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Monday, November 09, 2009

Leicester Tigers claim South African scalp at Welford Road

Leicester Tigers claim South African scalp at Welford Road

There was some joy for English rugby fans this weekend as a pumped up Leicester Tigers beat a lacklustre South African XV 22-17 at Welford Road on Friday night.

It was a historic win for the Tigers, who themselves were missing their England players and had a few others out due to injury. The South African side comprised of a group of young Currie Cup players, mixed in with a handful of Test veterans.

Despite an early try to Jongi Nokwe, it was clear that a Springbok scalp was more motivation for the Tigers than vice versa, as the home side ripped into the tourists, dominating them in practically every department. In the scrum came the most humiliation though, as the Bok pack were demolished and conceded penalties on more than one occasion.

Gurthro Steenkamp, who has since left the tour with an injury, was destroyed by Martin Castrogiovanni in the scrums. Captain on the night, Chilliboy Ralepele, was also injured, leaving the field after 20 minutes. It was a shambolic Springbok team, and a poor showing all round.

Springbok assistant coach Dick Muir was shocked at the performance, despite picking nine uncapped players: "I don't think I've ever seen a South Africa pack as bad as that, especially from a coaching perspective. We were given a bit of a lesson at the scrums," he said.

"We just move on. We came over here with an experiment and perhaps it didn't come off as planned. Hats off to the Tigers. They were incredibly strong in that department so we've got to go back to the drawing board."

Tigers coach Richard Cokerill said his scrum was immense. "Rugby can get quite scientific in its analysis these days. Sometimes you just need 15 blokes to come here and roll their sleeves up. The scientists can't quantify that. And that's what we did tonight," he said.

Argentine wing Lucas Amorosino scored a nice try after a neat switch from the highly impressive Manu Tuilagi. Scrumhalf Ben Youngs, only 20 years old, put in a great performance as he kicked his kicks and showed no fear with a few darting runs. He tallied up 17 points on the night, showing maturity beyond his years.

It was a sensational occasion for the 24 000 fans at the ground, and the many more watching at home, as the Leicester Tigers claimed the scalp of the South African dirt trackers, whose coaching staff and selection policies will be questioned following the match.

The senior Springbok side will face France in Toulouse this coming Friday night. After this performance, it's highly doubtful that any of the players on show at Welford Road will make the matchday 22 for that, the first of their three Tests on tour.


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Dens November 09, 2009 8:44 am

Fake Springboks

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Hurricane November 09, 2009 8:50 am

obstruction for leicester try

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:01 am

lol i mean gimme a break chilli boy for captain ha ha & guys who have never slipped on the springbok jersey all of a sudden a springok!!!! Once again Pieter de villiers dissapoint me with his crap decission making embarrising the springoks for what they really are & everyone knows the truth BOK POWER!!!!!!!!!!! & by that i dont mean this no name team bring the real boks & Leicester would have been running with their tails between their legs home

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:07 am

Loled at the commentator pronouncing Tuquiri's name

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Dave November 09, 2009 9:08 am

Lets not forget this was the dirt trackers after all. Not to take anything away from a great Leicester performance - they dominated us. But come on, the sky sports commentators were deluded in what they were saying afterwards.. either that or just taking the p.

Anyway, only Ruan Pienaar would ever make the Bok squad as a first choice these days. Every other player there would only make it in because of an injury to someone else. This was like a third team. Pisspoor.

Well done Tigers though - awesome match by them.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:10 am

NH press are going crazy over this

"Tigers beat WORLD CHAMPIONS"

I'm sure it will help sell some news papers but don't lie about it... This team was filled with undeserving players who only got in the team due to their color.

Deysel and Ashley Johnson are keepers.

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goodNumber10 November 09, 2009 9:12 am

Dave to be fair it wasn't exactly a full strength Tigers team either, they had to call peple back from the lower divisions to make up the squad due to international call ups and injuries.

It was about 40/50 in favour of regular players.

No Kay, Ellis, Hipkiss, Flood, Allen, Moody, white etc... et...

Yes it was the SA A team, but they still carry the name of the boks onto the field and they still carry the mantle of the world champions.

Good game though, and I don't think anyone is under any illusions that the internationals will be anything like this.

good luck on the tour..

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Dave November 09, 2009 9:12 am

Don't get me wrong - we got absolutely outplayed and totally deserved to lose. Not sour grapes or making excuses, just annoyed with the players that were chosen to represent our country/team, midweek match or not.

Steenkamp, Ralepele, and Du Plessis all on the way home btw. Injured. Perhaps explains a little. Why choose them if they're carrying injuries though??! Foolish.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:15 am

South Africas 6th choice hooker who only had 63 minutes of game time from 15 test matches was the teams captain... sums the team up really... this was a political thing.

I'd go as far to say this was South Africas 5th string side.

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Dave November 09, 2009 9:17 am

And yes, a SA A team (although to me this was like a SA C team!) should still be able to beat a Leicester 'A' team. So well done to Leicester who pulled together well following their injuries.

But I don't like how it's being made out (in some sectors of the media) that they beat the World Champions, Tri Nations Champions, or the team that beat the B&I Lions. We all know that's not the case, but they're milking it, misleading the ill-informed.

Oh well. Life goes on.. just not for any of those players :P

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:19 am

This match uncovered the talents of Ashley Johnson. So its not all bad.

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McBull November 09, 2009 9:24 am

Ruan Pienaar shouldn't be anywhere near a Bok jersey. Most overrated player this decade. Rose makes less mistakes than this "guy".

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Kenny November 09, 2009 9:37 am

ha ha tigers second string team beat the crap out of the boks a team,
I have 2 questions...

Where was Deysel????

What happened to the boks scrum???

Castro made mince meat of it all night.

It looks like to me that if the boks get any kind of bad injuries to their front row they are in big big trouble.

Ive never seen a team get their asses handed to them on a plate so many times at scrum time. very dissapointing

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Dirt Trackers November 09, 2009 9:39 am

Learn to read Kenny.

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Shaft November 09, 2009 9:51 am

Deysel was actually pretty good when he came on. Made one notable trademark charge/bash and carried well besides that.

He and Ashley Johnson were most impressive for the SA XV (I refuse to call them Springboks)

Ruan Pienaar has all the talent and skill in the world, but he seems to lack temperament to utilise his potential. His mind goes wondering. He did kick well though at least, for poles.

I read a funny thing on an Aussie website earlier - they were saying that Lote Tuqiri came on and contributed to the win.. that he was a star performer for his new club etc etc. What a joke. I think he touched the ball once or twice, and barely had to make any tackles. Just shows you what power the media has in their hands, and how they can twist it.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 9:56 am

Dirt Trackers said...
Learn to read Kenny.

if your referring to this line "The South African side comprised of a group of young Currie Cup players, mixed in with a handful of Test veterans." mate then learn to read the rest of the summary as well or maybe check that the tigers were made up of has beens and up and comings becauase nearly thier whole squad is on international duty or was on the side line injured.

Get over it mate, your sub team were awfull..shit happens

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sebastian November 09, 2009 9:59 am

good work leicester, they beat the world champions, period

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Durbanite November 09, 2009 9:59 am

Kenny, you show signs of vulnerability. How many times have you watched your NH teams get a nice hiding?

This wasn't a proper springbok team. You will be seeing a proper Springbok team when Ireland goes down by 40 points.


Funny you say that about injuries to the front row, because with those 3 undeserving players now injured and gone, we have gotten the players that should have been there in the first place, the Cheetahs front row and CJ.

But whatever, its already 2-0 to the SH in the tests.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 10:03 am

But whatever, its already 2-0 to the SH in the tests.

Thats fine with me as im Irish so i couldnt give a rats ass bout England n Wales losing.

France are alot better than the tigers second team btw so Friday is looming large lol

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Russoman November 09, 2009 10:06 am

Springbok XV: 15 Earl Rose, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Jongi Nokwe, 10 Ruan Pienaar, 9 Heini Adams, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Davon Raubenheimer, 6 Dewald Potgieter, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle (captain), 1 Gurthr Steenkamp.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Jean Deysel, 20 Francois Hougaard, 21 Meyer Bosman, 22 Riaan Viljoen.

Besides a few Bok bench players (who are admittedly also below par) this team was filled with political selections. Don't take too much out of it Kenny, you will be in for a 50 point surprise.

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chickennoodlesoup bo November 09, 2009 10:08 am

The way Castrogiovanni pummeled through those scrums got me thinking...it's a shame he can't win games for Italy all on his own, right? The same way Wilkinson can't win games for England by himself...well, what if there were like a tournament of teams just comprised of players from a single position...props v wingers v locks v halfbacks, etc....I wonder who'd come out on top?

Anyways, that has absolutely nothing to do with this match - which was highly entertaining, I've gotta say. Fair play to Leicester for winning. It surely wasn't a first-pick Bok side (PdV would've had to be even MORE insane to pull a move like that just for a mid-week win), but I guess it wasn't a first-choice Leicester side, either. Anyways, I bet Leicester fans had a hell of a party this weekend following that show. They'll cling to this victory the same way Munster clings to beating NZ all those years ago.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 10:10 am

"Ireland barely withstood a late onslaught to scramble over the line against a dogged Georgia by 14-10 here on Saturday.

Despite fielding a second string side, Georgia stayed with their lauded opponents all the way and never tired in the second half as they did in their 33-3 defeat to Argentina in midweek.

But for a lack of clinical finishing, they should even have won.

Ireland coach Eddie O'Sullivan blasted his side after their dreadful 32-17 win over Namibia last Sunday but incredibly he was happier this time round despite almost going down to the most embarrassing defeat in World Cup history."


Atleast this was a Bok "c" team....

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boobs November 09, 2009 10:15 am

Kenny...c'mon...really? You're Irish and all, so I don't know if modesty is a character trait you posses, but:

"Ive never seen a team get their asses handed to them on a plate so many times at scrum time. very dissapointing"

....did you not watch the first Lions match?

Listen, don't get your knickers in a twist - I root for Ireland every match they play (unless it's against the Eagles), and the Beast may not have been going in straight, but Vickery looked like a little girl out there. So, yes, I HAVE seen what those Leicester big boys did to that SA scrum before.

You tend to speak in hyperboles and all, but that just as soon can bite you on your ass. Learn some humility and people won't rub a win in your face so much.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 10:18 am

It was a decent match, both teams were second string at best and the Boks looked really uncomfortable being on the end of losing scoreline. I don't think this is a bad thing for them and even though it isn't their first choice tight five they might have a look at there scrum which has been the weakest area this year. In fairness to Leicester they had the boks playing exactly the way they wanted to from the off, slow, close to the breakdown and a load of scrums.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 10:21 am

South African XV only had 4 days to prepare. We all seen how a star studded barbarians team often comes undone due to lack of playing together, well its the same with this team. Add to the fact that its filled with rubbish.

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alf November 09, 2009 10:24 am

Holy shit, Ben Youngs is only 20? Jaysus, I feel old.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 10:34 am

"Ireland barely withstood a late onslaught to scramble over the line against a dogged Georgia by 14-10 here on Saturday."

anon they still didnt lose unlike SA in friday. You can go on and on but the bottom line is SA lost to Leicester Tigers...both second string teams so dont even bother giving the "we had our B team out because so did Leicester."


4 days to prepare is still 4 days to prepare and its not an excuse at all really.

Tigers looked hungrier and generally better in all facets.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 10:37 am

And as for speaking in hyperboles by me saying they got their asses handed to them on Friday,

Do any of you SA fans think they had a good scrum on friday??

Answer that honestly, forget im Irish because that had nothing to do with my first and in my view legitamite comment that SA were well beaten in every facet especially the scrum.

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leo November 09, 2009 10:42 am

Lol @ all the south african c team crap. If they werent good players, why did they even make the team.

Dont forget, Leicester was missing all their internationals aswell.

You Lost, face it.

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Dave November 09, 2009 10:43 am

oh gee leo, do you pay attention to anything? They were politically selected due to their skin color... not their playing potential. To REPRESENT South Africa.

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dave November 09, 2009 10:50 am

i hate coming on to these threads to read all the awful chat coming from south africans. its just sour grapes at the awful team put out by PdV. face it-leicester were better than you on the day. it doesnt make them world champs but they deserve it. try and be gracious in defeat for once!

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 10:54 am

Tuilagi destroyed. They have a big strong family lol

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Tiger's fan November 09, 2009 11:02 am

"Hurricane said...
obstruction for leicester try"

Don't forget the forward pass just inside the Leicester half

but if we're going to pick up on every refereeing error.....

What about the clear knock on in the tackle by the Inside Centre before the first SA penalty? or the fact that our Openside was on his feet and the only man in ruck and was trying to take the ball but it was being held

How about the Outisde Centre pulling Scott Hamilton's arm when he was after the up and under causing him to miss the ball, Amorasino take and get turned over?


I know it was no where near the real Boks side but let's not forget Tiger's missing their internationals and injuries - to such an extent that they had 3 academy players in the starting team (2 on the bench) and a player who normally plays for a Division 2 team. I was pleased that we didn't get ravaged in the last 15-20 minutes given the pace and intensity compared to what some of them are used to

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iceman! November 09, 2009 11:08 am

Just to fly the Leicester flag here in the faces of some the pathetic and ungracious comments going on, let me tell you the Leicester team...

1. Castrogiovanni (1st choice)
2. Davies (2nd choice)
3. Stankovic (3rd choice)
4. Green (3rd choice)
5. Hemingway (3rd choice)
6. Parling (3rd choice)
7. Pienaar (4th choice)
8. Deacon (2nd choice)

9. Youngs (3rd choice)
10. Mauger (1st choice, inside centre)
11. Murphy (2nd choice)
12. Tuilagi (4th choice)
13. Forsyth (4th choice)
14. Amarosino (3rd choice)
15. Hamilton (1st choice)

On the whole, this was a 2nd/3rd XV for a club side.

Yes the Boks had a similar level of 2nd/3rd stringers, but to say that Leicester have not beaten the South Africans is bitter and frankly, pathetic. Regardless of who was in the shirt, the shirt was South African and like it or not, represented your nation. Whether PDV picked players that weren't up to it, doesn't matter. Before the game your press and our press had marketed it as South Africa v Leicester, now you've lost your boys have their tail between their legs and are squealing about how unfair it is that they had a 3rd XV out. Well so did Leicester.

1st choice team for Leicester would be:
1. Castrogiovanni
2. Chuter
3. Davies
4. Kay
5. Deacon
6. Croft
7. Moody
8. Crane

9. Ellis
10. Flood
11. Hamilton
12. Mauger
13. Hipkiss
14. Tuilagi
15. G. Murphy

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 11:19 am

THANK YOU PDIVVY, YOU ARE OUR WEAKEST LINK AND SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!!!! POLITICAL PAWNS, WTF!! Well done to the tigers though, it aint their fault our coach is a lunatic!

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themull November 09, 2009 11:26 am

Anyways congrats to Tigers they beat South Africa...Sure its a second string team but beating any top national side with a club side is something to be proud of....

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Jim November 09, 2009 11:29 am

Proud resident of the UK here! As an educated rugby supporter (unlike our trolling friend Ken), I didn't take much out of the win. If they wanted to make these club vs country games meaningful, then book it like a test. Have the top 22 Boks play the top 22 Tigers and then, if the Tigers win, it'll be time to celebrate.

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Alain November 09, 2009 11:44 am

well done leicester..even tho im a huge bok fan,,im glad this happened

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Tiger's fan November 09, 2009 12:16 pm

Ben, RE: Pace of the game
What I said was I expected it to be fast and that SA would score a lot in the final 15/20. The fact that they didn't indicates that the game wasn't fast.

McBull; this was Leicester, not Leinster. Not Irish, not HC Champions and not our first choice team as much as the opposition weren't the real SA team.


I would love to see a proper Tigers team vs the real SA team but it'll never happen

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Kenny November 09, 2009 12:17 pm

Soz to burst your bubble nh fans but this match means as little as a barbarians match.

The only bubble burst was the bubble of arrogance from PDV for sending out an experiment that got "molested" by the second string tigers scrum and all over the loose as well.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 12:19 pm

Just spotted that now mcbull

"Ja, fake Boks is correct. Irish club and current HC champions if i am correct"

Leicester not leinster lol!!! hilariously wrong!!!

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Wessel November 09, 2009 12:38 pm

Well, I hope this is a lesson to us Saffas, in humility, not underestimating the opposition and choosing your best team.

This might be a blessing in disguise as the players that should have been there are now on their way.

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Lorcan November 09, 2009 12:38 pm

Fair play to the tigers, enjoy it.

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vinniechan November 09, 2009 12:39 pm

Let's not talk crap each other's team.
I think both sides got what they're after, especially giving the SA front row exposure. Scrummaging against Castro is perhaps the closest thing to scrummaging at Test level.
PDV should be pleased they managed to do so without playing a Test

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Andy November 09, 2009 12:43 pm

Are all South Africans complete nobheads or is it just a coincidence that it's just the one's using this site.

Just say well done, you sound like a bunch of girls. You've got a fantastic 1st choice team which you moron fans don't deserve. Do you realise that one of the things great about rugby is the fact that fans sit together and share great banter/drink together?

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mise November 09, 2009 12:47 pm

multiple postings of the same post really should be cleared out RD.

And it is eye opening to see the lack of graciousness from the South Africans on this result.
Have a bit of dignity and stop making excuses. Both teams were severely understrength, but one is an international team, and world champions.

And read Iceman!'s list of the actual Tiger's 1st 15 vs the team that played.

As for the four day excuse - everyone saying that probably laughed at the Lions fans;' making a similar 'not together that long' excuse during the summer. Pathetic.

get over it.

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McBull November 09, 2009 12:59 pm

"Ja, fake Boks is correct. Irish club and current HC champions if i am correct"

"Leicester not leinster lol!!! hilariously wrong!!!"

Quoted the wrong person, I wasn't the one who made a typo. Have a good day.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 1:01 pm

Guys i was really embarressed at Irelands performances in the WC07, they angered me.

What you are seeing from SA replies is the same, a mixture of anger and embarressment.

A team wearing the Springbok international jersey was well beaten by a clud side.

The springbok side that was fielded was nothing short of a disaster.

You can understand the fans anger but they need to be more gracious in defeat and not so boorish

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Bamberio November 09, 2009 1:37 pm

Don't take anything away from Leicester. They can only play the team that is put out in front of them and I think they did fantastically well, given that half their first team is either on international duty or keeping the doctor's surgery busy.

I'd also like to point out that Leeds Carnegie beat Leicester yesterday, and following the rules of conkers this must mean that Leeds are effectively World Champions now. Just a thought... :-)

http://studsonthe22.blogspot.com/

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Kenny November 09, 2009 1:39 pm

that was probably a fake leicester team like the fake boks team on friday night

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Madflyhalf November 09, 2009 1:39 pm

Castro Dio! Porcavacca che partita!!

Mi sa che arrivato il fratello Tuilagi tecnico... impressionante, e ha solo 18 anni!


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Castro is god! Holycows what match!!

I think it's now time for the "skilled" Tuilagi, amazing player @ only 18!!

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Harry November 09, 2009 1:45 pm

Gotta say - with some notable exceptions - the lack of graciousness from the Bok's fans is pathetic. There's no excuse - the Bok's 2nd/3rd choice team was beaten by the Tiger's 2nd/3rd choice team. Its not particularly shameful or meaningful - just accept that fact, congratulate the Tigers and move on. I mean you have by far the best 1st choice team in the world so I would have thought you could take this on the chin with some dignity rather than meaningless excuses and moaning.

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Maximus November 09, 2009 1:46 pm

Indeed Manu Tuilagi was very impressive.

Cant wait for Ryan Lamb to have to deal with 2 Tuilagi's and a Tuqiri soon! =)

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samitarugby November 09, 2009 1:47 pm

go castrogiovanni! awesome win.

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zacaria November 09, 2009 1:49 pm

oi i thought boks were the best in the world

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zacaria November 09, 2009 1:54 pm

and if we are talking about lack of motivation i think it is obvious that the boks had more to lose by LOSING than the tigers.

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RD November 09, 2009 1:56 pm

Lets keep things clean and respectful please. It's a massive waste of time having to trawl through here and remove comments. Time that could be spent posting more vids etc.

Please follow the guidelines or rather don't comment at all.

Thanks

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zacaria November 09, 2009 1:57 pm

its not like the boks have a good scrum anyway maybe this was just coaches legitimate attempt at a good scrum

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Nick November 09, 2009 2:06 pm

Why do the boks always laugh and say oh yeh typical england excuses excuses, when the english will field a side with numerous players who are unknown because of injuries and they lose. and then when they field a side that is below par, which is admittedly far from the full bok side they go off on one saying well the team was crap dont take much from it etc....

if you want to complain about your low quality team then accept it when others complain about their low quality teams!

and im not an england fan by the way!!!

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 2:13 pm

And if you read the posts on the highlights video, the england fans haven't been making excuses.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 2:22 pm

Am I the only one who is concerned about the levels of abuse that people posting on here seem to regularly hurl at each other?

I thought Rugby was about mutual respect and building new friendships not about political, racial or tribal sniping.

Why are so many of you so angry with each other?

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Scotsdale November 09, 2009 2:34 pm

^ because the ones who sling abuse are 14 years old, in general.

Take with a pinch of salt.

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rehanb November 09, 2009 2:55 pm

the thing that is aggravting is that the players that deserved to be called up were overlooked so that the quota's could be filled with players that aren't deserving of a high school starting XV, leicester outplayed them by far, and castro put guthro's head though his ass. Strange as it maybe if it weren't for earl rose we would have been worse and thats saying a lot!

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rehanb November 09, 2009 2:55 pm

the thing that is aggravting is that the players that deserved to be called up were overlooked so that the quota's could be filled with players that aren't deserving of a high school starting XV, leicester outplayed them by far, and castro put guthro's head though his ass. Strange as it maybe if it weren't for earl rose we would have been worse and thats saying a lot!

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rehanb November 09, 2009 2:55 pm

the thing that is aggravting is that the players that deserved to be called up were overlooked so that the quota's could be filled with players that aren't deserving of a high school starting XV, leicester outplayed them by far, and castro put guthro's head though his ass. Strange as it maybe if it weren't for earl rose we would have been worse and thats saying a lot!

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JuiCe November 09, 2009 2:56 pm

I am a proud Bok Supporter and some bok fans on here should not come on here but i have to say other ppl on here are looking to drag out SA supporters into a fight so for me from both sides it is bad commenting and dont try and drag me along with the other bok supporters on here i wouldn't go so low thanks.

Congrats to Leicester!

Now another thing i have to say is the only reason i am mad is about our coach, as a supporter i hate our team when they make it political(no sour grapes) i am just explaining how frustrating it is to see politics affect our loved sport anyway congrats again Leicester.

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Craig November 09, 2009 3:17 pm

As a Bok supporter, Well done leicester! It was very frustrating to watch, just because we did not play well and did not deserve to win, but at least it was edge of the seat stuff. And will go down in folklore, as it deserves to.

But .. I am not that sad about it. It has given Pdv the opportunity to blood some young talent, so that two years down the line they will be ready to step up to the big stage. A player learns more in a match he loses than in one he wins. In years to come we will have to thank Castro, because he taught our tight five something that no coach can duplicate in training.

Guys Stop the mudslinging, not needed, we are not football supporters.

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Solitude November 09, 2009 3:46 pm

I just want to apologise for my fellow South Africans. They are angry because of political selections. Though that should not stop them from being gracious in defeat.

Leicester beat us fair and square. Their scrum is unbelievable! Well done Tigers!

I have a feeling that we are going to lose against France as well. Jean de Villiers and Frans Steyn played pivotal roles in the team and they aren't there anymore.

I hope I am wrong though.

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David November 09, 2009 4:01 pm

Looking at the Tigers side, only Mauger, Hamilton and Castro would be in the first XV if everyone is fit. They didn't even have a recognised fly-half on the pitch!

I appreciate that this wasn't a first-choice side for the tourists, but once you pull on the national jersey you become a Springbok.

A full-strength South Africa are the best team on the planet at the moment bar none, but you can't start claiming that this lot are "fake springboks". Grow up.

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No.7 November 09, 2009 4:06 pm

Is there a bunch of SA, nay, SH supporters on here, along with a bunch of NH supporters who would like to sit back and enjoy class players from each side of the equator and enjoy some rugby regardless of whether or not the team you support wins or loses (obv everyone wants the team they support to win...) but you know what i mean...

so i dunno, im getting worn out from all the abusive comments...face it, South africa lost to leicester...top notch leicester team, crap SA team or vice versa, it doesnt matter, in the books its leicester wins. Eng lost to Oz, same applies above, it doesnt matter what team was fielded in the books Aus win!...

So yeh, does anyone on here agree they just want to see good rugby and dont want to hear crap bitching on the net?

i hope anybody replies positively to this!

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Phil November 09, 2009 4:28 pm

No.7, I guess you could just watch the videos and not read the threads?

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No.7 November 09, 2009 4:30 pm

umm why do you say that phil?

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GOD November 09, 2009 4:30 pm

be gracious in both defeat and victory.

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No.7 November 09, 2009 4:31 pm

sorry phil, i misread.... yeh i could do, but actually appreciating players with other people is more interesting!

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 4:32 pm

No.7 - Totally agree! I want to see good rugby regardless of the team and I want to see fans treating each other with respect

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RD November 09, 2009 4:32 pm

Okay, comment police on the way. Don't be surprised if yours gets removed. Show some common sense and respect the guidelines, or move on please. Thanks.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 4:38 pm

well said

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 4:41 pm

This wasn't South Africa's second team, it was a way to get the quota players some game time so the idiots in government would back off slightly. It's a valid excuse.

Undeserving players embarrassing themselves is funny. I'm glad they lost.

This'll be forgotten after SA put 50 on Ireland at Croak Park.

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Wessel November 09, 2009 4:43 pm

Castro certainly made mince meat of our scrum, but in the long run he has done SA rugby a massive favour.

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Ted November 09, 2009 5:00 pm

I don't know much about the quota system in SA but it seems a bit silly if it results in second/third/fourth-string games like this.

Has anything got anything positive to say about the quota system? Or a better idea to ensure a more diverse racial mix in the SA squad?

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 5:17 pm

not a tigers fan far from it but il take my hat of to them missing 13 players and still managed to beat the boks. bok fans i no you will say back to this comment that you guys were missing players but your world cup winners try nation winners and lions tour winners your not going to bring a bunch of muggs over with you are you ?


end of the day its not the players you beat its the team and tigers beat world champions.
CONGRATULATIONS TIGERS

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Ireland for WC 2011 November 09, 2009 5:33 pm

ireland almost losing to georgia was TWO YEARS AGO.it was an exhausted team who,for some reason,had been put through an extremely tough training camp before the world cup by eddie o sullivan. get over it people,you cant keep bringing it up forever

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 5:45 pm

Can i point out yes it was a 2nd string boks but tigers had manu tualangi in the cntres hus only 18 fresh out of the academy and one of their locks was only 19

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Wessel November 09, 2009 6:21 pm

For what it is worth, SA rugby journalist Keo on the match.

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Jonno November 09, 2009 6:33 pm

Haha, the bokke got smashed by the tigers development with a few first team playeds! yeah, there was an obstruction for the leicester try, but hamilton was pulled back when he was trying to take the high ball that lead up to the bokke try. maybe if we have the first team bokke and the first team tigers we can beat you again, but then agaun, whats the point, you'll only dig up more excuses. TTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGEEEERRRRSSSSSS!
TTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGEEEERRRRSSSSSS!
TTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGEEEERRRRSSSSSS!

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Scotty November 09, 2009 6:45 pm

Castrogiovanni - Italian, great game

Marcos Ayerza - ARG, thumped bok front row

Aaron Mauger - NZ, good tactical kicking

Johne Murphy - Irish, some good running with ball in hand

Manu Tuilagi - Samoan, very strong

Lucas Amorosino - Italian, try scorer

Anyone sensing a pattern?
Can count the number of english players in this team on one hand.

Looking forward to Ireland vs Boks. Gonna be a good game

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Abs7 November 09, 2009 6:46 pm

wow that was a pretty awesome result.. well done tigers.

who was in the boks team?

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Kearney for tests November 09, 2009 6:51 pm

Oh Jesus, somebody actually made a comment about how Ireland narrowly beat Georgia at the World Cup, as if that actually has any bearing on what's to come. If you're going to do that then you could say that Ireland comfortably beat SA in 2006, or that England won the World Cup 6 years ago. They however have no relevance either.

Well done Tigers. A 2nd string Tigers team beat a 2nd/3rd string SA team. I don't know why so many South Africans on here won't accept that. And the fact that they're always making comments about being a master-race who are genetically superior rugby players, and now saying that second string players can't be expected to be good enough to beat a depleted club side, means that they're complete hypocrites.

I can't wait for this weekend's matches.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 6:58 pm

Er Scotty that might be because they're all on international duty or injured... Ridiculous

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Maximus November 09, 2009 7:30 pm

Can count the number of english players in this team on one hand.

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Andrew Forsythe, Manu Tuilagi (qualified), Ben Youngs, Calum Green, Dan Hemingway, Geoff Parling, Brett Deacon, George Chuter, Dan Cole, Tom Armes, James Grindal, Greig Tonks.

With Deacon, Croft, Moody, Crane and Hipkiss with England. And Also Ben Kay, Toby Flood, Sam Vesty, Anthony Allen, Julian White, Tom Youngs, Harry Ellis and Matt Smith unavailable for whatever reason.

I ran out of fingers...

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Shaft November 09, 2009 8:20 pm

Why is it that 5 stupid South Africans, and 5 stupid Irish can tarnish the reputation of ALL from those country, in some of your eyes?? That's ridiculous. Some kid who comes on here and comments, perhaps with his mates doing the same, will influence the way you think about a country? Come on.

Think a little further.. and as someone said, take things with a pinch of salt. Some are saying 'Saffas are wankers' or 'Irish are losers' etc, based on a few comments made by a few as*hole individuals. It also seems that the GOOD, gracious, humble comments (for which there are actually many), get overlooked and don't affect your perceptions. Pity that.

You wouldn't say some of this stuff to the persons face, to don't say it here.

Everyone also seems to overlook the highlights that have been provided to us for free. Not many 'thanks' going around, just bitching at each other.

Rant over. cheers

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TJ November 09, 2009 8:46 pm

guys ima brit and a huge tigers fan but comon even I can see how much this match meant to south africa.

never heard of some of these players they put out.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 9:00 pm

the team was fielded as the sa 1st team in other words the boks, and the tigers had academy players in,
ok so a weak SA team but still the cream of the curry cup, and a weak tigers team with junior players playing and some of the bench guys have never played a premiership game, one plays national one,

i love the way all the SA people are making excuses, just face the fact you lost to a weak tigers team,

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Bill November 09, 2009 9:09 pm

This is a ridiculous Boks team.
It's sad but it quite obviously is a team of players undeserving of the jersey for the most part.
There's quite a few guys in there who can't even get a game for their Currie Cup sides, who don't get a look in at all in the S14, yet they're turning out for South Africa?
I applaud SA for trying to make rugby a more inclusive game and introducing the game more and more to the majority in SA, but surely that doesn't mean you start selecting sub-standard players for the national team, just because of the color of their skin.
That's what has happened in this game, and look what happens.
Taking nothing away from Leicester, great game and a strong team. As a SH supporter it's really interesting to see this big European clubs with players from so many different countries.

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Wickus November 09, 2009 10:06 pm

I'm a massive Bok fan, never miss a game. Ever.

But when I saw the players in that team the day before the game, I rolled my eyes and decided to not even get up to watch it.

Put things in perspective here, the Captain was Chiliboy. A player who by next year will be 3rd choice hooker at the Bulls (thanks to Gary Botha returning)

Chiliboy has played 63 minutes of international rugby from 15 test matches.

They simply bring him on in the last 2 minutes to make up the black players numbers, so when the Minister of Sport and Anti Racism fast forwards through the match on his tape, he can see that the REQUIRED amount of black players were selected.

So this was the teams captain, says a lot... doesn't it?

Amazing actually, that the Boks are still the best in the world, despite all these set backs.

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Tian November 09, 2009 10:09 pm

Boring game between two nothing XVs. Sure Leicester should be thrilled at beating a 'national' side albeit with a farcical selection.

As for the real rugby and real team, the upcoming tests should erase any memories of this debacle. England should thank their lucky stars that they don't have to play the Bokke. Especially considering the hiding they caught last year and the fact that the SA side has improved since then.

I'm pretty sure that trolls like Kenny will melt away as the real results start coming in.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 10:16 pm

They did something similar with this side before the Boks won the Lions tour. This side only beat a Namibian outfit (who, admittedly had Derick Hougaard and a few others) by 36 points...

Not a B side, a c side.

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Kenny November 09, 2009 10:41 pm

"I'm pretty sure that trolls like Kenny will melt away as the real results start coming in."

Nope Tian i wont melt away but hopefully you might grow up..

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Kenny November 09, 2009 10:59 pm

Please explain why you think I am a troll Tian according to your statement??

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nicko November 09, 2009 11:04 pm

Right wing for the tigers showed some real class.

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Anonymous November 09, 2009 11:07 pm

This is not a huge surprise... Munster almost did it to us last year!

Shit happens when you throw B teams against great Rugby Clubs.

As if the Bok even care anyway, it was a chance to blood some young players.

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Wickus November 09, 2009 11:09 pm

Ugghhh... the jealous NH fans are at it again, give it a break chaps... you lost the Lions tour... get over it, jeez.

I guess when you're number one you'll always get the jealous fans trying to bring you down...

This particular bok XV could have lost by 70 points, I wouldn't care.

The real Bok team has achieved every important thing there is to achieve.

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Bill November 10, 2009 12:35 am

Owen there was maybe three or four players in that XV who would play for the South African side, though it'd usually be off the bench.
There were players in that team who can't even get starting spots at their Currie Cup sides. They were in the team for political reasons.
Well done to Leicester though, they can only play what's in front of them, and they are a very strong club team.

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Huh!! the 3rd November 10, 2009 1:00 am

Now just because I'm an Irish fan doesn't mean I think we'll beat SA. It will be close however. But I do have to laugh as some saffas on here think they're going to win by 40/50. I mean at least have a realistic score like by 10/15. The biggest win SA had over Ire was in 1912, 38 nil, then in '98 (when Ire were at their lowest ebb ever) it was 33 nil in Pretoria. I hope its a great game, but I really only see a 1 score game. It was only 7 years ago Eng put 50?? odd on you. Things change, SA are No.1 for good reason, but last year with exactly the same team minus Steyn they weren't. Next year, who knows, ABs again, France?

A point no one has made, but hinted at, is like every other International team, if SA don't have their best players out of course they are vulnerable. Please accept that. ABs without Carter and McCaw, Aus without Gits and Stirlo and Sharpe and Barnes and Elsom and so on. And yes, SA without Matfield, Smit, du Preez, etc, etc.

Some of the insults on here are pure gutter and I hope RD does start deleting them to show how welcome they are. But that's censorship and even though some Artards (thank you South Park) can't express an opinion they do and will continue to. S'laters!

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JuiCe November 10, 2009 1:20 am

As i am a South African and proud to be one please stop generalizing please on both side, as i haven't generalized by saying poms or Irish, when i speak i answer the person who i am trying to reply to and i would sagest the kids on here do the same or don't post please.

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jp November 10, 2009 2:14 am

From the biggest bok fan : Congrats Tigers,you guys have the right to boast about the result.

To The vegetable (pieter de villiers).you are a moron for humiliating such a proud rugby nation.What were you thinking ??????????????????
damned imbicil

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 2:18 am

huh!!! the 3rd,

2008 the springboks were actually very different to this side... they just got rid of the rubbish players.

No Conrad at fullback, Mujati, Britz, Adi Jacobs, Luke Watson, bekker was getting more game time last year, RICKY JANUARIE, Cj, guthro, Butch James, Joe van niekerk, nokwe.... the list goes on.

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Jess from UK November 10, 2009 5:10 am

"To The vegetable (pieter de villiers).you are a moron for humiliating such a proud rugby nation.What were you thinking ??????????????????
damned imbicil"

Racism?

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JoseCtesArg November 10, 2009 6:19 am

Scotty, Amorosino (full name: Lucas Gonzlez Amorosino) is argentine, not italian... He has a couple of months in England

BTW: Leicester fan, congratulations. You have real talent with Lucas, he hasn a bright future in the rugby world

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Robert November 10, 2009 7:45 am

Strong performances from Castrogiovanni, Mauger, Tuquiri, Amorosino and Tuilagi.

This South African side very young and very green. I think we have to make the distinction between them and the senior side very clear.

But they weren't all bad. Some nice touches from De Jongh, Johnson and Heini Adams.

Good experience for them.

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Dave November 10, 2009 8:16 am

Jess from UK, what's racist about calling someone an imbecile? lol

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Dan November 10, 2009 8:25 am

this is pathetic. if you lose a game for your country, you lose a game. it doesn't matter what string side it was.

if the all blacks had lost to munster it would have been a fair win over an all black team.

don't devalue it by claiming anything less. congratulations leicester.

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reddi November 10, 2009 8:27 am

JoseCtesArg, I may be mistaken, but I believe Castrogiovanni was born in Argentina as well....or maybe I'm just generalizing in thinking that so many Italians are Argentines as well (and vice versa).

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 9:01 am

To those decent fellow Bok fans, trying to explain the political involvement which surrounds rugby in our country to a non-south african is pointless, nobody outside of SA can understand the extreme extent politicians get involved in our beautiful game....Lucky for all other countries that they do not have this 'involvement' but then none of them have our history..so I guess we just have to grin & bare it!!! All I'm chuffed about is the fact that pdivvy chose the mid-week game to meet the politicians needs instead of Fridays game ( well, fingers crossed because I don't think the team for fri has been announced as yet...but here's hoping!)

Well done to the tigers, played alot better than us and deserved to win. NO EXCUSES!!!

GO THE BOKS FOR THIS FRI!

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McBull November 10, 2009 9:31 am

Was only called sprinboks because they wanted to sell more ticket and get higher ratings. But whatever makes you sleep at night.

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 11:05 am

excuses,excuses and more excuses...... SA got beat,congrats to leicester on a good win and to the SA fans,be gracious in defeat and stop whinging that your "superhero side" wasnt playing,you are still world champs and dont talk about blowing things out of proportion,rembember all that justice for bakkies crap?

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Kenny November 10, 2009 11:06 am

Was only called sprinboks because they wanted to sell more ticket and get higher ratings. But whatever makes you sleep at night.

More like whatever makes you sleep at night McBull happy with the thoght that it was a fake bunch of springboks getting run over by castro and mefin davies!!!!

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RD November 10, 2009 11:17 am

Kenny, you know there's a saying about those who argue on the internet..

Please stop provoking arguments. If you want discussion, banter, and mature debate, rather join the forum.

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Kenny November 10, 2009 11:27 am

sure will RD apologies mate

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 2:51 pm

Its a little frustrating looking at the blatant SA comments about running out a poor team etc etc. The tigers didn't have their best out there either. Just man up and take the loss will you, stop whinging.

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Robert November 10, 2009 3:09 pm

This was a development match. Many of those players are 20 years old or younger with very few caps for their respective provinces.

Keep that in perspective, guys.

They may be Springboks in the future, but for now, they are a development team.

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 3:33 pm

Anon above says its frustrating that SA fans say the reason the y lost is bacuase of a poor team and then straight away another SA fan reminds us straight after that the SA team is "developing"

You just cant win!!!!!

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 4:09 pm

Lions couldn't beat South Africa A. They almost lost to a few of the provincial sides, including the Royal 15.

Doesn't mean much, wasn't their best team.

Same case here.

Grow up NH.

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Anonymous November 10, 2009 4:16 pm

yeah and every time they ALMOST lost you guys were there to shout the taunts, just go back and look at commenst section for each game.

thing like the boks are gonna put 50 on you guys yada yada

Now the shoe is on the other foot and your all giving it those old chestnuts

"we only had 4 days"

"its our development side"

"its for anti-racism"

"the dog ate my homework"

"the bus never showed up"

Pull the other leg will ya

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Wessel November 10, 2009 4:19 pm

David Campese on the match -

"Over in England and watched the so-called Springboks lose to Leicester and oh my word what a reality check for Peter de Villiers, the players and South African rugby!

Im afraid De Villiers is away with the fairies saying that there was something good to be taken from what was a comprehensive and embarrassing defeat.

He cant pass the buck on this one. He/they (whoever actually selects the team?) picked a lot of guys who are just not up to it and paid the price.

As the head coach De Villiers should be accepting responsibility and acknowledging the real reasons for a pathetic display.

South African rugby toes the government line on the make-up of their squads and the upshot is that some guys get into the team who just dont deserve to be there.

In fact, respect for opponents and honest selection seems to be a bit of problem in the Springboks set-up at the moment. Their season almost came unstuck because of some ill-considered substitutions and they dont seem to have learnt the lessons they should have from picking an under-strength team in the third Test against the Lions and getting whipped.

The one thing I hope they did learn is what it means to be the world champions.

Its something we learnt when we won in 1991 and the Boks better get used to it quickly when youre the world champions you dont have the luxury of being anything else.

No matter what side you pick theyre the world champions and any team youre playing will be doubly motivated to knock off the world champions.

So when you go in half-baked and under-strength like the Boks did youre putting that status on the line and if you lose everyone will be crowing.

Thats certainly how it was reported over here in England. No-one talked about South Africa team building, no-one talked about new players being blooded, no-one talked about South Africa having to satisfy race quotas, they simply said that the Leicester Tigers had achieved one of their greatest triumphs by beating the world champion Springboks."

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Kenny November 10, 2009 4:42 pm

Just read the article and here is 1 of the 2 comments on the article, both of which are heavily criticle of campese's "negative" stance.

"The only thing negative about rugby Mr Campese sir, is you. I have never in my entire life heard such a whinger and winer go on week in and week out about how he won the world cup in 91 and how the game is gone backward and how the IRB this and Australia that and whinge, wine, whinge, wine, whinge, wine... I admired you on the rugby field and yes you were a fantastic player, but pleeze accept that the game has moved in a different direction and your beloved Wobblies just cannot get to grips with the changes. They will find their feet at some stage and until then, be patient and graceful and above all remain a true ambassador of the game by making positive contributions as opposed to this negativity that you are churning out. C'mon David, your'e better than that."

And a brief summary of the other longer comment

What would you do , throw the players in against the French and Irish staright away. That was wahat the mid week games were for Campo. Come on Sir , you cannot be that naive that thats what the large squad was chosen for and the extra games added.

Comments please......

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The Fuzz November 10, 2009 5:05 pm

chickennoodlesoup boy,

I like that idea! Rugby should definitely have an end-of-season "All-Star Match" where the best players in a league (as defined by some voting mechanism) form two teams and play for a ....

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Wessel November 10, 2009 5:26 pm

Kenny, I would not entirely agree with Campese, but do remember that he coached the Sharks backline, so Campese knows the South African quota system, which applies to provincial sides as well, too well.

The reason I say I don't entirely agree with Campese is that Rallepele clearly is a qouta (Not one of the top 3 hookers in the country). But besides him only Adams (the 9) would be considered one. (Also not in the top 3 number 9's)

Steenkamp is considered a merit selection and a legitimate back-up to the Boks (although some would argue he should never have replaced the likes of CJ Van der Linde and that he too was chosen to make up numbers for parliaments sports committee).

Du Plessis, the other prop is white, so clearly can not be called a quota. Yet he too had his ass handed to him on a plate. Quite a few other merit players did not have good days at the office. And Earl Rose, widely considered inconsistent and not up to it, played well.

So the picture is complicated. South African teams often has this problem, (Odwa Ndugane is not SA's 3rd choice wing by a long shot and gets chosen when Habana or Pietersen is not there) but in this particular game it was not as big a factor as some would have it.

Leicester did well.

As I said before I have a sneaky suspicion it will do SA well, as it will strengthen the hand of those that want to keep the politicos out of sport.

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kio November 10, 2009 9:17 pm

YES!!! WE BEAT A TEAM WITH EARL ROSE IN IT!

We're the best!!! YES!!! CELEBRATE!!! Just live we NH fans celebrate when we beat fiji! YES!!!

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Jon November 10, 2009 11:21 pm

Kenny, I'm not having a go at you mate, but it's pretty clear from your comments that you know very little about South African rugby.
Which is fair enough, it's not your country.
But this team had a large number of players who were selected purley because they are not white.
But that's neither here nor there for Leicester. Well played to them, a very strong side.

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jp November 11, 2009 12:23 am

To jess from the UK.

how can you call me a racist hey?

i said PDV is a vegetable and a imbicil coz of the selections he made a because of his priorities.
I have never made a comment about his his skin colour,and never will.
please open your eyes buddy.

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Anonymous November 11, 2009 2:28 am

They weren't even wearing the Bok uniform. Jokes on you, NH!!!

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Jess November 11, 2009 2:33 am

Such hatred towards a man you don't know personally. If you read between the lines, like I did, it's blatantly obvious you're a, well, you know.

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Anonymous November 11, 2009 7:36 am

^^^^

Jess is a retard.

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Jon November 11, 2009 7:46 am

Jess, he's most certainly not the first person to call PDV an imbicile and an idiot. That certainly doesn't make him racist, puts him in pretty esteemed company really.
And there's nothing abnormal about having anger towards your national team's coach, that doesn't make him racist either.
So don't call him one, no point mate.
To be fair to PDV though, it's not his bloody fault about the selection criteria, he's been made to have a certain number of non-white players in his team, come hell or high water. Any SA national team coach is faced with the exact same requirement.
In fact I'd say PDV and White before him have done very well to balance the desire for the Springboks to be more inclusive and to stay winning. Last time I checked they were the best team in the world.
This game against Leicester was too much, a ridiculous selection because many of the players can't even get selected for their clubs, so shouldn't be anywhere near the national team.
But it was really just a money making exercise anyway and a chance for fringe players to have a run.

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Anonymous November 11, 2009 9:28 am

Everyone's talking about an under strength SA side but nobody has mentioned that Leicester had 3/4th team out and no recognised fly half. Surely SA's 3/4th choice should be better than little old Leicesters 3/4th choice.

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Kenny November 11, 2009 9:29 am

jon,

I admit I know sweet FA about SA rugby so the racism numbers thing had me scratching my head because the way i saw it with a test game even a midweek one, play a competetive first or second team.

It is quite obvious that some politics come into it here alright, but at the same time im only commenting on the game i watched not what goes on behind the scenes.

And Jess PDV is a clown, the ballet comment about gouging and than picking not just a second string team but what looks like a joke team......he has alot of egg in his face lately.

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Robert November 11, 2009 11:44 am

Kenny,

It is very frustrating for us too. The best thing in the world would be to have our best represent us.

At least the first team will be in action this weekend.

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Anonymous November 11, 2009 11:59 am

All I know is the over rated springbok jersey got beaten by an injury prone tigers squad... nicely done saffas, now we know. Bok power my arse

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Kenny November 11, 2009 12:14 pm

yep Robert, should be a great game on Friday n like Campese said ill rutting for the french but i reckon the champs will shade it by 7. Should be a great game though!!

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Jot November 11, 2009 4:35 pm

In response to anonymous comment above regarding SA being over rated.

We have just won a number of major competitions, World Champions, Super 14, Tri Nations, Lions series.... Must count for something. Idiot!!

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Huh!! the 3rd November 11, 2009 9:29 pm

While I understand the nature of where SA both as a country and team are coming from and what they have to deal with, they don't own the rights to discrimination in sport. Remember what SA did wasn't out of place in a lot of Western countries at the same time, all American sports and even British soccer. People hated Ali because not only was he black, but because he spoke his mind, said he was the best and called himself pretty. An intelligent African American telling a mostly white audience he was handsome!!

Take for example the history of Irish rugby. How many Catholics play rugby for Ulster? I could probably answer that one. I'm not Catholic by the way and all Irish are the same race. So it isn't as evident, but none the less, real.

Prior to the '07 WC Ireland played Italy in Belfast and the anger from a section of Ulster fans and ex players, not to mention MPs and politicians still hasn't quietened over the IRFUs refusal to play 'God Save the Queen' as the Irish home anthem, they didn't play the Republic anthem either. Imagine the uproar in the Republic (as the team that played had 2 Northern player starting, Rory Best and Andrew Trimble) if they had to see their team stand to that after having English rule for so long. Devolution would have ended right there and then and the paramilitaries would've been back in force. An exaggeration, well they did discuss it in Westminster and it doesn't take much for those scumbag murderers to re-arm.

There has always been a belief that Ulster players had to be included in teams even if the players weren't up to it (something I don't believe, but others do, Ulster have contributed some of the greatest players not only in Irish but world rugby) to keep the province happy.

Like some Boks have stated here, while 1 or 2 were quota, Johnsen, and others are there on merit.

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Anonymous November 12, 2009 12:15 am

get over this already. Nh suck so you have to take any sort of win and celebrate it for 4 weeks. losers.

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Anonymous November 12, 2009 1:18 am

Does anyone know how much Tuilagi weighs??

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JoseCtesArg November 12, 2009 5:45 am

Reddi, Castrogiovanni was born in Argentina, but now is Italian, like lots of rugbiers in our country. Many of them were capped in the Italian rugby team

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Castrogiovanni

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Anonymous November 12, 2009 9:51 am

This topic is so over, everyone jsut go away and leave it

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Jonno November 12, 2009 8:08 pm

Lmao, you really cant accept that you lost can you

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Anonymous November 12, 2009 8:57 pm

Lmao, jonno is this your yearly celebration? well done you beat a c grade bok side. its something like 23 games won to 2 games lost for the SH since the world cup.

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Bakkies Botha is my November 13, 2009 5:58 am

Real Boks, 90
Tigers, 3

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Anonymous November 13, 2009 2:40 pm

What about Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino?. I used to play with him in Pucara (an Argentine Rugby team). He is really talented.

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Anonymous November 13, 2009 7:10 pm

I don't give a S**T!!!
The Proper Boks 22 are the best in the world so I couldn't care what anyone says.
I'm not gonna read all these comments but judging from what I have read people are saying Leicester side was also weak, true but they are still team mates who have played with each other and no each others game where as the dirt tracker side was made up of people from completely different teams put together 4 days before a match. If that Bok team practiced for 3 weeks and played a warm up game or two (as well as the leicester team) That boks side would have smashed them. Not to mention the boks should have won because that leicester try was rediculous (forward pass and obstruction) even though in all honesty the leicester forwards played WAY better but not their backs... wow their backs where kak most boring rugby I've seen and that tuilagi must either make some ground or pass because to me he was useless just got involed alot...

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Anonymous November 13, 2009 7:55 pm

Earl Rose is horrible, PdV has no clue what hes doing.

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