Friday, December 04, 2009
The Best of the Barbarians
Playing for the Barbarians is a fantastic honour and tomorrow we'll see a whole host of top players from around the world wearing that famous black and white kit.
Coached by Italy's Nick Mallet, the Baa Baas of 2009 have an incredibly strong look to them, as they feature not only some of the best players from the southern hemisphere, but some real stars from the north too.
In the centre we'll see a mouth watering combination - Springbok Jaque Fourie and Welshman and player of the British & Irish Lions series, Jamie Roberts. It doesn't get more physically powerful than that. When it comes to raw speed, there's Bryan Habana on the one wing, and on the other, there's a more than familiar name.
Joe Rokocoko, left out of the All Blacks touring squad, will play on the right wing and will get a chance to prove to the whole of New Zealand that they were wrong to leave him out.
In Matt Giteau and Fourie Du Preez, you have another match winning combination as each of those players are in the top 3 in their respective positions in the world. Up front there's a few world beaters too - Victor Matfield, George Smith, Schalk Burger and Rocky Elsom to name a few. Throw in Andy Powell off the bench, and this should be an explosive encounter.
Unfortunately though, the All Blacks have named what is very much a second string side. There's no Dan Carter, no Ma'a Nonu, and Sitiveni Sivivatu is on the bench. What we will see though is IRB World Player of the Year Richie McCaw leading his side.
Against France they showed that they rediscovered their attacking flair, so tomorrow's match is a chance for them to build on that, as well as blood new talent and let them get out there and prove themselves.
By all accounts, if the weather is good, we're set for a running spectacle that could well be the most enjoyable game of the last month or so. Predictions welcome.
The Barbarians are all about the big names, so this is a nice clip that shows you some of the best players and biggest names that have played for the famous club in the past. Enjoy.
Time: 03:10
Kick off: 2.15pm GMT
Barbarians XV: Drew Mitchell (Australia); Joe Rokocoko (New Zealand), Jaque Fourie (South Africa), Jamie Roberts (Wales), Bryan Habana (South Africa); Matt Giteau (Australia), Fourie du Preez (South Africa); Salvatore Perugini (Italy), Bismarck du Plessis (South Africa), W P Nel (uncapped), Carlo del Fava (Italy), Victor Matfield (South Africa, captain), Rocky Elsom (Australia), Schalk Burger (South Africa), George Smith (Australia).
Replacements: Stephen Moore (Australia), Tendai Mtawarira (South Africa), Quintin Geldenhuys (Italy), Andy Powell (Wales), Will Genia (Australia), Morne Steyn (South Africa), Leigh Halfpenny (Wales).
New Zealand XV: Cory Jane (Wellington); Ben Smith (Otago), Tamati Ellison (Wellington), Luke McAlister (North Harbour), Zac Guildford (Hawkes Bay), Stephen Donald (Waikato), Brendon Leonard (Waikato); Wyatt Crockett (Canterbury), Corey Flynn (Canterbury), John Afoa (Auckland), Jason Eaton (Taranaki), Anthony Boric (North Harbour), Liam Messam (Waikato), Richie McCaw (Canterbury), Rodney Sooialo (Wellington).
Replacements: Andrew Hore (Taranaki), Neemia Tialata (Wellington), Adam Thomson (Otago), Tanerau Latimer (Bay of Plenty), Jimmy Cowan (Southland), Mike Delany (Bay of Plenty), Sitiveni Sivivatu (Waikato).
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Rob December 04, 2009 4:17 pm
ah, if only Jason could come back for one last crack. What a legend.
Rob December 04, 2009 4:22 pm
P.s. My score prediction: 33-16 Barbarians. Should be a cracker!
No.7 December 04, 2009 4:50 pm
I was looking forward to this until i read the AB side....i still am...just not as much, its a shame they put a second string side against this baa baa's team! i think it would have been a great battle......
although thinking about it, we might get some better rugby....baa baa's never tend to play conventional rugby, always some amusing things, and against a second string side, some of these unconventional things might work out!
although thinking about it, we might get some better rugby....baa baa's never tend to play conventional rugby, always some amusing things, and against a second string side, some of these unconventional things might work out!
No.7 December 04, 2009 4:50 pm
I was looking forward to this until i read the AB side....i still am...just not as much, its a shame they put a second string side against this baa baa's team! i think it would have been a great battle......
although thinking about it, we might get some better rugby....baa baa's never tend to play conventional rugby, always some amusing things, and against a second string side, some of these unconventional things might work out!
although thinking about it, we might get some better rugby....baa baa's never tend to play conventional rugby, always some amusing things, and against a second string side, some of these unconventional things might work out!
VictorSoCalRuggger December 04, 2009 4:57 pm
anyone know where i can watch it, im in usa, in la. its not on setanta or rugbyzone, any help!!!!!
Anonymous December 04, 2009 5:48 pm
Thank God, no Irish, no ones gonna bitch about high tackles then.
realrugby December 04, 2009 7:55 pm
Yeah, can't wait for this game. Rokocoko AND Habana!?!?!? The Barbarians are loaded. Yes, hopefully both teams run and run. Should be great.
Agree with the comments about the AB side, though. No Carter, McCaw, a bunch of second stringers. Stephen Donald?
I'll give this one to the Barbarians.
Agree with the comments about the AB side, though. No Carter, McCaw, a bunch of second stringers. Stephen Donald?
I'll give this one to the Barbarians.
opfazonk December 04, 2009 9:33 pm
is this conrad smith in the last seconds of the clip? didn't know he played for the barbarians...
Anonymous December 04, 2009 9:46 pm
VictorSoCalRuggger said...
anyone know where i can watch it, im in usa, in la. its not on setanta or rugbyzone, any help!!!!!
watch on bbc website
anyone know where i can watch it, im in usa, in la. its not on setanta or rugbyzone, any help!!!!!
watch on bbc website
Anonymous December 04, 2009 9:54 pm
YES!!! YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE ABS ARE GONNA LOSE!! YES!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous December 04, 2009 10:04 pm
Barbarians will take it, hope to see Jamie Roberts score and Andy Powell off the bench. Too bad IRB Player Of The Tear *cough* Shane Williams is injuried.
Anonymous December 04, 2009 10:16 pm
All this mention of IRB players of the year... The real player of the year is FDP.
Greggo December 05, 2009 12:25 am
^^Awww, that's cute. Did you make him a trophy yourself that read, "You'll always be Player of the Year in my heart. Love, Anonymous"?
Phil December 05, 2009 1:02 am
"^^Awww, that's cute. Did you make him a trophy yourself that read, "You'll always be Player of the Year in my heart. Love, Anonymous"?"
lol that gave me a chuckle.
Hopefully the game will be in the spirit of a Baa Baas game...lotsa running and flair.
Surprised to see so many Aussies :D
lol that gave me a chuckle.
Hopefully the game will be in the spirit of a Baa Baas game...lotsa running and flair.
Surprised to see so many Aussies :D
Jeroz December 05, 2009 1:03 am
I am interested to know who, since the professional era, had the most appearance for the famous Barbarian club.
Phil December 05, 2009 1:53 am
Not sure about the professional era, but I did find this:
In terms of appearances A.J.F. O'Reilly of Old Belvedere & Ireland made 30 appearances for the club 1955-62 and scored 38 tries, the most by any Barbarian. Other notable players who have played more than 20 matches include Budge Rodgers, Ron Jacobs, John Spencer and Phil Bennett.
http://barbarianfc.co.uk/legend/faq.cfm
In terms of appearances A.J.F. O'Reilly of Old Belvedere & Ireland made 30 appearances for the club 1955-62 and scored 38 tries, the most by any Barbarian. Other notable players who have played more than 20 matches include Budge Rodgers, Ron Jacobs, John Spencer and Phil Bennett.
http://barbarianfc.co.uk/legend/faq.cfm
Anonymous December 05, 2009 4:29 am
With no Carter there will be no attacking flair, Donald is crap.
Jeremy December 05, 2009 5:37 am
Really can't imagine who'll win, but with this type of match they are likely to produce some good running rugby.
Bill December 05, 2009 6:03 am
It's good to see the Barbarians back on a regular basis.
Not much like the old Barbarians (traditionally mostly home nations players with a few Europeans and SH players), but I suppose most of the British and European guys have club commitments. These days, with players playing for the baa-baas at the end of their Euro tours you're seeing these SH dominated dream teams.
But having said that, there's no way to predict what will happen during the game, the Barbarians can be awesome or terrible.
Remember last years' team that beat England convincingly then got thrashed by Australia?
Not much like the old Barbarians (traditionally mostly home nations players with a few Europeans and SH players), but I suppose most of the British and European guys have club commitments. These days, with players playing for the baa-baas at the end of their Euro tours you're seeing these SH dominated dream teams.
But having said that, there's no way to predict what will happen during the game, the Barbarians can be awesome or terrible.
Remember last years' team that beat England convincingly then got thrashed by Australia?
Wickus December 05, 2009 7:18 am
Bill, that was this years side. Last years 2008 Barbarians side was also a dream team like this... it took on Australia, except the "Aussies" were reluctant on actually playing fun rugby, instead they had young ball boy James O'connor kicking penalties over. Certainly not playing within the spirit of what the Barbarians stand for, but I guess Robbie Deans got his comeuppance. Prick.
Bill December 05, 2009 7:19 am
Yeah I meant the 2009 June team.
And that Aus vs Barbarians game was actually an excellent game, not the traditional barbarians game but still entertaining.
And that Aus vs Barbarians game was actually an excellent game, not the traditional barbarians game but still entertaining.
goodNumber10 December 05, 2009 8:31 am
Things like the Barbarian Ethos and the Lions etc... is what makes rugby so much more then just another team sport.
This kind of thing just wouldn't work in football and other similar sports on this scale, and most people you try to explain ti to just cannot understand the concept.
Even when they get an almighty thumping against top teams these kind of games still carry something special about them.
looking forward to this immensely just for those reasons.
This kind of thing just wouldn't work in football and other similar sports on this scale, and most people you try to explain ti to just cannot understand the concept.
Even when they get an almighty thumping against top teams these kind of games still carry something special about them.
looking forward to this immensely just for those reasons.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 8:39 am
"lol that gave me a chuckle."
You must have a poor sense of humour. Everyone knows McCaw won simply because he has that long poof Ealse hanging on his balls.
You must have a poor sense of humour. Everyone knows McCaw won simply because he has that long poof Ealse hanging on his balls.
Cameron Maxted December 05, 2009 9:19 am
Why is James O'connor not in the baabaas team wtf? Is there some sort of rule that only washed up players are allowed to play for the baabaas? (YES I KNOW GEORGE SMITH IS STILL AWESOME!!!:P ) but wtf mate? I mean why doesn't the irb get over themselves!!! james o connor plays 7s rugby he knows how to entertain the crowd i mean comon?! i will go out of my way not to watch this
Anonymous December 05, 2009 11:26 am
I just hope that Irish woman isnt in the build up. She askes the shitest questions.
Jon G December 05, 2009 12:48 pm
Surely that clip could have featured that try?
Anonymous December 05, 2009 1:26 pm
cos james o'connor is hardly legendary is he!!....baa baas tends to be the dream team....and i wouldnt (as yet) pick o'connor in my dream team!
There is still time....also just cos you have the hots for o'connor and he isnt playing doesnt mean you should miss the match....i mean im sure he wont view it as 'cheating' if you watch other guys playing the game!
There is still time....also just cos you have the hots for o'connor and he isnt playing doesnt mean you should miss the match....i mean im sure he wont view it as 'cheating' if you watch other guys playing the game!
Anonymous December 05, 2009 2:01 pm
Who is the player at 1:45 ?
I can not remember his name.
I can not remember his name.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 3:11 pm
Why is habana wearing red socks today? :-/
Anonymous December 05, 2009 3:58 pm
....and why did powell pick a fight with a lawnmower?!?!?
veld December 05, 2009 4:26 pm
who was the dyke that replaced the rock?? sa barbarians win comfortably, and they only had 20 minutes of training. sa 4, nz 0 boo ya
Hahahahee December 05, 2009 4:33 pm
The south africans in the team had to get a win somehow.. they're not very good at it these days. Lol
Anonymous December 05, 2009 4:41 pm
"The south africans in the team had to get a win somehow.. they're not very good at it these days. Lol"
Bitter Kiwi, our trophy cabinet disagrees.
Bitter Kiwi, our trophy cabinet disagrees.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 4:47 pm
Australians were a liability, but thankfully the core Bok players picked up the slack. Habana, greatest wing of all time now, how can anyone disagree? He cut through that Black defense like a knife through butter. Seeing the English fans giving him a round of applause was amazing. Those fans needed a Hero and got one in the form of South African super winger Bryan Habana. Just for one night, those fans could pretend he was one of their own. Amazing.
All Blacks were dominated. Love it. :)
All Blacks were dominated. Love it. :)
Anonymous December 05, 2009 4:54 pm
Babas played great, Habana you beaut. NZ without DC is just not NZ. Would have been a greater match with DC in it.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 5:33 pm
Hat-off to the 3 Italians in the BaaBaas team , you are the only "azzurri" who have beaten the AB.
Huh!! the 3rd December 05, 2009 5:48 pm
Cameron Maxted is back again everybody and gets his facts wrong yet again.
The Barbarians aren't picked by the IRB you idiot. They are a touring side originally based in England. Their members ask world renowned coaches to manage them for one or more games (White, O'Sullivan and Ruddock have been the most recent coaches along with Nick Mallet today) and THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT, the coach invites his choice of player to play for the Barbarians. Nick Mallet is a saffa who coaches Italy, therefore the team had a big SA/IT presence in today's game. The reason there isn't a big NH presence is that our domestic season is back on and only Cardiff seem to have cleared their players to take part.
Conrad Smith played in the '07 game against SA. Had a great game if I recall.
Unless someone is taking a sarcastic shot at O'Driscoll calling him 'that Irish woman', which I doubt, you are referring to the SCOTTISH interviewer from BBC. Now, call me crazy, but her accent couldn't be less Irish and more Scottish if she used bagpipes instead of a microphone and was stuffing her face with haggis and deep fried Mars bars.
I don't recall Ireland moaning and whinging about Pietersen's high tackle on Bowe, post match, they did win the game didn't they, if you watch the game over, indeed any Bok game, you'll see Smit in the refs ear at every decision trying to influence him. The lasting impression from the Ire/SA game was SA trying to find non existent eye gouging charges brought against Jamie Heaslip. If a player is found guilty of a crime he rightly gets punished, likewise if a team files false complaints, they too should receive punishment for bringing the game into disrepute.
Great game today. McCaw showed why, whether he deserved it or not, that's he's one of the greatest to ever play. Pity Smokin' Joe didn't see more of the ball. Roberts and Fourie looked threatening every time. I'm convinced that if SA actually gave Fourie some ball, they would win games by a higher margin, pure class. Burger was sensational again, and Giteau didn't look like he's been playing 10 months of non stop rugby.
The Barbarians aren't picked by the IRB you idiot. They are a touring side originally based in England. Their members ask world renowned coaches to manage them for one or more games (White, O'Sullivan and Ruddock have been the most recent coaches along with Nick Mallet today) and THIS IS THE IMPORTANT BIT, the coach invites his choice of player to play for the Barbarians. Nick Mallet is a saffa who coaches Italy, therefore the team had a big SA/IT presence in today's game. The reason there isn't a big NH presence is that our domestic season is back on and only Cardiff seem to have cleared their players to take part.
Conrad Smith played in the '07 game against SA. Had a great game if I recall.
Unless someone is taking a sarcastic shot at O'Driscoll calling him 'that Irish woman', which I doubt, you are referring to the SCOTTISH interviewer from BBC. Now, call me crazy, but her accent couldn't be less Irish and more Scottish if she used bagpipes instead of a microphone and was stuffing her face with haggis and deep fried Mars bars.
I don't recall Ireland moaning and whinging about Pietersen's high tackle on Bowe, post match, they did win the game didn't they, if you watch the game over, indeed any Bok game, you'll see Smit in the refs ear at every decision trying to influence him. The lasting impression from the Ire/SA game was SA trying to find non existent eye gouging charges brought against Jamie Heaslip. If a player is found guilty of a crime he rightly gets punished, likewise if a team files false complaints, they too should receive punishment for bringing the game into disrepute.
Great game today. McCaw showed why, whether he deserved it or not, that's he's one of the greatest to ever play. Pity Smokin' Joe didn't see more of the ball. Roberts and Fourie looked threatening every time. I'm convinced that if SA actually gave Fourie some ball, they would win games by a higher margin, pure class. Burger was sensational again, and Giteau didn't look like he's been playing 10 months of non stop rugby.
Jacko December 05, 2009 6:52 pm
"Australians were a liability, but thankfully the core Bok players picked up the slack."
I don't think so.
Giteau had an absolute blinder at fly-half and looked dangerous all night. Smith turned over the ball on numerous occasions and he and Elsom made an invaluable contribution at almost every ruck, maul and breakdown. Habana had a RIPPER of a game and it was great to see such an entertaining style of rugby being employed by both sides.
Nice to see the AB's lose for once too!
GREAT game...
I don't think so.
Giteau had an absolute blinder at fly-half and looked dangerous all night. Smith turned over the ball on numerous occasions and he and Elsom made an invaluable contribution at almost every ruck, maul and breakdown. Habana had a RIPPER of a game and it was great to see such an entertaining style of rugby being employed by both sides.
Nice to see the AB's lose for once too!
GREAT game...
Anonymous December 05, 2009 7:45 pm
Can anyone explain to me the way world rankings are decided? I can't understand why the rankings are the way they are at the moment.
ps - please don't start whinging about how whatever team is better than the other cos i'm sure nobody could be arsed with listening to that.
ps - please don't start whinging about how whatever team is better than the other cos i'm sure nobody could be arsed with listening to that.
FrankyH December 05, 2009 8:27 pm
"The lasting impression from the Ire/SA game was SA trying to find non existent eye gouging charges brought against Jamie Heaslip."
Huh!!the3rd - They weren't non-existent, whatever actually happened in that incident simply wasn't spotted by the camera, so please dont go down that road.
It (from what I can tell) happened just before Brussouw ripped Heaslips jersey, and as you could see by the replays, the start of that altercation wasn't picked up.
If Burger did what he did (Lions tour) and it was at a previous ruck and not caught on camera, would that mean it never happened too? Fitzgerald would have also filed a 'false complaint'?
I'm not saying Heaslip is guilty - nobody knows that for sure (except the players), but your logic is flawed mate.
Anyway, don't want to cause a huge argument, but felt that I had to correct you on that one. The fact that the irish rugby union and media went out of their way to try make themselves look 'better' too was pretty childish.
Back on topic - nice game today. Atmosphere was dead though. I was shocked to hear that there were over 60 000 people there. Nice game to watch, and fantastic spirit at the end amongst Welsh, SA, Aus, Italian, etc players. Mallet is a legend btw. I do feel the game could have been better though, and kinda failed to take off.
Was today confirmation yet again that something isn't quite right in the laws? All the ingredients were there for a showcase of running rugby, and yet it never really happened, despite the Barbarians showing intent early on. Ref/laws prevented it?
Anywaaay nice occasion, hats off to both teams. Pity DC wasnt playing though I guess.
Habana you beaut, and Giteau is outstanding. Pure class. Roberts had a pretty good game too, and I found it a little crappy that Halfpenny didn't get a proper run. McCaw was good, but FDP & BOD still better. Oh well.
Peace out.
Huh!!the3rd - They weren't non-existent, whatever actually happened in that incident simply wasn't spotted by the camera, so please dont go down that road.
It (from what I can tell) happened just before Brussouw ripped Heaslips jersey, and as you could see by the replays, the start of that altercation wasn't picked up.
If Burger did what he did (Lions tour) and it was at a previous ruck and not caught on camera, would that mean it never happened too? Fitzgerald would have also filed a 'false complaint'?
I'm not saying Heaslip is guilty - nobody knows that for sure (except the players), but your logic is flawed mate.
Anyway, don't want to cause a huge argument, but felt that I had to correct you on that one. The fact that the irish rugby union and media went out of their way to try make themselves look 'better' too was pretty childish.
Back on topic - nice game today. Atmosphere was dead though. I was shocked to hear that there were over 60 000 people there. Nice game to watch, and fantastic spirit at the end amongst Welsh, SA, Aus, Italian, etc players. Mallet is a legend btw. I do feel the game could have been better though, and kinda failed to take off.
Was today confirmation yet again that something isn't quite right in the laws? All the ingredients were there for a showcase of running rugby, and yet it never really happened, despite the Barbarians showing intent early on. Ref/laws prevented it?
Anywaaay nice occasion, hats off to both teams. Pity DC wasnt playing though I guess.
Habana you beaut, and Giteau is outstanding. Pure class. Roberts had a pretty good game too, and I found it a little crappy that Halfpenny didn't get a proper run. McCaw was good, but FDP & BOD still better. Oh well.
Peace out.
Les Bleus December 05, 2009 8:30 pm
Interesting game, it fell apart when Mccaw left the field.
Messam on the wing? Sivivatu in the centre? Wow, messed up huh?
I think both teams played really well and I actually thought it was pretty even throughout, no one really dominated. I would have thought Burger, Smith and Elsom would have been all over the opposition loose trio but sadly not, Mccaw managed to do really well against them all (hammered Burger).
I know I will get a lot of crap for this, but I thought Habana's performance tonight wasn't worthy of man of the match, yes he scored three but they were just easy easy tries, didn't need to beat any defenders just run in a straight line, Fourie had a far better game aswell as Giteau. Mike Delany pissed me off, always took it into contact against forwards? Dumbass.
My man of the match for Baa-Baas : Jaque Fourie
My man of the match for the AB's : Mccaw just edges Cory Jane
Messam on the wing? Sivivatu in the centre? Wow, messed up huh?
I think both teams played really well and I actually thought it was pretty even throughout, no one really dominated. I would have thought Burger, Smith and Elsom would have been all over the opposition loose trio but sadly not, Mccaw managed to do really well against them all (hammered Burger).
I know I will get a lot of crap for this, but I thought Habana's performance tonight wasn't worthy of man of the match, yes he scored three but they were just easy easy tries, didn't need to beat any defenders just run in a straight line, Fourie had a far better game aswell as Giteau. Mike Delany pissed me off, always took it into contact against forwards? Dumbass.
My man of the match for Baa-Baas : Jaque Fourie
My man of the match for the AB's : Mccaw just edges Cory Jane
Napoleon Dynamite December 05, 2009 8:38 pm
Rob kearney should be on that team
Jake December 05, 2009 9:56 pm
"Great game today. McCaw showed why, whether he deserved it or not, that's he's one of the greatest to ever play. "
He was outplayed by an out of form Burger. Burger's turnover at the end of the game was immense.
He was outplayed by an out of form Burger. Burger's turnover at the end of the game was immense.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 9:57 pm
ben robinson played well, didnt think he'd work so well with the beast and bizmark. he even made a break at one point and almost scored.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 10:08 pm
>> I know I will get a lot of crap for this, but I thought Habana's performance tonight wasn't worthy of man of the match, yes he scored three but they were just easy easy tries, didn't need to beat any defenders just run in a straight line, Fourie had a far better game aswell as Giteau.
Fourie played well, but made too many poor passing decisions. Giteau was quite selfish on attack and his defence was suspect. Habana's intercept try took a lot of skill and timing, he also bashed the line well, and his defense was great, especially the try saving tackle on the bald All Black. Burger is another guy who played very well and I was impressed by Roberts.
Fourie played well, but made too many poor passing decisions. Giteau was quite selfish on attack and his defence was suspect. Habana's intercept try took a lot of skill and timing, he also bashed the line well, and his defense was great, especially the try saving tackle on the bald All Black. Burger is another guy who played very well and I was impressed by Roberts.
boomshanka December 05, 2009 10:45 pm
whats with the *cough* RD ?
what i (used to) like about your reporting is the impartiality.
what i (used to) like about your reporting is the impartiality.
Anonymous December 05, 2009 11:08 pm
Most overrated words on this site and in world rugby is immense and Legend,Pre and Post match it is used every 2nd sentence,apart from Legend. Legend is used +- every 5th post. Now we gonna see it more often I think.
goodNumber10 December 06, 2009 12:33 am
"He was outplayed by an out of form Burger. Burger's turnover at the end of the game was immense."
he only played 40 minutes, and up until then he'd been immense. you rally must have been watching another game.
he only played 40 minutes, and up until then he'd been immense. you rally must have been watching another game.
Cameron Maxted December 06, 2009 12:51 am
okay i watched some clips and first of all why was stephen moore not on the starting 15? and why wasnt adam ashley cooper invited? wtf?
yeah im happy to watch the ABs lose but the score could have been a lot higher if you had james o'connor adam ash and lachie turner ATLEAST on the bench. who was this idiot coach and whats his problem with aussie?
yeah im happy to watch the ABs lose but the score could have been a lot higher if you had james o'connor adam ash and lachie turner ATLEAST on the bench. who was this idiot coach and whats his problem with aussie?
DDK December 06, 2009 1:04 am
your kidding right?
there were 6 aussies in the team! the barbars aren't a world XV, their an invitational team.
and i'm an aussie
there were 6 aussies in the team! the barbars aren't a world XV, their an invitational team.
and i'm an aussie
sunsun December 06, 2009 1:10 am
agree with DDK
why would lachie turner be in the side? hes bearly played for australia recently.
It was a great game to watch! i thought NZ were going to get the draw near the end.
How good was it to see Mitchell, Giteau , Matfield and Burger etc all in the same colors congratulating each other on their win! Great for the game of rugby and thats all that matters
why would lachie turner be in the side? hes bearly played for australia recently.
It was a great game to watch! i thought NZ were going to get the draw near the end.
How good was it to see Mitchell, Giteau , Matfield and Burger etc all in the same colors congratulating each other on their win! Great for the game of rugby and thats all that matters
Cameron Maxted December 06, 2009 1:23 am
ok first off no? Lachie turner is one of the games most devestating finishers mate open your eyes or shush up
6 wallabies is only a small portion if you count the welsh contingent in the team and the springboks
the team should have looked like:
15. O'connor
14. Joe Rocks
13. Adam Ash or Ryan Cross i love watching both
12. Giteau
11. Turner
10. Quade Cooper
9. Genia
8. The Rock
7. George Smith
6. Phil Waugh
5. Matfield
4. Horwill
3. Benny Robinson
2. Moore
1. Castro geovany
this team is far stronger than the one selected. what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!! who was the baabaas coach? he doesnt know anything
6 wallabies is only a small portion if you count the welsh contingent in the team and the springboks
the team should have looked like:
15. O'connor
14. Joe Rocks
13. Adam Ash or Ryan Cross i love watching both
12. Giteau
11. Turner
10. Quade Cooper
9. Genia
8. The Rock
7. George Smith
6. Phil Waugh
5. Matfield
4. Horwill
3. Benny Robinson
2. Moore
1. Castro geovany
this team is far stronger than the one selected. what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!! who was the baabaas coach? he doesnt know anything
Anonymous December 06, 2009 1:28 am
"he only played 40 minutes, and up until then he'd been immense. you rally must have been watching another game."
NO.
NO.
DDK December 06, 2009 1:30 am
your an idiot, your don't get the concept of the barbars at all do you? Not going to argue with you about it.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:01 am
Apparently the Barbarians only had 20 minutes to train. Nice to see them stick it to the "number one" team in the world. If you look at the make up of the team, you'll see most of the players were South African. I guess that makes it 4-0 for 2009.
DDK December 06, 2009 2:05 am
GOD NO!
please don't hate us because of one clown
please don't hate us because of one clown
Cameron Maxted December 06, 2009 2:07 am
DDK get off your high horse mate you arent the genius of rugby you try and make out to be dont kid yourself mate
dont insult me just because i shared my opinion on a blog thats what theyre there for mate.
what is wrong with the team i selected? it is pretty damn close to a world 15.
dont insult me just because i shared my opinion on a blog thats what theyre there for mate.
what is wrong with the team i selected? it is pretty damn close to a world 15.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:20 am
ddk s right cameron, the barbars are not a world XV, and your team is retarded and your retarded
Simon December 06, 2009 2:21 am
RD, your "cough" comment above, combined with the post below "3 high tackles/3 different results" confirm to me that you have changed from being a website dedicated to reasoned dialogue in relation to all things rugby, to a sensationalist, NH pandering website. RD has become for rugby what The Sun is for news. Well done. The plus side is you'll eventually alienate your readership such that there will be no disputes as to whether BOD is the best player in the world, NH sides rule, Richie McCaw is a cheat, and the Lions REALLY are better than SA.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:34 am
I was hoping the A.B's would field a full strength team. The young guys made some pretty good breaks though.
This game and the france all blacks game have been the best games on the tour.
This game and the france all blacks game have been the best games on the tour.
WTF RD December 06, 2009 2:35 am
fucking disappointed by that *cough* comment, Simon has it right. Either your a non biased forum for rugby fans around the world or your pander to an agenda, which is it!
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:36 am
Did anyone see McCaw's hit on burger?? That was epic.. lol
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:39 am
this site need a 'like' option
boomshanka comment - like
Simons comment - like
WTF RD comment - like
boomshanka comment - like
Simons comment - like
WTF RD comment - like
mise December 06, 2009 2:57 am
Another opinion on getting stuff caught in your throat:
the *cough* reflects the debate here (ie on this site) as much as the opinion of RD, I would say.
Likewise with the three hits posting. reflects debate here.
The site is changing, and will change more in the coming weeks it seems - fine. Blogs only have so much functionality.
the *cough* reflects the debate here (ie on this site) as much as the opinion of RD, I would say.
Likewise with the three hits posting. reflects debate here.
The site is changing, and will change more in the coming weeks it seems - fine. Blogs only have so much functionality.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 3:03 am
Mccaw is one of the greatest players I've ever seen play the game. If I had to pick a World 15 he would be the first player on it, without a doubt. The guy is one the most dominant no7s ever at the breakdown, and tackles and runs like a no8.
But I can see why people might object to him being player of the year. However, I thought Shane Williams selection as world player of the year was also ridiculous, but that's just how it goes.
Get over it.
But I can see why people might object to him being player of the year. However, I thought Shane Williams selection as world player of the year was also ridiculous, but that's just how it goes.
Get over it.
Slither December 06, 2009 3:11 am
To anon above, that's just silly.
Brussow did what he wanted with McCaw. dominated him.
First player on any team sheet is Bryan Habana. World Cup winner, McCaw is not.
Brussow did what he wanted with McCaw. dominated him.
First player on any team sheet is Bryan Habana. World Cup winner, McCaw is not.
:) December 06, 2009 3:16 am
"Did anyone see McCaw's hit on burger?? That was epic.. lol"
Id like to quote billy connolly here if you may....(with some editing to make the point stand...)
.....'no, i was reading wuthering heights, i just could nae put it down.......i always bring a good book to these matches.....incase of big hits like those....you prick!'
Id like to quote billy connolly here if you may....(with some editing to make the point stand...)
.....'no, i was reading wuthering heights, i just could nae put it down.......i always bring a good book to these matches.....incase of big hits like those....you prick!'
:) December 06, 2009 3:19 am
Btw, comments about RD and the cough really guys.....RD is, as far as im aware a SA fan....
and maybe the cough was simply a 'as some of you may agree or not agree' sort of cough.....
and really what has 3 high tackles 3 different out comes really got to do with anything?! it was a simple post of three (i hope we can all admit the following) blatant, illegal, high tackles.....with three different outcomes.....now bearing in mind its the same sport, same governing body...shouldnt there be the same punishments or similar.....dont even get why that was mentioned...
and maybe the cough was simply a 'as some of you may agree or not agree' sort of cough.....
and really what has 3 high tackles 3 different out comes really got to do with anything?! it was a simple post of three (i hope we can all admit the following) blatant, illegal, high tackles.....with three different outcomes.....now bearing in mind its the same sport, same governing body...shouldnt there be the same punishments or similar.....dont even get why that was mentioned...
Max Payne December 06, 2009 3:20 am
Why does everyone hate McCaw??
I reckon he's a good guy and an awesome player.
I reckon he's a good guy and an awesome player.
South Auckland December 06, 2009 3:30 am
Kiwis dont like samoans????
Ordinary kiwis raised Millions of dollars for the tsunami victims in samoa and donated clothes, water, building tools and food, all out of there own pockets.
The samoan people are our brothers and sisters.
You obviously aint from NZ u racist pig.
Ordinary kiwis raised Millions of dollars for the tsunami victims in samoa and donated clothes, water, building tools and food, all out of there own pockets.
The samoan people are our brothers and sisters.
You obviously aint from NZ u racist pig.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 3:33 am
McCaw hasn't been a top flanker since '06. Do people even watch the games these days? He's a has been, much like George Smith.
No.7 December 06, 2009 3:47 am
To the above, i really dont think mccaw is a has been..
...he may have peaked but i dont think he is quite on the downhill stretch at the moment...
...you have to bare in mind he has spent most of this season with injury, and really he was all over the place today....
...at risk of repeating an anonymous....why was habana wearing red socks? anyone know? i missed the first few mins of the match, but during the match i heard the commentators mentioning someone elses socks so i dont know if they mentioned habanas...
...he may have peaked but i dont think he is quite on the downhill stretch at the moment...
...you have to bare in mind he has spent most of this season with injury, and really he was all over the place today....
...at risk of repeating an anonymous....why was habana wearing red socks? anyone know? i missed the first few mins of the match, but during the match i heard the commentators mentioning someone elses socks so i dont know if they mentioned habanas...
Jon December 06, 2009 5:55 am
If Mccaw's a has been, then all the rest of the worlds flankers really need to lift their game, because he's making them look terrible.
Right now we have some great pilfering flankers.
Brussow was awesome this season, Mccaw is just as good as ever (he is, if you can't see that you haven't been watching NZ this year), Smith is getting a bit older but is still excellent at stealing the ball (he came on at half time against Wales and turned the ball over about 4 times and came close another 5 or so times), Pocock looks like the next big thing.
But Mccaw is the only one who runs like a no 8 and he's an inspirational leader.
And I'm not a kiwi, so it's not bias.
Right now we have some great pilfering flankers.
Brussow was awesome this season, Mccaw is just as good as ever (he is, if you can't see that you haven't been watching NZ this year), Smith is getting a bit older but is still excellent at stealing the ball (he came on at half time against Wales and turned the ball over about 4 times and came close another 5 or so times), Pocock looks like the next big thing.
But Mccaw is the only one who runs like a no 8 and he's an inspirational leader.
And I'm not a kiwi, so it's not bias.
Wickus December 06, 2009 6:50 am
Jon, its common knowledge amongst the smarter fans than Brussow is currently the best loose forward going around.
But like I said, only the smarter fans see how much better he is than the rest.
But like I said, only the smarter fans see how much better he is than the rest.
John Johnsonson December 06, 2009 8:55 am
In your own mind Prickus. There are many others on the same level, or better then brussow. Everyone has there strengths. He is not the complete player yet.
goodNumber10 December 06, 2009 9:15 am
"what is wrong with the team i selected? it is pretty damn close to a world 15."
And that's exactly the point, it's NOT a world 15, it's an invitational squad that is picked about 5 months ago to give people time to arrange release, a lot of people can't get permission to play.
The welsh guys for instance had to get special permission from Cardiff to play as their was a full league program this weekend.
So simply put you really don't get the concept of the barbarians if you think it's all about fielding the strongest 15 known to mankind, It's done out of fun and to see if a bunch of guys who hardly know each other can gel into a team, not because they want to pick the worlds best 15.
And that's exactly the point, it's NOT a world 15, it's an invitational squad that is picked about 5 months ago to give people time to arrange release, a lot of people can't get permission to play.
The welsh guys for instance had to get special permission from Cardiff to play as their was a full league program this weekend.
So simply put you really don't get the concept of the barbarians if you think it's all about fielding the strongest 15 known to mankind, It's done out of fun and to see if a bunch of guys who hardly know each other can gel into a team, not because they want to pick the worlds best 15.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 9:37 am
McCheat often illegally steals the ball and because he's no where near as fast as he used to be, the ref's are starting to notice. Brussouw's on another level when it comes to fetching and showed McCheat up not only in the internationals, but also in the Super 14. Brussouw's handling is also far superior to McCheat's. I suggest you go back and watch those games and see how many times Brussouw loses the ball. McCheat would often knock on, one even led to a brilliant Jaque Fourie try. If you think McCheat runs like a number 8, well I don't know what no. 8s you've been watching, certainly no one world class. Brussouw's running ability is better than McCheats as he's faster and more difficult to take down. His offloading is also superior. McCheat being a great leader is laughable when you realize he LOST TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONS 3 times this year (4 if you count the Barbarians clash). McCheat's a poor man's Juan Smith, nothing more, nothing less.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 9:47 am
Du Preez made Giteau look like a million bucks.
Jon December 06, 2009 10:16 am
You see by being so obviously bias towards South African players and dismissing other players, you lose any credibility.
Nothing that you have to say is rational or based on an honest assessment. You just love everything that comes from South Africa.
So there's no point in listening to anything you say.
Nothing that you have to say is rational or based on an honest assessment. You just love everything that comes from South Africa.
So there's no point in listening to anything you say.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 10:41 am
The saffa's on this site are so up themselves.
3-0 isnt all that great. The kiwis beat you guys 8-0 between 2001 and 2004.... Now thats impressive.
Anyway it was a good game would have been better if the kiwi's played their 1st stringers, quite entertaining.
3-0 isnt all that great. The kiwis beat you guys 8-0 between 2001 and 2004.... Now thats impressive.
Anyway it was a good game would have been better if the kiwi's played their 1st stringers, quite entertaining.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 10:54 am
lmfao most of those were the first stringers. barbarians didn't even have a training sessions, yet they still beat the "mighty" all blacks. world cup is just around the corner new zealand, better get those wife beating sticks out!
Anonymous December 06, 2009 10:56 am
3-0 isnt all that great. The kiwis beat you guys 8-0 between 2001 and 2004.... Now thats impressive.
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euro nations were also beating south african then, they were garbage. they thankfully improved and will be remembered as the best team this decade.
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euro nations were also beating south african then, they were garbage. they thankfully improved and will be remembered as the best team this decade.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 11:12 am
The only 1st stringers were McCaw an Corey Jane with Sivivatu, Tialata, Cowan on the bench. Dumbass!
Im not saying the a.b's would have won, just saying it would have been more interesting.
Im not saying the a.b's would have won, just saying it would have been more interesting.
Kearney for tests December 06, 2009 11:52 am
I thought there would have been a bit more running rugby today. I was disappointed by all the kicking, although in fairness there was less than usual.
I'm still shocked at what a biased muppet Cameron Maxted is. I mean his best possible barbarians team has 12 Australians in the starting line-up? Jesus Christ. I mean Stephen Moore came on and the lineout disintegrated. Quade Cooper at 10? I wouldn't even start him for Australia. Lachlann Turner, the most error-ridden player I've ever seen who can't even get his game for Australia? Phil Waugh, who also doesn't get his game? James Horwill, part of probably the worst lineout in top-flight rugby. James O'Connor, the at most average utility back at fullback? And the decent but no more Ashley-Cooper or Ryan Cross at 13? My God. If I was an Australian I'd want you deported.
I'm still shocked at what a biased muppet Cameron Maxted is. I mean his best possible barbarians team has 12 Australians in the starting line-up? Jesus Christ. I mean Stephen Moore came on and the lineout disintegrated. Quade Cooper at 10? I wouldn't even start him for Australia. Lachlann Turner, the most error-ridden player I've ever seen who can't even get his game for Australia? Phil Waugh, who also doesn't get his game? James Horwill, part of probably the worst lineout in top-flight rugby. James O'Connor, the at most average utility back at fullback? And the decent but no more Ashley-Cooper or Ryan Cross at 13? My God. If I was an Australian I'd want you deported.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 12:23 pm
Just looked up Cameron Maxted in the Dictionary,It said Idiot, really.
His Posts Should be banned from any form of communication.
His Posts Should be banned from any form of communication.
RD December 06, 2009 12:27 pm
@ Simon, the guy who commented a bit lower down with the smiley face pretty much summed it up.
This site is, and has always been, impartial. I don't see what was wrong with the previous vid about the high tackles - it was having a go at the IRB, not an individual or country. Apologies for not making that clearer.
Regarding McCaw - much respect, great leader and player, but I think the majority feel that there were two other players (maybe three?) who could/should have picked up the award ahead of him this year. Last year he was more deserving of it, imo.
Anyway, I think you've misinterpreted things a little, and the 1247 other articles on this site should help convince you of my impartiality. Cheers
This site is, and has always been, impartial. I don't see what was wrong with the previous vid about the high tackles - it was having a go at the IRB, not an individual or country. Apologies for not making that clearer.
Regarding McCaw - much respect, great leader and player, but I think the majority feel that there were two other players (maybe three?) who could/should have picked up the award ahead of him this year. Last year he was more deserving of it, imo.
Anyway, I think you've misinterpreted things a little, and the 1247 other articles on this site should help convince you of my impartiality. Cheers
Johnny December 06, 2009 12:37 pm
Fourie du Preez was behind Giteau's brilliant play!
Anonymous December 06, 2009 2:17 pm
"The only 1st stringers were McCaw an Corey Jane with Sivivatu, Tialata, Cowan on the bench. Dumbass!
Im not saying the a.b's would have won, just saying it would have been more interesting."
That's ridiculous, the vast majority of the squad could be considered first stringers. Henry's always changing things up because he has no idea if average kiwi a is better than average kiwi b. Thompson, for example, is a first stringer.
Barbarians, up until the last 20, were playing "fun" rugby - throwing the ball around instead of going for the posts etc. The "fun" rugby was enough to beat the "number one" team! Lucky the IRB gets to pick and choose when it comes to the rankings.
Im not saying the a.b's would have won, just saying it would have been more interesting."
That's ridiculous, the vast majority of the squad could be considered first stringers. Henry's always changing things up because he has no idea if average kiwi a is better than average kiwi b. Thompson, for example, is a first stringer.
Barbarians, up until the last 20, were playing "fun" rugby - throwing the ball around instead of going for the posts etc. The "fun" rugby was enough to beat the "number one" team! Lucky the IRB gets to pick and choose when it comes to the rankings.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 5:08 pm
What do you know, the person who makes RD is a human!
RD, you're doing a great job, and i don't see any of these other guys making rugby sites, so just ignore them.
@ the rest who are complaining- stop, it's bloody annoying.
RD, you're doing a great job, and i don't see any of these other guys making rugby sites, so just ignore them.
@ the rest who are complaining- stop, it's bloody annoying.
:) December 06, 2009 9:48 pm
Thanks RD, personally i dont think much praise goes your way! and i think a lot more should!
without RD we'd have to revert to trawling through youtube watching every video with the tag 'rugby' on it, and watching two kids have a fake scrap on youtube for 5 seconds before realising its bollocks! not to mention having to read comments from those saying:
'yeh rugby is so hard innit, i play rugby for my young offenders school and we kill people on the pitch cos we is hard'
followed by:
'england is the best rugby team eva!!!'
When anyone with half a brain and even those who support england can clearly see that is not the case....
Thanks RD! keep up the awesome work!!!
without RD we'd have to revert to trawling through youtube watching every video with the tag 'rugby' on it, and watching two kids have a fake scrap on youtube for 5 seconds before realising its bollocks! not to mention having to read comments from those saying:
'yeh rugby is so hard innit, i play rugby for my young offenders school and we kill people on the pitch cos we is hard'
followed by:
'england is the best rugby team eva!!!'
When anyone with half a brain and even those who support england can clearly see that is not the case....
Thanks RD! keep up the awesome work!!!
Anonymous December 06, 2009 10:36 pm
Kearney for Tests, I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty convinced that Cameron is probably about 14 years old, so I wouldn't get worked up.
Oh and your assesment of Australian players is damn near insulting by the way.
No offence but what do you really know about these players? Horwill is an excellent player, the Australian line-out may not be the strongest it's ever been atm, but it still dominated Wales in the last test (stole a couple throws, didn't lose any).
Lachie Turner is definitely not error prone, he's a good young winger. Maybe not international standard yet but he'll get there over time.
And Ashley-Cooper is more than just decent, he's one of the better 3/4s in the game.
We are ranked no 3 for a reason.
Oh and your assesment of Australian players is damn near insulting by the way.
No offence but what do you really know about these players? Horwill is an excellent player, the Australian line-out may not be the strongest it's ever been atm, but it still dominated Wales in the last test (stole a couple throws, didn't lose any).
Lachie Turner is definitely not error prone, he's a good young winger. Maybe not international standard yet but he'll get there over time.
And Ashley-Cooper is more than just decent, he's one of the better 3/4s in the game.
We are ranked no 3 for a reason.
Anonymous December 06, 2009 10:40 pm
On the subject of Quade Cooper being in the BaaBaas...
This typical aussie sportsman and model of decency won't be in any teams the way he's going - arrested by police on the weekend for burglary on the Gold Coast! What a loser! Oh yeah maybe if he was in the baabaas he wouldn't have been committing larceny! What a joke. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26449701-5003411,00.html
This typical aussie sportsman and model of decency won't be in any teams the way he's going - arrested by police on the weekend for burglary on the Gold Coast! What a loser! Oh yeah maybe if he was in the baabaas he wouldn't have been committing larceny! What a joke. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26449701-5003411,00.html
:) December 06, 2009 11:48 pm
^^^^^^^^^^
.....NO.....F*CKING....WAY......
COOPER ARRESTED!!!!!.....
.....I HATE THAT TOOL....but reeeeeeallly?!?
gotta say, as much as i think he is a prick, i do feel a bit sorry for him.....its not like he really needs to do shit like that is it?!
i mean, he is 21...he looks like a prick....he plays for Aus international rugby team....the first team.....
in all seriousness and jokes aside the only bad thing going for him is he looks and sounds and acts like a prick.....
... what a prat!
Im aware that every nation seems to have one fool, but this is pretty far!
.....NO.....F*CKING....WAY......
COOPER ARRESTED!!!!!.....
.....I HATE THAT TOOL....but reeeeeeallly?!?
gotta say, as much as i think he is a prick, i do feel a bit sorry for him.....its not like he really needs to do shit like that is it?!
i mean, he is 21...he looks like a prick....he plays for Aus international rugby team....the first team.....
in all seriousness and jokes aside the only bad thing going for him is he looks and sounds and acts like a prick.....
... what a prat!
Im aware that every nation seems to have one fool, but this is pretty far!
rudy youngblood December 07, 2009 1:20 am
Why is it then whenever I read through all the comments on a post I feel like I've just waded through a pool of maggots?
:) December 07, 2009 2:15 am
.....maybe you need to tidy rudy?! or your fishing bait escaped?! who knows....
Anonymous December 07, 2009 2:25 am
Not one Australian is good enough to crack a world 15. Actually, I'm not even sure if there's an Australian good enough to make the Springbok 15. There may be a better Australian wing than Pieterson, but then Pieterson isn't the best wing in SA.
Jon December 07, 2009 3:11 am
Pfft, South Africa have no one capable of what Gitaeu can do. Not even close.
Your scrum is a joke.
Robinson, Moore/Polota-Nau and Alexander are a much front row.
You've got a no8 at loosehead and a hooker at tighthead.
There's nothing between our flankers, Palu, Elsom and Pocock/Smith is just as good as Spies, Smith and Burger/Brussow.
Without a doubt South Africa are a great team with better depth than Australia.
But we have plenty of guys better in individual positions.
Besides, we don't have the depth but are basically just as successful in the professional era.
But all that wouldn't register in your mind probably, because you think like this :
South Africa = good.
Everyone else = bad.
Your scrum is a joke.
Robinson, Moore/Polota-Nau and Alexander are a much front row.
You've got a no8 at loosehead and a hooker at tighthead.
There's nothing between our flankers, Palu, Elsom and Pocock/Smith is just as good as Spies, Smith and Burger/Brussow.
Without a doubt South Africa are a great team with better depth than Australia.
But we have plenty of guys better in individual positions.
Besides, we don't have the depth but are basically just as successful in the professional era.
But all that wouldn't register in your mind probably, because you think like this :
South Africa = good.
Everyone else = bad.
No.7 December 07, 2009 3:31 am
JON....SA have no depth....as soon as they lost a few players in the end of season tour they fell apart.....
Anonymous December 07, 2009 4:16 am
jon:
Giteau isn't a proper 10 and had an awful season. i would take M Stein over him in a heartbeat. Stein's someone who understands his role and isn't a selfish glory boy centre - he's also yet to be shown up by Wilkinson and Carter.
Cons over hyping their scrum is always hilarious. Beast/Bizmark/Smit have held their own throughout the year - they even dominated the Lions' front row - it's the replacements who've let us down. Beast/Smit/BJ Botha combo dominated a world class Italian scrum. In general play, Beast and Bizmark are magnificent and make that tub of lard Robinson look like a joke.
Smith/Spies/Brussow were one of the main reasons why SA was so dominant during the trinations. I can't blame you for not watching the 3N though - if SA did so poorly I also wouldn't watch.
There's a reason why Australia's a joke and SA's the best team in the world, kid.
Giteau isn't a proper 10 and had an awful season. i would take M Stein over him in a heartbeat. Stein's someone who understands his role and isn't a selfish glory boy centre - he's also yet to be shown up by Wilkinson and Carter.
Cons over hyping their scrum is always hilarious. Beast/Bizmark/Smit have held their own throughout the year - they even dominated the Lions' front row - it's the replacements who've let us down. Beast/Smit/BJ Botha combo dominated a world class Italian scrum. In general play, Beast and Bizmark are magnificent and make that tub of lard Robinson look like a joke.
Smith/Spies/Brussow were one of the main reasons why SA was so dominant during the trinations. I can't blame you for not watching the 3N though - if SA did so poorly I also wouldn't watch.
There's a reason why Australia's a joke and SA's the best team in the world, kid.
Anonymous December 07, 2009 4:17 am
JON....SA have no depth....as soon as they lost a few players in the end of season tour they fell apart.....
Due to poor selection.
Due to poor selection.
No.7 December 07, 2009 9:40 am
'JON....SA have no depth....as soon as they lost a few players in the end of season tour they fell apart.....
Due to poor selection.'
You cannont moan about selection really! this is going down those 'what if' routes!
Due to poor selection.'
You cannont moan about selection really! this is going down those 'what if' routes!
Anonymous December 07, 2009 9:48 am
Don't see how. If you watch the Currie Cup and Super 14, you'll see there are plenty of talented players who never even make the training squad. Terblanche, for example, has developed into a great, reliable fullback.
I'll agree that we lack depth in certain areas (props, locks, 10s).
I'll agree that we lack depth in certain areas (props, locks, 10s).
Jon December 07, 2009 10:14 am
I'd take the Australian front row in a heartbeat over South Africa's. Maybe Smit over Moore at hooker, but only cuz he's a great captain.
And Steyn kicks, that's about it. He's a typical South African fly-half, no creativity.
And Steyn kicks, that's about it. He's a typical South African fly-half, no creativity.
FrankyH December 07, 2009 10:25 am
Jon, that's a common misconception about a flyhalf that kicks WELL.
Sure, Steyn is no Giteau, but he certainly isn't only a kicker. The Bulls won the Currie Cup and Super 14 with him at flyhalf. They've scored some great tries in recent times, and if Steyn was only a kicker, who couldn't get his line going, Habana wouldn't be as successful as he is.
I personally would rather have Butch James, for his creativity, but Steyn is doing a pretty damn good job.
And good luck with your choice of front row. The Aus scrum has been the laughing stock of world rugby for years mate. Dunning & Baxter.. oooh.
They seem to have improved recently, but I'd take Beast, Bismark, and Smit over Robinson, Moore, and Alexander. Smit just needs a little work, admittedly.
Sure, Steyn is no Giteau, but he certainly isn't only a kicker. The Bulls won the Currie Cup and Super 14 with him at flyhalf. They've scored some great tries in recent times, and if Steyn was only a kicker, who couldn't get his line going, Habana wouldn't be as successful as he is.
I personally would rather have Butch James, for his creativity, but Steyn is doing a pretty damn good job.
And good luck with your choice of front row. The Aus scrum has been the laughing stock of world rugby for years mate. Dunning & Baxter.. oooh.
They seem to have improved recently, but I'd take Beast, Bismark, and Smit over Robinson, Moore, and Alexander. Smit just needs a little work, admittedly.
FrankyH December 07, 2009 10:30 am
And btw guys, SA rugby has depth in abundance.
There's a huge difference between picking the next best 22, and picking a side that is aiming towards the future, and slightly politically motivated.
There's a huge difference between picking the next best 22, and picking a side that is aiming towards the future, and slightly politically motivated.
Anonymous December 07, 2009 11:30 am
was that Brian O'Driscoll or Ronan Keating?
Anonymous December 07, 2009 11:32 am
Habana's Red socks are from his school's first team.
Jon December 08, 2009 12:35 am
FrankyH, The Bok front row is probably your biggest weakness atm.
As an Aussie I know what that's like, but right now we don't have to worry about that, thank christ, because we have one of the better front rows in the rugby world atm.
And the thing about our front rowers is they also get through a mountain of defensive work, can pass and run like backs and are always involved at ruck time. Robinson in particular is all over the park.
You've got a converted hooker at tight head and a converted no8 at loose head.
They contribute effectively in the loose, but come scrum time, they are pretty damn poor.
And I mean no disrespect to South Africa or the Springboks. They are a great team, they had an amazing year. Some awesome players, the best second row in the world, great flankers (but we've got great flankers too, and so does NZ), big strong centres and good wingers (Habana's one of the best).
Steyn is a solid fly-half on attack, he can pass sure, but what I was saying is that he doesn't have anywhere near the creativity of Gitaue or Carter. Not even close. He's a great kicker though and that suits the bok gameplan.
As an Aussie I know what that's like, but right now we don't have to worry about that, thank christ, because we have one of the better front rows in the rugby world atm.
And the thing about our front rowers is they also get through a mountain of defensive work, can pass and run like backs and are always involved at ruck time. Robinson in particular is all over the park.
You've got a converted hooker at tight head and a converted no8 at loose head.
They contribute effectively in the loose, but come scrum time, they are pretty damn poor.
And I mean no disrespect to South Africa or the Springboks. They are a great team, they had an amazing year. Some awesome players, the best second row in the world, great flankers (but we've got great flankers too, and so does NZ), big strong centres and good wingers (Habana's one of the best).
Steyn is a solid fly-half on attack, he can pass sure, but what I was saying is that he doesn't have anywhere near the creativity of Gitaue or Carter. Not even close. He's a great kicker though and that suits the bok gameplan.
Anonymous December 08, 2009 6:04 am
jon's trolling:
"And the thing about our front rowers is they also get through a mountain of defensive work, can pass and run like backs and are always involved at ruck time. Robinson in particular is all over the park."
Robinson's not even an athlete. He's in the team because he's this extremely short guy who can squat and push. He's waddles around the field doing absolutely nothing. When he makes the rare break, it's not impressive, it's hilarious! How can you even compare him to Bizmark in the loose? Bizmark's fetching ability is up there with some of the top flankers in the world.
"And the thing about our front rowers is they also get through a mountain of defensive work, can pass and run like backs and are always involved at ruck time. Robinson in particular is all over the park."
Robinson's not even an athlete. He's in the team because he's this extremely short guy who can squat and push. He's waddles around the field doing absolutely nothing. When he makes the rare break, it's not impressive, it's hilarious! How can you even compare him to Bizmark in the loose? Bizmark's fetching ability is up there with some of the top flankers in the world.
Simon December 08, 2009 5:02 pm
Hi RD,
Just thought I would comment with my tail between my legs and withdraw my previous comments. I had been reading other posts, and allowed myself to lose control after reading various partisan supporters' messages, such messages exhibiting a distinct lack of objectivity or rugby knowledge. Ironically (and not the Alanis Morriset kind) I became what I was criticising, and somehow directed my fury at your fine self. Love the site, appreciate your work, and I am a prick. Forgive me.
Just thought I would comment with my tail between my legs and withdraw my previous comments. I had been reading other posts, and allowed myself to lose control after reading various partisan supporters' messages, such messages exhibiting a distinct lack of objectivity or rugby knowledge. Ironically (and not the Alanis Morriset kind) I became what I was criticising, and somehow directed my fury at your fine self. Love the site, appreciate your work, and I am a prick. Forgive me.
RD December 08, 2009 9:05 pm
No worries mate. Forget about it. The follow up is appreciated. Cheers
Jon December 09, 2009 1:07 am
Hey annon, Bizmark's a hooker, not a loose head, there's no reason to compare them.
And Robinson is twice the loosehead the 'Beast' is.
He can crummage for one thing, and get's thru just as much work in the loose. He can also pass and run in the backline.
But we'll agree to disagree because you're another one of those Saffers who would have a world 15 with 15 Saffers in it.
And Robinson is twice the loosehead the 'Beast' is.
He can crummage for one thing, and get's thru just as much work in the loose. He can also pass and run in the backline.
But we'll agree to disagree because you're another one of those Saffers who would have a world 15 with 15 Saffers in it.
Anonymous December 09, 2009 1:41 am
You can compare anyone. Beast is great in the scrum, just racist supporter can't handle a black guy raping their heroes. Beast is faaaaaar superior in the loose, he used to be a flank. Keep believing in Ben "tits" Robinson, though. GO YOU GOOD THING!
No.7 December 09, 2009 2:40 am
'You can compare anyone. Beast is great in the scrum, just racist supporter can't handle a black guy raping their heroes. Beast is faaaaaar superior in the loose, he used to be a flank. Keep believing in Ben "tits" Robinson, though. GO YOU GOOD THING!'
F*cking hell....its only up to recently that, imo the 'beast' has proved his worth, it seems he has been a bit of a no show in a lotof games. the fact he is black has F all to do with anything. i will gree he is a good player but if someone says otherwise why does that make them racist?
i guess you're a SA fan, so who in their prime is a better flanker, Serge Betson or Burger....be careful with your answer, i hate you to be seen as racist....
F*cking hell....its only up to recently that, imo the 'beast' has proved his worth, it seems he has been a bit of a no show in a lotof games. the fact he is black has F all to do with anything. i will gree he is a good player but if someone says otherwise why does that make them racist?
i guess you're a SA fan, so who in their prime is a better flanker, Serge Betson or Burger....be careful with your answer, i hate you to be seen as racist....
Jon December 09, 2009 3:10 am
I think Burger is better than Betson ever was, sorry no 7.
And yeah, I'd take Robinson any day over the Beast, if no other reason than the Beast is a liability at scrum time, and Robinson is one of the best scrummaging loose heads in the world atm.
And I don't care what color he is for Christs sake, I'm Australian. It doesn't matter where you're from or what you look like, it's just how you play that matters.
And du Plessis is a very good hooker, but I wouldn't rate him any better than Moore.
And yeah, I'd take Robinson any day over the Beast, if no other reason than the Beast is a liability at scrum time, and Robinson is one of the best scrummaging loose heads in the world atm.
And I don't care what color he is for Christs sake, I'm Australian. It doesn't matter where you're from or what you look like, it's just how you play that matters.
And du Plessis is a very good hooker, but I wouldn't rate him any better than Moore.
No.7 December 09, 2009 3:58 am
Jon you dont have to be sorry to me, i was only making an example....and seeing as you picked 2 white guys and no black guys, you muuust be a racist!.....cant believe some people
bulls #1 December 09, 2009 5:51 am
watch the last 20 of the italian test, beast has his way with castiogiovani or whatever his name is. ask vickery if beast can't scrum. ask the hurricane front row if beast can't scrum.
moore's been criticized heavily in the past and if the palato-now guy could throw the ball in straight, moore wouldn't start. you could see the difference in quality when he replaced bizmark during the barbarians game.
australians are struggling at the moment. they apparently have a great coach, so the blame lies solely on the players. most of them just aren't world class and the ones (one?) that are are playing out of position.
moore's been criticized heavily in the past and if the palato-now guy could throw the ball in straight, moore wouldn't start. you could see the difference in quality when he replaced bizmark during the barbarians game.
australians are struggling at the moment. they apparently have a great coach, so the blame lies solely on the players. most of them just aren't world class and the ones (one?) that are are playing out of position.
Kyle December 09, 2009 10:09 am
dont care for this discussion, just wanna point out that australia is an extremely racist country....stolen generation anyone? the aboriginals are also commonly referred to as "feral".
FrankyH December 09, 2009 10:41 am
Jon, I disagree with your point about Smit & Beast being a converted hooker and #8 respectively, thus making them bad at where they're currently playing.
Bryan Habana was a scrumhalf in school, and then a centre. His preferred position was centre, but he's been turned into a wing. That doesn't make him a bad wing.
Jaque Fourie is a fullback. That's where he played for the Lions since he was 19. He only changed to centre after about 3 or 4 years of playing fullback at provincial level. He was a devastating runner from the back btw, even though it's hard to picture him as a fullback now.
Pierre Spies was a wing. He played there for the Blue Bulls before they realised he was a better number 8.
My point is simply that yes, John Smit hasn't been fantastic as a prop, but you can't say he and the Beast are crap and out of position, just because it's not their first, original choice.
Bryan Habana was a scrumhalf in school, and then a centre. His preferred position was centre, but he's been turned into a wing. That doesn't make him a bad wing.
Jaque Fourie is a fullback. That's where he played for the Lions since he was 19. He only changed to centre after about 3 or 4 years of playing fullback at provincial level. He was a devastating runner from the back btw, even though it's hard to picture him as a fullback now.
Pierre Spies was a wing. He played there for the Blue Bulls before they realised he was a better number 8.
My point is simply that yes, John Smit hasn't been fantastic as a prop, but you can't say he and the Beast are crap and out of position, just because it's not their first, original choice.
Jon December 09, 2009 1:21 pm
You're right FrankyH, lots of guys have played different positions.
The point I was making is neither Smit or the Beast is a particularly good scrummager, both have been shown up this year.
They're both good in the loose, even great at times. That's not enough though if they aren't good at scrum time, as front rowers. You need both I think, to be considered a great front row.
And as I said, I'd drop Moore for Smit, maybe Du Plesis (he's certainly not worse than Moore). But I'd take the two Bens any time over SMit and the Beast.
The point I was making is neither Smit or the Beast is a particularly good scrummager, both have been shown up this year.
They're both good in the loose, even great at times. That's not enough though if they aren't good at scrum time, as front rowers. You need both I think, to be considered a great front row.
And as I said, I'd drop Moore for Smit, maybe Du Plesis (he's certainly not worse than Moore). But I'd take the two Bens any time over SMit and the Beast.
Jon December 09, 2009 1:26 pm
Hey Kyle, you realise what England has done historically to native peoples? France, South Africa, New Zealand?
Jesus, where are you from? You think you're country doesn't have a history of racist behavior.
Hypocritical idiot.
Why would you even say something like that on a rugby blog?
Jesus, where are you from? You think you're country doesn't have a history of racist behavior.
Hypocritical idiot.
Why would you even say something like that on a rugby blog?
Kyle December 09, 2009 1:53 pm
hey jon, i'm samoan but currently reside in wellington new zealand. truth hurts,don't it buddy? i've experience racism first hand when i was holidaying in aus, so don't give me any of that denial crap.
Jon December 09, 2009 3:57 pm
Why would the fact you're Samoan in New Zealand matter? I don't care where you're from, that's the point.
There's racism here, there's racism everywhere.
All major western countries that were once colonies of European empires did horrible things to the native people. Are they all racist? Maybe, but then don't single out one.
And anyway, why the hell would you bring something like that up on a rugby board?
There's racism here, there's racism everywhere.
All major western countries that were once colonies of European empires did horrible things to the native people. Are they all racist? Maybe, but then don't single out one.
And anyway, why the hell would you bring something like that up on a rugby board?
Kyle December 09, 2009 11:07 pm
jon, now listen to me and understand what i'm saying because i'm not going to repeat it again. ok? you defended your attack on an african player by saying you are australian. that was your defence. you said it like theres not a racist bone in any aussie's body which is not only incorrect but arrogant aswell. get off your high horse.
No.7 December 10, 2009 1:30 am
guys, that is fucking ridiculous ^^^.....
yes australia and the stolen nation is bad....
just the same as america and slavery....
just the same as the fact african tribe leaders sold their own people to slave traders.....
its all bad....but has fuckall to do with 'the best of the barbarians' or rugby for that matter.....
So what, jon doesnt think beast is a particularly good scrummager....why does that make him racist?!? i think zee ngwenya (sp?) is a fantastically fast wing, but i wouldnt pick him over plenty of other 'white' wings...thats hardly racist, we are talking about rugby skill here!
and jon you did actually say:
'Jesus, where are you from? You think you're country doesn't have a history of racist behavior.
Hypocritical idiot.'
so when kyle answered you said:
'Why would the fact you're Samoan in New Zealand matter? I don't care where you're from, that's the point.'
soo...yeh...sort of doesnt make sense that....
but really guys, jon is allowed an opinion, if it clashes with yours then say your opinion, please dont bring racism into this, there is enough pricks on RD already without the PC brigade labelling someone racist....
yes australia and the stolen nation is bad....
just the same as america and slavery....
just the same as the fact african tribe leaders sold their own people to slave traders.....
its all bad....but has fuckall to do with 'the best of the barbarians' or rugby for that matter.....
So what, jon doesnt think beast is a particularly good scrummager....why does that make him racist?!? i think zee ngwenya (sp?) is a fantastically fast wing, but i wouldnt pick him over plenty of other 'white' wings...thats hardly racist, we are talking about rugby skill here!
and jon you did actually say:
'Jesus, where are you from? You think you're country doesn't have a history of racist behavior.
Hypocritical idiot.'
so when kyle answered you said:
'Why would the fact you're Samoan in New Zealand matter? I don't care where you're from, that's the point.'
soo...yeh...sort of doesnt make sense that....
but really guys, jon is allowed an opinion, if it clashes with yours then say your opinion, please dont bring racism into this, there is enough pricks on RD already without the PC brigade labelling someone racist....
Jon December 10, 2009 6:21 am
Kyle, you are full of it mate.
I don't rate the Beast as a scrummager, I do rate his work in the loose, he can be a very good tackler and ball carrier, very powerful.
That's not racist, obviously, it's just what I think of his playing abilities.
And I said that I'm Australian, I don't care what color he is, in the context of him being South African, which as we know has it's issues with filling quotas.
But if you want to slag off a whole country cuz you had a bad experience here, go right ahead, be simplistic.
I don't rate the Beast as a scrummager, I do rate his work in the loose, he can be a very good tackler and ball carrier, very powerful.
That's not racist, obviously, it's just what I think of his playing abilities.
And I said that I'm Australian, I don't care what color he is, in the context of him being South African, which as we know has it's issues with filling quotas.
But if you want to slag off a whole country cuz you had a bad experience here, go right ahead, be simplistic.
Anonymous December 12, 2009 1:32 am
McBull = one eyed typical pain in the ass arrogant Bok supporter who cant accept anything that isnt in a bok team......
There is nothing that non bok supporters like as to tease someone like mcbull when the boks lose....
....on the other hand is he makes the whole experience more painful for those bok supporters that are gracious and open to others opinions when boks lose...
There is nothing that non bok supporters like as to tease someone like mcbull when the boks lose....
....on the other hand is he makes the whole experience more painful for those bok supporters that are gracious and open to others opinions when boks lose...
Anonymous December 12, 2009 3:08 pm
'An inanimate carbon rod > Mcbull'
HAHAHAHA
'what is that in his hand?'
'...why its an inanimate carbon rod!'
HAHAHAHA
'what is that in his hand?'
'...why its an inanimate carbon rod!'
Anonymous December 16, 2009 4:12 am
haha this is for fun but i reckon the starting XV for the all blacks should of been
15 Muliaina
14 Gulidford
13 Jane
12 Donald
11 Sivivatu
10 Carter
9 Ellis
8 So'oialo
7 Thompson
6 Kaino
5 Eaton
4 Donelly
3 Tialata
2 Flynn
1 Woodcock
15 Muliaina
14 Gulidford
13 Jane
12 Donald
11 Sivivatu
10 Carter
9 Ellis
8 So'oialo
7 Thompson
6 Kaino
5 Eaton
4 Donelly
3 Tialata
2 Flynn
1 Woodcock
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