Monday, November 30, 2009
Argentina snatch victory over Scotland with a late dropgoal
Scotland had hoped for a clean sweep of their Autumn Internationals, after they had beaten Fiji, then Australia in successive weeks.
Phil Godman kicked two penalties to give Scotland a first half lead, but it was Argentinas Martin Rodriguez who kicked two of his own in the second half, then clinched victory for the visitors with a late dropgoal.
The scalp of Argentina, third place at the 2007 World Cup, would have meant a dream start for coach Andy Robinson. Former Captain Jason White believes that Robinson will make huge changes for Scottish rugby.
"I have worked under four Scotland regimes in my nine or so years on the Test scene - at the start there was Ian McGeechan with Jim Telfer and then Matt Williams followed by Frank Hadden, he said.
"Now Andy is the man in charge and his approach is completely different to all the others. He and his management team are doing things his way and I believe it is the right way.
Okay we lost, which was hugely disappointing. But the bottom line is that we do have an excellent squad of coaches, managers and players at the moment.
"I'm convinced that two wins out of three spells out that we have the makings of a bright future.
Argentina played a far better game in the second half, and combined with errors and a sending off from the home side, got themselves in a position to win the match.
"We lost against England playing well but with some mistakes. Then we didn't play well against Wales," coach Santiago Phelan said.
"This game was very important for us. To get a good result is very important for the continuity of this team."
Time: 07:21
Posted at 7:37 pm | 47 comments
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Anonymous November 30, 2009 7:48 pm
Ouch that hurts for Scotland, being beaten by a team with 80% amateur players...
What's happening to you guys??
What's happening to you guys??
mise November 30, 2009 7:55 pm
'highlights?' and the commentators said, twice, that it was now a good match. Wow. Rugby can be reaaally trench warfare like at times.
H Macfadden November 30, 2009 7:56 pm
I don't think Hines can really complain about that card - looked more like a WWF move...
And I'd love to know what was said to Lamont in the video analysis after he didn't give that pass - would have been a guaranteed try. Ah well.
And to the anon. above, please post a name so we can respond. Yes, you guys had a weakened team, but you also came 3rd in the last RWC, whilst Scotland came a lot lower, so we're definitely on the up. You guys?
And I'd love to know what was said to Lamont in the video analysis after he didn't give that pass - would have been a guaranteed try. Ah well.
And to the anon. above, please post a name so we can respond. Yes, you guys had a weakened team, but you also came 3rd in the last RWC, whilst Scotland came a lot lower, so we're definitely on the up. You guys?
Kearney for tests November 30, 2009 8:44 pm
My God does Thom Evans not realise that if you want to get passed to, you have to be behind the ball carrier? He scored have scored a try near the start if he didn't completely overrun Lamont.
And why wasn't Contepomi playing? He's not injured anymore.
And why wasn't Contepomi playing? He's not injured anymore.
YankeeRugger76 November 30, 2009 8:51 pm
Scotland, please score a try
Cheers from Connecticut, U.S.A
Cheers from Connecticut, U.S.A
creggs08 November 30, 2009 8:53 pm
did scotland run the ball today or was it defend kick defend kick??
sam November 30, 2009 8:58 pm
i was so angry at scotland, we can do so much better but for some reason as soon as our players hit international games they forget basic tactics needed to create space. we can do so much better and i hope it comes in the 6 nations
Ireland for WC 2011 November 30, 2009 9:11 pm
@creggs08
so you're basically asking if they used south african tactics?lol!!!
not really,scotland did try to play running rugby at times,but are limited in the backline, and can only do so much.unlike SA,who have the backs to cause serious damage but dont use them
so you're basically asking if they used south african tactics?lol!!!
not really,scotland did try to play running rugby at times,but are limited in the backline, and can only do so much.unlike SA,who have the backs to cause serious damage but dont use them
Scotsdale November 30, 2009 9:44 pm
^ cheapshot much? Coming from the Baa Baas of the north ;)
Bit of a reality check for Scotland I guess, although a strong Argies side would normally beat them by more I'd think.
I find scorelines like this so unappealing though. Can you blame it all on the weather? BRILLIANT defence, or just lack of creativity and attacking prowess?
Hate to say it, but I'd choose the 'bad tackling' of the Super 14 over this any day.
Hopefully the Six Nations livens up a bit and teams attack more. These few weeks have been dire by pretty much all involved.
Bit of a reality check for Scotland I guess, although a strong Argies side would normally beat them by more I'd think.
I find scorelines like this so unappealing though. Can you blame it all on the weather? BRILLIANT defence, or just lack of creativity and attacking prowess?
Hate to say it, but I'd choose the 'bad tackling' of the Super 14 over this any day.
Hopefully the Six Nations livens up a bit and teams attack more. These few weeks have been dire by pretty much all involved.
Dave November 30, 2009 9:55 pm
"did scotland run the ball today or was it defend kick defend kick??"
Well creggs shows how much you are really interested in the game, and how much you just want to flair up complaints and arguments....
the game happened on saturday you knob!
Well creggs shows how much you are really interested in the game, and how much you just want to flair up complaints and arguments....
the game happened on saturday you knob!
mfsa7 November 30, 2009 9:57 pm
Murrayfield is going to be a difficult place to go get a win in the 6 nations despite the argentina result.
Did really well against Oz. Just need to pick up their game for every match, not just the big ones (no offence to argentina intended)
Did really well against Oz. Just need to pick up their game for every match, not just the big ones (no offence to argentina intended)
Anonymous November 30, 2009 10:10 pm
I cant understand the second comment at all, 80% amateur wtf! Argentina have many times more rugby players than scotland, shit Fiji have more rugby players than us (learns ur facts) And whats happened to us?.. erm we just lost to a last minute drop goal in a match that we totally dominated..after winning the last two matches including beating australia. Something no other NH team has done! Methinks you were looking for someone to bite. Well there you are ... Muuunnnchh!!! PS. well done argentina...good game, dont mind losing to you, I assume it wasnt a Pumas fan that made that comment, you are good guys :)
Phil November 30, 2009 10:33 pm
Why was a penalty awarded when the 2 players contested for the air ball??
Kearney for tests November 30, 2009 10:53 pm
Phil it's because Lobbe touched it and knocked it on and another Argetine came from an offside position and touched it. If someone on your team knocks it on, you have to have been behind that player if you want to then touch it.
Chris November 30, 2009 10:54 pm
Phil
Fernandez Lobbe was deemed to have knocked the ball on and therefore when one of his teammates played the ball in front of him he was offside and penalised.
Fair play to Argentina, not very inventive with every planned move involving an up and under, but enough to take the win from us. Good luck playing in the tri-nations...
Fernandez Lobbe was deemed to have knocked the ball on and therefore when one of his teammates played the ball in front of him he was offside and penalised.
Fair play to Argentina, not very inventive with every planned move involving an up and under, but enough to take the win from us. Good luck playing in the tri-nations...
H Macfadden November 30, 2009 11:50 pm
To be honest, on the form of the autumn internationals, the 6N could be fascinating.
England show the usual ability to avoid a whitewash without ever actually playing good rugby, thus keeping MJ in position for at least a little while longer.
Scotland finally believe that they can win matches, and even look like they could score tries if they remembered the basics. At least we've got the players, unlike the last ten years or so.
Ireland just keep winning, but without the runaway scorelines that would lead me to bet on them for another grand slam.
France are superb one week against SA and then pretty poor the next against the ABs. Same old France, you never know which one will turn up.
Wales again look like they're on their way down, but you can never write the Taffs off.
Hell, apparently the Eye-Ties played some good rugby as well.
England show the usual ability to avoid a whitewash without ever actually playing good rugby, thus keeping MJ in position for at least a little while longer.
Scotland finally believe that they can win matches, and even look like they could score tries if they remembered the basics. At least we've got the players, unlike the last ten years or so.
Ireland just keep winning, but without the runaway scorelines that would lead me to bet on them for another grand slam.
France are superb one week against SA and then pretty poor the next against the ABs. Same old France, you never know which one will turn up.
Wales again look like they're on their way down, but you can never write the Taffs off.
Hell, apparently the Eye-Ties played some good rugby as well.
Anonymous December 01, 2009 1:31 am
To H Macfadden
regarding the 6N...Italy is stonger than Scotland ...and it has also fair chances to beat Wales and England.
regarding the 6N...Italy is stonger than Scotland ...and it has also fair chances to beat Wales and England.
Ricky G December 01, 2009 1:39 am
I really miss the try savers and rib breakers that rugby dump used to post.
Please Rugby dump I need a new one so as to watch it before the matches, I already know the old ones by heart.
Please Rugby dump I need a new one so as to watch it before the matches, I already know the old ones by heart.
Anonymous December 01, 2009 1:47 am
It's a good point - I like the highlights, but I can watch them on iPlayer. What makes this site stand out are the big hits and fights...
Anonymous December 01, 2009 1:55 am
Wow, anti-rugby.
This kind of game should be taken out back and shit.
This kind of game should be taken out back and shit.
rickety cricket December 01, 2009 2:07 am
Nathan Hines was involved in some off-the-ball afters and was carded for a dangerous tackle?
Why, oh why, am I not surprised?
I thought he did rather well to defend against OZ without getting into scuffles - especially given how intense the defense was...maybe that was just an off-day for him, eh?
Why, oh why, am I not surprised?
I thought he did rather well to defend against OZ without getting into scuffles - especially given how intense the defense was...maybe that was just an off-day for him, eh?
Anonymous December 01, 2009 5:35 am
The bloody forward pass... right in front of the touch judge. Changed the outcome of the game!
Phil December 01, 2009 6:04 am
Ahhhh...missed that offside lol.
Lack of sleep can do that to you :P
Lack of sleep can do that to you :P
RD December 01, 2009 10:14 am
Ricky G.. a new one is on the way. Things have been hectic with all these internationals and the general demand for highlights, etc.
TSRB11 hasn't been forgotten about though. Thanks for the patience.
TSRB11 hasn't been forgotten about though. Thanks for the patience.
alasdair December 01, 2009 10:33 am
must love Allan Lewis!Read his new book: "How not to ref rucks and forward play!"
Anonymous December 01, 2009 1:45 pm
wow, great defense from both sides, although a try would have been nice
Anonymous December 01, 2009 3:38 pm
rickety, i think it was an off day for hines when they played aus......he played very differently to usual....
i believe in the argentina game hines was having an 'on' day....pretty much his usual self
i believe in the argentina game hines was having an 'on' day....pretty much his usual self
glove39 December 01, 2009 5:24 pm
i'm amazed there's highlights from this match!
i was there and there wasn't much on show!
i was there and there wasn't much on show!
Anonymous December 01, 2009 10:49 pm
Even these "highlights" are pretty crap.
If you can't even make an enjoyable ten minute clip out of an 80 minute game there's a serious problem.
Scotland and Argentina should be put on trial for crimes against rugby.
If you can't even make an enjoyable ten minute clip out of an 80 minute game there's a serious problem.
Scotland and Argentina should be put on trial for crimes against rugby.
Nathan December 02, 2009 4:14 am
i love how you guys are bitching about highlights....i think RD did a bloody good effort to keep up to date and put on so many videos on their website. Seeing as RD is (i have seen somewhere) the number 1 rugby website for videos and things id imagine that there are probably a lot of scottish people visiting, so im prett sure they appreciate this video, as do those who perhaps missed the game!
I know i appreciate them.
I know i appreciate them.
Pato December 02, 2009 5:09 am
Nathan, I think the comment above you was about the game, not RD... Of course this site makes excellent highlights, I really appreciate them.
And about the Pumas side I have to say it, they have a lot of new players with no experience ( martinez, the top scorer is an amateur who plays in Buenos Aire Union ), and a couple more amateurs, and the pros are good players but we always go against the world, I mean, when you start the preparation for the 6N, we are finishing the season, the players got togheter a week before the tour, they never get the time to get togheter because they are all around the world, and the distance it's important...
I don't mean to bore you guys with this comments, but they are not excuses, this are facts...
Anyway, any side could have win the game, I love Scotland, hope you can win the 6N.
Cheers from argentina
And about the Pumas side I have to say it, they have a lot of new players with no experience ( martinez, the top scorer is an amateur who plays in Buenos Aire Union ), and a couple more amateurs, and the pros are good players but we always go against the world, I mean, when you start the preparation for the 6N, we are finishing the season, the players got togheter a week before the tour, they never get the time to get togheter because they are all around the world, and the distance it's important...
I don't mean to bore you guys with this comments, but they are not excuses, this are facts...
Anyway, any side could have win the game, I love Scotland, hope you can win the 6N.
Cheers from argentina
Vic December 02, 2009 7:10 am
Pato, im not sure i totally understand....
(not trying to cause a keyboard fight here...) but you say autumn internationals are when 6N sides are starting their season and you guys are ending yours, then you mention you guys being all split up and dont get the time to get together....
...but havent you just had a whole season to get together, test players, attempt to iron out any kinks?!
whereas 6N teams might be blooding new players, havent played much over the summer etc....
i mean id get the point if you said 6N teams are fresh and you guys are worn out....
(not trying to cause a keyboard fight here...) but you say autumn internationals are when 6N sides are starting their season and you guys are ending yours, then you mention you guys being all split up and dont get the time to get together....
...but havent you just had a whole season to get together, test players, attempt to iron out any kinks?!
whereas 6N teams might be blooding new players, havent played much over the summer etc....
i mean id get the point if you said 6N teams are fresh and you guys are worn out....
Anonymous December 02, 2009 1:03 pm
Vic, Argentina don't have anywhere near the resources, organisation, money, time, or professional players that any of the 6 nations teams do, even Scotland or Argentina.
They are at a massive disadvantage and have a valid excuse for producing below average rugby.
They are at a massive disadvantage and have a valid excuse for producing below average rugby.
Anonymous December 02, 2009 4:41 pm
Hate to ruin your argument, but both Fiji and Argentina have more professional players than Scotland.
Pato December 02, 2009 8:24 pm
Actually Vic, you're right in a couple of things, what I meant was that the Arg players are in disadvantage when it comes to quantity ( and quality for that matters ) of games, in the whole season I think they must have played no more than 5 games with luck, and getting the players togheter to train decently as a team ( not everyone on their clubs ) is an oddisey because of the distance, most of them play in Europe...
Anyway, thanks for the respect on your answers.
Cheers.
Anyway, thanks for the respect on your answers.
Cheers.
Pato December 02, 2009 8:24 pm
Actually Vic, you're right in a couple of things, what I meant was that the Arg players are in disadvantage when it comes to quantity ( and quality for that matters ) of games, in the whole season I think they must have played no more than 5 games with luck, and getting the players togheter to train decently as a team ( not everyone on their clubs ) is an oddisey because of the distance, most of them play in Europe...
Anyway, thanks for the respect on your answers.
Cheers.
Anyway, thanks for the respect on your answers.
Cheers.
Vic December 02, 2009 11:10 pm
Ah ok Pato i get you! no problem about the respectful questions.....i was just interested in all honesty. and yeh i see it now, i suppose at least australia etc have the 3N and things whereas im not sure what competitions argentina even play in?!? if any?!
Anyway thanks for your answers
'Vic, Argentina don't have anywhere near the resources.....
...have a valid excuse for producing below average rugby.'
Anonymous I think you misunderstood me, i was not saying anything about excuses or anything, i was merely asking about Patos comment....
as for your comment, argentina have just as much time as everyone else....there is only 12 months in a year....and as for their rugby i wouldnt have said it was below average at all...
Anyway thanks for your answers
'Vic, Argentina don't have anywhere near the resources.....
...have a valid excuse for producing below average rugby.'
Anonymous I think you misunderstood me, i was not saying anything about excuses or anything, i was merely asking about Patos comment....
as for your comment, argentina have just as much time as everyone else....there is only 12 months in a year....and as for their rugby i wouldnt have said it was below average at all...
Bauti December 04, 2009 7:31 pm
To Anonymus,
Argentina has 40 million people,scotalnd has 5.5 millions it's logical that Argentina has more rugby players, even though it could have much more, since here, rugby is a "posh" sport. And well in Fiji as well as eny pacific isle, there is only rugby to play practically. I mean, if im not wrong, it's the national sport.
Sorry for my crappy english
Cheers
Argentina has 40 million people,scotalnd has 5.5 millions it's logical that Argentina has more rugby players, even though it could have much more, since here, rugby is a "posh" sport. And well in Fiji as well as eny pacific isle, there is only rugby to play practically. I mean, if im not wrong, it's the national sport.
Sorry for my crappy english
Cheers
zacaria December 05, 2009 6:30 am
this was almost exactly like the australia v scotland game except it was the scots putting on the pressure.
zacaria December 05, 2009 6:32 am
im just glad scotland knows what it feels like
Anonymous December 05, 2009 10:48 pm
esoo aguante los Pumas jajajaj se quedaron con las ganas de ganarnos no? jajajajaja encima cusiter no piensa tiene el pase para try y no lo da por favor sigan entrenando sii gracias
Anonymous December 07, 2009 3:20 am
Bauti, yes rugby is the national sport of places like Fiji, Samoa and Tonga, but that's counterbalanced by the fact they have very small populations.
Fiji's the biggest with around about 1 million people.
In scotland and Argentina it's not the main sport and to some extent is considered a bit of a posh sport in both countries.
At the end of the day though Sctoland has the advantage of being a rich place with the ability to have proffesional teams, training, logistics and organisation.
Argentinian and Islander rugby doesn't have that advantage, though both are getting help from the IRB, particularly Argentina.
Fiji's the biggest with around about 1 million people.
In scotland and Argentina it's not the main sport and to some extent is considered a bit of a posh sport in both countries.
At the end of the day though Sctoland has the advantage of being a rich place with the ability to have proffesional teams, training, logistics and organisation.
Argentinian and Islander rugby doesn't have that advantage, though both are getting help from the IRB, particularly Argentina.
Anonymous December 13, 2009 12:48 am
for the guy who said argentina had 80% amateur players...although it does make a difference being either professional or amateur players, it's not the most important thing. Los Pumas have a great squad and they have the potential to win any other team. Besides, not even Andy Robinson can make the scots play decent rugby...
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