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Sunday, November 28, 2010

England bashed by the 'Boks at Twickenham

England bashed by the 'Boks at Twickenham

The sense of optimism that has been emerging in English rugby in recent weeks was dealt a thundering blow on Saturday as a rattled England side were well beat 21-11 by South Africa at Twickenham.

The Springboks gave the Red Rose team a tough lesson in muscular, bullying rugby with a physical display at the set-piece that England could not handle.

Eleven points from Morne Steyn and two tries from replacement flanker Willem Alberts and wing Lwazi Mvovo saw the Springboks earn their seventh consecutive test win over the home side who had no answer to the South African physicality.

Clearly hurting from the shock defeat to Scotland last weekend, the Springboks were quick out of the blocks, and despite the absence of Schalk Burger, John Smit, Fourie de Preez and Bryan Habana, the Springboks hit England with everything but the kitchen sink.

The first-half was a turgid affair, with only an outstanding defensive performance from Ben Youngs and Courtney Lawes, the standout players of Englands series, denying South Africa a try through their captain Victor Matfield. Two penalities from Toby Flood and Steyn saw the half-time scores at 6-6.

South Africas dominance eventually told in the shape of tries for replacement forward Willem Alberts and wing Lwazi Mvovo that confirmed the win for the visitors. Ben Foden scored a consolation interception try, although the missed conversion from centre Mike Tindalls epitomised the England performance.

England manager Martin Johnson was frustrated was his sides poor execution: "There were too many mistakes. Some of them were forced by their pressure but you can't compound them and let the opposition keep coming at you," he said.

"We just invited pressure back onto ourselves. Test match rugby is pretty basic and pretty simple but you have to execute the fundamentals under pressure. Too many times we didn't secure the ball. Those errors just hurt us."

South African head coach Peter De Villiers, however, admitted he was initially not so confident his side would overcome the in-form England.

"We saw the character. We stood up for ourselves. Against Wales we won the game with our defence. Tonight we won it with our attack.

"This is a big win for the country, a big win for the team. We put a marker down so we can build next year a bit easier."


Time: 05:44
Note: Thanks to tonytai2017. Better highlights will be updated later in the week.

Posted at 1:21 pm | 59 comments

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 12:55 pm

As an Enlgand supporter I firstly have to say well done to the boks.
It was a very fustrating game to watch.
England made every mistake and penalty they could. Not an enjoyable game at all, but thems the breaks

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Maximus November 28, 2010 1:02 pm

"the Springboks hit England with everything but the kitchen sink"
hahaha very good RD!

But I think they couldn't use it because the Australians were using it on us Frenchies...

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Alexander November 28, 2010 1:03 pm

Smart, smart play by SA, Utilising their line-out and size to their advantage! They smashed England all over the park all day. If only they could consistently play like this, their year to date would've been less miserable.

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 1:04 pm

england supporter as well win some you lose some fair play.
dont like blaming the ref but found myself shouting at him alot this game dont know if it was because it was a terrible game watch with a lot of mistakes from both sides or did anyone else think the ref had a shocker?

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Flooz November 28, 2010 1:27 pm

I see no video

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 1:33 pm

No Flooz these comments are from people who actually watched the game. . .

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Ted November 28, 2010 1:46 pm

Boks thoroughly deserved their win, they looked like men against boys today.

For England it was a return to the same faults of the last eight years: a terrible line out, no idea how to play the ref, no clue what to do with the ball in the oppo 22. Once Flood and Croft went off nobody else seemed to know what to do.

England's autumn:

vs NZ 6/10
vs Aus 8/10
vs Samoa 7/10
vs SA 5/10

A better autumn than any we've had since 2003 but still a long way from what the biggest, richest RFU in the world should be producing.

I would say the world cup is looking interesting. It seems like most sides can beat most others on their day.

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Douglas November 28, 2010 2:36 pm

Going into this game I wondered why everyone was favoring England. England has been notoriously bad against the Saffas lately, and England always has trouble with teams that can match them physically. No different today.

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Sander November 28, 2010 4:04 pm

Horrible game ...Springboks deserved the win, though. Credit to them; they turned up and played to the gameplan.


England looked lost, lacked direction and didn't play the referee at all.

Found myself shaking my head when Charlie Hodgson came on. Nothing personal against the guy, but is he really the 3rd choice England fly-half?

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 5:09 pm

hahaha so much for amazing england
boks brought you back down to earth you pommy faggots.

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Huh!! the 3rd November 28, 2010 5:17 pm

Anon above, this was a rugby game, not soccer last I checked.

SA did to Eng what they did to Ire; Strangulation. Although, even though Foden's try was against the run of play, it did reflect the game. Not too much between them.

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Jimbo November 28, 2010 5:22 pm

^^^^ :) ^^^^

nice to see the comment above is in line with the rest of this thread. Could this be an Aussie? Well played SA. Thoroughly deserved win and goes to show that you can't keep a good team down. As an England supporter I'm glad this happened. Showed that we still have a long way to go if we want to compete in the WC next year. All SH are massive threats and can not be counted out. Matfield was awesome, botha not so much. A good win SA!

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 6:56 pm

Bismarck du Plessis was immense.One of the most physical players ive seen.Same goes to Juan Smit.Spies had a good game for a change or did play he play good this autumn?

As an English supporter it was the most frustrating game to watch. Dont really think the ref had a bad game,in fact he had prety good game.It was just us who made allota maistakes and never pitched.Tom Croft is key,when he and Flood went of,it was as good as over.Lawes played supurb,did well against world class locks.


Imagine the Boks forwards and the all blacks backs.Now that would be a team.I just really think the boks have the best pack of forwards in the world.

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(u-p)rick November 28, 2010 7:08 pm

Not suprised one bit!

After the scottish game i had no doubts the english team would be punished....the boks had something to prove and the team in their way was england, not to mention how weak the english team is already......

Missed the match so looking forward to the highlights!

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 7:09 pm

'Spies had a good game for a change or did play he play good this autumn?'

He has played pretty well all autumn

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katman November 28, 2010 7:15 pm

The only downside to this win is that Pieter De Villers gets a stay of execution.

Lwasi Mvovo is a great talent. Hope he stays in the Bok picture. So too Willem Alberts. In fact, I'd start with Alberts at 8 and bring Spies on for the last 25 minutes, when the opposition is badly wounded and scared.

For England, Croft was great until his injury. And Courtney Lawes is a keeper - gets stuck in all over the pitch. The backs looked flat and lifeless though. Is Tindall really the best there is?

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JPM November 28, 2010 7:46 pm

Full credit to the Boks. They deserved their win.

Still, I feel as though England are going in the right direction. When England got killed 45-6 two years ago in the same fixture it truly was men against boys...they have progressed.

Still, Tindall and Hape are too similair...both big bashers with no creativity. There is nobody to unlock the defense. Losing Croft and Flood did not help....

For SA, Ruan Pienaar is a real clever player who rarely makes a bad decision...and their pack played very well....Juan Smith and Bismark Du Plessis excellent. They definitely out muscled us. Funny to see Spies get thrown into touch by Ben Foden..the smallest guy on the pitch!

Also there is no way Ashton should have stayed on...he was clearly out of it and did nothing after the his head clash...see second Bok try...he was in la la land.

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 8:10 pm

^^lol,me lauging to it too.
Not taking anything away from spies though,he played good and drove our forwards back on defense

I agree with anon,SA truly does have great pack upfront.Adding a Schalck Burger to that mix,you cant get more physical than that.

We are getting better under Martin Johnson,but we have to expect a bad game every once in a while.Baby steps... and then one day really soon... we'll be back!YNWA!

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 8:36 pm

I was at the game and I tell you as some of those tackles by the boks ... WOW - you could hear them from where I was sitting!! And their scrum, pushing us back?? Their lineout - well we all know this is world class, Matfield is an amazing player! Boks always win with doing the basics right and I believe that most of the England errors (knockon's etc) came from tackles which would make even Jono Lomo want to cry! Well played Boks, you deserved the win and you will be one to watch come RWC time again!

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 8:37 pm

Best pack in the world by far, no doubt in my mind!

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 8:38 pm

The day the boks get backs to match their forwards, is a day the world must be scared, very scared..

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Anonymous November 28, 2010 8:41 pm

Im no expert on SA rugby but I know that they had 2x teams in the S14 final, why then do they not have the backs to match their forwards because surely the backs in both theS14 teams must have scored tries against the Aussies and AB's in order to get to the final in the first place??

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katman November 28, 2010 8:50 pm

The backline on Saturday was missing Fourie Du Preez, Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana and JP Petersen. Those have been the regular starters alongside Morne Steyn and Jean De Villiers for the past couple of years. Add the injured Juan De Jongh (fast becoming a first choice centre) to that long list of injured players and it's not difficult to see why the backs were undercooked.

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Xavier November 28, 2010 11:06 pm

I didn't watch the game, so can someone explain me why I'm seeing all this "bashing" talk, when the score was 21-11? A 10 point difference doesn't seem that big of a difference.

Or did England put out such a sorry performance?

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Tom November 28, 2010 11:26 pm

The Boks beat England by taking them on up front and bashed them, physically.
That's what's meant by the term, the Boks were more physical than England.

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Nigel November 28, 2010 11:44 pm

Phew! - the peaking too early has now stopped, I for one am so relieved. But just as Martin Johnson said after being beaten by the New Zealanders for the ninth time in a row, England should not go around patting themselves on the back.

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Shark Attack November 28, 2010 11:51 pm

Bit disappointing England were a long way off the pace.

Scoreline could have been a 50 pointer but for poor bokke finishing.

I honestly just think England made the mistake of tryin to drag us into a trial of brute strenght and physicality.

Guess I shouldnt complain

Must say that Courtney Lawes looks like quite the promising player

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 12:24 am

Well done to the boks, even if this means prolonging the suffering under PdV,Dick and Gold. I predicted we wont win a grand slam because of PdV and I was right, but I thought Ierland or England will beat us not the Scots.

Why dont we have the backs to match the forwards? I think we do but due to injury and very poor team selections we didnt bring the majority of them. Khirschner and Jacobs should have stayed home (Stegman aswell)Guess they dont select them selves well certainly not by the way they normally play. Jacobs propably didnt accumulate 1 hour of playing time during the whole CC.

Like that they took a guy like Mvovo on tour and scored on his debute. Reminds me of another winger that scored 4 tries on his debute against Australia and was almost never seen in a Bok jersey again. Hopefully Mvovo has more luck.

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 12:40 am

So Englands win over Australia was just a blip?

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Player23 November 29, 2010 12:42 am

Couple of points in reply to above comments. (Sorry to opinionated comment 1st read after)

Fourie Du Preez is to Springbok rugby as Dan Carter is to NZ

Jaque Fourie had a massive season with the Stormers and is certainly one of the best centres in the business.

Heinrich Brussow is our version of Richie McCaw or David Pocock. Marginal on the rule book but very good at getting away with it and a nightmare to play against.

Pierre Spies a force to fear moving forwards.

Gerhard van den Heever - watch this space


Come WC time we'll be ready even with PdV. We have a backline to do it.

The Bulls own Super Rugby. Might bring Courtney Lawes to Loftus when Matfield hangs up the boots.

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Wessel November 29, 2010 11:02 am

Dick Muir has allot to answer for. In the super 14 Province had the most exciting attacking backline (except for Qeensland's Reds), and the Bulls backline were more adventurous Bull's one since I can remember.

I hope the Boks hire an Eddie Jones to sort out the backline. And quick.

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Wessel November 29, 2010 11:08 am

for those that don't know Dick Muir is an ex Bok center (tough as nails crash ball type) and ex Natal sharks and now Bok backline coach.

During his reign at Natal their backs were not very creative it has to be said.

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katman November 29, 2010 11:30 am

And DIck Muir took the Lions, who were already at the very bottom of the pile, and dug them a nice deep hole in two short seasons. Thankfully they now have John Mitchell to try and restore some pride in Joburg.

Muir is useless. Gary Gold is useless. And De Villiers is useless. I suspect those three were more surprised by this win than anyone else.

Hey Wessel. Hoe lykit.

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edbok November 29, 2010 12:51 pm

Mixed feelings overall given it was neither as convincing a win as it should have been, nor was it the kind of performance that might have put an end to the PdV era.

The big question for next year is, and it has always been, will Fourie du Preez again have a transformative influence on this side, and turn them again into world beaters.

I don't agree with all the comments about Dick Muir above - he did a very good job coaching the Sharks, that was an exciting young side that should have delivered the S14 in 2007. He was also a very intelligent inside centre, he was pivotal when Mallet's side was unbeatable.

He stunk up the Lions though; he should never have had this job as well as the Bok assistant job. And the backline selections this year have been abysmal.

But he has stuff on his CV that I still buy, PdV not so much.

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Wessel November 29, 2010 12:53 pm

Nee Sharp Katman. Is Gold that bad? I mean our forwards are excellent! Or is that the influence of Os du Randt?

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 12:54 pm

Well played SA. SA picked a tactic (I believe it is called "hit them till it hurts") and executed it.

I really didn't think that SA did anything special and as many comments have pointed out - it just goes to show that the WC will be exciting as any team can beat any team right now.

England had some good moments, but way too many errors. The biggest being the inclusion of Danny Care. What a useless sack of nothing. Not only does he telegraph his every pass, he takes 5 minutes to make a decision, as well as closing out space as he runs sideways, but he could actually be seen running sideways AND BACKWARDS during the game. Dickson (from saints) and Simpson (from wasps) are leagues ahead of the moron.

I'd also point out the try, when Ashton got stepped, Care drifted way past and left the hole undefended. What a chopper.

Also Nick Easter, his useless quins team mate, has now fumbled 4 balls forward in try scoring potential phases in 3 games. Shocking. And, to add insult to injury, he held up the ball at the back of the scrum for youngs and gave rubbish delivery.


As for the comments about the ref, I thought he was ok, he missed stuff, but no ref catches everything and the calls he made were pretty good.

Exciting times for international rugby!

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NiWiTa November 29, 2010 1:22 pm

Well done Boks - can't complain at the result as an England supporter. Problems all over the filed for England as well as a few glimpses of promise (Croft. Lawes & Flood). Wish Atwood played or did he?

Anyhow thankfully Boks backline was wasteful which made things closer....disappointed by England attempting to play the Boks at their own big forwards games! Still at least PDV still has a job he he he

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katman November 29, 2010 1:38 pm

Wessel, I think Gold had very little to do with the forwards' performance on Saturday. That was just down to aggression and commitment, and not so much a tactical game plan. Our lineout has always been good, our scrummaging was solid but not spectacular and we managed a couple of decent driving mauls. But the biggest improvement was the ferocity at the breakdown on their ball and the committed protection on our ball. Our loosies were up for the scrap - Spies had his most physical game in ages and Alberts must surely get a starting spot sooner rather than later. I don't think Gold coached any of that.

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 2:15 pm

In regards to the ref I dont think he had a particularly bad game would have been justified to hand a couple of yellow cards to England and threatened too as well as a penalty try against Easter around the 26 min mark but glad he didnt. A less liberal ref would have ruined the game

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 3:41 pm

Spies wasn't thrown into touch by Ben Foden. You can see quite clearly Spies braked, put his leg out to bolster himself, and flung Ben Foden into touch.

Problem was of course, Foden didn't break off and took Spies into touch along with himself.

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 5:00 pm

As a neutral on this game, one England player caught my eye all game. Yes, Nick Easter.
Failed to make a single yard in all his carries.
Pitiful performance by a loose forward.

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Juggernauter November 29, 2010 6:22 pm

How come Steve Thompson always ends up getting into scuffles?

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Anonymous November 29, 2010 8:23 pm

Great Game by the Bok forwards as a saffer i was quitely content. having said that i though the english defence beside a slip up or two was superb, they have definately improved over the last few games should make for a great world cup!

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Danny P November 29, 2010 9:30 pm

fair play to the Boks, they took the pack head on, dominated the set peice, and for the most part, the backs.

Peace out x

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Biggsy November 30, 2010 8:01 am

Is it just me that wonders why Johnson continues to pick players past their prime (like Tindall) when he has young talent on the bench (Bannahan).

England should have known that the Boks would play the way they did but they still had no answer.

Well played Boks. 30-11 would have been a fairer reflection of how the game went.

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martin-offload November 30, 2010 9:03 am

In the midfield hape works, but england need to find a 13 Tindall just doesn't have the skills of a world class centre. Without the creative thrust of Greenwood to put him in space, he is a slow, crash ball runner who hasn't got the handling skills to unlock defences

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Anonymous November 30, 2010 11:57 am

@Biggsy

I don't think it's wise to have a team full of youngsters, many of whom were playing there first game against SA. The team need some experience.

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Anonymous November 30, 2010 1:13 pm

Why are the Saffas celebrating? You strangled out a poor all round game, and England were worse on the day. F Steyn bored us all to tears with more shite kicking, and you're now going to be stuck with your coaching staff for the world cup. You needed a clean break, not more of the same turgid stuff.

I think in the long run you'd have done better off losing and having grounds for getting a new coach. Frankly I'm happy for you to be run by a circus, it means you won't be in the mix come New Zealand.

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M November 30, 2010 2:11 pm

I wouldn't like to be caught in between Sheridan and Botha...

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Anonymous November 30, 2010 5:30 pm

Smart try from Foden he saw the 3 man overlap and snuffed out the offload.

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Anonymous November 30, 2010 9:18 pm

Anon ass two posts above, even with a shite coach, a luke warm performance and 14 injured players, we still beat YOU - now who did you say wouldn't have a shot in NZ next year...ummmm??? Exactly!!

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Anonymous November 30, 2010 9:20 pm

^^ LOL - well said mate! Boks will always be a force come any world cup!

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Tom November 30, 2010 10:51 pm

haha, hows the anonamous guy, if South africa are hopeless and have no hope at the world cup, and they still beat England at home, what does that say about England?
Idiot.

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Anonymous December 01, 2010 12:22 am

Sudafricanos jueguen pero por favor no vuelvan a referear

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zacaria December 01, 2010 1:22 pm

bloody fantastic

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Benny V December 01, 2010 4:33 pm

now that rugbyzone is no more, us poor folk overseas are totally reliant on rugbydump, please include the 'better highlights' soon, we want to know what all the fuss is all about!
By the way: Thanks for posting anything at all, if it was up to the like of SuperSport rugby as a sport will never get the exposure in other countries it deserves.

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Anonymous December 04, 2010 5:14 pm

Can we have highlights of the period of English defence where the Boks were driven back from the line please?

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