Monday, January 31, 2011
Tim Rodber big hit on Colin Charvis - Five Nations 1999
This weekend the tournaments kicks off at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff as the 2011 Championship could be an interesting gauge of what's to come later in the year. It will of course also be a great test of depth, as both England and Wales are suffering from a few injuries.
Back in 1999 the tournament was slightly different in that it was the Five Nations, with Italy not having joined yet. Everyone will remember how this particular game panned out, with Scott Gibbs scoring the winning try, but this tackle occurred a few minutes before that.
England's Tim Rodber, a mountain of a man, smashed Colin Charvis in what these days would probably be considered a yellow card, if not more. At the time, referee Andre Watson and his touch judge thought it was bad enough for a penalty, while the commentators, and perhaps those in the ground and watching at home, thought otherwise.
What it does go to show though is that even back then, twelve years ago, these type of tackles were controversial and opinions were mixed about the outcome of a decision. Whichever side you sit on, it was a big hit that rocked Charvis, so I'm sure some of you will enjoy seeing it.
More on the Six Nations, and this match, later in the week.
Time: 01:17
Posted at 2:10 pm | 49 comments
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peterjcarr January 31, 2011 2:29 pm
That was a cracking tackle and completely legal. But, maybe, that's what happens when John Cleese is reffing!?!?!
Anonymous January 31, 2011 2:32 pm
Are you joking peterjcarr? Absolutely no use of the arms there!
Alexander January 31, 2011 2:33 pm
Jeez that was a while ago! He was a pretty useful player back in the day Rodber, amaazing to see the young Charvis too!
peterjcarr January 31, 2011 2:36 pm
Oh, hello anonymous [January 31, 2011 3:32 PM]! If you watch carefully, Rodber still has hold of CC's shirt as he's hitting the deck.
Come on, it is a bloody man's game [isn't it!!!?].
Come on, it is a bloody man's game [isn't it!!!?].
Anonymous January 31, 2011 2:37 pm
Alan Lewis making a dodgy decision 11 years ago - some things never change!
Citing Commissioner January 31, 2011 2:40 pm
R.I.P. Bill McLaren
could this tackle be described as the thin end of the wedge???
could this tackle be described as the thin end of the wedge???
CJ O January 31, 2011 3:01 pm
I have seen worse shoulder charges so wouldnt think it warranted a yellow card.
However his right arm is almost behind his back at the point of contact so definitely illegal.
However his right arm is almost behind his back at the point of contact so definitely illegal.
Anonymous January 31, 2011 3:09 pm
Great tackle, completely legal as you can see he is making every effort to use his arms. He catches Charvis off balance and it made it hard to wrap the arms.
Bad call January 31, 2011 3:16 pm
That's fine! He was wrapping his arms around him, he just hit him so hard that he bounced away. Plus Charvis had shifted his balance (probably upon seeing that giant coming towards him) which made him go down faster but you can see his arms are wrapped around him. Terrible decision. Although watching it at full speed it did initially look like a shoulder charge, so the ref can be forgiven.
David January 31, 2011 3:37 pm
aaah Bill Mclaren, the voice of rugby.
Big hit, especially for someone who should be pretty fatigued by now! Charvis was a tough player in his day i think he's been hit hard by pretty much a whos who of big forwards from over the years! :D
Big hit, especially for someone who should be pretty fatigued by now! Charvis was a tough player in his day i think he's been hit hard by pretty much a whos who of big forwards from over the years! :D
Anonymous January 31, 2011 4:14 pm
rodber missed the tackle on gibbs for that jammy last minute try if i remember...
Anonymous January 31, 2011 4:16 pm
to quote eddie butler "bad decision bad bad decision". result penalty, lineout wales, scott gibbs runs at rodber who flaps an arm instead of hitting with his shoulder, try. still gutted that we were robbed!!!
gch January 31, 2011 4:22 pm
legal or illegal: it takes some guts to make a hit like that on a guy like that in the last few minutes of the game...
RedYeti January 31, 2011 4:29 pm
I absolutely loved seeing Rodber attempt to turn his back and walk away from the ref, only to be yanked back by Dallaglio. That's proper captaincy, teaching respect even at that level. Tackle was fine too, he had a handful of Charvis' shirt for christ's sake
eric January 31, 2011 4:32 pm
charvis was off balance, so he bounced back something that made use of arms very hard! i guess rodber was unlucky... great tackle anyway!
Hackney Griffin January 31, 2011 4:37 pm
Like every sensible commentator I'll say that that was obviously a completely legal hit... the impact saw Charvis bounce... Rodber has led with the shoulder but the arms are obviously wrapping... as pointed out he still had a handful of red shirt...
Great hit. Look forward to more of the same on Friday night.
Oh and RD.. as we're looking at cracking 6 Nations hits of old... How about Mickey Skinner's against France?
Great hit. Look forward to more of the same on Friday night.
Oh and RD.. as we're looking at cracking 6 Nations hits of old... How about Mickey Skinner's against France?
Gavin January 31, 2011 4:53 pm
Only issue is that it was potentially a little high, rodbers shoulder makes contact with charvis a little high, maybe. Very marginal. Maybe a penalty, but never anything more.
Colombes January 31, 2011 5:01 pm
Great and legal tackle! a bit shoulder but he tried to wrap charvis.
to hackney griffin,
yep i rember Skinner one. it would be interesting that some people look for memorable 6 nations hits and shock moments:
Wales - France 1999
the most bloody fra-eng in 1992 (brawls everywhere)
and i don't resist to show this video from S.Quinnell. one of my favorite past players
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqNpAE2HYU
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to hackney griffin,
yep i rember Skinner one. it would be interesting that some people look for memorable 6 nations hits and shock moments:
Wales - France 1999
the most bloody fra-eng in 1992 (brawls everywhere)
and i don't resist to show this video from S.Quinnell. one of my favorite past players
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqNpAE2HYU
View Video
Brennie January 31, 2011 5:10 pm
RD - would you or anyone else have the hit by Rodber on Henry Honiball in the '97 lions series !??
Von January 31, 2011 5:43 pm
@ RedYeti - absolutely. That type of captaincy and respect is one of the main things that attracted me to the game in the first place.
Von January 31, 2011 5:53 pm
Two things in this clip really shocked me...
- Is that John Cleese impersonator really Andre Watson??? Horrendous tache!
- Eddie Butler NOT being completely one-eyed in his commentary! Almost unthinkable to imagine him nowadays not criticising the England player, regardless of how he really feels about it!
- Is that John Cleese impersonator really Andre Watson??? Horrendous tache!
- Eddie Butler NOT being completely one-eyed in his commentary! Almost unthinkable to imagine him nowadays not criticising the England player, regardless of how he really feels about it!
Anonymous January 31, 2011 5:54 pm
Later on Gibbs scored an amazing try that sealed an epic victory of Wales over Eng.
Anonymous January 31, 2011 5:58 pm
wait a minute here i thought that leading with the shoulder was how your supposed to make a tackle. some of you seem to be suggesting that you should put yours arms out in front and hope for the best.
i know he didn't wrap his arms but it looked he couldn't because of the collision.
i know he didn't wrap his arms but it looked he couldn't because of the collision.
Anonymous January 31, 2011 5:59 pm
WTF is about his arm was behind his shoulder...do you people even play rugby...sound like people who can talk a good game but can play for s**t
Von January 31, 2011 6:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNPPoatC2I
Second half highlights from that match, including Gibbs's try. Beautiful angle, pace and agility. The git.
Also, have a look at the maul-surfing Rodber at 3:20-3:35 and the sneaky Welshman hauling him down "pulling him off".
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Second half highlights from that match, including Gibbs's try. Beautiful angle, pace and agility. The git.
Also, have a look at the maul-surfing Rodber at 3:20-3:35 and the sneaky Welshman hauling him down "pulling him off".
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Flipje January 31, 2011 7:06 pm
Nice to see those games. bring back a lot of nice memories.... Great tackle by the way
@ Colombes
"the most bloody fra-eng in 1992 (brawls everywhere)"
Yes still remember the game....and especially Mr. Hilditch ;-)
I wonder if he is still banned to come visiting some french villages in the deep South West :-)
@ Colombes
"the most bloody fra-eng in 1992 (brawls everywhere)"
Yes still remember the game....and especially Mr. Hilditch ;-)
I wonder if he is still banned to come visiting some french villages in the deep South West :-)
Anonymous January 31, 2011 7:38 pm
What about the video Gibbs try at the end??? Would be great RD.
Von January 31, 2011 7:43 pm
@Anonymous re Gibbs try - see my post two above yours.
Mise January 31, 2011 11:25 pm
looking back at it again, Dallaglio not only pulls him back, he gives him a finger pointing rant. Proper.
Anonymous January 31, 2011 11:34 pm
Nous remisons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous January 31, 2011 11:36 pm
"dangerous tackle? Its a dangerous game" take note rugby referees
Von February 01, 2011 7:50 am
Greiffel said...
Thanks for ruining the plans Von! :)
Ah, sorry about that. But I think we've all seen Fatty Gibbs breaking English hearts far too many times already for it to merit its own post... :)
Thanks for ruining the plans Von! :)
Ah, sorry about that. But I think we've all seen Fatty Gibbs breaking English hearts far too many times already for it to merit its own post... :)
Anonymous February 01, 2011 11:33 am
Funny, we still have people here with no clue about the rules commnenting on how legal tackles are.
Good for comedy, I suppose.
Good for comedy, I suppose.
Leo February 01, 2011 12:57 pm
bring on the six nations, as an irishman id love to predict an irish victory but its got to be france
morgan February 01, 2011 2:01 pm
I was 11 when I watched this. I cried. Now I can reconcile myself that it was just a bad decision that handed Wales the game. I have mixed feelings about Gibbs, hate him for what happened next but in a Lions shirt and bouncing off S. African props I consider him God like. That's rugby for you, dont you just love it?
Aloof February 01, 2011 3:29 pm
I echo Morgans thoughts. Fabulous player and had the balls to run at Du Randt and back himself to bounce him. But broke our hearts when he scored that try. I also can now relax in the knowledge that it was all down to a pants decision : )
Anonymous February 01, 2011 4:49 pm
Charvis was running away from the tackler taking his balance away, great blindside tackle! Must of hurt, they always do.
Ned2or3 February 02, 2011 1:30 am
Nothing but a shoulder charge!!
Look at the position of his right arm he set that shoulder for the hit.
The correct was to make a tackle (and safe for both players) is to use the part of the shoulder from the neck muscle to the shoulder. This bloke use the outside of his shoulder and the top of his arm. He cannot make a legal tackle from that position.
This is not a bounce off because of a big hit and can't get arms around (ala George Smith at his best.) It is a clear attempt to use the shoulder only.
And he gets no leniencey for using one hand to catch Jarvis jersey on the way down.
Look at the position of his right arm he set that shoulder for the hit.
The correct was to make a tackle (and safe for both players) is to use the part of the shoulder from the neck muscle to the shoulder. This bloke use the outside of his shoulder and the top of his arm. He cannot make a legal tackle from that position.
This is not a bounce off because of a big hit and can't get arms around (ala George Smith at his best.) It is a clear attempt to use the shoulder only.
And he gets no leniencey for using one hand to catch Jarvis jersey on the way down.
Anonymous February 02, 2011 6:56 am
Dear God in heaven. It's bad enough when we get the Panto "That's wasn't a penalty/yellow/citing", "Oh yes it was", "Oh no it wasn't" immediately after the match. That was 12 years ago! 12 years!
Worse, we now have the addition of the "we wuz robbed" brigade. No you weren't, you lost, get over it ffs
Worse, we now have the addition of the "we wuz robbed" brigade. No you weren't, you lost, get over it ffs
Bad call February 02, 2011 11:25 am
Ned - Think you're on your own with that one.
Two anonymous silly boys - I think you'll find we're joking. No excuses being made. You sounds a bit bitter, you shouldn't take everything so seriously.
Two anonymous silly boys - I think you'll find we're joking. No excuses being made. You sounds a bit bitter, you shouldn't take everything so seriously.
Anonymous February 02, 2011 11:32 am
Look at the right arm, oh wait you can't as it's hidden behind his back because he was making a shoulder charge
Anonymous February 02, 2011 12:24 pm
whether anyone thinks this tackle was legal or not is somewhat irrelevant, the fact is that the hit broke Charvis' cheekbone, now try to argue that it was OK. England got their come uppance for it in the end anyway...
Daddy February 02, 2011 12:50 pm
Er! we all know you're the same anonymous 15 year old little boy...
morgan February 02, 2011 1:29 pm
At least it taught Charvis to go lower into contact..oh no, cue being knocked out by Collins. Tee hee.
Anonymous February 02, 2011 1:47 pm
Don't think that was a penalty. It wasn't even a particularly big hit as Charvis was off-balance.
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