Wednesday, October 13, 2010
Jamie Cudmore yellow carded for punch but cited for stamp
Cudmore, no stranger to controversy, was actually yellow carded after the incident but it was a punch that he got in trouble for at the time, not a stamp. The punch in question seemed more like a flathander rather than a closed fist, but its the damage done to Saracens flanker Jacques Burger that has landed him in hot water.
There werent any good replays of the stamp as all the focus was on the punch, but you can see where it happens just before that, as the maul begins to break up. The reaction of the players is obvious, as Andy Saul for one looked incensed.
Burger, who was recently named Aviva Premiership player of the month for September, needed stitches in the mouth and was reportedly furious about what had happened.
The hearings for all four incidents will take place in Dublin today. Cudmore is cited under Law 10.4 (b) A player must not stamp or trample on an opponent. The recommended IRB sanction for such an offence is 2 weeks for Low End, 5 weeks for Mid Range, 9 plus weeks for Top End, and the maximum punishment is 52 weeks.
The unfortunate thing is that Cudmore had earlier scored a nice try, but yet again managed to tarnish the good work. The commentator brought up the fight between Cudmore and Paul OConnell from two years ago, so thats been thrown in here too to make it more interesting.
UPDATE: We've just heard that Cudmore got 10 weeks. Tuitupou got three for his tackle.
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Anonymous October 13, 2010 10:10 am
That incident with O'Connell was a disgracce. The irishman had thrown as many punches or more and only got a yellow whereas Cudmore got a straight red... Talk about double standards when it comes to international 6N players...
As for this yellow, fair enough although it's certainly not a punch,he's just pushing away the guy holding him by the shirt but he shouldn't have responded.
As for this yellow, fair enough although it's certainly not a punch,he's just pushing away the guy holding him by the shirt but he shouldn't have responded.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 10:15 am
Small lock. Smaller than that 13. Lets set Bakkies Botha on him, oh yeah thats what we all want to see.
Flooz October 13, 2010 10:20 am
I think Cudmore took the yellow because of his thug reputation.
It was more a flathand than a punch, can't see the stamp on the video.
It's a good player but nervous and very dirty, he can't keep his hand in his pockets...
He prefers do his justice himself than wait the ref decision.
Best example was vs O'Connell...
It was more a flathand than a punch, can't see the stamp on the video.
It's a good player but nervous and very dirty, he can't keep his hand in his pockets...
He prefers do his justice himself than wait the ref decision.
Best example was vs O'Connell...
Benson October 13, 2010 10:22 am
^ sad troll. Get a life??
Everyone else ignore the loser please. Thanks.
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The stamp looked quite bad. it would be interesting to see another angle of it eventually. I also thought the yellow card was a bit harsh
Everyone else ignore the loser please. Thanks.
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The stamp looked quite bad. it would be interesting to see another angle of it eventually. I also thought the yellow card was a bit harsh
jay October 13, 2010 10:27 am
Punch and yellow for Cudmore ? yes.
More on the images ? no
The guy is probably one of the most certified reckless player in Europe.
A MMA fight with Botha would be interesting I think (and you'd have to be SA to think that Botha would easily win this)
A shame as he is a good player when not punching all around...
Then again it is not because you don't see anything on this vid that the IRB won't give a blind 6 Month ban... lez wait and see ^^
More on the images ? no
The guy is probably one of the most certified reckless player in Europe.
A MMA fight with Botha would be interesting I think (and you'd have to be SA to think that Botha would easily win this)
A shame as he is a good player when not punching all around...
Then again it is not because you don't see anything on this vid that the IRB won't give a blind 6 Month ban... lez wait and see ^^
Gaz October 13, 2010 10:28 am
You can see Cudmore make a stamping action at around 21 secs in but from the angle you can't see any contact.
In response to the Anonymous second poster O'Connell received a yellow for retaliation whereas Cudmore's red was for punching (starting the incident)
In response to the Anonymous second poster O'Connell received a yellow for retaliation whereas Cudmore's red was for punching (starting the incident)
Anonymous October 13, 2010 10:31 am
Cudmore is a disgrace himself to fair play. He may be talented by cannot fit with all rugby fundamentals. Regarding O'Connell0's incident he pounched twice an opponent who did not defendm himself 2 metres in front of the ref(that's really stupid), then the big brawl started as POC started to defend himself and launched a battery of punches. Red and yellow, fair enough
Anonymous October 13, 2010 10:50 am
Such an incident! Really... I mean, a guy hold another guy by the helmet without reason, so he pushes him off and continue playing. We see that in every match (unfortunately here cudmore push his face, not his chest) and just because Saul excited himself the ref stop the game...
number yte October 13, 2010 11:00 am
anon two above, if POC has a yellow for punching and cudmore a red for starting, why isn't it the same thing here?
A yellow for Carstens (n1 I think) for starting the trouble and a yellow for Cudmore for the response with "a punch"... fair enough?
A yellow for Carstens (n1 I think) for starting the trouble and a yellow for Cudmore for the response with "a punch"... fair enough?
number yte October 13, 2010 11:01 am
anon two above, if POC has a yellow for punching and cudmore a red for starting, why isn't it the same thing here?
A yellow for Carstens (n1 I think) for starting the trouble and a yellow for Cudmore for the response with "a punch"... fair enough?
A yellow for Carstens (n1 I think) for starting the trouble and a yellow for Cudmore for the response with "a punch"... fair enough?
R October 13, 2010 11:08 am
Come on RD, theres more foul play and ilegal hits than flair and trys...
edbok October 13, 2010 11:15 am
Cudmore cited? Gosh, what a surprise.
Still, can't tell from this vid too much about what happened; presumably there is more evidence, otherwise he wouldn't have been cited.
The O'Connell fight, I thought at the time POC was lucky not to see red as well. A lot of guys would have. But by luck or good judgement, the ref probably got this correct with the instigator getting red and the retaliator yellow. Just doesn't seem to happen that way too often.
Still, can't tell from this vid too much about what happened; presumably there is more evidence, otherwise he wouldn't have been cited.
The O'Connell fight, I thought at the time POC was lucky not to see red as well. A lot of guys would have. But by luck or good judgement, the ref probably got this correct with the instigator getting red and the retaliator yellow. Just doesn't seem to happen that way too often.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 11:16 am
"R" for fuck's sake make a video of flair and tries instead of just moaning for it you retard.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 11:16 am
"R" for fuck's sake make a video of flair and tries instead of just moaning for it you retard.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 11:20 am
I fundamentally disagree with the principle according to which the instigator should get a harsher punishment than the retaliator. A punch is a punch, end of.
Vengeance leads to the dark side, as a small green dude once told me
Vengeance leads to the dark side, as a small green dude once told me
Anonymous October 13, 2010 11:41 am
Yellow card? Come on, is it just me or does everybody else think that enoughs enough and these soft yellow cards need to be dealt with.
That is worthy of nothing more than a caution.
That is worthy of nothing more than a caution.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 11:42 am
Also, a big shout out and a laugh to the fuckin weak number 7 chucking a babies tantrum at getting pushed in the face. Obviously an english private schoolboy.
Laz October 13, 2010 11:55 am
The more popular RD becomes, the more chance of retards sneaking up and commenting with absolute rubbish, as is on display here already.
The guy directly above me, firstly, number 7 isn't the one who was pushed in the face. Secondly, he was moaning about the stamp, which has proven to be erroneous. Thirdly, have a think before you comment??
The guy directly above me, firstly, number 7 isn't the one who was pushed in the face. Secondly, he was moaning about the stamp, which has proven to be erroneous. Thirdly, have a think before you comment??
Nick October 13, 2010 12:13 pm
If you pay a bit more attention the 1 was on the recieving end of the punch the 7 is complaining about the stamp, you need to get yourself to these guys:
http://www.specsavers.co.uk/?gclid=CKGx9oPoz6QCFdD-2Aod-Cb1EQ
Cudmore is a fool. The guy has a reputation and must have known that would happen if he threw apunch (no matter how pathetic it was). The Tulagi hit below it is brutal.
http://www.specsavers.co.uk/?gclid=CKGx9oPoz6QCFdD-2Aod-Cb1EQ
Cudmore is a fool. The guy has a reputation and must have known that would happen if he threw apunch (no matter how pathetic it was). The Tulagi hit below it is brutal.
Chris October 13, 2010 12:16 pm
The irishman had thrown as many punches or more and only got a yellow whereas Cudmore got a straight red... Talk about double standards when it comes to international 6N players.
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There's a difference between attacking someone and DEFENDING yourself.
That decision was fair.
Cudmore is a prick and the only people who defend him are tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts.
Cudmore deserves everything he gets. I'd love to see someone beat him unconscious. He's a thug of the highest order
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There's a difference between attacking someone and DEFENDING yourself.
That decision was fair.
Cudmore is a prick and the only people who defend him are tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts.
Cudmore deserves everything he gets. I'd love to see someone beat him unconscious. He's a thug of the highest order
Chris October 13, 2010 12:19 pm
Vengeance leads to the dark side, as a small green dude once told me
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Go make up your own sport. Rugby has no place for pacifists.
If somebody attacks you you're well within your rights to defend yourself. This is basic morality.
Never should someone cop the same punishment as the attacker when defending themself. NEVER.
Pacifism breeds Fascism.
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Go make up your own sport. Rugby has no place for pacifists.
If somebody attacks you you're well within your rights to defend yourself. This is basic morality.
Never should someone cop the same punishment as the attacker when defending themself. NEVER.
Pacifism breeds Fascism.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 12:19 pm
Benson, I bet you're one of those South Africans who brown nose quotas a lot. Pathetic.
Chris October 13, 2010 1:17 pm
You expect logic from a racist troll?
All you'll get is Ad Hominems lol
All you'll get is Ad Hominems lol
Anonymous October 13, 2010 2:22 pm
Chris O'Connell was holding Cudmore on the floor and throwing punches like a crazy guy that's not defending yourself that's just losing it.
A punch = a punch there are no good motivations for it.
I don't have to make my own sport and i've played rugby for 25 years but you should probably go watch ice hockey if that's what you like.
A punch = a punch there are no good motivations for it.
I don't have to make my own sport and i've played rugby for 25 years but you should probably go watch ice hockey if that's what you like.
jay October 13, 2010 3:03 pm
http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/breves2010/20101013_144948_cudmore-le-geste-de-trop.html
10 WEEKS ...
don't know what to think of it...
For a punch it's a lot...
for an alleged stamping for we do not clearly see enough, yet the IRB has little webcams in every english player therefore the truth can always be found (i heard ferris even got one in each eye).
Oh well ... not necessarily a bad suspension but don't go thinking that Jamie will "learn" from this.
10 WEEKS ...
don't know what to think of it...
For a punch it's a lot...
for an alleged stamping for we do not clearly see enough, yet the IRB has little webcams in every english player therefore the truth can always be found (i heard ferris even got one in each eye).
Oh well ... not necessarily a bad suspension but don't go thinking that Jamie will "learn" from this.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 3:16 pm
"That incident with O'Connell was a disgracce. The irishman had thrown as many punches or more and only got a yellow whereas Cudmore got a straight red... Talk about double standards when it comes to international 6N players..."
Are you serious? I'm not at all a Munster fan or a POC fan, but the red was definitely deserved. Also, POC waited for Cudmore to throw two punches and looked at the touch judge before responding. I dunno about you, but I think it's fair to defend yourself after one punch, let alone two haymakers. I don't see how POC deserved the yellow either... what was he meant to do? Stand there and get punched repeatedly in the face?
Are you serious? I'm not at all a Munster fan or a POC fan, but the red was definitely deserved. Also, POC waited for Cudmore to throw two punches and looked at the touch judge before responding. I dunno about you, but I think it's fair to defend yourself after one punch, let alone two haymakers. I don't see how POC deserved the yellow either... what was he meant to do? Stand there and get punched repeatedly in the face?
Anonymous October 13, 2010 3:35 pm
Jamie Cudmore has indeed too often a bad behaviour. O'Connell retaliated initially but carried on the fight in a way that the ref should have had no choice but to give to both players a red card!!
Anonymous October 13, 2010 4:01 pm
Once again,french teams are screw by british referee... (Castres vs Northampton, Attoub,...)
And when a Flannery stamp on a french player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKQVvisVA0
or kick at Palisson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoSxW_Glpc
NO SANCTION ...
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And when a Flannery stamp on a french player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKQVvisVA0
or kick at Palisson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoSxW_Glpc
NO SANCTION ...
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Sebbb October 13, 2010 4:20 pm
Lord knows I am no fan of Cudmore but the Saracens flanker was guilty of initially taking him out without the ball.
Cudmore neither had the ball nor was part of the maul yet was hauled down by the Sarries player. This sure counts as provocation. Should have been a penalty Clermont before any of that silliness ensued.
That said Cudmore has a thuggish reputation and I think his history has much to do with his suspension.
re: the O'Connell incident, Cudmore was the instigator and got what he deserved.
Cudmore neither had the ball nor was part of the maul yet was hauled down by the Sarries player. This sure counts as provocation. Should have been a penalty Clermont before any of that silliness ensued.
That said Cudmore has a thuggish reputation and I think his history has much to do with his suspension.
re: the O'Connell incident, Cudmore was the instigator and got what he deserved.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 4:22 pm
nick, the stamp cudmore is accused for is at the 60th minute... so the n7 is just complaining at the ref like a football player.
edbok October 13, 2010 4:27 pm
@ Sebbb
Cudmore deliberately stamped in a guy's face, that's what the suits decided, his reputation aside he deserves a lengthy ban.
I'd like to see the video to decide for myself if it is a serious as has been ruled, but I'm prepared to accept the people who rule on these things saw what they needed to reach their decision.
Cudmore deliberately stamped in a guy's face, that's what the suits decided, his reputation aside he deserves a lengthy ban.
I'd like to see the video to decide for myself if it is a serious as has been ruled, but I'm prepared to accept the people who rule on these things saw what they needed to reach their decision.
Huh!! the 3rd October 13, 2010 4:33 pm
Anon above, Flannery was suspended. He missed the rest of the 6N.
And you bring up Attoub YET again.
I'm not racist or have any prejudice against the French but I'm sick of some of you defending that scumbag. The pictures (WHICH WERE PROVEN TO BY ACCURATE BY SCOTLAND YARD) clearly show Attoub's finger in Ferris' eye up to the knuckle, so go fuck yourselves. Gouging needs to be wiped out.
I agree that French based players do seem to get the short end of the stick, but this was clear cut.
I'm Irish and I think the 8 weeks handed out to Heaslip for kneeing McCaw was a joke. He missed 1 game. Should've been 16/24 weeks.
The ref in Northampton game had a shocker. 1 clear cut try, and another poss (it was 40m out, so not a certinty).
And you bring up Attoub YET again.
I'm not racist or have any prejudice against the French but I'm sick of some of you defending that scumbag. The pictures (WHICH WERE PROVEN TO BY ACCURATE BY SCOTLAND YARD) clearly show Attoub's finger in Ferris' eye up to the knuckle, so go fuck yourselves. Gouging needs to be wiped out.
I agree that French based players do seem to get the short end of the stick, but this was clear cut.
I'm Irish and I think the 8 weeks handed out to Heaslip for kneeing McCaw was a joke. He missed 1 game. Should've been 16/24 weeks.
The ref in Northampton game had a shocker. 1 clear cut try, and another poss (it was 40m out, so not a certinty).
Anonymous October 13, 2010 4:34 pm
Actually Flannery was suspended for both offences so suck on it even more.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 4:42 pm
Cudmore is a thug but at least his violence takes the form of punches instead of trying to claw out a man's eyes. Hell, I remember Stephen Ferris remarked last season after the SF game that he doesn't mind punches and cheap shots so much because you can always get them back later. Gouging is a totally different animal though and has no place in the modern game.
A card and maybe a 3-5 week ban depending on the offense is more than sufficient for this kind of thing.
A card and maybe a 3-5 week ban depending on the offense is more than sufficient for this kind of thing.
Chris October 13, 2010 4:55 pm
Chris O'Connell was holding Cudmore on the floor and throwing punches like a crazy guy that's not defending yourself that's just losing it.
A punch = a punch there are no good motivations for it.
I don't have to make my own sport and i've played rugby for 25 years but you should probably go watch ice hockey if that's what you like.
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That's defending yourself. What do you expect him to do, punch Cudmore once and wait for Cudmore to return punches.
What planet are you living on? You remind me of a court judge.
You should probably go watch soccer to be fair. My opinion is shared by most rugby fans and players. Yours is shared by practically nobody.
If someone attacks you, you have the right of defense. The end.
If you don't like freedom you should go live in North Korea
A punch = a punch there are no good motivations for it.
I don't have to make my own sport and i've played rugby for 25 years but you should probably go watch ice hockey if that's what you like.
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That's defending yourself. What do you expect him to do, punch Cudmore once and wait for Cudmore to return punches.
What planet are you living on? You remind me of a court judge.
You should probably go watch soccer to be fair. My opinion is shared by most rugby fans and players. Yours is shared by practically nobody.
If someone attacks you, you have the right of defense. The end.
If you don't like freedom you should go live in North Korea
Anonymous October 13, 2010 5:12 pm
"Once again,french teams are screw by british referee..."
Oh, so now it's French teams, not French players... if you're going to campaign about injustices in the sport, try and keep it about the same group of players.
Oh, so now it's French teams, not French players... if you're going to campaign about injustices in the sport, try and keep it about the same group of players.
Mike October 13, 2010 5:31 pm
Cudmore get sent off against Munster because he continued fighting after the ref told him stop. He started it, O'Connell waited for the officials to see him being hit, then he defended himself as he is entitled to do. Cudmore then tried to attack O'Callaghan after the fight with O'Connell was over.
There are a lot of strange posters here who seem to know nothing about what they are commenting on.
There are a lot of strange posters here who seem to know nothing about what they are commenting on.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 5:54 pm
"What planet are you living on? You remind me of a court judge."
Why am I not surprised you have experience standing before a judge?
Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch.
Why am I not surprised you have experience standing before a judge?
Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch.
Mike October 13, 2010 6:20 pm
Wow, ANOTHER French idiot:
"Once again,french teams are screw by british referee... (Castres vs Northampton, Attoub,...)
And when a Flannery stamp on a french player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKQVvisVA0
or kick at Palisson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoSxW_Glpc
NO SANCTION ..."
Palisson incident: 6 week suspension - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/17/jerry-flannery-ireland-six-nations-banned
Bonnaire incident: 4 week suspension - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Flannery
No sanction? You are an idiot, spreading lies and French conspiracy theories. Oh yeah - to the other French guy, Ferris is not English, he's Irish. Get a map and an education and learn the difference.
No offense meant to the French posters who actually do have a clue.
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"Once again,french teams are screw by british referee... (Castres vs Northampton, Attoub,...)
And when a Flannery stamp on a french player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKQVvisVA0
or kick at Palisson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoSxW_Glpc
NO SANCTION ..."
Palisson incident: 6 week suspension - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/17/jerry-flannery-ireland-six-nations-banned
Bonnaire incident: 4 week suspension - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Flannery
No sanction? You are an idiot, spreading lies and French conspiracy theories. Oh yeah - to the other French guy, Ferris is not English, he's Irish. Get a map and an education and learn the difference.
No offense meant to the French posters who actually do have a clue.
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falafel waffle October 13, 2010 6:26 pm
Well, Cudmore is from Manitoba, where all they have to do is pick fights with moose. It's no wonder he's a tough bastard who with a short temper. ;)
Not sure why some anonymous thought the stamp happened in the 60th minute, when Burger indicates Cudmore stamped him (0:42) just after Cudmore tried collapsing the maul, punched Carstens, then had a scuffle with the no. 7.
Borthwick, like POC (who, if we're bringing up the Cudmore-POC debacle, had every right to defend himself from Cudmore), is a bitch when it comes to whining/talking back at referees though.
On a side note, Roger O'Connor (the ERC Citing Officer who had a very busy weekend) must be an awful bummer to watch a rugby match with...
Not sure why some anonymous thought the stamp happened in the 60th minute, when Burger indicates Cudmore stamped him (0:42) just after Cudmore tried collapsing the maul, punched Carstens, then had a scuffle with the no. 7.
Borthwick, like POC (who, if we're bringing up the Cudmore-POC debacle, had every right to defend himself from Cudmore), is a bitch when it comes to whining/talking back at referees though.
On a side note, Roger O'Connor (the ERC Citing Officer who had a very busy weekend) must be an awful bummer to watch a rugby match with...
falafel waffle October 13, 2010 6:28 pm
Why am I not surprised you have experience standing before a judge?
Zing!
Too bad you posted as anonymous; you should get some credit for that one.
Zing!
Too bad you posted as anonymous; you should get some credit for that one.
Lucius October 13, 2010 6:57 pm
"Such an incident! Really... I mean, a guy hold another guy by the helmet without reason, so he pushes him off and continue playing. We see that in every match (unfortunately here cudmore push his face, not his chest) and just because Saul excited himself the ref stop the game..."
You're right anonymous
This is not a yellow card!
You're right anonymous
This is not a yellow card!
jay October 13, 2010 8:08 pm
Who said Ferris was english ?
Wow 4 weeks suspension for a stamp in the head... very objective judgment ?
(10 weeks for an alleged stamp for today's case... as we have not seen clear images)
If you do think so, no point in arguing, the term "mauvaise foie" just comes to mind...
In any case could someone please explain the poor french bastards the difference in the sanction ?
Wow 4 weeks suspension for a stamp in the head... very objective judgment ?
(10 weeks for an alleged stamp for today's case... as we have not seen clear images)
If you do think so, no point in arguing, the term "mauvaise foie" just comes to mind...
In any case could someone please explain the poor french bastards the difference in the sanction ?
paranod frog October 13, 2010 9:04 pm
"Flannery was suspended for 8 weeks in 2008 for stamping on Julien Bonnaire; the penalty was subsequently reduced to 4 weeks, which allowed him to play in the 6 Nations tournament".
So Flannery, who has the same reputation for stupid acts than Cudmore, was suspended 4 weeks, with a little arrangement allowing him to play in the 6N.
On the other hand, Cudmore is suspended for 10 weeks for the same facts (we don't have any picture to base on to debate of the "level" of the stamp...). Curiously, the 9 weeks ban turn to 10 because of his "reputation" or "antecedent" or call it like you want. And this little added week is just the Leinster/Clermont one.
That is no paranoa, that is facts. So can anyone explain me the differences between the cute Flannery and the bad Cudmore?
So Flannery, who has the same reputation for stupid acts than Cudmore, was suspended 4 weeks, with a little arrangement allowing him to play in the 6N.
On the other hand, Cudmore is suspended for 10 weeks for the same facts (we don't have any picture to base on to debate of the "level" of the stamp...). Curiously, the 9 weeks ban turn to 10 because of his "reputation" or "antecedent" or call it like you want. And this little added week is just the Leinster/Clermont one.
That is no paranoa, that is facts. So can anyone explain me the differences between the cute Flannery and the bad Cudmore?
i love hops October 13, 2010 9:12 pm
jay, just because you can't see the stamp (which was obviously off-camera) doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Cudmore has been suspended before for malicious and unsportsmanlike behavior on the pitch, so it comes to no surprise that the judiciary officer wouldn't go easy on him; without seeing the stamp, who's to say if it was particularly nasty or not - the judiciary official ruled that it was.
Burger did sub off for ~4-5 minutes, but he played the rest of the match, so clearly the medical staff was able to patch him up.
And I believe Mike was referring to your comment that there are "webcams in every english player...(i heard ferris even got one in each eye)." That sentence has an implication that Ferris is English, but given that you're (I'm assuming) French and not a native English speaker, it may not have been what you meant to say.
Burger did sub off for ~4-5 minutes, but he played the rest of the match, so clearly the medical staff was able to patch him up.
And I believe Mike was referring to your comment that there are "webcams in every english player...(i heard ferris even got one in each eye)." That sentence has an implication that Ferris is English, but given that you're (I'm assuming) French and not a native English speaker, it may not have been what you meant to say.
Mike October 13, 2010 9:16 pm
Cudmore has been in trouble his whole career. Flannery has been in trouble twice, although I believe he should have been banned on another occasion - the system is not perfect. For example, I think Attoub should have been banned for life, but he only got 70 weeks. Sometimes people get less than they deserve.
Paranoid frog is right. French fans think that their players should be allowed shoot opposing players and then scream 'conspiracy' if they are punished.
Quote Jay - "yet the IRB has little webcams in every english player therefore the truth can always be found (i heard ferris even got one in each eye)."
Apologies if you did not mean that you think Ferris is English, but that is what your sentence implies. I am sorry to say that I find this level of ignorance is common among French people, who call Irish people 'Anglo Saxons'. A bit like calling French people 'German' or 'Greek'.
Paranoid frog is right. French fans think that their players should be allowed shoot opposing players and then scream 'conspiracy' if they are punished.
Quote Jay - "yet the IRB has little webcams in every english player therefore the truth can always be found (i heard ferris even got one in each eye)."
Apologies if you did not mean that you think Ferris is English, but that is what your sentence implies. I am sorry to say that I find this level of ignorance is common among French people, who call Irish people 'Anglo Saxons'. A bit like calling French people 'German' or 'Greek'.
i love hops October 13, 2010 9:16 pm
"(we don't have any picture to base on to debate of the "level" of the stamp...)."
No, you don't. That doesn't mean the judiciary official didn't. For crying out loud, get over yourselves.
You also don't know the circumstances for Flannery's appeal (or, if you do, you didn't state them), so how do you know it wasn't reduced for good reason?
No, you don't. That doesn't mean the judiciary official didn't. For crying out loud, get over yourselves.
You also don't know the circumstances for Flannery's appeal (or, if you do, you didn't state them), so how do you know it wasn't reduced for good reason?
i love hops October 13, 2010 9:18 pm
...and if that was satire (paranoid frog), then...well...my bad.
Anonymous October 13, 2010 10:09 pm
... and just two weeks for that!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
Kneeing in the head like that way might cause a damage on the eye-area.
And far worse than Cudomore'salleged(verified) stamping imho.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
Kneeing in the head like that way might cause a damage on the eye-area.
And far worse than Cudomore'salleged(verified) stamping imho.
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Chris October 13, 2010 10:42 pm
Why am I not surprised you have experience standing before a judge?
Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch.
.....
That's just what I was looking for. Showing your true colours now mate.
How's the prawn sandwiches?
Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch.
.....
That's just what I was looking for. Showing your true colours now mate.
How's the prawn sandwiches?
Chris October 13, 2010 10:46 pm
Zing!
Too bad you posted as anonymous; you should get some credit for that one.
.........
Zing indeed mate. Another middle-class moron born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Automatically assuming someone who's been in a court room is a bad human being.
I'd love to see your restrain and gentleman like behaviour when faced with what I was faced with.
Toff.Cunt.
Too bad you posted as anonymous; you should get some credit for that one.
.........
Zing indeed mate. Another middle-class moron born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Automatically assuming someone who's been in a court room is a bad human being.
I'd love to see your restrain and gentleman like behaviour when faced with what I was faced with.
Toff.Cunt.
quellebandedeglands October 13, 2010 10:47 pm
Laissez tomber les mecs on est face ce qui se fait de mieux en termes de mauvaise foi l'anglo saxonne. Je suis du ct de la loi tant que celle-ci m'avantage.
John October 13, 2010 11:09 pm
Chris, you seem to be obsessed by 'class' and being 'tough'. It doesn't look good mate, to be honest. You seem to have some huge chips on your shoulders.
This is a rugby board. I'm sure there are boards for working class hard-men like yourself to debate all sorts of things, but this is about rugby, and this particular article is about Jamie Cudmore being cited for stamping.
Please try to avoid repeating the same bullshit on every thread. Thanks for that.
This is a rugby board. I'm sure there are boards for working class hard-men like yourself to debate all sorts of things, but this is about rugby, and this particular article is about Jamie Cudmore being cited for stamping.
Please try to avoid repeating the same bullshit on every thread. Thanks for that.
John October 13, 2010 11:11 pm
Quellebandedeglands - Savez-vous seulement ce qu'est un anglo-saxon est-il? J'en doute. ^^
Tom October 13, 2010 11:50 pm
This is the kind of thing that should get carded and result in a long ban.
This ios cheap deliberate cheating, deliberate foul play.
Ban him for at least ten weeks.
This is exactly what cards are for.
This ios cheap deliberate cheating, deliberate foul play.
Ban him for at least ten weeks.
This is exactly what cards are for.
Jono October 13, 2010 11:53 pm
Maybe Chris is a cop?
There's other reasons to be in front of a judge than committing a serious crime.
And the guy who had a go at him did sound exactl like a snobby upper class wanker.
"Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch."
- wanker
There's other reasons to be in front of a judge than committing a serious crime.
And the guy who had a go at him did sound exactl like a snobby upper class wanker.
"Excessively punitive people like you should not be allowed to touch other people, let alone step onto a rugby pitch."
- wanker
"middle-class" doesn October 14, 2010 1:08 am
Well, I just learned something. Anyone who hasn't been sent to court is apparently a rich snob.
Color me a fancy pants then...I just wish my bank account mirrored my newly-appointed ritzy status. I guess that I'll just keep waiting for a stack of money and a limo to appear someday...
Color me a fancy pants then...I just wish my bank account mirrored my newly-appointed ritzy status. I guess that I'll just keep waiting for a stack of money and a limo to appear someday...
Chris J October 14, 2010 4:58 am
Cudmore pisses me off. I'd say he's currently the most successful Canadian rugger. All current internationals are playing for 2nd div clubs. Then Cudmore comes along and gets a spot on one of the best teams in Europe. What's he do? Gets a yellow or a red card every damn game. Schalk Burger cleaned his game up and look how well he's doing. This guy needs a reality check. All this coming from a Canadian btw.
jay October 14, 2010 6:54 am
@Mike : I did say english and to the extent even irish...implies does not state...but it's all good.
Mainly because we've had several debates on the the term british / anglo-saxons on RD.
Believe me i know the difference between english welsh scottish irish..(as I had the occasion to play with every nation in my life) as the french usually team up with Scotts, Irish or Welsh when it comes to "hating" the old Empire.
Mainly because we've had several debates on the the term british / anglo-saxons on RD.
Believe me i know the difference between english welsh scottish irish..(as I had the occasion to play with every nation in my life) as the french usually team up with Scotts, Irish or Welsh when it comes to "hating" the old Empire.
Chris October 14, 2010 8:18 am
You pathetic frog defenders are seriously starting to piss me off. Why don't you fuck off already
Flooz October 14, 2010 9:39 am
You can't defend Cudmore.
He is a dirty player and furthermore, a recidivist!
should i recall that he received in his whole career : 23 yellow and 4 red. No bad...
He completly deserved to receive a ban for the stamp or the punch.
But in an other hand, i understand some comments here; As It's hard to see the stamp on the replays but apparently the commission saw it.
But the most astonished point is:
that the ban he received was 9 weeks + 1 week (for aggravating conduct...)so 10 weeks.
This bonus week won't allow him to play the group shock against... Leinster.
All credits to clermont staff who won't make appeal.
But, in opposition, it recalls sadly the 8 weeks ban of flannery, which was reduced to 4, allowing him to play the 6 nations...
He is a dirty player and furthermore, a recidivist!
should i recall that he received in his whole career : 23 yellow and 4 red. No bad...
He completly deserved to receive a ban for the stamp or the punch.
But in an other hand, i understand some comments here; As It's hard to see the stamp on the replays but apparently the commission saw it.
But the most astonished point is:
that the ban he received was 9 weeks + 1 week (for aggravating conduct...)so 10 weeks.
This bonus week won't allow him to play the group shock against... Leinster.
All credits to clermont staff who won't make appeal.
But, in opposition, it recalls sadly the 8 weeks ban of flannery, which was reduced to 4, allowing him to play the 6 nations...
jay October 14, 2010 10:37 am
@Chris : wow impressed by leveling the debate here (get the fuck out of a global forum if not happy ? narrow minded xeno...)
@Flooz : No one is defending Cudmore... Again just because one doesn't agree with the overall judgments doesn't mean that one will justify Cudmore's behavior.
He got a ban and deserved it for sure...
@Flooz : No one is defending Cudmore... Again just because one doesn't agree with the overall judgments doesn't mean that one will justify Cudmore's behavior.
He got a ban and deserved it for sure...
Flooz October 14, 2010 10:58 am
Fresh news, Martyn williams who is famous for being an "angel" of the stadiums have (just) taken 2 weeks ban.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
ok, lol, no comment :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
ok, lol, no comment :)
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Anonymous October 14, 2010 11:24 am
i agree with Chris's post! O'Connell done what was right, asked for refs assistance and cudmore launched a few punches while holding him... sooo he pushes him down and says have some back... fair enough... this is rugby btw... it was much worse 20 years ago, so get over it "new" fans of rugby!
Huh!! the 3rd October 14, 2010 1:01 pm
The Bonnaire stamp was Flannery's FIRST suspension. He has done 2 stupid things in his career and been punished accordingly. The Bonnaire stamp happened in Jan '08 and Flannery missed the WHOLE 6N through suspension and injury (hamstring if memory serves) so all in all he missed a good bit longer than 8 weeks.
Anonymous October 14, 2010 1:43 pm
"Well, I just learned something. Anyone who hasn't been sent to court is apparently a rich snob.
Color me a fancy pants then...I just wish my bank account mirrored my newly-appointed ritzy status. I guess that I'll just keep waiting for a stack of money and a limo to appear someday..."
That's not what he said... and you did sound like a dickhead mate (and still do). Just shut up and keep to rugby.
- KG
Color me a fancy pants then...I just wish my bank account mirrored my newly-appointed ritzy status. I guess that I'll just keep waiting for a stack of money and a limo to appear someday..."
That's not what he said... and you did sound like a dickhead mate (and still do). Just shut up and keep to rugby.
- KG
Anonymous October 14, 2010 1:47 pm
"But the most astonished point is:
that the ban he received was 9 weeks + 1 week (for aggravating conduct...)so 10 weeks.
This bonus week won't allow him to play the group shock against... Leinster.
All credits to clermont staff who won't make appeal.
But, in opposition, it recalls sadly the 8 weeks ban of flannery, which was reduced to 4, allowing him to play the 6 nations..."
As you said he has received many many cards and is known to be a somewhat dirty player. Why would they reduce his ban? There is no reason to.
that the ban he received was 9 weeks + 1 week (for aggravating conduct...)so 10 weeks.
This bonus week won't allow him to play the group shock against... Leinster.
All credits to clermont staff who won't make appeal.
But, in opposition, it recalls sadly the 8 weeks ban of flannery, which was reduced to 4, allowing him to play the 6 nations..."
As you said he has received many many cards and is known to be a somewhat dirty player. Why would they reduce his ban? There is no reason to.
Anonymous October 14, 2010 1:55 pm
"Fresh news, Martyn williams who is famous for being an "angel" of the stadiums have (just) taken 2 weeks ban.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
ok, lol, no comment :)"
Cudmore is a dirty, sometimes cowardly player while Williams is a sly, annoying fucker, however, not generally a dirty player hence Cudmore gets a longer ban, and deservedly so.
Remember, Cudmore only got 5 weeks for the punch up with POC. The bans get harsher the more you get them / the more cards you get. Imagine Cudmore had the fight with O' Connell now, he'd be out for more than 10 weeks. So please, stop whining.
- KG
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmED1rLCRc
ok, lol, no comment :)"
Cudmore is a dirty, sometimes cowardly player while Williams is a sly, annoying fucker, however, not generally a dirty player hence Cudmore gets a longer ban, and deservedly so.
Remember, Cudmore only got 5 weeks for the punch up with POC. The bans get harsher the more you get them / the more cards you get. Imagine Cudmore had the fight with O' Connell now, he'd be out for more than 10 weeks. So please, stop whining.
- KG
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Flooz October 14, 2010 2:08 pm
sly as a knee in the face.
ok, u convinced me..
ok, u convinced me..
Anonymous October 14, 2010 3:35 pm
"sly as a knee in the face.
ok, u convinced me.."
I also said "not generally dirty" to acknowledge that this was dirty play however Williams does usually not play like that. Cudmore is known to be a dirty player. But English isn't you're first language (I'm assuming) so it's understandable if you miss subtle points made using English.
Since you did not reply to my other point I'm assuming you realise that your arguments are pointless and views are somewhat skewed.
- KG
ok, u convinced me.."
I also said "not generally dirty" to acknowledge that this was dirty play however Williams does usually not play like that. Cudmore is known to be a dirty player. But English isn't you're first language (I'm assuming) so it's understandable if you miss subtle points made using English.
Since you did not reply to my other point I'm assuming you realise that your arguments are pointless and views are somewhat skewed.
- KG
Anonymous October 14, 2010 3:52 pm
Flooz,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oli4colkDvA&feature=related
Go to 2:30 where Cudmore throws a punch at a player that is not looking. This is a cowardly act and is dirty play. He got 20 days for this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp5W_cwNnPo&feature=related
Here Cudmore punches O' Connell when O' Connell is looking away from Cudmore at the referee. Once again, cowardly and dirty. Cudmore gets 5 weeks for this one.
In the clip being shown on RD now, Cudmore throws yet another punch at an unwitting player. The 10 weeks is a fair punishment and it should be more in my opinion for a player who takes cheap shots at other players. This is not an injustice, it is a fair punishment so please stop crying and getting revved up over it.
Also, there's another 1 red card and 20+ yellow cards that were probably taken into consideration when giving Cudmore the ban.
- KG
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oli4colkDvA&feature=related
Go to 2:30 where Cudmore throws a punch at a player that is not looking. This is a cowardly act and is dirty play. He got 20 days for this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp5W_cwNnPo&feature=related
Here Cudmore punches O' Connell when O' Connell is looking away from Cudmore at the referee. Once again, cowardly and dirty. Cudmore gets 5 weeks for this one.
In the clip being shown on RD now, Cudmore throws yet another punch at an unwitting player. The 10 weeks is a fair punishment and it should be more in my opinion for a player who takes cheap shots at other players. This is not an injustice, it is a fair punishment so please stop crying and getting revved up over it.
Also, there's another 1 red card and 20+ yellow cards that were probably taken into consideration when giving Cudmore the ban.
- KG
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Clem October 14, 2010 4:42 pm
KG, you make me laugh... poor players who are not looking at the bad cudmore, but are provoking him the entire match (you should take another example because it's always the case against perpignan)... ahaha. No one knows which provocations are used against him on a field. I think Cudmore is just an idiot because his reaction his always to punch, but he is absolutely not a coward.
Chris, apologies for pissing you off... but if you were a Castres supporter, maybe you will be pissed off by other things, like stolen victory for example.
BTW, He totally deserves his ban.
Chris, apologies for pissing you off... but if you were a Castres supporter, maybe you will be pissed off by other things, like stolen victory for example.
BTW, He totally deserves his ban.
Flooz October 14, 2010 4:52 pm
RD forum become a place where everyone wants to be the lawyer of a player, whether the defence is impossible or not. as every lawyer, it often lacks objectivity.
to both anonymous,
Cudmore is a dirty player and i don't defend him as he is a recidivist and a big thug. I defend the fact that top14 players take more huge bans than others.
Maybe because, they are all thugs or maybe because ERC judges prefer to be more severe with them. don't really know...
Will see it in the next stages. but each year, the same stories The law is not the same for everybody and french clubs have to deal with it since many many years... That can explain, sometimes, the french fan parano;)
Ps: oh and the little thug, ignorant, frog eaters that we are, understand perfectly shakespeare.
Not so sure, it is reciprocal..
stop with this 100 years war attitude
cheers
to both anonymous,
Cudmore is a dirty player and i don't defend him as he is a recidivist and a big thug. I defend the fact that top14 players take more huge bans than others.
Maybe because, they are all thugs or maybe because ERC judges prefer to be more severe with them. don't really know...
Will see it in the next stages. but each year, the same stories The law is not the same for everybody and french clubs have to deal with it since many many years... That can explain, sometimes, the french fan parano;)
Ps: oh and the little thug, ignorant, frog eaters that we are, understand perfectly shakespeare.
Not so sure, it is reciprocal..
stop with this 100 years war attitude
cheers
Chris October 14, 2010 5:21 pm
Chris, apologies for pissing you off... but if you were a Castres supporter, maybe you will be pissed off by other things"
You didn't piss me off, somebody keeps using my name to talk garbage and invalidate my prior arguments
You didn't piss me off, somebody keeps using my name to talk garbage and invalidate my prior arguments
Eric C. October 14, 2010 7:49 pm
Chris dont be angry, you should be happy, im too smart and successful, and not nearly stupid and poor enough like you.
So that rules me out of nascar...you should join nascar....
you are lucky, we couldnt all be born with a plastic spoon in our mouths!
So that rules me out of nascar...you should join nascar....
you are lucky, we couldnt all be born with a plastic spoon in our mouths!
Anonymous October 14, 2010 8:01 pm
"KG, you make me laugh... BTW, He totally deserves his ban."
I don't see how I would make you laugh. My points were valid. All players are provoked to some degree on the pitch yet Cudmore reacts much more than most.
Regarding his cowardice, he punches players while they are not looking. I am not against punching to be honest, but I am completely against cheap shots / hitting in the back of the head as it is cowardly. If another player did it, I'd consider that player a coward. Cudmore has done it at least three times and for that, I consider him a coward.
"RD forum... cheers"
I'm not sure why you're talking about lawyers... Cudmore received 3 reds for punching, naturally, the bans will get harsher as Cudmore gets more reds for the same offence. There isn't really anything to debate.
From what I have seen, the Top 14 players bans have been deserved on all counts and the lengths of the bans were appropriate for the most part.
The law is the same for all. Perhaps the French players and fans do not see this as the case because they are getting the most bans and for the longest times, but as I said the bans were deserved and appropriate.
Also, I did not insult your ability to comprehend English or say any of those other things. Perhaps you can understand Shakespeare, but you still appear to have missed some of my previous points.
- KG
I don't see how I would make you laugh. My points were valid. All players are provoked to some degree on the pitch yet Cudmore reacts much more than most.
Regarding his cowardice, he punches players while they are not looking. I am not against punching to be honest, but I am completely against cheap shots / hitting in the back of the head as it is cowardly. If another player did it, I'd consider that player a coward. Cudmore has done it at least three times and for that, I consider him a coward.
"RD forum... cheers"
I'm not sure why you're talking about lawyers... Cudmore received 3 reds for punching, naturally, the bans will get harsher as Cudmore gets more reds for the same offence. There isn't really anything to debate.
From what I have seen, the Top 14 players bans have been deserved on all counts and the lengths of the bans were appropriate for the most part.
The law is the same for all. Perhaps the French players and fans do not see this as the case because they are getting the most bans and for the longest times, but as I said the bans were deserved and appropriate.
Also, I did not insult your ability to comprehend English or say any of those other things. Perhaps you can understand Shakespeare, but you still appear to have missed some of my previous points.
- KG
Chris October 14, 2010 10:13 pm
Chris dont be angry, you should be happy, im too smart and successful, and not nearly stupid and poor enough like you.
So that rules me out of nascar...you should join nascar....
you are lucky, we couldnt all be born with a plastic spoon in our mouths!
............
Lol mate. That's fucking gay as hell. I'm much better than you at turning left, believe me ;)
So that rules me out of nascar...you should join nascar....
you are lucky, we couldnt all be born with a plastic spoon in our mouths!
............
Lol mate. That's fucking gay as hell. I'm much better than you at turning left, believe me ;)
mise October 14, 2010 10:40 pm
People - calm down a bit. Unusual venom levels here.
No one posting here has even _seen_ the Cudmore stamp!
But 10 weeks for what we do know is a head stamp probably isn't excessive. A head is a head.
No one posting here has even _seen_ the Cudmore stamp!
But 10 weeks for what we do know is a head stamp probably isn't excessive. A head is a head.
Shaun October 15, 2010 1:21 pm
@Flooz
As you have said before this is a forum and people are allowed have opinions and say what they want. They don't just have to stick to your viewpoint.
So, "enough" with the telling people what they can and can't do maybe?
As you have said before this is a forum and people are allowed have opinions and say what they want. They don't just have to stick to your viewpoint.
So, "enough" with the telling people what they can and can't do maybe?
Juggernauter October 15, 2010 4:36 pm
I've got an idea. Let's get Cudmore and Bakkies in a cage and let them fight 'til death. That way we'll know if they can get to grips with guys their size and not always pick on small scrum halfs...
mat October 18, 2010 12:41 pm
the guy was pulling his scrum cap if you look.
10 weeks seems a lot for a soft punch / hard push
on someone pulling your head by the scrum cap
10 weeks seems a lot for a soft punch / hard push
on someone pulling your head by the scrum cap
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