Sireli Bobo scores from Francois Steyn quick restart

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I was under the impression you can only use the same ball to take a quick restart?

I was under the impression you can only use the same ball to take a quick restart?

Shame we don't get to see the replay, we'd clearly see that Bobo was in front of Steyn at the start of the ball ...

Shame we don't get to see the replay, we'd clearly see that Bobo was in front of Steyn at the start of the ball ...

awesome!

awesome!

I agree with Steve-o, if you allow such things it's again a massive difference between professional rugby and amateur (where you would have to get the ball back to mid-field before kicking).
Moreover this would lead to teams leaving backs in their half at each penalty kick attempt, that's ridiculous...

I agree with Steve-o, if you allow such things it's again a massive difference between professional rugby and amateur (where you would have to get the ball back to mid-field before kicking).
Moreover this would lead to teams leaving backs in their half at each penalty kick attempt, that's ridiculous...

Bobo looks like a Monster! He is huge!
(@ Oli love blacksad)

Bobo looks like a Monster! He is huge!
(@ Oli love blacksad)

i remember when are rugby team did that last year in a 69-7 smashing after they scored their only try we got the ball ran it to half way and did that

i remember when are rugby team did that last year in a 69-7 smashing after they scored their only try we got the ball ran it to half way and did that

it bounced before the 10mtr line! What a bad ref...still fair play for trying it and getting away with it!

it bounced before the 10mtr line! What a bad ref...still fair play for trying it and getting away with it!

that's the basketballification of rugby right there.

that's the basketballification of rugby right there.

I was under the impression that the other team had to all be on their half before restart, but to be honest I've never chalked that up to any specific rule...and looking in the lawbook, it doesn't really specify anything regarding quick kick-offs.

...I'm at a loss as to what to think.

I was under the impression that the other team had to all be on their half before restart, but to be honest I've never chalked that up to any specific rule...and looking in the lawbook, it doesn't really specify anything regarding quick kick-offs.

...I'm at a loss as to what to think.

i also thought that all la rochelle players would have to be in their own half,and there are clearly 2 still on the racing metro side.

i also thought that all la rochelle players would have to be in their own half,and there are clearly 2 still on the racing metro side.

Surely you can only take a quick restart if you use the same ball as was used for the kick...same rule as with a quick lineout.
(btw, anon, it doesn't matter if it bounced before the 10m line, so long as no Racing player touches it before it crosses the line)

Surely you can only take a quick restart if you use the same ball as was used for the kick...same rule as with a quick lineout.
(btw, anon, it doesn't matter if it bounced before the 10m line, so long as no Racing player touches it before it crosses the line)

Clarification of the 10m rule (13.5-7)
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_13_en.pdf

Clarification of the 10m rule (13.5-7)
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_13_en.pdf

Right, anonymous. So, to me, this seemed like not only should play have stopped (due to opposition players in the kicking team's half), but the ball failing to travel 10m before hitting the ground should've been reason enough for the referee to give a scrum at half way or a re-kick.

...and that's not to mention the point about Sireli Bobo possibly being in front of Steyn anyways.

Whatever, doesn't much matter to complain about it. It was a sneaky play and Steyn/Racing got away with it, so good for them. Though it definitely doesn't help the image of French referees as being a bit..."loose".

Right, anonymous. So, to me, this seemed like not only should play have stopped (due to opposition players in the kicking team's half), but the ball failing to travel 10m before hitting the ground should've been reason enough for the referee to give a scrum at half way or a re-kick.

...and that's not to mention the point about Sireli Bobo possibly being in front of Steyn anyways.

Whatever, doesn't much matter to complain about it. It was a sneaky play and Steyn/Racing got away with it, so good for them. Though it definitely doesn't help the image of French referees as being a bit..."loose".

agree with Steve-o, you need to use the same ball and the second anonymnous, Bobo was in front, so not relli that neat..

agree with Steve-o, you need to use the same ball and the second anonymnous, Bobo was in front, so not relli that neat..

at least two posters have said that the ball must travel 10m before touching the ground. This is absolutely NOT the law. The law is that the ball must travel 10m before it can be touched by a member of the kicking team...

a bit strange that ref allowed it with a different ball being used

at least two posters have said that the ball must travel 10m before touching the ground. This is absolutely NOT the law. The law is that the ball must travel 10m before it can be touched by a member of the kicking team...

a bit strange that ref allowed it with a different ball being used

This is one of those examples they should show to refs in training to see if they know their rules!

As pointed out, the ball can bounce before the 10 metre line, as long as it travels over the 10 metre line without one of Steyn's team mates touching the ball within 10 metres of the restart.

To my knowledge, not all players have to be in their half before the game restarts - I saw a similar quick restart from a French player a couple of years ago.

Bobo was ahead of Steyn, so technically not a try, but I guess that happens at a lot of restarts, and it is often missed. Not good, but understandable. Bobo wasn't over the half way line when the ball was kicked.

I am not sure if the rule book says a quick restart needs to be taken with the same ball, as is the case with a lineout. It would be interesting to know if this rule also applies to 22 metre restarts, tap penalties, quick free-kicks etc. (although not as relevant for the last 2).

Steyn is a clever player, but struggles in South African rugby because he has games where for every moment of genius, he makes 2 mistakes. South African rugby likes reliable, effective, safe players and struggles to bring the best out of mercurial players.

This is one of those examples they should show to refs in training to see if they know their rules!

As pointed out, the ball can bounce before the 10 metre line, as long as it travels over the 10 metre line without one of Steyn's team mates touching the ball within 10 metres of the restart.

To my knowledge, not all players have to be in their half before the game restarts - I saw a similar quick restart from a French player a couple of years ago.

Bobo was ahead of Steyn, so technically not a try, but I guess that happens at a lot of restarts, and it is often missed. Not good, but understandable. Bobo wasn't over the half way line when the ball was kicked.

I am not sure if the rule book says a quick restart needs to be taken with the same ball, as is the case with a lineout. It would be interesting to know if this rule also applies to 22 metre restarts, tap penalties, quick free-kicks etc. (although not as relevant for the last 2).

Steyn is a clever player, but struggles in South African rugby because he has games where for every moment of genius, he makes 2 mistakes. South African rugby likes reliable, effective, safe players and struggles to bring the best out of mercurial players.

On another note... fastest try scored after a restart?

On another note... fastest try scored after a restart?

thanks RD! Sireli Bobo is one of the best winger in top 14. Good work steyn!

thanks RD! Sireli Bobo is one of the best winger in top 14. Good work steyn!

is that really frans steyn kickin? the player is wearing the number 9 jersey i guess?!

is that really frans steyn kickin? the player is wearing the number 9 jersey i guess?!

there might be a couple of unpunished infringments on the try, but come'on La Rochelle boys must be so naive !!!

i used to do that in age-grade rugby (U11-U13-U15) but after that it stopped working because the opposition were aware and concentrated

this reveals how likely it is for La Rochelle do be one of the two teams droping down to PRO D2 at the end of the season

there might be a couple of unpunished infringments on the try, but come'on La Rochelle boys must be so naive !!!

i used to do that in age-grade rugby (U11-U13-U15) but after that it stopped working because the opposition were aware and concentrated

this reveals how likely it is for La Rochelle do be one of the two teams droping down to PRO D2 at the end of the season

As one pointed out already, that's the scrumhalf doing the quick restart. I somehow doubt he's called steyn....

As one pointed out already, that's the scrumhalf doing the quick restart. I somehow doubt he's called steyn....

It is Francois Steyn. He runs like Steyn and has the same hair/beard as Steyn.

It is Francois Steyn. He runs like Steyn and has the same hair/beard as Steyn.

No, watch the video again in full size, it is definitely not Frans Steyn

No, watch the video again in full size, it is definitely not Frans Steyn

Nothing wrong with the ball bouncing before the 10 metre line. That's OK as long as it made it to the 10 metre line (before being touched by a Racing player that is).

But still a couple of problems with this.

(1) Racing player in front of the kicker (Law 13.3 -- scrum to La Rochelle)

(2) La Rochelle players not behind their own 10 metre line when the kick-off was taken (Law 13.4 -- Racing to kick off again).

What I'm not sure about here is the effect of the Advantage Law on Law 13.4. Assuming there was no infringement in (1) (i.e. all the Racing players were behind the kicker) can the referee play advantage to Racing where the La Rochelle players are not all back 10 metres their own side of half way? Or is Law 13.4 to be strictly enforced (with no option of advantage)?

(3) Different Ball?
I was always under the impression that a quick kick-off had to be taken using the same ball (which this one wasn't) BUT looking through the laws I couldn't find any reference to that (unlike law 19.2(d) which says you have to use the same ball for a quick throw-in). So maybe it's within the letter of the law to use a different ball at a quick kick-off. If so, I think the law EITHER needs to be changed to say that you can only take do a quick kick-off using the same ball OR we need referees to strictly enforce law 13.4 so you can't have a team taking a quick kick-off with a different ball before the opposition has retired behind their own 10 metre line.

I've nothing against quick kick-offs, but I think having a ball waiting for you on half-way to take one before the opposition has retired to the 10 metre line is not really within the spirit of the game.

Nothing wrong with the ball bouncing before the 10 metre line. That's OK as long as it made it to the 10 metre line (before being touched by a Racing player that is).

But still a couple of problems with this.

(1) Racing player in front of the kicker (Law 13.3 -- scrum to La Rochelle)

(2) La Rochelle players not behind their own 10 metre line when the kick-off was taken (Law 13.4 -- Racing to kick off again).

What I'm not sure about here is the effect of the Advantage Law on Law 13.4. Assuming there was no infringement in (1) (i.e. all the Racing players were behind the kicker) can the referee play advantage to Racing where the La Rochelle players are not all back 10 metres their own side of half way? Or is Law 13.4 to be strictly enforced (with no option of advantage)?

(3) Different Ball?
I was always under the impression that a quick kick-off had to be taken using the same ball (which this one wasn't) BUT looking through the laws I couldn't find any reference to that (unlike law 19.2(d) which says you have to use the same ball for a quick throw-in). So maybe it's within the letter of the law to use a different ball at a quick kick-off. If so, I think the law EITHER needs to be changed to say that you can only take do a quick kick-off using the same ball OR we need referees to strictly enforce law 13.4 so you can't have a team taking a quick kick-off with a different ball before the opposition has retired behind their own 10 metre line.

I've nothing against quick kick-offs, but I think having a ball waiting for you on half-way to take one before the opposition has retired to the 10 metre line is not really within the spirit of the game.

What a stupid ref, the ball bounces like three or four times before the ten meters line...

What a stupid ref, the ball bounces like three or four times before the ten meters line...

Just a quick note on the offside.

I know in real time it looks like Bobo is ahead of Steyn when he kicks but if you move it frae by frame (or as best you can with this video), at best he has one foot over the halfway line as Steyn strikes the ball and only looks well offside because he has already built up considerable pace by that point. To call him for offside looking at it that way would be VERY harsh, even if my the centimetre correct.

Just a quick note on the offside.

I know in real time it looks like Bobo is ahead of Steyn when he kicks but if you move it frae by frame (or as best you can with this video), at best he has one foot over the halfway line as Steyn strikes the ball and only looks well offside because he has already built up considerable pace by that point. To call him for offside looking at it that way would be VERY harsh, even if my the centimetre correct.

Fortes fortuna adiuvat! Love the quick thinking? Why not?

Fortes fortuna adiuvat! Love the quick thinking? Why not?

Of course this is steyn

Of course this is steyn

There's no rule about the same ball on a quick restart because there is no such thing as a "quick restart". It is the exact same action as a regular restart, it's not a fundamentally different beast.

A quick throw-in is a completely different action than a regular lineout, so there must be rules regarding when it's allowed to be taken.

This restart is simply the same thing as a regular kickoff but done faster. The same laws apply. And that 13.4 law for the receiving team to be back is to protect the kicking team (which is why the law mentions charging), so I'm sure it's subject to the same concepts of advantage as other laws.

Think of it this way, if it were a law designed to ensure that the receiving team was in proper position, it could easily be manipulated to slow a game down. Say the game was tied, then you kicked a penalty to make it a 3-point lead, and you wanted to eat up time. You would have your props take a slow walk all the way back to your 10m line as the other team waited to restart.

There's no rule about the same ball on a quick restart because there is no such thing as a "quick restart". It is the exact same action as a regular restart, it's not a fundamentally different beast.

A quick throw-in is a completely different action than a regular lineout, so there must be rules regarding when it's allowed to be taken.

This restart is simply the same thing as a regular kickoff but done faster. The same laws apply. And that 13.4 law for the receiving team to be back is to protect the kicking team (which is why the law mentions charging), so I'm sure it's subject to the same concepts of advantage as other laws.

Think of it this way, if it were a law designed to ensure that the receiving team was in proper position, it could easily be manipulated to slow a game down. Say the game was tied, then you kicked a penalty to make it a 3-point lead, and you wanted to eat up time. You would have your props take a slow walk all the way back to your 10m line as the other team waited to restart.

@TB: The quote is "Fortuna Audaces Juvat" as in "Fortune favours the bold"


Still, even with some minor "technicalities", pretty brilliant and ballsy play

@TB: The quote is "Fortuna Audaces Juvat" as in "Fortune favours the bold"


Still, even with some minor "technicalities", pretty brilliant and ballsy play

IT IS FRANCOIS STEYN, only he would be crazy enough to do something like that. He has a distinct type of run that can be spotted a mile away.

IT IS FRANCOIS STEYN, only he would be crazy enough to do something like that. He has a distinct type of run that can be spotted a mile away.

RD post up Morgan Parra dislocating Pirre Mignoni's finger in Saturday's Toulon v Clermont match. Cheers

RD post up Morgan Parra dislocating Pirre Mignoni's finger in Saturday's Toulon v Clermont match. Cheers

It is Steyn - http://i53.tinypic.com/10mra6b.jpg

It is Steyn - http://i53.tinypic.com/10mra6b.jpg

"Anonymous said...

What a stupid ref, the ball bounces like three or four times before the ten meters line..."

What a stupid poster who should read the rules more carefully...

"Anonymous said...

What a stupid ref, the ball bounces like three or four times before the ten meters line..."

What a stupid poster who should read the rules more carefully...

it doesnt matter that bobo was ahead as steyn got ahead of him before he touched it bringing him onside