Monday, September 20, 2010
Tim Visser's great individual effort against Ulster
Visser was featured in last weeks Magners League Best Tries mix , as he has now scored a very handy four tries in just three matches. This one against Ulster was a rare highlight for the Edinburgh side as they came close, but couldnt manage the win.
Formerly of the Newcastle Falcons in England, Visser has now committed to Edinburgh and Scottish rugby, and despite only being one year into his residency, will qualify to play for Scotland in two years time, a prospect that many would love to see happen.
Powerfully built with deceptive pace, a player of Vissers talent deserves to play top level Test rugby. Hes aware of that and while he is Dutch by origin, he will no doubt be wearing his adopted countrys famous blue jersey in the not so distant future.
He was the leading try scorer in the Magners League last season with 10 tries in 17 appearances, as well as picking up the Young Player of the Year award. While at Newcastle, he did actually qualify to play for England though, as he explained recently.
"I qualified for England the day I moved up here but was no longer qualified for them as soon as I made that move," he explained. "Ive spoken to Andy (Robinson, Scotland coach) a couple of times and hes very interested.
"I would never not play for Scotland if I got the chance, but there is no point thinking about that at the moment because I dont qualify for another two years," added Visser.
If he keeps showing his finishing prowess by scoring tries like this 60 meter effort, two years cant come soon enough for Scottish rugby fans.
Time: 01:28
Posted at 2:38 pm | 39 comments
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Anonymous September 20, 2010 5:05 pm
Yess tim lekker bezig groetjes uit Nederland
Anonymous September 20, 2010 6:16 pm
Goed bezig GOD! (zoals we jouw in het nederlands jeugdteam moesten noemen) Keep up the good work!
Anonymous September 20, 2010 6:21 pm
lol that was lomu esk, he even did that swivel that lomu does...interesting developments for scotland...
Anonymous September 20, 2010 6:32 pm
poor defence from ulster, coming from an ulsterman! I dont understand why ulster keep picking o'connor, he isnt up to the standard required. Great try though, strong fend on marshall
Anonymous September 20, 2010 6:48 pm
haha wie van het nederlands jeugdteam moest hem god noemen?
Luxi September 20, 2010 7:53 pm
Good try
Hey to all th dutch boys hre, fancy translating chat you're saying ???
Hey to all th dutch boys hre, fancy translating chat you're saying ???
Juggernauter September 20, 2010 8:00 pm
Hope he can replace poor Thom Evans... Scotland could use a classy finisher
dutchrugbyplayer September 20, 2010 8:41 pm
Still amazes me that such a class player is from the Netherlands. Pride of the Dutch (hopefully in 10years time we have more players of his calibre playing abroad)
Leeners93 September 20, 2010 9:39 pm
RD,i thought fionn carr was top try scorer in the magners league last year?or maybe i'm mixed up
hy September 20, 2010 11:21 pm
if this was super rugby everyone would be bleating about the terrible defence, not the attacking skill
Anonymous September 21, 2010 2:11 am
hy had to go and say it... ulster fans, what are your thoughts on that american wing you picked up, emerick?
Anonymous September 21, 2010 7:51 am
great player , also fantastic at seven, seen him many times at amsterdam sevens
Anonymous September 21, 2010 7:59 am
naa mate tim visser was top try scorer last year!
H September 21, 2010 8:40 am
This guy is a great player and its fantastic that we have such a good Dutch born player lighting up the professional leagues...
But I really hope he doesn't play for Scotland. No offence, but I hate the residency rule, it's meaningless.
No one who lives in one country for 3 years consecutively suddenly becomes their adopted nationality. Years of upbringing in a certain land and culture don't instantly change after three years.
For me its just too much of a tenuous link to be a legal excuse to get better players into the squad. Grandparents at least shows some heritage...
grumpy fist shaking in my day rant over.
But I really hope he doesn't play for Scotland. No offence, but I hate the residency rule, it's meaningless.
No one who lives in one country for 3 years consecutively suddenly becomes their adopted nationality. Years of upbringing in a certain land and culture don't instantly change after three years.
For me its just too much of a tenuous link to be a legal excuse to get better players into the squad. Grandparents at least shows some heritage...
grumpy fist shaking in my day rant over.
Tanqueray September 21, 2010 8:54 am
H, I see where you are coming from, and I take your point, but personally I think that the residency rule is sometimes a good thing.
I think that Visser is more committed to Scotland than one or two players from the past who, on realising they weren't good enough to play for NZ (for example), started trawling their family trees for a connection to another country, often Scotland, making themselves availbale purely so they can be international players. At least Tim is putting down a marker up front and saying "I want to play for Scotland, and I'm going to put in the time to earn the right to be eligible for selection".
It is far from perfect, of course, but not all bad.
I think that Visser is more committed to Scotland than one or two players from the past who, on realising they weren't good enough to play for NZ (for example), started trawling their family trees for a connection to another country, often Scotland, making themselves availbale purely so they can be international players. At least Tim is putting down a marker up front and saying "I want to play for Scotland, and I'm going to put in the time to earn the right to be eligible for selection".
It is far from perfect, of course, but not all bad.
NiWiTa September 21, 2010 12:00 pm
Nice try and good fending - first Ulster tackle was pants though! However Visser has bags of power..
@H have to agree with @Tanqueray...hopefully the impact of foreign players converting to another national side means that their skills also pass on. Also Visser has made his intention plain although as an England fan I'd rather he played for England! If you emigrate to a country than why not I guess?
@H have to agree with @Tanqueray...hopefully the impact of foreign players converting to another national side means that their skills also pass on. Also Visser has made his intention plain although as an England fan I'd rather he played for England! If you emigrate to a country than why not I guess?
Octus Spherus September 21, 2010 12:02 pm
It would be great to get more players from the lesser European rugby nations involved in top leagues. Does anyone know of any Swedes/Germans/Spaniards/Poles, etc toiling away in the pro or semi-pro leagues?
There was a Dutch fullback playing in the NZ 2nd Division for a while. There seems to be some good, raw talent in Dutch outside backs.
There was a Dutch fullback playing in the NZ 2nd Division for a while. There seems to be some good, raw talent in Dutch outside backs.
Coco September 21, 2010 12:10 pm
@Octeus
Magnus and Erik Lund of Norway play in Biarritz and Robert Mohr of germany plays in La Rochelle.
Magnus and Erik Lund of Norway play in Biarritz and Robert Mohr of germany plays in La Rochelle.
Herbie September 21, 2010 12:24 pm
Great player and doing well to have 4 tries in 3 games. However not too sure if he should play for Scotland. How will Scotland benfit from it other than that they will have a better winger, it still won't win them the worldcup or 6 nations. However the Dutch squad could learn from him and on their level he will have a far greater influence. His choice but I hope it will be an orange shirt he will wear.
Believer September 21, 2010 1:18 pm
@Herbie
With the progress Scotland have made in the last year, with the loss of Thom Evans, a classy winger wih real try-scoring ability could well be the difference between Scotland winning the 6 Nations or just making it very difficult for everyone else with the occasional upset.
The victories against Ireland and Argentina, as well as other 6N performances showed Scotland can compete with the best, even without scoring hardly any tries. Imagine the difference it would make if they actally DID start scoring tries!!!
I agree, as a lover of rugby, that it would be great to see lesser nations making strides in the international game, but I don't think one player is going to turn around Dutch fortunes that much. You just have to look at all the Dutch fans coming out the woodwork on here though to realise the impact Visser playing this level of rugby is having on Dutch rugby. Can you imagine what a marketing tool it could be for Dutch rugby to be able to say "lets have Scotland as our adoptive top tier country as we watch our own Tim Visser, current top try scorer in the Scotland team, line up against the ALL BLACKS", something he'd never do for the Netherlands.
I reckon that would do a lot more for increasing the popularity of thegame in the Noetherlands over the long run, and as the game improves, the best players would feel the need less and less to play outside of the N'lands, or to play for anyone else internationally.
I really think Tim Visser could be crucial to bot Scotland and the Netherlands fortunes, albeit over different time scales!
With the progress Scotland have made in the last year, with the loss of Thom Evans, a classy winger wih real try-scoring ability could well be the difference between Scotland winning the 6 Nations or just making it very difficult for everyone else with the occasional upset.
The victories against Ireland and Argentina, as well as other 6N performances showed Scotland can compete with the best, even without scoring hardly any tries. Imagine the difference it would make if they actally DID start scoring tries!!!
I agree, as a lover of rugby, that it would be great to see lesser nations making strides in the international game, but I don't think one player is going to turn around Dutch fortunes that much. You just have to look at all the Dutch fans coming out the woodwork on here though to realise the impact Visser playing this level of rugby is having on Dutch rugby. Can you imagine what a marketing tool it could be for Dutch rugby to be able to say "lets have Scotland as our adoptive top tier country as we watch our own Tim Visser, current top try scorer in the Scotland team, line up against the ALL BLACKS", something he'd never do for the Netherlands.
I reckon that would do a lot more for increasing the popularity of thegame in the Noetherlands over the long run, and as the game improves, the best players would feel the need less and less to play outside of the N'lands, or to play for anyone else internationally.
I really think Tim Visser could be crucial to bot Scotland and the Netherlands fortunes, albeit over different time scales!
Anonymous September 21, 2010 1:19 pm
this guys mean. neva heard of him but he got the size but when you think about it most saffa have ducth in them.
Anonymous September 21, 2010 2:11 pm
Indeed most South African rugbyplayers have dutch roots, you can tell by their last names.
About Visser: The level of the dutch rugbyteam is really poor, so it would be a damn shame to have a player of his quality playing on such a shitty level. If he's good enough for the Scottish team, than he shouldn't doubt for a second and go for it. I agree with Believer that it would be great for dutch rugbyfans to watch "our Tim Visser" play against the greatest rugbynations on the planet.
About Visser: The level of the dutch rugbyteam is really poor, so it would be a damn shame to have a player of his quality playing on such a shitty level. If he's good enough for the Scottish team, than he shouldn't doubt for a second and go for it. I agree with Believer that it would be great for dutch rugbyfans to watch "our Tim Visser" play against the greatest rugbynations on the planet.
Benson September 21, 2010 2:26 pm
^ Dutch, French, Scottish, English.. not just Dutch. And it was a long time ago.
Anyway, very good try. Not the first time he's done it either. I think it would be great to see him in the Six Nations for Scotland.
Sentiment only goes so far. By choosing to play for Holland he'd be doing himself a disservice. It would be like Zee Ngwenya having chosen to play for Zimbabwe for the sake of helping them grow.
Anyway, very good try. Not the first time he's done it either. I think it would be great to see him in the Six Nations for Scotland.
Sentiment only goes so far. By choosing to play for Holland he'd be doing himself a disservice. It would be like Zee Ngwenya having chosen to play for Zimbabwe for the sake of helping them grow.
Anonymous September 22, 2010 9:42 am
As a All Black fan I usely cheer on the scottish in the 6 nations they got a Beast of a foward pack but lack fire power out wide but not now.... wacth the space I think scottish got there own Flying ducthman. Rugbys in good shape. FREEEDOM,lol sorry about that I know Mels got shitty scottish accent.
Herbie September 22, 2010 10:32 am
Believer,
I see your point, yet Tim playing for Scotland won't have an immediate impact on Dutch rugby while playing for the Netherlands will have. As a Dutchman living in Ireland it's great to see how rugby is popular here and I love to see rugby becoming more popular in the Netherlands (we are the tallest country in the world, if any good we should make the all blacks shit during the Haka ;-)
Anyway playing the All Blacks is great but so did Portugal during the Worldcup so he might do the same in 9 years time (His brother is with Newcastle Falcons academy so more talent coming)
I see your point, yet Tim playing for Scotland won't have an immediate impact on Dutch rugby while playing for the Netherlands will have. As a Dutchman living in Ireland it's great to see how rugby is popular here and I love to see rugby becoming more popular in the Netherlands (we are the tallest country in the world, if any good we should make the all blacks shit during the Haka ;-)
Anyway playing the All Blacks is great but so did Portugal during the Worldcup so he might do the same in 9 years time (His brother is with Newcastle Falcons academy so more talent coming)
Anonymous September 22, 2010 7:05 pm
gud run from visser , bt woeful tacking from o.connor nd especially de no:14 . i mean visser was only a couple inchs from de sideline! how cud he nt get him over de edge!
Jelle October 13, 2010 10:10 am
@dutchrugbyplayer, at September 20, 2010 10:41 PM
I'd rather see players of his caliber being able to play in a proper Dutch competition, but perhaps 10 years is somewhat soon for that.
I'd rather see players of his caliber being able to play in a proper Dutch competition, but perhaps 10 years is somewhat soon for that.
Oneeyedcanessupporte November 05, 2010 6:15 pm
Am I the only one who thought he was out just before he crossed the line? Just stepped on the white with his left.
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