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Tuesday, December 14, 2010

Perpignan's power up front leads to win over Leicester Tigers

Perpignan's power up front leads to win over Leicester Tigers

Leicester went down 24-19 to Perpignan on the weekend in an extraordinary Heineken Cup game that showed that the power of the scrum still can have a massive impact on the result. This clip shows the disastrous lead up to the first try, and then the other two as well.

It was a fairly uneventful first half but after a neat Jerome Porical chip over the top forced Scott Hamilton to take the ball over for a five metre scrum, Perpignan were then given the opportunity to asert themselves up front.

They did just that, as penalty after penalty were given and after going up repeatedly, referee Alan Lewis eventually decided to warn, and subsequently yellow card both hookers. It was a fascinating sequence of play that the tradisionalist and front rowers out there will no doubt love dissecting.

It did however eventually come right, and the ball was moved to the backs, resulting in a great crosskick and try for Adrien Plante. Leicester prop Dan Cole was pulled from the park at half time, with Perpignans Perry Freshwater having relished the confrontation.

"That run up to half-time was tough. We were trying to get going, but in France we tend to push up a little bit. We were trying to get on top of them, but he yellow-carded the two hookers. We tried again and luckily we scored from it," Freshwater said.

"Im a big admirer of Dan Cole. Hes been doing fantastic things. I dont think hes there yet, but I think hes a very good player, and Castro, when he came off the bench.

"All our second rows push extremely hard at Perpignan and we put big emphasis on the back row staying with us for this game. We knew the scrum would be a big battleground. It makes a real big difference when we push as an eight," he added.

Jerome Porical later crossed for a well worked try, as did Geordan Murphy for the Tigers. Toby Flood and Porical exchanged penalties, but a late long-range miss from Porical meant that Leicester at least left with a losing bonus point.

The two sides meet again at Welford Road this coming weekend.

If you're a regular on here, you'll know by now that the premise of Rugbydump is not to show highlights of every single game that takes place, but rather to feature the best clips with the most interesting pieces of action for rugby fans around the world. So if you spotted anything else on the weekend that you think should be featured, please get in touch with details.

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no9 December 14, 2010 9:12 pm

fantastic refereeing!

thought i might get this in first, a referee cannot award a penalty try unless the team looks like they were going to score, perpignan weren't moving forward in the scrum therefore to penalty try.

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calman December 14, 2010 9:14 pm

good call no9, shame about the amount of time they spent on the scrum though,

but saying that it was the captian who decided they wanted to go for it and it was after half time.

im happy :)

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Leeners93 December 14, 2010 9:52 pm

absolutely disagree,thought it was awful refereeing.watching this match,i was frustrated,the supporters were frustrated,the players were frustrated.the leicester hooker simply couldn't handle the pressure,it was a disgrace that the perpignan hooker was sin-binned as well.

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Anonymous December 14, 2010 9:56 pm

ref should have made it golden oldies after the 3rd one.

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Pobol y Cwm December 14, 2010 9:56 pm

I thought that was great viewing! Great work RD.

Bit of controversy about the scrums over the weekend, interestingly John Beattie a regular BBC columnist has some views on it, one suggestions he has is:

"Packs should go down front row on front row, with no pushing, second rows next, then back row - with pushing only allowed as the ball is put in.

If there is one collapsed scrum either up or down then there should be an official warning. And then on the second collapse both sets of front rows should be put in the sin bin."

If you fancy reading a little more see:

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Gaz December 14, 2010 10:03 pm

It looks to me like there is a massive shunt from both back 5s and the front rows just can't take the strain.

Admittedly I'm a back and don't pretend to know anything about front row play.

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Tom December 14, 2010 10:12 pm

Jesus christ, it's one apsect of the game, just one.
Whay are Europeans so obsessed with the scrum?
You want to sin bin half the bloody team when a scrum collapses?
Scrums will always collapse, they always have. There's about 750- things that can lead to a scrum collapse, most of them out of a front rowers control.

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Flooz December 14, 2010 10:14 pm

I'm completly disagree with some comments here
a special blink to No9 ;)

Perpignan pack was destroying tigers one. It was not a question about how meters perpignan scrum was winning. Just have a look at the tigers hooker! He was always lifting his elbow and shoulders in order to relieve the scrum.

I'm a not a big fan of the penalty scrum, but here was a serious case of "refuse to play"

I think it will be the same type of match in welford road. Very hard to guess a winner

Porical have fire in legs, he could may come back in the french squad for the 6 nations

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numro 8 December 14, 2010 10:41 pm

"to feature the best clips with the most interesting pieces of action for rugby fans" : The best game of the week was Clermont/Leinster : cold weather, warm atmosphere, two big teams with great attacking styles, and three beautiful tries... If you can find the highlights it would be great. thanks

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Justin December 14, 2010 10:42 pm

With regard those scrums I think 'fascinating sequence of play' is the overstatement of the year. The scrum is becoming a joke where pretty much every referee comes up with his own interpretation of the laws. If spectators can't understand why a decision goes one way or the other, well that sort of ruins the spectacle, no? The time for a total reevaluation of the scrum isn't approaching, it's already here. Grow a pair IRB.

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Tom December 14, 2010 10:56 pm

@Pobol y Cwm
Beattie's solution pretty much looks like what we are experiencing in France since the beginning of the year in the lower divisions (from the 4th to the last if I'm not mistaken).
We go down with no impact and push only when the ball is introduced (not more than one meter).
Well...It's boring as hell! Okay, that great for the safety of the front rowers, but it kills the scrum play. Even as a flanker, I feel useless with these new rules. The scrum is now of no use. The team that introduces always gets the ball...I don't want to see that in elite rugby!

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USE IT December 14, 2010 11:21 pm

Why the hell don't referees use the "USE IT!" more? I could think of 2-3minutes that could have been saved had the ref said Use It when clearly George Piss Chuter (worst hooker ever, I'm sure he was just getting dominated and couldnt handle it. Its a damn shame Tincu, a great player had to go too) would stand up. On the fifth time or so I'm sure the ref could have just yelled Use It and got on with the game. No team had any advantage and I see it as a much better solution than to sinbin two front rowers at the same time.

If the scrum keeps popping up, it's not like it was even going down as much as going up. All game. As if the front rowers couldnt handle a bit of a nudge and stood up under pressure and gave up, brutal. If it just keeps popping up, why doesn't the ref yell Use It? Whats the rule on Use It anyway, or is it another gott damn interpretation different from ref to ref? I say he could have yelled Use It and then the 8 either picks and scores/recycles, regardless, scrum is over, game moves on. Or he yells Use It and it gets passed to the backline or the 9 takes it and THE GAME MOVES ON. Southern hemisphere games seem to have a lot more of this. So does Nigel Owens tho.

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Juggernauter December 14, 2010 11:59 pm

Haha George Chuter is too old to handle scrums properly maybe... I'd rather just skip the scrums. They used to be such fun and now they are ruining the spectacle as such.

Tom said: "Jesus christ, it's one apsect of the game, just one.
Whay are Europeans so obsessed with the scrum?"

I'm not european but the scrums are a big concern as they are paramount in our game. If you don't like that, you should watch league, or gelic football or aussie rules. Or even football.


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Tom December 15, 2010 12:18 am

Paramount? It's just one aprt of the game, like line outs, passing, kicking, running, takcling.
It's not the be and end all of rugby.
And it's an inherintly unstable thing, they will always collpase as much ro more than they stay up.
It's just the nature of the beast.

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Luxi December 15, 2010 12:19 am

poor refereeing of the scrum area, cos you can clearly see perpignan pushing forward on the impact, even with the new hookers, and chuter always popped up first so a penalty try shoulda been awarded, but in the end it didnt really matter as they scored on the cross kick, it just tired out the forwards

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secondfive December 15, 2010 12:21 am

@Use It. I agree with much of what you say. It looks like both front rows were going up equally and I can't see that penalising either side or sending people off was any real solution. Much better for the ref to say, "Both sides are popping up, use your advantage of possession and get things moving or I'll hand the ball over". That would sort it out.
If one side had overwhelming superiority then that's different. But I don't see that in this case.

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Justin December 15, 2010 12:45 am

I agree completely with the 'Use it' suggestion. Perpignan had secured good possession, so get on with it.

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 12:57 am

that right there is why League is better then yawnion

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steve December 15, 2010 1:00 am

look at the french tight head he is boring in so much and forcing chuter up and chuter and his loose head should have dealt with it like we did in the old days if u r getting no help from a ref that doesnt know wats going on u have to help yourself

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Juggernauter December 15, 2010 2:05 am

You've got a point there, Tom, but imagine if -somehow- the safety and/or efficiency of either the passing, kicking, tackling, breakdown (duh), etc.. was in jeopardy. It would be absolutely vital to get that right, and that's the case with the scrum right now. I'm afraid rugby union may lose its true identity if it doesn't.

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Alexander December 15, 2010 2:13 am

Well, not often its the Tigers who're going backwards at the scrum!

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Ned2or3 December 15, 2010 2:47 am

Many, many observations about what each of the front rows were doing to each other and on the subsequent yellows but not enough internet to cover it all.

2 things from my observations though;

1) the gap between the front rows is always pretty god in the NH in SH you see a wider gap and the front rows get a lot more launch space. As such if one front row is late on hit they get a big disadvantage and most likely opposition willgo down as they ahve nothing to support them. The NH way is better with the reduced range.

2) The NH refs have a terrible call sequence, this guy was taking ages. It si very hard to stand on tip toe while holding back the 2nd row for that long. And the whole idea is to give everyone some rythm with the engage so everyone goes together.

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 3:58 am

I agree the launch call from the ref was too long, but scrumming is what makes forward play in rugby great and must not be lost from a game which is rapidly becoming American football without the helmets.

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Antttton December 15, 2010 5:11 am

the only sure thing we can say is that Murphy is a terrible defender on both tries of Perpignan !!!

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Tom December 15, 2010 6:56 am

There's so manyr easons a scrum can go down.
Most of the time the ref guesses why it happened and awards a penalty or free kick based on that guess.
Scrums will always be dangerous and will collpase as much or mroe foten than they stay up.
It is 16 massive forwards really low to the ground smashing into each other and trying tos tay up. It's just not gonna happen alot fo the time.
Back in the day when scums worked, players barely pushed. There wasn't any real hit. The players were much farther from the ground.
Even then scrums collpased all the time and refs made guesses, but it wasn't as much of an issue because the scrums were just tamer.
These days it's pretty ridiculous.
They're so low to the ground, they hit so hard and they're so big, the scrum will continue to be a mess.

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Richard December 15, 2010 9:36 am

Apologies, i'm very hungover but..

IMO, Chuter should've been carded, and given a penalty try against him. He's the 1st up out of the scrum and is just refusing to take the push.

If the scrum half got turned over after stacking it trying to step, the front row would've eaten him.

Also, agreed above, it's not often you see the tigers pack struggling.

Also, why did Murphy commit to the dummy so much on the 2nd try?
Its easy to sit back and judge, but he had a team mate covering his inside, so he shouldve drifted out to mark the outside shoulder/ support runner and leave the ball carrier to his team mate

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 10:22 am

Love the scrum or go to League.
Scrum is what makes our sport unique, you don't see anything like a scrum in any other sport in the world. So stop moaning about scrum.

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Mive59 December 15, 2010 10:29 am

FLOOZ : "Porical have fire in legs, he could may come back in the french squad for the 6 nations"

He must not play for France, he is a terrible defender.

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Enough December 15, 2010 11:32 am

Ref had a shocker there...

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Geoff' December 15, 2010 12:01 pm

Numro 8:
It seems Clermont Leinster is in the pipe...

A Rugbbydump production

(but chhut..don't tell anybody :-)

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Von December 15, 2010 12:18 pm

I agree with Richard. Chuter off. Yellow for Tincu seemed harsh, when it was clear which player/team was trying to disrupt the scrum. Having said that I'm quite sure I'd want to get out of there any way I could too. Chuter's body language as he trotted off looked like that of relief!!

I noticed there were a couple of penalties awarded to Perpignan among all the resets and they opted for another scrum both times. They had obviously targeted the scrum (confirmed by Freshwater in RD's intro), which is an interesting tactic against Leicester, as others have pointed out. Paid off though eh.

God knows what Murphy was up to during the Perpignan try - at 4:28 he actually seems to turn and run away from everyone. Still, they don't call him Turnstyles for nothing...

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 2:41 pm

check out the time on the first scrum. 40 mins up. when they stand up there is no reset it is half time. that goes for the other resets aswell, ref had a shocker all game, the breakdown was a mess and both sets of players were visibly frustrated.

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 2:45 pm

chuter conceeded one penalty during the whole sequence! leicester only 2, and the furthest they were pushed was about 2 metres, hardly yellow card and penalty try situation.

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Paolo December 15, 2010 2:53 pm

Seems to me that the Perpignan tighthead is massively boring in, putting pressure on Chuter which causes him to pop up

Quite why the ref couldn't spot that, I don't know. Mind you, its Adam Jones' favourite trick and he seems to get away with it a lot

That said, it looks like Cole was being given a harsh lesson by Freshwater on the other side of the scrum. Would have been good to have seen it from the opposite angle

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dutchrugbyplayer December 15, 2010 3:35 pm

The pop ups in the scrum are definitely not all Leicester's fault. it's actually very hard to see who's going up first but since Perpignan are on the attack I guess they get the benefit of the doubt.
Besides, the ref seems to think both hookers are responsible since he puts them both in the bin.
I understand the dificulty in the scrum and I have HUGE respect for any front-five but this just does not make the game more appealing.

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Anonymous December 15, 2010 7:21 pm

one thing that can be said, that's what happens when two awesome scrummaging sides go head to head. it's not often you see the hookers popping up, but with world class props either side..

that's the reason it was so hard to ref, simply because there was so little to penalise

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themull December 15, 2010 8:54 pm

He is by and large the best referee in the game and, from what I saw he did the best he could in that situation...

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Hal December 15, 2010 10:04 pm

Beattie is talking complete nonsense - I can't believe that from a former international forward. Yes, of course the engage is a hit! Although you are not allowed to push until the ball is in, the engage is about angle and timing as a pack so that when the ball is in shortly thereafter you have the platform from which to give a good shove. Fully agree with those who have said the scrum is a key element of the game, and the ref ought to have told Perpignan to use the ball!

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secondfive December 16, 2010 1:38 am

Anonymous said...
Love the scrum or go to League. So stop moaning about scrum.

Nobody's saying get rid of the scrum, it will always stay as a competitive and tactical part of the game or it's not rugby union any more. But constant repetitive resets get tedious and frustrating for players and spectators and mostly end in a penalty that's a guess by the ref, so if you like it that way Anonymous then good luck to you. I don't think it's good for the game.
I'm convinced that after a certain period of stalemate the ref should have the power to tell the players to make use of their possession just as they do when a rolling maul stops rolling.

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Tom December 16, 2010 2:49 am

I agree completely secondfive.
Scrums are good, but inherintly unstable and many penalties and free kicks resulting from them make no sense and occur as the result of a guess by the ref.
If the ball is at the back of the scrum and it looks like it's about to collapse, the team should have to sue the ball.
The ref does sometimes tell them to use it, and he should. Get on with the game instead of another scrum reset.

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Gazza December 16, 2010 12:51 pm

I am Australian and i love scrums and the concept of a contestant scrum.

But shit like that is what makes rugby out and out boring.

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Anonymous December 16, 2010 9:49 pm

Not sure the Perpignan 2 deserved the yellow as well, but otherwise glad referee didnt give the penalty try. Should have got them using it when it was there and the scrum was static.

As for Murphy being a woeful defender...very true. Fair enough the first try was tricky to stop, and probably most wingers against most 15s would have finished it, but the second one is just comical! Where the feck is he off to? Just remembered he left the gas on or something.

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Anonymous December 16, 2010 9:51 pm

also rugbydump, how about bringing in thumbs up or downs for comments. That way nto everyone will feel obliged to reply to the odd tit and we can all simply give a thumbs down gladiator style

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Rory December 17, 2010 7:51 pm

that ref should never ref a game ever again

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Anonymous December 19, 2010 12:17 am

Spreadbury didnt do well at all. Was clearly a penalty try... leicester front row couldnt deal with the pressure, scrumage rolling towards the try line and repeatedly popping up instead of conceding ground. Rubbish like that ruins the game. They do it once.. warning, twice.. penalty.. three times; penalty try!

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JM December 20, 2010 10:05 am

Anonymous said...
Spreadbury didnt do well at all. Was clearly a penalty try.

It wasn't, both front rows were going up. Perpignan should've been made to use the ball.

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