Wednesday, October 20, 2010
Benoit Baby runs into a brick wall named Mikaele Tuugahala
It was an all French affair in Pool two of the Heineken Cup on Saturday as Racing Metro picked up their first win of the campaign by beating Clermont Auvergne 16-9. The only try of the match went to Sireli Bobo, but the clip featured here comes from another Pacific Islander.
We all know the penchant for big hits that stems from that part of the world, and while there have been unfortunately a few that have been misdirected of late, there was nothing wrong with this punishing hit from Racing Metro prop Mikaele Tuugahala.
Benoit Baby was the unlucky recipient as he picked the wrong guy to run into. The fullback was brought to a halt instantly by the veteran from Wallis and Futuna, who is actually the cousin of Toulons Jocelino Suta .
Possibly the most impressive thing is that despite running into and being smashed by a far bigger man, Baby got up after a few minutes and continued on.
It's actually not the first time we've seen Baby hit hard, as two years ago (to the day!) we posted a clip of him being nailed by Jean-Philippe Viard of Montauban.
Morgan Parra picked up a late penalty for Clermont which gave them a valuable losing bonus point as the result means that both sides are now sitting with one from two so far.
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Anonymous October 20, 2010 12:20 pm
That's an incredible hit. At first I thought it was just a shoulder charge, but the arms were there. Baby was just absolutely smashed.
NiWiTa October 20, 2010 12:35 pm
Nothing wrong with that hit...how it should be done. Impressed that the wee man managed to pick himself up off the deck.....more please RD
Bradders October 20, 2010 12:39 pm
that is probably the worst bit of attacking i have seen in a while. For an internationally capped player with that much space and time - needs to play a little more heads up if he wants to avoid being sat the heck down!
Mike October 20, 2010 12:42 pm
Good hit. Credit to Baby too, he knew it was coming and didn't duck out of it. Poor old Baby, there's probably a clip of him somewhere taking a huge hit from Munster scrum-hald Tomas O'Leary on the tryline that stopped him dead.
Les Bleus October 20, 2010 2:06 pm
Rene Ranger smashed Zane Kirchner like this aswell, but everyone said it was a yellow. This is exactly the same.
Laz October 20, 2010 2:20 pm
Ah Les Blues, trust you to always bring up stuff and cause a stir with your inaccurate views on the world of rugby. Completely different hits, with this one actually having BOTH his arms wrapped around the player at the point of content.
End of.
Huge tackle. He barely flinched! lol
End of.
Huge tackle. He barely flinched! lol
Anonymous October 20, 2010 2:52 pm
"Baby is tired, wants to lie down for a lickle while"
Anonymous October 20, 2010 3:09 pm
He went down like a frenchman......oh wait....nevermind...
(u-p)rick October 20, 2010 3:21 pm
In all honesty Les Bleus, I do not wish to cause an issue, but you are talking out of your arse....
I clicked straight onto the video you commented about (Ranger and Kirchner hit) and guess what I saw, a penalty worthy tackle (not because it was intentional but still just lazy) and nothing which demanded a yellow.
Guess what I then did? I clicked onto the comments, I then pressed ctrl+F and typed in 'Yellow' if you check yourself and actually have some facts behind your bullshit, you will see there are 13 hits when you do that.....one or two relate to kirchner's tackle on corey jane and the rest are relating to how a yellow would be harsh....
WHAT I DID NOT SEE WAS:
'everyone said it was a yellow'
I do however believe I saw one comment which was the closest thing to what you are saying which was: 'two penalties. nothing more needed but if yellow cards were shown they would be harsh but understandable.' which was written by miguel.
There you have it boyo, it is called research and justifying your arguments, which you can clearly not do!
As for this tackle...what a cracker. (rib cracker that is!) :)
Nice work RD!
I clicked straight onto the video you commented about (Ranger and Kirchner hit) and guess what I saw, a penalty worthy tackle (not because it was intentional but still just lazy) and nothing which demanded a yellow.
Guess what I then did? I clicked onto the comments, I then pressed ctrl+F and typed in 'Yellow' if you check yourself and actually have some facts behind your bullshit, you will see there are 13 hits when you do that.....one or two relate to kirchner's tackle on corey jane and the rest are relating to how a yellow would be harsh....
WHAT I DID NOT SEE WAS:
'everyone said it was a yellow'
I do however believe I saw one comment which was the closest thing to what you are saying which was: 'two penalties. nothing more needed but if yellow cards were shown they would be harsh but understandable.' which was written by miguel.
There you have it boyo, it is called research and justifying your arguments, which you can clearly not do!
As for this tackle...what a cracker. (rib cracker that is!) :)
Nice work RD!
eric October 20, 2010 3:29 pm
now thats every props dream... smashing the little running bitches as hard as possible!! That was just a perfect tackle
Huh!! the 3rd October 20, 2010 3:45 pm
Agree with Mike. O'Leary's hit on Baby in Dec '08 is probably more impressive as it was right on the try line and stopped Baby dead.
cheyanqui October 20, 2010 8:18 pm
Laz,
Spot on -- both arms up trying to wrap. As legal and as hard a hit as anyone can dream of delivering.
Les Bleus,
Ranger's hit -- one arm up, one arm tucked down. No surprise that the shoulder that hit was from the tucked arm.
If the referee can see the hanging arm from his angle, then PK + yellow.
If the hanging arm is on the opposite side, he cannot call what he cannot see.
You would hope TJ was in line, but sometimes, the TJs run a leading or trailing line, and get obscured by support players.
Spot on -- both arms up trying to wrap. As legal and as hard a hit as anyone can dream of delivering.
Les Bleus,
Ranger's hit -- one arm up, one arm tucked down. No surprise that the shoulder that hit was from the tucked arm.
If the referee can see the hanging arm from his angle, then PK + yellow.
If the hanging arm is on the opposite side, he cannot call what he cannot see.
You would hope TJ was in line, but sometimes, the TJs run a leading or trailing line, and get obscured by support players.
Chris October 20, 2010 8:24 pm
Completely different hits, with this one actually having BOTH his arms wrapped around the player at the point of content.
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Absolutely wrong. There's minimal difference at best between this and the Ranger hit. Both players PRETENDED to wrap. Lets not be naive, that's what players do, they fake the wrap.
The only difference is Renes looked worse because his man bounced off him.
Good hit though. Both legal imo
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Absolutely wrong. There's minimal difference at best between this and the Ranger hit. Both players PRETENDED to wrap. Lets not be naive, that's what players do, they fake the wrap.
The only difference is Renes looked worse because his man bounced off him.
Good hit though. Both legal imo
Laz October 20, 2010 8:58 pm
Youve reached new levels of lunacy Chris :) How can he pretend to wrap?? Is that like pretending to punch then quickly pulling away as your fist makes contact?
A wrap is a wrap isn't it? His arms are clearly wrapped around the guy as he makes the hit. Never heard such a ridiculous statement. The law states 'a player must attempt to grasp with both arms' or something roughly along those lines. That's what he did!! lol
A wrap is a wrap isn't it? His arms are clearly wrapped around the guy as he makes the hit. Never heard such a ridiculous statement. The law states 'a player must attempt to grasp with both arms' or something roughly along those lines. That's what he did!! lol
gman October 20, 2010 9:57 pm
I don't think Baby is very good... He was a promising but he is struggling a bit this season. Has anyone seen the shitty pass he made earlier in the season.
Anonymous October 20, 2010 9:58 pm
Thats an illegal hit. Dam do these islanders know how to tackle properly?
Anonymous October 20, 2010 10:20 pm
@ (obviously chris white or some other overly stringent northern hemisphere referee) above. pull your head out of your arse
this is rugby
this is rugby
NesianPower October 20, 2010 10:39 pm
@anon "Thats an illegal hit. Dam do these islanders know how to tackle properly?"
Yeah mate come over here and i'll show you personally lol
Yeah mate come over here and i'll show you personally lol
Chris October 20, 2010 11:03 pm
Youve reached new levels of lunacy Chris :) How can he pretend to wrap?? Is that like pretending to punch then quickly pulling away as your fist makes contact?
A wrap is a wrap isn't it? His arms are clearly wrapped around the guy as he makes the hit. Never heard such a ridiculous statement. The law states 'a player must attempt to grasp with both arms' or something roughly along those lines. That's what he did!! lol
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Mate, have you ever played or even watched rugby? There's a massive difference between attempting to wrap and tensing up your arm, sticking it out by your side and feining to wrap.
None of these guys make a genuine effort to wrap. They stick out their arms to give the impression they're attempting. You'd have to be a simpleton to fall for that.
It's nothing like pretending to throw a punch. It's more like smashing someone in the face with a cheeky palm under the guise of restraining someone or pushing someone away from you in self defense
A wrap is a wrap isn't it? His arms are clearly wrapped around the guy as he makes the hit. Never heard such a ridiculous statement. The law states 'a player must attempt to grasp with both arms' or something roughly along those lines. That's what he did!! lol
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Mate, have you ever played or even watched rugby? There's a massive difference between attempting to wrap and tensing up your arm, sticking it out by your side and feining to wrap.
None of these guys make a genuine effort to wrap. They stick out their arms to give the impression they're attempting. You'd have to be a simpleton to fall for that.
It's nothing like pretending to throw a punch. It's more like smashing someone in the face with a cheeky palm under the guise of restraining someone or pushing someone away from you in self defense
Tom October 21, 2010 1:00 am
Les Blues is 100% correct.
This and Rangers were fine tackles, neither a shoulder charge.
THE LAW SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WRAPPING
I put that in capital, cuz it never sinks in.
The law states a player must make an attempt to grasp the other player.
That's it, that's all it says.
It doesn't talk about wrapping, using both arms to grasp him or any of the other bullshit that NH fans (it's almost always NH fans) go on about when theys ee illegal tackles (they seem them everywhere).
There is no "wrapping" law.
It doesn;t exist.
There a tackle law that states a player must make some attempt to grasp the other player at some point during the tackle.
That's all it says.
Get over the shoulder charge obsession. Most tackles that get called as shoulder charges are not shoulder charges at all.
A true shoulder charge doesn't involve the arms in any way at all.
It's when you tuck your arms up to your side and hit sideways with the point of the shoulder.
This and Rangers were fine tackles, neither a shoulder charge.
THE LAW SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WRAPPING
I put that in capital, cuz it never sinks in.
The law states a player must make an attempt to grasp the other player.
That's it, that's all it says.
It doesn't talk about wrapping, using both arms to grasp him or any of the other bullshit that NH fans (it's almost always NH fans) go on about when theys ee illegal tackles (they seem them everywhere).
There is no "wrapping" law.
It doesn;t exist.
There a tackle law that states a player must make some attempt to grasp the other player at some point during the tackle.
That's all it says.
Get over the shoulder charge obsession. Most tackles that get called as shoulder charges are not shoulder charges at all.
A true shoulder charge doesn't involve the arms in any way at all.
It's when you tuck your arms up to your side and hit sideways with the point of the shoulder.
not really October 21, 2010 7:36 am
Lets make Chris an international referee right away, or even a member of the IRB! He clearly knows what he's talking about....... all this fake wrapping and sneakyness.. these players sure know how to get one over the refs. About time someone like Chris got in there and sorted out that tom foolery. Dummy-legal -tackles, it's a phenomenon and needs to be stamped out of the game. You know, when players have enough time to wrap, then unwrap, then shoulder charge! A worrying trend. Chris, sort it out please. Thank you oh knowledgeable one.
(u-p)rick October 21, 2010 10:02 am
Strangely enough though tom, in this tackle and also the tackle by ranger i didnt see any NH supporters crying about the tackle saying it was illegal...
....so it appears you have a lot in common with les bleus.....other than the fact you agree with his ridiculous comment....there is no fact to your comment...
how about you read the comments on the ranger tackle....or how about you even watch the tackle....or better yet read my other comment further up and just imagine i wrote it to you, because to be frank it just as much applies to you as that other idiot!
....so it appears you have a lot in common with les bleus.....other than the fact you agree with his ridiculous comment....there is no fact to your comment...
how about you read the comments on the ranger tackle....or how about you even watch the tackle....or better yet read my other comment further up and just imagine i wrote it to you, because to be frank it just as much applies to you as that other idiot!
NiWiTa October 21, 2010 12:30 pm
Ahhh Tom - so much anger there against your Northern cousins! Rene Ranger tackle was poorly exeucuted and deserved a penalty...Tuugahala's was perfection. Simple fact methinks :)
Chris October 21, 2010 12:41 pm
Lets make Chris an international referee right away, or even a member of the IRB! He clearly knows what he's talking about....... all this fake wrapping and sneakyness.. these players sure know how to get one over the refs. About time someone like Chris got in there and sorted out that tom foolery. Dummy-legal -tackles, it's a phenomenon and needs to be stamped out of the game. You know, when players have enough time to wrap, then unwrap, then shoulder charge! A worrying trend. Chris, sort it out please. Thank you oh knowledgeable one.
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Almost a sarcasm win. If not for the fact I'm a massive supporter of the shoulder charge. If I was in charge I'd get rid of the wrapping rule straight away.
Nice though. Keep the Ad hom's coming, you only make yourself look stupid.
That you don't understand the difference between attempting to wrap and pretending to wrap is hilarious.
How old are you?
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Almost a sarcasm win. If not for the fact I'm a massive supporter of the shoulder charge. If I was in charge I'd get rid of the wrapping rule straight away.
Nice though. Keep the Ad hom's coming, you only make yourself look stupid.
That you don't understand the difference between attempting to wrap and pretending to wrap is hilarious.
How old are you?
Laz October 21, 2010 3:58 pm
Argh Chris, why do I see your name trolling around here on most threads?
I'm 32 if you must know. You?
I think the majority of readers here will readily acknowledge who's coming off looking more stupid here mate.
I dont really see the difference, no. Please explain? To me if a guys arms are around another player when he hits him, then that's legal. He can be 'pretending' or not. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a legal tackle.
I'm 32 if you must know. You?
I think the majority of readers here will readily acknowledge who's coming off looking more stupid here mate.
I dont really see the difference, no. Please explain? To me if a guys arms are around another player when he hits him, then that's legal. He can be 'pretending' or not. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a legal tackle.
Sander October 21, 2010 5:18 pm
Somtimes I'd wish there were Aussie commentators with these big hit videos...
Gotta love those guys :)
Massive tackle, prop must've thought it was Christmas come early!
Gotta love those guys :)
Massive tackle, prop must've thought it was Christmas come early!
Tom October 21, 2010 10:18 pm
Uprick, whatever mate, I don't care.
Not really sure what you're going on about, your completely missing the point and your making it personal. If I agree with someone and you don't like it, tough.
I'm talking about tackling.
And I just wanted to repeat one more time, wrapping isn't a term under the laws.
Stop talking about wrapping like it means anything.
Not really sure what you're going on about, your completely missing the point and your making it personal. If I agree with someone and you don't like it, tough.
I'm talking about tackling.
And I just wanted to repeat one more time, wrapping isn't a term under the laws.
Stop talking about wrapping like it means anything.
Benson October 22, 2010 9:24 am
Wrap and 'grasp' are quite similar though aren't they? Both arms need to be attempting to grasp the player.
Its clear as daylight that that is what's happening here. Good hit, nothing wrong with it imo.
Its clear as daylight that that is what's happening here. Good hit, nothing wrong with it imo.
Jimbo October 22, 2010 7:26 pm
This should clear up the wrap/grasp discussion.
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_10_en.pdf
Page 61 (g)
however if you've ever used a thesaurus you would find the word wrap next to grasp!
I for one think this was a great tackle that should never of happened in the first place. Professional back should have looked up run around the prop!!!
And Tom, I'm amazed you can tell which hemisphere people are from just from reading their name!!! Hit's up here are just as big as they are down there so get over yourself!!!
http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/law_10_en.pdf
Page 61 (g)
however if you've ever used a thesaurus you would find the word wrap next to grasp!
I for one think this was a great tackle that should never of happened in the first place. Professional back should have looked up run around the prop!!!
And Tom, I'm amazed you can tell which hemisphere people are from just from reading their name!!! Hit's up here are just as big as they are down there so get over yourself!!!
(u-p)rick October 22, 2010 9:59 pm
Problem is tom, your comment says something completely untrue....
I wasnt referring to the wrapping law, or no law as the case is...but the fact you made a blanket comment about NH supporters....
I mean, did you watch the tackle with ranger? Who was the coach in the box making gestures about arms? an NH supporter? did you read the comments? how many NH supporters did you see who made a big deal out of the tackle? in fact more importantly how many comments full stop made an issue out of the tackle?!?
I have never read a comment from either NH or SH supporters regarding using both arms to grasp a player?!? where did you pick that one up from?!
This tackle was fine with me....the tackle by ranger for me was not much else, i mean yes to me it didnt look like he made much effort to grasp the opponent...but the tackle itself wasnt too bad....so for me its a penalty at most...
I think you're just trying to find and cause trouble where it isnt necessary....
I wasnt referring to the wrapping law, or no law as the case is...but the fact you made a blanket comment about NH supporters....
I mean, did you watch the tackle with ranger? Who was the coach in the box making gestures about arms? an NH supporter? did you read the comments? how many NH supporters did you see who made a big deal out of the tackle? in fact more importantly how many comments full stop made an issue out of the tackle?!?
I have never read a comment from either NH or SH supporters regarding using both arms to grasp a player?!? where did you pick that one up from?!
This tackle was fine with me....the tackle by ranger for me was not much else, i mean yes to me it didnt look like he made much effort to grasp the opponent...but the tackle itself wasnt too bad....so for me its a penalty at most...
I think you're just trying to find and cause trouble where it isnt necessary....
Tom October 24, 2010 10:32 pm
I genuinly believe that NH supporters and even officials and refs see illegal tackles where southern supporters and officials don't.
I also believe that the wrapping thing comes from NH supporters.
The law doesn't say that both arms have to grasp either, it doesn't refer to arms at all.
It just says the player must attempt to graps the other player.
The problem with the term wrap is it implies that a player must wrap the other player with his arms, which is not a requirment at all.
He does not have to egt his arsm round the other player, he doesn't have to wrap anyone, he doesn't even have to succesfully grasp the other player, he simply must make some attempt to grasp the other player at some point during the tackle.
It was a rule designed to remove one style of tackling, the calssic shoulder charge, which involves running in sideways, with your arms tucked up to your chest and smashing into someone only with the point of your shoulder.
It is now being misinterpreted and resulting in penalties for completely legitimate tackles, and the term wrapping is only confusing people more.
I also believe that the wrapping thing comes from NH supporters.
The law doesn't say that both arms have to grasp either, it doesn't refer to arms at all.
It just says the player must attempt to graps the other player.
The problem with the term wrap is it implies that a player must wrap the other player with his arms, which is not a requirment at all.
He does not have to egt his arsm round the other player, he doesn't have to wrap anyone, he doesn't even have to succesfully grasp the other player, he simply must make some attempt to grasp the other player at some point during the tackle.
It was a rule designed to remove one style of tackling, the calssic shoulder charge, which involves running in sideways, with your arms tucked up to your chest and smashing into someone only with the point of your shoulder.
It is now being misinterpreted and resulting in penalties for completely legitimate tackles, and the term wrapping is only confusing people more.
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