Wednesday, April 21, 2010
Midweek Madness - Jerry Collins' slightly misdirected hit
The match included the excellent try from Zee Ngwenya and ultimately ended in a missed dropkick and a referee call that many felt was completely incorrect, thus resulting in Ospreys exit from the competition.
Perhaps Jerry Collins knew it wasnt going to be a great game for him as fairly early on in the first half he made one of the hits of the season, despite the Biarritz player not having the ball and being nowhere near the action.
The clip was requested by a few guys who wanted to see it again, not only for a chuckle, but simply because it was quite bizarre how far off the ball it was. One can only think that Collins stuck his head down and committed himself to the hit very, very early on.
He was penalised only, and upon reflection, was perhaps lucky to get away with just that. Luckily injured flyhalf Julien Peyrelongue (edit) recovered after a few minutes strewn on the turf.
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vinniechan April 21, 2010 12:25 pm
To be fair that wasn't very Jerry Collins like...
Scotsdale April 21, 2010 12:32 pm
^ not very sportsmanlike either though tbh. One of the strangest things I've seen. Weird how he protested to the ref too, as if he did nothing wrong! lol
Sbastien April 21, 2010 12:40 pm
It was Julien Peyrelongue, Biarritz's flyhalf.
This was quite dangerous and Jerry Collins could have avoided, he must have seen the guy did not receive the ball.
Not so surprised, Collins is always near the limit for most of his tackles. For me, he should have got a Yellow for this...
This was quite dangerous and Jerry Collins could have avoided, he must have seen the guy did not receive the ball.
Not so surprised, Collins is always near the limit for most of his tackles. For me, he should have got a Yellow for this...
Francesco April 21, 2010 12:57 pm
he's been a SOB... really.. yellow at least!
Anonymous April 21, 2010 1:24 pm
It is Karmichael Hunt not the fly half, coming from NRL and going to AFL he will have been hit worse than that before
HM April 21, 2010 1:33 pm
Awesome, also a bit weird, because Collins is normally one of the good guys.
Kenny April 21, 2010 1:39 pm
text book tackle, pity play was about ten or fifteen meters away;
Collins must have an anti-french conspiracy thing going on;
Collins must have an anti-french conspiracy thing going on;
paulo April 21, 2010 2:19 pm
At first look it really is a "what was he thinking?" moment. Looking again the ball carrier makes as if to pass to Collins' man but swings it round his body and passes inside instead .. seems that Jerry saw the initial motion, put his head down and tried to hit at the same time as the ball .. oops, ball went the other way! Not dirty but maybe the sign of a guy off his game that day.
Anonymous April 21, 2010 2:30 pm
Absolutely off subject:
has anyone seen Caucau tries with Agen during the week-end? Deserve to be watched! The guy is over 130kg now and he was playing at centre. Two 50m tries, not as quick as before but still a fair pace!Amazing for such a big guy. He is bigger and look less fit than any prop though!
has anyone seen Caucau tries with Agen during the week-end? Deserve to be watched! The guy is over 130kg now and he was playing at centre. Two 50m tries, not as quick as before but still a fair pace!Amazing for such a big guy. He is bigger and look less fit than any prop though!
Sam April 21, 2010 2:47 pm
I guess its easy to throw comments around, but seeing collins play over the years he has never come across as a dirty player.....
....i would say he fell for the dummy and saw the big hit so he put it in....
i dont think he realised the ball was no where near...
ofcourse i am only going by this footage, if anyone finds a close up then i guess it will help prove/disprove...
i assume it wasnt a yellow because of the sheer 'accidentalness' of it....Collins must have fallen for the dummy and i suppose that was taken into consideration....
but a yellow wouldnt have surprised me...
(didnt see a knee in the spuds either.....Peyrelongue missed out!)
....i would say he fell for the dummy and saw the big hit so he put it in....
i dont think he realised the ball was no where near...
ofcourse i am only going by this footage, if anyone finds a close up then i guess it will help prove/disprove...
i assume it wasnt a yellow because of the sheer 'accidentalness' of it....Collins must have fallen for the dummy and i suppose that was taken into consideration....
but a yellow wouldnt have surprised me...
(didnt see a knee in the spuds either.....Peyrelongue missed out!)
wilox April 21, 2010 2:55 pm
Too right he should have got a yellow! At least a fucking yellow! I hate dirty shit like that.
mat April 21, 2010 3:02 pm
didn't look like a big hit, just a normal tackle.
it was obviously nowhere near the ball, but that what defenses are like, you line up man for man and expect them to get the ball, all teams do it, just looks bad here cause he stays down.
it was obviously nowhere near the ball, but that what defenses are like, you line up man for man and expect them to get the ball, all teams do it, just looks bad here cause he stays down.
Pulse April 21, 2010 3:52 pm
Yellow? Ok he made a rather large error but its hardly dirty. To be fair if i was on the recieving end of that hit i'd just carry on. Hardly something to complain about.
cheyanqui April 21, 2010 4:27 pm
^-- why is it always Anonymous people saying stupid stuff like that?
cheyanqui April 21, 2010 4:27 pm
Should have been a yellow, no-brainer.
Commentator says "he was committed to the tackle". Problem is that so many players these days commit themselves to make a massive hit well before they should.
The ball is 1-2 passes away from his man, and Collins has already put his head down. He can longer see how the play has developed.
The defender is "going for" the hit, at the expense of actually seeing the game. This needs to be punished across the game.
Should have been a yellow on the pitch. Off the pitch, this should have been reviewed by the citing committee, and put on Collins's "permanent record". Not saying a suspension, but there for future punishment. If he had similiar prior incidents -- then perhaps a suspension is worthy.
As Tana said, it ain't tiddly winks. But off-the-ball is off-the-ball.
Commentator says "he was committed to the tackle". Problem is that so many players these days commit themselves to make a massive hit well before they should.
The ball is 1-2 passes away from his man, and Collins has already put his head down. He can longer see how the play has developed.
The defender is "going for" the hit, at the expense of actually seeing the game. This needs to be punished across the game.
Should have been a yellow on the pitch. Off the pitch, this should have been reviewed by the citing committee, and put on Collins's "permanent record". Not saying a suspension, but there for future punishment. If he had similiar prior incidents -- then perhaps a suspension is worthy.
As Tana said, it ain't tiddly winks. But off-the-ball is off-the-ball.
Anarchangel April 21, 2010 5:30 pm
Yeah, that was just an accidental late hit caused by the strange movement of the passer; Only worth a penalty. It looked worse than it was because the tackled player was watching the ball... that's a bad time for such good concentration!
But really Jerry, shut up and take the penalty, you could have had worse. If you hit that hard when you're pulling out, you need to pay more attention and pull out much earlier!
But really Jerry, shut up and take the penalty, you could have had worse. If you hit that hard when you're pulling out, you need to pay more attention and pull out much earlier!
franco April 21, 2010 6:49 pm
Is it really all that bad, cheyanqui? I mean, I would never want to be on the receiving end of a tackle from Collins, but my first reaction was that Peyrelongue milked it a bit.
I think it looked strange in real time because how far away the tackle occurred from where the ball ended up going, but Traille's motion made it look like it could've gone wide - he just saw the coverage and did a quick one on the inside.
I thought the ref got it fine. Collins isn't a malicious player (big hitter, though, for sure) - not that that matters when making a call, though. In the end, Biarritz won, so I'm happy.
Just a funny-looking off-the-ball tackle is all. Weird, but not that bad.
I think it looked strange in real time because how far away the tackle occurred from where the ball ended up going, but Traille's motion made it look like it could've gone wide - he just saw the coverage and did a quick one on the inside.
I thought the ref got it fine. Collins isn't a malicious player (big hitter, though, for sure) - not that that matters when making a call, though. In the end, Biarritz won, so I'm happy.
Just a funny-looking off-the-ball tackle is all. Weird, but not that bad.
Le Brack April 21, 2010 7:40 pm
To the 'anon' way up^, Is Caucau back????? Don't care how fat he's got we still need to see his tries up here...
Les Bleus April 21, 2010 7:49 pm
Playing a player without the ball is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(f) Playing an opponent without the ball. Except in a scrum, ruck or maul, a player must not
hold, push or obstruct an opponent not carrying the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_10_en.pdf
Read your rule book guys.
I don't think a yellow card should have been awarded, worse than it looked. But definitely a penalty, without a doubt.
Sanction: Penalty kick
(f) Playing an opponent without the ball. Except in a scrum, ruck or maul, a player must not
hold, push or obstruct an opponent not carrying the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_10_en.pdf
Read your rule book guys.
I don't think a yellow card should have been awarded, worse than it looked. But definitely a penalty, without a doubt.
(u-p)rick April 21, 2010 9:48 pm
Wow, les blues, it seems like you are actually being less of a cock recently! *clap clap*
although i must add, that 'Rule' book is not set in stone, if it warrants it a referee can issue a card!
A yellow card for this wouldnt have been a surprise, but i wouldnt say it was particularly deserved of a yellow.
i mean, as far as im aware collins has never been associated with foul play, (well not as much as the next player!) and generally appears to have kept his nose clean throughout his career. Perhaps referee's are aware of this...perhaps this shouldnt come into play in decisions...
anyway, not dirty, just daft, *Midweek Madness* sums it up well....
although i must add, that 'Rule' book is not set in stone, if it warrants it a referee can issue a card!
A yellow card for this wouldnt have been a surprise, but i wouldnt say it was particularly deserved of a yellow.
i mean, as far as im aware collins has never been associated with foul play, (well not as much as the next player!) and generally appears to have kept his nose clean throughout his career. Perhaps referee's are aware of this...perhaps this shouldnt come into play in decisions...
anyway, not dirty, just daft, *Midweek Madness* sums it up well....
Dalma April 21, 2010 10:08 pm
"Read your rule book guys."
... so you mean that every yellow cards given after late tackles are illegal ? Very clever.
... so you mean that every yellow cards given after late tackles are illegal ? Very clever.
Jeffrey April 21, 2010 11:19 pm
hahaha that was funny. Dont know why all "rugby" fans debating about yellow cards and shit, this is not soccer. Collins still looking massive and it would be great to see him on back on new zealand again playing top class rugby once more. We could see a few more massive legit hits from one of the legends in the game.
Crosser April 21, 2010 11:58 pm
my favorite part of this clip is Damien Traille tossing grass in the air next to Collins to check the wind as if to imply a penalty kick was coming....very funne.
Anonymous April 22, 2010 3:02 am
It's barely a penalty.
He was commited, the guy was running a line and Collins ahd to go for the hit.
The French guy dived and rolled around like a pansy too, trying to milk the penalty.
It's not dangerous, it's nothing.
The French guy is a dick for making it out to be worse.
He was commited, the guy was running a line and Collins ahd to go for the hit.
The French guy dived and rolled around like a pansy too, trying to milk the penalty.
It's not dangerous, it's nothing.
The French guy is a dick for making it out to be worse.
Tui April 22, 2010 3:59 am
Hilarious.... He must have just assumed the ball was going to him!
Anonymous April 22, 2010 4:57 am
Anyone who thinks that's a yellow probably hasn't played at any decent level.
Or is French.
Or is French.
Anonymous April 22, 2010 7:22 am
Peyrelongue is soft. He should be banned for a year for bringing the game into disripute with his soccer bullshit.
Jeroz April 22, 2010 7:30 am
ah....the reverse of a hospital pass...
the one where the ball didn't come to you~
the one where the ball didn't come to you~
Anonymous April 22, 2010 10:53 am
'Collins still looking massive and it would be great to see him on back on new zealand again playing top class rugby once more'
I suppose that would be the case if new zealand was actually top class....
Anyway, there is no reason to shrug off a yellow for this hit... im not saying it deserved one but it could easily be one. The hit was fine, had the player been holding the ball everyone would be fine, but it is the fact there was no contact with the ball, or the phase of play (i.e he didnt catch or pass the ball at all, he wasnt a dummy runner as such etc) therefore the fact the 'tackle' was of a legal nature (the actual tackle itself) has nothing to do with it, not really anyway....
so the referee could have gone for yellow...
I assume it is because the 'tackle' was 'legal' that collins wasnt sent off...high tackle and i would expect a yellow....
I suppose that would be the case if new zealand was actually top class....
Anyway, there is no reason to shrug off a yellow for this hit... im not saying it deserved one but it could easily be one. The hit was fine, had the player been holding the ball everyone would be fine, but it is the fact there was no contact with the ball, or the phase of play (i.e he didnt catch or pass the ball at all, he wasnt a dummy runner as such etc) therefore the fact the 'tackle' was of a legal nature (the actual tackle itself) has nothing to do with it, not really anyway....
so the referee could have gone for yellow...
I assume it is because the 'tackle' was 'legal' that collins wasnt sent off...high tackle and i would expect a yellow....
decky100 April 22, 2010 5:10 pm
i think it's pretty obvious that on the evidence of this tackle, the SH is better than NH
just kidding, though there must be something in the name Jerry...first Flannery then Collins. what were they thinking?
just kidding, though there must be something in the name Jerry...first Flannery then Collins. what were they thinking?
Sam April 22, 2010 7:25 pm
lol...
i think we have found the source of this french conspiracy decky...
like you say, first flannery and now collins...and both on french players...
hmmm anyone know if the citing and ban commissioners are called jerry?
(and as for your NH SH comment...well flaaaaaannnery did it properly, got the french chap off the field...lol) (not that i condone injuring other players...)
i think we have found the source of this french conspiracy decky...
like you say, first flannery and now collins...and both on french players...
hmmm anyone know if the citing and ban commissioners are called jerry?
(and as for your NH SH comment...well flaaaaaannnery did it properly, got the french chap off the field...lol) (not that i condone injuring other players...)
decky100 April 22, 2010 8:23 pm
lol Sam, yes...i suspect that both Flannery and Collins see the French as a potential threat at the world cup and are gradually taking all their players out of commission..the anti french conspiracy theorists have a point..
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