 pm

That Justice stunt was pathetic. What Botha did was pointless (what was he trying to achieve, there was no chance of a turnover?) and reckless. If it was within the letter of the law, it certainly wasn't within the spirit, and that law needs to be looked at. The stunt was doubly pathetic because he probably wouldn't have been played today anyway meaning that his suspension effectively rules him out of zero games.

To me, it looks like a stunt designed to distract from the Boks inept handling of the gouging incident. It has backfired spectacularly.

I've just watched the highlights again, brilliant!!

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Dave July 04, 2009 9:02 pm

Sour grapes much?

The 'stunt' was a message to the IRB, who despite an appeal and sufficient evidence, still stood by there by all means incorrect ruling of a suspension for an 'offence' that is part and parcel of the game. Ridiculous. SA coaches could see it. Lions coaches could see it. Even Adam Jones himself admitted it was harsh! So the Boks felt hard done by, so made a point.

Cacaus No1 fan, they dont need nor want your support. Stick to supporting overweight hasbeen Fijians who smoke weed and have no discipline whatsover. I'm glad to know that doesn't 'disgust' you..

To some of the Lions fans who post on here - you're awesome. Level headed, rational, full of banter. Some of the others though, just seem to attack all the stereotypes of SA and take things a bit far. Anyway, it's been fun. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Tri Nations/Currie Cup/Air NZ Cup. :)

Peace out.

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Tommy T July 04, 2009 9:03 pm

Now that was the result we wanted and deserved. What a match, and a very convincing win. Now I know SA won the series 2-1, but We came out on top. 7 tries to 5, 74 total points to 63, and 2 citings to nil. I'm calling it a moral victory to us. Well done to both teams, some great rugby played with 100% commitment and passion.

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 9:05 pm

John Hayes 4 more years. Anybody see him pick up roussow by the chin??

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JusticeAfterAll? ;) July 04, 2009 9:07 pm

British & Irish Lions lock Simon Shaw was cited for dangerous play after he kneed Springbok scrumhalf Fourie du Preez in the back.

The offence earned the England second rower a yellow card during the game, but in the aftermath citing officer Steve Hinds has confirmed Shaw will appear before a judiciary on Sunday.

Du Preez did not return after the first half and it was confirmed he had sustained an injury to his back and quad. The extent of these injuries will be confirmed in the next 48 hours.

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 9:07 pm

Keanrey was off the charts again. Id give him player of the tour. How he does what he does is mind boggling

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 9:19 pm

Really hated that "Justice" rubbish

Didn't see the Lions doing that regarding the sin bin and only 8 weeks for Burger, then the comments from the coach

I've really lost a lot of respect for SA rugby over this tour

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Matthew July 04, 2009 10:08 pm

Right - great series, enjoyed the rugby, good drama, will be buying the DVD.
I can get back to being Welsh now and stop being "friendly" with the rest of you pricks :)
Seriously though, some of Ireland's attacking weapons (Kearney, Fitz, Heaslip, Ferris) have come through and are good components to a Grand Slam defence. Can't wait until next season.
Hope too much hype wont be created between Byrne Vs Kearney - will be distracting.
Its been a pleasure and will be nice again in 4 years time. Until then... Fuck you all, Cymru am Byth.
Ho Down

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Cheech July 04, 2009 10:12 pm

So what was the actual message to the IRB re the armbands?

I would have thought the appeal and evidence presented to them would have done that.

I agree that it was harsh and I genuinely hope that after this tour the laws and rules are looked at too make things clearer and fairer with infringements and 'alleged infringements'.

i just thought that the armbands were a pointless exercise and devalued the main reasons that armbands are worn on most occasions.

Apart from that, I thought it was a real exciting game to watch. Heaslip was immense and had an outstanding game and Jones was very understated but controlled the game well.

Easy enough to say that the tries were run ins but you have to be there in the first place to get the ball.

Any thoughts of B&I Lions player of the tour?

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DanK720 July 04, 2009 10:15 pm

Someone said John Smit has intelligence and calmness. There are some things he is, a good rucker and can move fairly well with the ball both intelligent and calm he is not. He doesn't stop whining t the the referee, always at him and begging for cards for the other team. Really, I have lost so much respect for SA rugby aswell.

Referee was a bit dubious (decisions went awry both sides) but does any else notice how Heinrich Brussow is always in from the side, playing the ball on the ground and not rolling away? He reminds me of Alan Quinlan

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No. 11 July 04, 2009 10:19 pm

there seems to be a lot of crit for williams, stuff about he's just finishing of moves. He's a winger, its what wingers are meant to do. They're there to finnish.

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 10:37 pm

ok the lions were better but this was a bok B team missing du plessis botha schalk spies pienaar habana de villiers jacobs pietersen and steyn from the starting line up.

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themull July 04, 2009 10:42 pm

First of all, Great series and much congratulations to the Boks...They won, they took their chances and therefore deserved the win....

Great performances from SA unclude Smith, Mattfield and Brussow....World class players....I can see SA winning the tri nations if they can improve in just a little areas....

The lions can leave the series with their heads held high....They left it all in SA and have abolutley nothing to be sorry about..that 2nd test was one of the greatest rugby matches of all time and will live in the memorey forever!....I'm gonna miss supporting the Lions but I guess its back to being Irish now.....

Great lions performances include Rob Kearney, Byrne, BOD, Roberts and Wallace...

Looking forward now to the tri nation autumn internationals and 6 nations.....

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AllyintheUS July 04, 2009 10:42 pm

Smit is an epic captain. He empowers the South Africans in much the same way Martin Johnson did for England. When the Boks were wobbling in the 1st test, they engineered a blood replacement to bring him back and sure enough the Boks hung on to win.

I have a lot of respect for him - he has no record as a dirty player, can play well at both prop and hooker at the international level and always gives credit to the opposition in post match interviews. A gracious winner and loser that is the is the sign of a good man.

On other related points - Lions deserved the win, Boks were disjointed with all the changes, Botha should not have been cited, but the 'justice4' armbands were pretty weak (there are greater causes to wear armbands about if you want to do that sort of thing).

Overall a great series, showing the value of the Lions and the wonderful rugby and spirit it can generate. Bring on the tri-nations, autumn tests and six nations.

And on a personal note as a Scot delighted to see Ford at least get a few minutes on the pitch so we were represented! :)

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willy h July 04, 2009 10:55 pm

i did suspect a big lions win today out of revenge, i think we should have won the series but we can just go by saying ifs and buts what happens happens at least today ended the long south african winning against nh sides, im not sure who i want to win the tri nations probably oz they were brilliant last year unfortunate not to win it good luck to all but the kiwis will probably dominate again

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dr July 04, 2009 11:00 pm

anonymous said

"ok the lions were better but this was a bok B team missing du plessis botha schalk spies pienaar habana de villiers jacobs pietersen and steyn from the starting line up"

The lions were missing a hell of a lot of players too you tool, not just from last week but from also players that have been sent home over the course of the tour, all due to injury.

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 11:17 pm

If this was a Bok B teams then this was Lions B minus team

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 11:25 pm

First of all does anyone else hate watching harry ellis play?He is so frustrating kicked away absolutly everything there where much better scrum halfs sitting at home.

Great showing by the most of the welsh and irish players, simon shaw and the english front rowers.Pure class vickery really got a bit of revenge today great to see.Simon Shaw what a man like i think Paul O Connell had his best game of the tour today and he played amazing but Shaw was class unfortuneatly got sin binned for a stupid reason well deserved though you can't do that.Heislip and Kearney played out of there skin today amazing stuff.Wyn Jones when he came on was really good but some huge tackles in.Rees single handedly stopped a try and turned the ball over he was unfortunate to get injured.Mike Phillips and Stephen Jones WOW unreal really stood up today great showing!Ross Ford when he came looked a bit shaky but got his stuff in order.

Shane Williams did the slightest bit of justice to his tour with those two tries but his second half performance was shocking he ran sidewards most of the time and was well marshaled in the tackle.But huge pressure on O Connell at least three times when he played scrum half.Ricky Flutey more like Ricky Flukey he could of done that a thousand times and Williams wouldn't of gotten the ball. Flutey but in a few good tackles when needed but didnt play as good as he could of he never seemed to run off Bowes shoulder and played too deep most of the time.Moyne only got that interseption thats all he did for the whole game!

South Africa where robbed that was definitely a try!!!


Over all happy with the result but frustrated with some of the performances


Conor

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ugo is class July 04, 2009 11:29 pm

anyone else think ugo monye showed true heart today?
two try saving tackles and a great try.
and bowe looked dangerous wenever he got the ball at pace

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Anonymous July 04, 2009 11:39 pm

I'd like to see a squad composed of south african, kiwis and aussies touring the NH. i wonder how those tours would turn out

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Kearney for tests July 05, 2009 12:00 am

Yeah that comment about it being a South African B team was just stupid. The Lions were missing Jenkins, the only good hooker Flannery was injured before the tour started, missing Adam Jones, Stephen Ferris was out, Quinlan got cited, O'Leary got injured before it started, BOD was out, Roberts was out, there were others who got injured that I don't remember...that's 6 definite starting players ruled out through injury, plus some more who would have at least made the bench.

And with the armband thing, they should watch 'Out for Justice' starring Steven Seagal. It might give them a few ideas.

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Eoghan July 05, 2009 12:10 am

Great win for the lions.

Real shame the series was not alive this weekend.

Boks might consider whether there are not more important injustices to highlight than a 2 week suspension (the armbands I saw all said 'Justice 4' meaning that presumably justice is not being sought in respect of eye gouging...which is wise as justice would be a 6 to 12 month playing ban). And that's coming from someone who didn't think Botha deserved a cite. The armbands in any event just looked whingy and crass.

Thanks for the gracious congratulations on the drubbing by a lions team which had run out of centres from our SA friends and eh the rest of you can sod off :D

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Flooz July 05, 2009 12:28 am

Even if everything was played, it was a great victory from the lions.

On the whole series, boks deserve it because they put the will, agressivity and fighting spirit. Lions showed a lot of heart, but doesn't seem a team according to me

what to recall?
i love the little tap from flutey on the 2nd try;
yellow card against shaw is a bit harsh;
phillips should return to football...
m.williams is coward as usual, recall me cardidd-toulouse...
Brussouw shold keep his nerves

Lions are not fanny, does it mean happy?

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:50 am

There needs to be a sort of southern hemisphere lions team from SA NZ and OZ. THAT TEAM WOULD BE INVINCIBLE!!!
1) woodcock
2) du plessis
3) smit (c)
4) thorn
5) matfield
6) elsom
7) smith
8) spies
9) du preez
10) giteau
11) habana
12) nonu
13) mortlock
14) rococoko
15) muliaina

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:50 am

"I'd like to see a squad composed of south african, kiwis and aussies touring the NH. i wonder how those tours would turn out"

Would never happen. I mean, the biggest obstacle would be what the hell would you call them?

The Springy black wallabies?

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Matt July 05, 2009 2:03 am

Well done to the springboks for winning the series!
and well dont to the lions for winning the match:)!
Really fun tour guys:)! cant wait till the next!
Now to wake up to a hangover:D

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keithxv July 05, 2009 3:32 am

the flutey assisted try was sick

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Roger July 05, 2009 6:18 am

CONGRATS SA!!! A much deserved win :D :P

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Jot July 05, 2009 8:08 am

Congratulations to the Lions, they deserved to win at least 1 test!

I just read all the posts and it makes me sick how most of you lot just keep on bitching! If you are not still going on about the Burger incident now its about the arm bands!

How about commentting on the win of the Lions instead?!

So how many weeks ban for Simon Shaw for knees in the back of Du Preez??

I think its pathetic! Burger yes, ban him for life for gouging, however Bakkies and Shaw should not havee been cited. The guys got penalised on the pitch and as far as i am concerned if what they did was so bad then why did the ref not give them both red cards??

Players will be too scared to hit rucks or make big tackles for the fear of being cited and being banned!

Anyway, well done to the Lions for winning yesterday!

Congratulations to the Springboks for winning the series!!

Good luck for the Tri Nations!!

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BOD for player of th July 05, 2009 9:27 am

PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT:Tommy Bowe

he was brilliant all tour,ran great lines,scored tries,made tries,and his defensive work was incredible,as we see from his two try-saving tackles in the third test.

he's really proved his critics wrong

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Cheech July 05, 2009 9:47 am

Jot,

Its not bitching about arm bands? I think a lot of people believe that there was no need for it.

If Shaw gets a ban? Which I dont think he deserves, will everyone wear armbands for the next couple of matches that he is going to miss?
I doubt it.

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Tim July 05, 2009 9:57 am

What happened to the "we take it on the chin and move on" professionalism the SA fans keep telling us about? From those stupid armbands to the pathetic attempts to throw their weight around, the Boks lacked class all round in this test. They were lucky to take the series.

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HM July 05, 2009 10:24 am

The shaw incident wasn't even a penalty. The way I say it was that he started to go down to steal the ball, mistimed it and bent arse over tit. Absolute joke.

And for the Jaapies out there with an axe to grind over injury, how about
a. According to you guys we weren't allowed to even mention the bad luck we had in the 1st two tests, so HTFU and shut up.
b. Off the top of my head, the following Lions were all out: Flannery, Quinlan, O'Leary, Murray, Jones, Jenkins, Roberts, O'Driscoll (?Fitzgerald?).

Also, why didn't Hook come on at centre? Philips did well, but surely Hook would have done a better job. Must have been gutted about that.

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David July 05, 2009 10:33 am

Wow people love to bash Williams, good support play, simple as that..Made the best of his opportunities too, he barely had a yard of space on this tour and hardly got any ball. He did what the winger is supposed to do, finish the try. the other amazing shit he can do will come back to him i think.

Good end to the series, just think, if O'Gara hadn't lost the plot and fouled du Preez, we'd of won on points difference.

No "what if's" tho, great tour!

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 11:26 am

lol this is the whiniest site ive ever seen in my life, people moaned when williams didnt score and then they moaned when he supported well to score two tries and put in a decent defensive performance.

moan moan moan moan moan

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JohnHAyesisGOD July 05, 2009 11:44 am

A bit disappointing, could have so easily been a Lions series win...

Ah well, that was one of the most entertaining sets of matches I've ever seen, lots of running, not so much kicking, and high-intensity all the way, so both sets of players deserve congratulations (maybe not so much intensity from Burger in future though).

An outstanding performance from pretty much the whole team, but personally I'd like to nominate Tommy Bowe as player of the series - didn;t put a foot wrong hte whole time

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cp85 July 05, 2009 11:53 am

Lions should have won the series. Outclassed in the game. Won on points I guess.

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Kearney for tests July 05, 2009 12:03 pm

That best of the SH team mentioned on the 5th July 2.50am comment got me thinking that Ireland are actually a deadly team. In almost every position they could compete or beat the other players.
1.fail
2.Flannery is just as good as Du Plessis
3.Smit isn't that good, I'd take Hayes or Buckley
4.fail
5.O'Connell 3 months ago was unstoppable
6.Ferris is turning out to be one the best blindsides in the world
7.Wallace is amazing
8.Heaslip is world-class
9.O'Leary is very good
10.fail
11.Fitzgerald can be deadly
12.D'arcy is class
13.BOD is brilliant
14.Bowe has proved that he's one of the best
15.Kearney is in my opinion the best fullback
Roll on New Zealand 2011.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:18 pm

lol at above comment. this bloke thinks that Ireland is the best team in the world even though they won the grand slam from of a missed penalty.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:33 pm

How can you win a grand slam from a missed penalty you muppet! There's 5 games to be won....thats the point.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:46 pm

And to think, most of the retards who post on here were saying South Africa would crush the scratch team of Lions and play better rugby.

In reality, the Lions outscored them in tries and points overall even with the loss of several key players. South Africa scraped two very close games and if the first had been reffed properly like the third, even that wouldn't have happened.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 12:58 pm

The only game to be sold out was the 2nd test:

R1140 for Lions tickets? Whats about NZ$230, approx. half what we wrong with that? It exchanges to paid for Lions tickets in 2005.

The price for Jade Stadium Lions Test tickets was about NZ$270 (R1350) for the open stand and over NZ$400 (R2000) for the Paul Kelly Stand, if you were lucky enough to win the ballot for them!!!

I think you have little to complain about there.

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conor July 05, 2009 1:19 pm

"lol at above comment. this bloke thinks that Ireland is the best team in the world even though they won the grand slam from of a missed penalty."

That comment is bullshit! They might not be the best team in the world but they won the Grand Slam, nothing more to be said, it's been coming for a long time, and I can see a back to back win!
Roll on Autumn!

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:19 pm

Lets bash the springboks more, and credit the lions. After all the superb lions lost their 3rd straight series and won their first game in 8.

And yeap we sld not mention that its the boks' 2nd team. after all its a real big deal replacing a welsh international with an english one.

Hey maybe we can condense the 6 nations into the 3 nations. after all the whole british and irish lions can only produce 1 decent player in each position.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:31 pm

Simon Shaw banned for 2 weeks.

QUICK !! Let's start a campaign, JUSTICE 4 SHAW!

Who's got the electrical tape and marker pen?

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willy h July 05, 2009 1:37 pm

the sa team shouldn't have worn those bands it was just pathetic a two week ban come on thats nothing for a game he wouldn't have even started, it is a bit pathetic but what is most annoying is that scumbag de villiers i am sure south africans are perfectly reasonable people however pdv is tarnishing your name not only about the burger incident but he himself was wearing one of those armbands what a disgrace something i am sure no rational or proffesional coach would do the sooner you get rid of him the better

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:52 pm

Spies should have klapped that no7!!! Well done lions - your team from four countries managed to win against a very young b team from one country!!!

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:53 pm

imagine the score line if a 3N team played and eng / irish / wales / scotland b team (cricket score comes to mind!!)

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:56 pm

the arm bands were pdivvy's idea (an this from a bok fan!!)

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 1:58 pm

BOKS 2- LIONS 1
No matter what anyones says, THE BOKS WON THE SERIES & the lions only won against a very young b team!!!

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 2:04 pm

Great win for the lions, love to see them showing the boks how it's done in the end. Too bad the series was already lost.

Shame that people are bashing S. Williams. I mean if you guys would do a try with the help of someone else setting it up wouldn't you also feel satisfied with your try? Especially playing for the lions and against the boks. That IN ITSELF is an achievment. So lay off him, ey?

I can't remember his name/can't spell it (would be embarassing if I tried, hehe) but the bok's no6 was so embarassing to watch. Throwing around people on the field was stupid.

The justice, meh. I won't even comment. It was unfair and harsh to Bakkies but so was the yellow card on Shaw, I am sure it was accidental.

I was really impressed by many of the lions; Bowe (surprised to see him on center but he did well), Flutey, Heaslip, Kearny, Monye, Jones, Wyn Jones etc etc etc. Well done the entire squad!

SA were robbed, it was a try I think. But let's face it, it wouldn't really have mattered in terms of the scoreboard and how much time was left on the clock.

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Dale July 05, 2009 2:08 pm

Simon shaw should get a month.cheating pommie.

''if my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle"..POC.

If if if.stop your moaning.cant wait till boks play wales.so some1 can end mike philips

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caucau's no.1 fan July 05, 2009 2:09 pm

so Dave, i expect Shaw's even more dubious ban was deserved as opposed to Bakkies blatant attempt to injury a player? hmm think everyone disagrees with you here, the armbands were pathetic. considering one of your players (burger in case you forgot) committed one of the worst crimes on the pitch and got away with it and got a small ban, as well as dubious calls from the TMO for Fourie's try, i would expect SA to be happy but they have to have something to complain about!
caucau's the best player ever, smoking weed only did himself harm, hes a loveable rogue not a pathetic thug. yep springboks wont get my support, judging from your crowd sizes it seems south africans arent great fans either.

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Matt July 05, 2009 2:12 pm

the thing everyone forgets about the lions is that a lot of the players havent played together before...
To have been together 3 weeks and still nearly beat the springboks ( THE WORLD CHAMPS) is hell of an acheivment!
The boks showed why their world champs and no complaints from me:)
Was a very good series:)

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conor July 05, 2009 2:20 pm

"imagine the score line if a 3N team played and eng / irish / wales / scotland b team (cricket score comes to mind!!)"

As i recall every SA supporter was saying that SA were going to beat the Lions by 40+ in the test games.

And to everyone talking about the "young B team" that the Lions bet yesterday, grow up, it wasn't exactly the 1st choice Lions team either, they won, thats all that needs to be said.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 2:21 pm

In regard to the Shaw incident.

I've spent hours designing an armband that you can print out and stick to your jersey when you next play so we can resolve this travesty of justice.

Here it is, feel free to pass on the design:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6540/shaw.jpg

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 2:30 pm

Interesting readinf if you go back and read the comments from the Super 14 final and semis where Spies got a couple of long range tries.

How the Boks were going to put 50 points, Spies was superman and was going to run over the Lions......

REMINDER: Super 14 is not hard nosed test rugby.

Spies did NOTHING in this series. He had a couple of rumbles and that was it. He didn't trurnover any ball.......and I would rate Broussouw as a better test player than Spies.

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Cheech July 05, 2009 3:07 pm

All this rubbish about us beating a 'B' team is getting on my tits. (AND THY'RE BIG).

Do these SA's posting these comments realise that this was not a first choice Lions team.

Get a grip.
PEACE

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 3:47 pm

lol at 'B team', talk about excuses, if that was the case, then the Lions must have fielded their C team in the third test and partly in the second test due to injuries.

People forget that more people play rugby in South Africa than the whole of Britain, and still they make excuses and crappy armbands.


Could you imagine a made up team of footballers from Australia, South Africa and New Zealand taking on Italy or Brazil and coming anywhere close, I doubt it. At least the fans would actually goto the games and fill the stadiums though I guess, more than can be said for this tour.

Spies was more Anonymous-man than Superman.

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JuiCe July 05, 2009 4:25 pm

Here to all that say the springboks played Dirty in the second test, here is some of your angels did.

http://www.sarfu.org.za/video.aspx?id=6717

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 4:26 pm

Firstly,
England alone has the largest player base of any rugby nation in the world.
The Lions consist of 4 nations, including england, by default they have access to the largest player base in the world.
People talk about a lion "C" team, er ok, i bet there were many that clamoured for a sheridan and vickery front row.
When the Spirngboks have a player out, aka Bakkies Botha, they dont replace him with another first choice international player, like vickery, when adam jones is out injured, or flutey or whoever. THey replaced him with a guy who cant make the first team, in this case who cant make the national team if not for injuries to bekker and rossouw, on top of botha's ban.

When there is a change of wingers, bowe and fitzgerald for williams and monye, u actually have replaced a set of wingers with another with more international caps. In contrast the entire south african back 3 have 6 caps total before the game.

We congratulate the lions for a hard-fought test win, doesnt happen often we know, and definitely worth celebrating. But when u have the best of 4 nations to pick from, and the largest player base by far, there is every reason to expect SERIES victories. Unfortunately, it will be 16 years before you can achieve one, and then that seems unlikely, with aussie talent like james o'connor, berrick barnes and david pocock looking like they will be around plenty.

This site also puts together a series of past "lions" experience, look backs etc. Ok appreciated, but maybe we can have interviews with the tri nations powers that beat these lions? I am sure that these blokes (who actually won) have more humility than the doods that lost

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conor July 05, 2009 4:32 pm

To the comment above, that video only shows how SA can edit a video to make your coach look like less of an idiot.....

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canonisejohnhayes July 05, 2009 6:12 pm

Please can everyone stop making commment about how successful a tri-nations composite team would be.

The main difficulty is moulding a group of players who have never played together as a group before into a viable team, which applies just as much to the southern hemisphere. It's much mroe difficult for a fly-half, say, who is playing alongside his inside centre and scrum-half for the first time.

Also, the "Justice 4" thing was pathetic - a slightly harsh refereeing decision does not merit that kind of protest. It also seems not to have occured to them that Burger got away INCREDIBLY lightly with the same panel, so they should have shut up and counted their blessings.

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PC July 05, 2009 6:23 pm

"The main difficulty is moulding a group of players who have never played together as a group before into a viable team, which applies just as much to the southern hemisphere. It's much more difficult for a fly-half, say, who is playing alongside his inside centre and scrum-half for the first time." canonisejohnhayes

This is a very good point....an established national team have a huge advantage over the lions....this cant be ignored.

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Gavin July 05, 2009 6:31 pm

Maybe they were calling for justice for Luke Fitzgerald? Anyway, I'm glad the series ended with a Lions win, the second test was a classic, all the games were competitive, the team cobbled together in 3 weeks nearly did it but the world champions showed their class. Bravo.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 6:40 pm

Did anyone else want to see Philips give Pierre Spaz a smack?

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Huh!! the 3rd July 05, 2009 7:02 pm

Shaw was No. 4 aswell, so just ask the Boks for their armbands.

David said

'Good end to the series, just think, if O'Gara hadn't lost the plot and fouled du Preez, we'd of won on points difference.'

No, it would've been a drawn series had they won one each, and drawn another. Points difference doesn't matter. If it did, then the Lions would be celebrating a series win.

Hypothetically speaking, had O'Gara not committed the foul and the game ended 25 all, SA could still win the series, while the Lions could only hope to win the 3rd and force the draw.

I back Australia for 3N. I think they are as strong as NZ, Stephen Donald is good, but he ain't no Carter, Luke McAllister might end up first choice 10. Which is a bit rich considering he didn't play in S14. Shows up NZ own rules. Obviously McAllister is rejoining Blues but still, if Cater wasn't injured, Henry would probably ignore McAllister.

Also, the idea of a 3N Lions type team isn't viable, there is no history like the Lions have (remember the Lions toured as the British Isles (they did rule Ireland at the time, before any Irish fan intervenes) before any of the actual home nations, thats why its considered the pinnacle).

Brackets within brackets.... this really is long winded!!

I think the Barbarians is as close as you'll get to it. The end of year games when the Baa Baas play in London seem to involve predominately SH players as NH international season is finished and clubs won't release players. Last DEC in Wembly, I think they were all SH players v Australia, bar Freddie Pucciariello, who although from Argintina, played for Munster, who released him for the match.

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Huh!! the 3rd July 05, 2009 7:08 pm

Huh!

'That Huh!! the 3rd knows his shit man.'

'Yeah, I agree, that Huh!! the 3rd is awesome.'

What.. 4 words

Duh Ric U Lous

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 7:16 pm

YEAHHH SA lost, good to see those guys losing and then getting angry about it

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Brighty July 05, 2009 7:18 pm

I am not bitter that we lost the series. Far from it. I think that in rugby the best team wins. We did not make the most of thechances we had in the first test and couldn't sew up a match that should have ended up as a comfortable win (8-19 with less than 20 mins to go).

BUT...

the armband thing was petty and childish. The term I would use to describe the situation is 'swings and roundabouts'. Yes, they unfairly lost Botha for 2 weeks but they were very lucky not to lose Burger for far more. So, swings and roundabouts. Is there an argument that the armbands bring the game into disrepute? They are openly showing a disrespect for the decision of the sport's governing body. Would like to know everyone else's thoughts on that one.

I feel Shaw was unlucky to get a yellow and even more so to get a ban. No reaction from the Boks players at the time... But, as I said, swings and rounabouts.

Williams is a good player. He hasn't been on form and isn't as good as he has been in the past two years but you don't get two tries against the Boks by ebing crap. He was in the right place at the right time. Good poaching.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 7:27 pm

Brussow.. what a great player!!

the way he picked up williams :P

boks looked like they didn't go all out this last dead rubber match..

boks deserve the win over 3 games though

ps. Shaw, what an idiot

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Cheis July 05, 2009 7:28 pm

that comment above this one was mine btw, forgot my name

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creggs08 July 05, 2009 7:33 pm

cmon people stop bitching about who won!!

i enjoyed this serious nearly more than any other rugby competiton in recent years (including the 6N...and im from Ireland)

fair play to SA...PDV is a bit of spa but the team played good hard rugger and apart from a few incadent's (Burger) it was very good!!

SA were fu**ing eijits yesterday wearing those arm bands!!

Bakkies was treated unfairly (i thought it was a great rucking tbh) but the arm bands....he wasnt imprisoned just suspended for 2 weeks (which means he wont even miss the TriN)

but fair play to ye boks....ye now your rugger

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Aussie15 July 05, 2009 7:38 pm

Rugbydump i asked a while ago for a compilation of some of Kearneys stuff like the literally unbelievable high balls that he takes, his running lines the breaks and tries.

Any chance of a vid because he really is one of the finest players in world rugby at the moment along with O Driscoll.

I was sitting in a bar waching the last two matches and there was a bloke there siting beside me in a Bok jersey and he leaned across and said " Makes Muliaina look like shit doesnt he " and i couldnt help but agree with him.

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 8:06 pm

Creggs:

"i enjoyed this serious"

Do you mean, "I enjoyed this - serious" or "I enjoyed this series"?

:)

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 8:20 pm

justice thing was pathetic. as stuart barnes said its hardly as though he got 6 months is prison.

shane williams is a winger. main job is to score tries, he scored 2 so im wondering where the criticism is coming from? part of the job is to be at the right place at the right time which he did.

ugo monye had an amazing game. someone above said apart from the try he did nothing. what game were you watching? some of his work at the breakdown was superb for anyone never mind a winger.

mike philips was inspired at centre. unbelievable to think the lions finished the game with a winger and SH at centres and looked comfortable.

flutey rammed down the throats from the south africa press who called him an average super 14 player who had only slightly improved.

fairytale for vickery too and brilliant for john hayes to get an appearence in a lions jersey.

as much as it pains me to say it simon shaw deserved a yellow and possibly the two weeks too. any lions fans saying he stumbled and didnt mean it are no better than PDV defending burger. even if its the team we support when a player commits some foul play its best to admit it

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 8:28 pm

for someone who spoke about the lions being able to replace the injured with just as experienced players which SA couldnt, nokwe and ndungane(sp?) are hardly inexperienced and fourie and olivier have been the form centres this year, better than JDV and jacobs - hardly mugs

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creggs08 July 05, 2009 8:32 pm

to anon a couple above!!

meant series!! thanks for poiting that out!!

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Cheech July 05, 2009 8:36 pm

To the person who said we can replace our players with other experienced players......IT STILL WASN'T OUR FIRST CHOICE 15.
Its not a hard concept. Really!!!

PEACE

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Cheech July 05, 2009 8:39 pm

By the way... Broussow = Immense who needs Shalk?
More PEACE

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 9:17 pm

Shane williams finished as the top test try scorer for the backs, even in terrible form he gets the job done haha

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Anonymous July 05, 2009 9:36 pm

"If if if.stop your moaning.cant wait till boks play wales.so some1 can end mike philips"

Good luck with that, he's an experienced boxer from a family who bred a national champion and has trained with ex World Champ Steve Robinson.

South Africans only know how to fight a) with 4 other people to help them b) when the other person isn't looking c) by poking someone in the eye.

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Brighty July 05, 2009 9:46 pm

People are being critical that the Lions beat a 'second XV' and on this topic I have two points to make.

Firstly, in the forwards there were only two positions that could have been improved upon: hooker and 8. Bismarck du Plessis is superior to Ralepelle and Spies has been getting the nod at 8, although Kankowski is an able replacement. At 4 and 6 the Boks were unable to play Botha and Burger anyway due to the bans. I, along with many others, think Broussow is more of an asset than Schalk 'should have got 6 months' Burger anyway. The Boks backs were significantly more weakened although du Preez is certainly the number one scrum half and it can be argued that Olivier and Fourie have shown better form this season than JdV and Jacobs. That means that, by my maths, that there were about 8 first choice players in the Boks team. Hardly an entire 2nd XV.

The second point is that if you flip the argument it can be said that the Lions were playing something of a second string too. Our back three arguably was not our strongest; Williams for Bowe. Our centres were both not first choices; BOD and Roberts struck up a world class partnership. Our back row was not the one which started either test and our front row was not the test front row either. So, I think we can say that a weakened Lions team played a weakened Boks team: so it was a fairly even starting point. John Smit said the Boks were desperate for a 3-O series, so it isn't valid to say that the Boks weren't bothered either.

Many congratualtions to the Boks for winning the series. Great grit from SA to dig in and win that second test which the Lions should have had in the bag. The three tests were three of the most exciting games I've seen.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 12:38 am

God I love the lions, Im a Kiwi but i have so much respect for them... they should have won the series, they were consistantly good and unlucky at times. WTF is with Saffas wearing cry-baby armbands? Bakkies ran head-first into a ruck and dislocated a guys arm! Also was great seeing that wealsh no.9 roughing up fran styne, the Spingboks never take a backward step... its good to see from both teams.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 1:11 am

Botha cleared a ruck, and did it well, he never should have been banned at all.
It was a joke. A knee jerk reaction to an injury sustained in play. It was disgraceful that he got abnned at all, and if that's real justice, then half of all players should be banned after virtually every game for rucking normally.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 1:31 am

As a Kiwi I watched the Lions series and really enjoyed it Some real belter old style tests The Lions were unlucky

The Boks arm bands in the final test were pathetic and they should all be heavily fined for wearing them.

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canadian content July 06, 2009 1:35 am

1) Stuart Barnes is an idiot, calling Flutey's touch on Williams try "speculative". If it comes off just admire, otherwise you sound like a boring old purist

2) POC should not have been Captain. He lacked the leadership in the scuffles, should have been sticking his nose in there from the front

3) Heaslip definitely man of the match

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 1:37 am

Spies reminds me of alot of college NFL players who get drafted high based on incredible physical performance tests (sprints, vertical jump, bench press etc..) and then are complete busts because they cann0t play

Spies is an incredible athelete but not a grat TEST MATCH rugby player. Maybe he would be better suited to WWF.

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asjdfioasd July 06, 2009 2:02 am

Lions dominated the scrums this time...awesome to see Vickery redeem himself - Monye, too.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 2:55 am

replying to DAVIDS post, if the lions had drawn the 2nd test they still probably wouldnt have won on points difference coz PDV wouldnt have put out such a SHIT team in the last test.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 3:22 am

the person that wrote on july 5 at 5:47 actually there are 762000 rugby players in the uk and there are 361000 in sa u idiot! thats over double!!!!!!!!

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sportif July 06, 2009 3:38 am

vive le coq

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sportif July 06, 2009 5:36 am

vive le cock

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 6:50 am

Anonymous said...
the person that wrote on july 5 at 5:47 actually there are 762000 rugby players in the uk and there are 361000 in sa u idiot! thats over double!!!!!!!!


I hope you're not basing that stat on the IRB's hugely out of date (and inaccurate) website?

Have a look into the REAL statistics of professional, registered adult male players in those countries (not from the IRB's site).

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ybr July 06, 2009 8:50 am

fluteys flick was top class

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 8:50 am

'To the person who said we can replace our players with other experienced players......IT STILL WASN'T OUR FIRST CHOICE 15.
Its not a hard concept. Really!!!'


many saffers thought people like fourie olivier and broussow should have been automatic starters as they were in better form. i know broussow started 2 but is schalk had been available for them, schalk would have been in.

my point is that in many fans books they would have been first choice. not a hard concept is it?

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David July 06, 2009 10:08 am

"That comment is bullshit! They might not be the best team in the world but they won the Grand Slam, nothing more to be said, it's been coming for a long time, and I can see a back to back win!
Roll on Autumn!"

I think the Welsh and French will have something to say about that =)

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 10:10 am

Anon said

"""There needs to be a sort of southern hemisphere lions team from SA NZ and OZ. THAT TEAM WOULD BE INVINCIBLE!!!
1) woodcock
2) du plessis
3) smit (c)
4) thorn
5) matfield
6) elsom
7) smith
8) spies
9) du preez
10) giteau
11) habana
12) nonu
13) mortlock
14) rococoko
15) muliaina"""

have to admit thats an unreal team!! ye would only have trouble with Ireland Wales and France....you would destroy the rest!!

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themull July 06, 2009 11:00 am

To anon above

That team above would indeed be amazing and probably unstoppable "on paper"...But they would still suffer from the same problem the lions do and that si tryin to gel a group of players into a top class international test team....

Loads of great players there but remember, players dont win series/tournements/tours teams do....

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Cheech July 06, 2009 12:14 pm

'many saffers thought people like fourie olivier and broussow should have been automatic starters as they were in better form. i know broussow started 2 but is schalk had been available for them, schalk would have been in'

'my point is that in many fans books they would have been first choice. not a hard concept is it?'

Tell that to your coach sunshine!!
We couldn't choose players due to injury. Your coach decided on your first 15. It was out of our hands that potentiolly 6 of our first choice couldn't play. regardless of 'what the fans wanted'.

NOW THATS NOT A HARD CONCEPT.
PEACE.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 2:35 pm

when all is said and done its a brutal games and thats why we love it things happen in the heat of the game but for smit to calmly walk-up to the ref and ask for a card the guys a tosser and what was going on with the ram bands I am surprised you did not go for rainbow clours to look nicer if SA fans think that is OK you are mentalty unstable rugby is about squaring up not crying to the refer like a baby SMIT AND YOUR MANAGER HAVE DONE SO MUCH DAMAGE TO YOUR REPUTATION ITS A MANS GAME STAND-UP AND TAKE IT IS SIT-DOWN WITH THE LADIES

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 3:56 pm

Well done SA, you have the best team in the world in my opinion. Although you have to admit it was a very close series and the lions could easily have won. Have really enjoyed it and there's been some fantastic rugby.

Get rid of your coach and stop this justice4 nonsense though, the rugby world is laughing at you at the moment.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 5:31 pm

Kearney best 15 in the world!!!

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 6:05 pm

The International Rugby Board (IRB) said in a statement that wearing the armbands "demonstrates a clear disregard of the disciplinary process".

The IRB added the action could bring, "or has the potential to bring, the game into disrepute".

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beast4president July 06, 2009 7:57 pm

im actually impressed with some lions comments here, well played sirs... but some of you seem a bit bitter. i thought it was an awesome series (think burger let himself and the team down and has caused a lot of crap as a consequence also PDV, (but i dont count him as a coach!)think spies (not spaz) was awesome - always made ground, and i was amazed at how much power some of those bokke players had - steyn is my hero- keep going for those droppies- you ll get one one day- RWC final '11??? haha anyway tours over, no more bitching please series ends 2-1 to SA almost evenly matched. well played lions have a safe trip home

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newcastlefalconsany1 July 06, 2009 8:06 pm

just shows that south africans carnt play rugby they have to cheat they carnt go one game without doing something sly or cowardly. all brussow had to do was just pull phillips and williams away instead of been a coward and throwing them. been a cracking series. revenge was so so sweat lions could have gone either way best series of all time??

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Fridge July 06, 2009 8:28 pm

Heinrich Brussow is a complete idiot.

End of

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Cheech July 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Give him credit though. He is an immense player.... regardless of whether he plays on the fringe of the laws.

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 9:59 pm

ok im south african and i thought the lions would win the final test but only coz of the crappy team the boks put out. there back 3 only had 6 test caps between them! aslo it was morne steyns 1st ever start, zane kirchners debut and chilliboys 1st ever start.
and we were missing the best winger in the world HHHHHHAAAABBBBAAANNNAAA!!!!!
also the people that said fluteys touch was amazing. woooow!!! uuhhhhh most people that have never touched a rugby ball before in there could have done that. he just tapped it on.

world champions and victorious over the lions!!

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westman July 06, 2009 10:17 pm

i can't waite for Nov test's i think Ireland have real good shot of beating the boks .There play from scrum and lineout should be better than the lions and are backs are a match for any team .

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Anonymous July 06, 2009 11:07 pm

anyone who believes botha didn't deserve a ban is a JOKE. You cannot clear a ruck with your head and sholder, its dirty tactics from a dirty player. Some Bok have a dirty mentality which looks to be getting passed onto all players, so disappointing to see Habana and Fran Steyn acting like tough guys during the tour... they used to let their talent do the talking, now they are just like the rest... a pack of jokes with white armbands confirming the everyones view.

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Anonymous July 07, 2009 2:48 am

SPRINGBOKS WON THE SERIES!!!
THEY ARE WORLD CHAMPS!!!
THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD
WALES SUCK
IRELAND SUCK
SCOTLAND SUCK
ENGLAND ROCK.. WHEN THEY HAVE JONNY!

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Anonymous July 07, 2009 3:04 am

Gouging.
Coach Peter de Villiers comments.
"Justice" armbands.
Half empty stadiums...

...World champions to village idiots of world rugby all in a couple of weeks.

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Cheech July 07, 2009 6:18 am

Sounds like Anon has a hard on for Johnny???

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Anonymous July 07, 2009 8:22 am

Can someone tell me why john hayes was not included in the origional squad?? He is undoubtedly the best prop in the world!! I was surprised he wasn't made captain and then they go and pick jenkins to start the test!

He is so much better than jenkins, he is the best scrummager in the world, he has pace, power and great handling and is always the first to a ruck. When they finally called him out and he played in a test match the lions won!!!!

john hayes could of even played no 8, over heaslip as this is his back up position. so much better than jenkins and sheridan. i think he should captain the lions to australia in four years time!!

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David July 07, 2009 12:45 pm

I hope you're having a laugh anon, there was a reason he was an emergency call up over about 3-4 superior props.

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Anonymous July 07, 2009 1:00 pm

Rugby is overrated, tennis is better

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Anonymous July 08, 2009 12:11 am

cheech im just saying wilkinson is a good fly half and better than your countries flyhalf. and after your posts stop saying peace ok your not cool you fucking faggot.

PEACE!

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Cheech July 08, 2009 11:56 am

To 'I love Johnny',

I am cool.... very cool!!!
JW has never had the same impact as he did 4 years ago. I know love is blind and all but come on!!!!
Again ... I am cool....very cool!!!
Its cool to swear too... and call peole faggots.

PEACE 'AND' LOVE

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Anonymous July 08, 2009 3:59 pm

The scores can be deceptive. The first test was quite clearly won by the Boks - they dominated the lineout and the tactical kicking - the Lions only got back into the game due to poor Boks substitution. The second test was indeed very close and whilst the Lions can be pleased with their play they must ask themselves questions about their ruthlessness, they let the game slip as much as the Boks fought back. The final game was a dead rubber and whilst the Lions can be relieved that they won - there is little to celebrate - the Boks were understrength and had their minds on the Tri nations - having already wrapped up the series with the Lions. Peter De Villiers, Botha & Burger incidents are side shows that detract from the Lions real concerns in the Line-out and tactical kicking - both skills have always been a key part of the game and you cannot expect real success without them Nick C (English supporter)

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Anonymous July 08, 2009 7:05 pm

i think the sh should put a team together people say there is no history behind it but how was history made it was done for the 1st time oh and by the johnny wilkinson hasent done fuck all in years over rated cause of a good drop goal in 2003 world cup final but have respect he pulled it off but ireland hammered england in 2007 with wilkinson on the team u cant keep usein older players cause retirement comes u need to blood the rookies in sooner or later cant wait for ireland vs south africa in november i hope for a cracker agenst australia is well

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goodNumber10 July 08, 2009 7:48 pm

I've only just managed to watch this, and what a great game, regardless of the score line, some lovely attacking from both the boks and the lions.

Have to say this was a fantastic series and exactly what lions rugby needed, roll on 2013 i say cannot wait. I'd even go as far as to say ti was the best lions series I've seen since the 1989 lions side won in Australia, fantastic stuff.

Well done to SA for winning a breathtaking series, i just don't see how the Tri-Nations can live up to this series for intensity and sheer out and out passion, but I hope it does, this is really what Test level rugby has been missing for the last two years, really hell for leather all out rugby from two sides intent on taking their one and only chance at winning.

superb stuff.

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Boz July 09, 2009 5:27 am

"If the Lions had been given a chance to play better opposition in the 'warm up' matches (and improve their own level before the Tests) then I think the tour would have been theirs."

They almost lost several midweek games and tied one.

The Lions one because the boks took at least 8 of their first line players out.

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goodNumber10 July 09, 2009 3:09 pm

"The Lions one because the boks took at least 8 of their first line players out."

As did the Lions, look how drastically changed the side was from last week.

Funny how the excuses only matter when it's your side.

I'm sorry but all the people waving the lions lost three series in a row they should just give up etc... need to look at South Africa and New Zealands records touring in their respective countries. The lions have actually won more series against NZ & SA in NZ & SA then they have against each other.

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jamestheconvict July 09, 2009 4:29 pm

the lions played very well all series and are a credit to themselves and NH rugby.

the series could have gone either way,the tour was a sucess overall.

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Anonymous July 10, 2009 10:08 am

Thats one of the maturist posts you've ever done Jamestheconvict. Well done you.

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matn July 11, 2009 2:19 pm

Fair play the Boks held their nervw when it counted, really impressed by the Lions though, i wouldnt have been surprised if, (before the tour began) wed lost all 3 tests by 20 points. Plently of talent lined up for 2013!!!

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Anonymous August 20, 2009 1:18 am

I've read comments about a southern hemisphere team which would be awsome... but i'd like to see the winner of the heineken cup and the winner of the super 14 play against eachother, now that would be a game
Hopefully Munster vs Bulls

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