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Thursday, March 31, 2011

Tim Visser runs around Tommy Bowe to score a great Edinburgh try

Tim Visser runs around Tommy Bowe to score a great Edinburgh try

Dutch winger Tim Visser scored another excellent Magners League try for Edinburgh as they beat Ospreys 23-16 at Murrayfield on Saturday night. Edinburgh were trailing 13-3 at one stage.

Jim Thompson and wing Visser both scored, which along with the boot of Greig Laidlaw, helped seal the win for the Scottish side.

Visser, who will be eligible to play for Scotland next year, finished off a wonderful flowing move that went from right to left before coming back to him in space on the wing. He then rounded British & Irish Lions winger Tommy Bowe without any troubles.

Next year cant come soon enough for Visser, and Scotland fans, as hes sure to be in the reckoning come selection time. "I spoke to Andy Robinson and he asked if I would be prepared to play. He said that if I keep improving there is a chance," he said.

"If I get the chance to play for Scotland I'll sing Flower of Scotland to honour the tradition and to pay respect to this country. My team-mates asked me the lyrics not too long ago and I think I managed the first two sentences. I'll have to work on that."

Hes said that while not being involved, he enjoyed watching the Six Nations recently.

"My dad played 66 times for the Dutch national team so I grew up with rugby watching him play. Every year we would tune in for Six Nations coverage.

"This year, I particularly enjoyed Italy versus France. The Italians have tried so long to beat one off the big teams in the Six Nations and in a tense match they finally did it.

"The look on their faces after their victory was priceless," he added.

Note: The commentary is in Scottish (Gaelic), as well as a bit of English at the end. 

Time: 01:19

Posted by Rugbydump at 12:34 pm | View Comments (68)

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:08 pm

Great try

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:09 pm

loving the truffle shuffle made bowe look real 2nd class great try also excellent build up

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gb March 31, 2011 1:18 pm

Wow...look at the collision at 0.29 he is out cold!

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:24 pm

Thats what happens chen a super under-rated player like Visser meets a super over-rated player like Bowe.


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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:33 pm

Yeah great try! More dutch people should start playing and loving rugby though

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orange March 31, 2011 1:51 pm

Anonymous at 3:24.

Not sure who has been "under-/over-rating" Visser or Bowe. They seem to get about the same amount of praise. I've never really heard Bowe be over-hyped nor Visser under-sold...

In any case, this was pretty great try.

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stirling March 31, 2011 1:52 pm

great try, big fan of the double step, i knew Visser was strong but didn't know he is that agile.

definately a good prospect for Sctoland, they've got quite a back three shaping up for years to come with Evans and Lamont(allbeit at 12) playing well

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:55 pm

awesome try !!

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:57 pm

Great try by visser, disgraceful that's he not playing for his country holland and is trying to play for scotland. He would help Dutch rugby develop hugely just by exposure.

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simba March 31, 2011 1:58 pm

dont mean to be disrespectful but who actually still speaks scottish?

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 1:59 pm

Wow, could that last commentator have been more excited?

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 2:06 pm

Are you sure the commentary isn't welsh? I have no idea, it just seems strange that an edinborough game would be in gaelic.

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Krang March 31, 2011 2:07 pm

Great stepping,
shame about the 'Night at the Roxbury' style head wobble that he does though!

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david March 31, 2011 2:22 pm

Anonymous at 4.06pm

If you pay attention to the video you see clearly the BBC ALBA symbol in the top right of the screen, which shows it is the BBC's gaelic channel, so therefore I doubt the commentary is in Welsh.

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Another Dutch guy March 31, 2011 2:30 pm

@anonymous (who problaby is a Dutch guy)

Isn't it a good thing if Visser plays for Scotland?

It would give a lot more (media) exposure when a Dutch player is competing at one of the highest levels. When he would play for Holland, the media won't notice him because the level of rugby Holland is playing is not (yet) interesting.

Just think of what Visser can do as an ambassador for Dutch rugby (and as a player for Scotland). A lot more than playing in the Dutch national team.

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 2:35 pm

vissel should be playing for holland. there are dutch players all over the world. even in the german leauge. damien tussac plays for germany, even though he had the chance to play for france. when i played in germany i had the chance to play for the national team but turned it down because i am welsh. the commentary is in scots gaelic. and yes, just as there are welsh speakers in wales, there are scottish people who speak gaelic

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 2:50 pm

Who is damien tussac and has he helped germany to a higher level?

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 3:00 pm

@ Simba

tha gaidhlig beo fhathast. tha gaidhlig agam, agus tha mi a Lunnain... dh'ionsaich mi aig an oilthigh. cheannaich am BBC na coiraiche airson beagan maidsean - rugbaidh, ball-coise is camanachd... agus chan eil an t-iomradh seo anns a' Chuimris idir idir!

Gaelic's still alive. I speak it, and I'm from London... I learnt it at uni. The BBC bought the rights for a few matches of rugby, football and shinty... and the commentary's definitely not in Welsh!

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 3:01 pm

great player who will hopefully be fast tracked into the scotland setup-far better player than Nikki walker.

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Guy March 31, 2011 3:02 pm

Another Dutch Guy:
totally agree with you. I think he will do more good for rugby playing for Scotland than playing for Holland.

Besides that: it would be asking too much of any a single player to lift the level of an entire national team.

And last but not least: it is entirely his own decision. Who are we to judge?!

Great try btw!

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 3:11 pm

Great try, but pretty sure that isn't Tommy Bowe he beats!

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 5:11 pm

hehe great try that is definitely tommy bowe.. See you later tommy bowe!! both great players.. visser is performing better at the moment though.

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I hate ppl who write March 31, 2011 5:26 pm

so a player can consistantly play well for a number of years, score great tries for Ireland and the Lions, but gets called "over-rated" because he gets beaten by a great piece of skill from another player?

A bit unfair I reckon.

I think this try is more about what Visser did right than what Bowe did wrong.

Vincent Clerc ran around Mils Muliaina to score a great try, Beale picked up from a bad off-load from Carted to run in a great try, does this mean Muliaina and Carter are now over rated? Evidence my arse.

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Dave March 31, 2011 5:57 pm

it appears a few points need clarifying

1. Its Gaelic, its on BBC ALBA, scotland gaelic channel. they own the rights to magners league coverage in scotland. Gaelic is also beginning to grow again, and could soon see a rebirth the way welsh has.

2.Bowe isnt overrated. He deserves all the credit he gets.

3.Visser isnt underated, hes just unheard of outside the magners league. If edinburgh could make more progress in the heineken, this guy would be the talk of european rugby.

4.With reference to the points above, this try was more through what visser did right than bowe did wrong. Defences havent worked visser out yet, as he isnt predictable in whether he cuts inside or tries to take them on the outside. He takes full advantage of that here with his truffle shuffle.

5.The last "commentator" isnt a commentator, hes injured flanker Alan Macdonald, who was a guest in the studio that night. although i agree he doesnt sound to excited, maybe the dissapointment of injury, as hes certainly a charismatic and passionate player.

6.The Scotland vs Netherlands debate is a matter of opinion. Personally, I feel hell do more for dutch rugby if he chooses scotland. If he plays for the netherlands, he might just be the greatest player ever for them, but no one will ever know. If he makes even moderate success for scotland, the dutch media will pick up on it, and increase the profile of dutch rugby

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 7:12 pm

Ideally Visser would be playing for the Dutch and Scotland shirts would be worn by Scots, or exiles qualifying at least by blood descent.

On the other hand, times and society are changing, nationality is a more fluid concept. He would not be the first player to do this and he has been very welcome in Edinburgh and Scotland so far.

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 7:46 pm

who cares what he dose, scotland are shit anyways. Wont help them in anyway.

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Bjorn (Netherlands) March 31, 2011 8:42 pm

Certainly hope we can get some Scottish rugby/magners on dutch tv. Further TV coverage might be a good thing and might raise the level of play due to more players/sponsoring.

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jimbo1 March 31, 2011 8:48 pm

4:06 why would they be speaking Welsh in Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland? I think Visser should come play for England :) Great try and to run round a world class winger like Bowe makes it even more impressive.

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John F March 31, 2011 8:58 pm

Once you've heard Welsh there's no way you'd confuse it with Scottish!

I think it's a nice touch to have commentary in other languages. The French try countdowns are great and we've had clips on here from Ireland, Wales and Scotland in their native tongue. Top stuff.

Really nice try. Even the best wingers get made to look silly sometimes.

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Anonymous March 31, 2011 9:16 pm

Anonomous up the top!

Why would he play for holland when they dont have a team?

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ElTigre March 31, 2011 9:49 pm

God damn gaelic is a horrible language.

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ElTigres Dad March 31, 2011 10:37 pm

ElTigre what an ignorant fool you are. Loser.

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Von March 31, 2011 10:39 pm

Anonymous I hate ppl who write "First!" said...
Vincent Clerc ran around Mils Muliaina to score a great try

Think you might be referring to the Heymans try where he smoked about four AB players. Commentator kept calling him Clerc by mistake.

Loving the commentary, purely for comedy... Visser for the liney! VISSER FOR THE LINEY!!

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Continentalrugby April 01, 2011 12:03 am

It would be cool to see rugby grow in the Netherlands. 7 Nations game in Amsterdam sounds right! I guess I can't blame the guy for wanting to play top flight test rugby and that is impossible for a Dutch player.

I do think it's kind of a joke playing for multiple National teams. I guess it makes things more competetive, but really only one nation can be your home. It's an identity issue.

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Continentalrugby April 01, 2011 12:09 am

I just read that Visser has never played for Holland. Tim, you have my permission to play for whatever country needs you, you just can't claim you're a proud Dutchman anymore!

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 2:57 am

I agree with Eltigre Gaelic sounds like a throat clearing combined with back pain moaning into a language.

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 3:17 am

Great try... Commentators were so shit - other than naming the players I didn't understand a thing they said.

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I hate people who wr April 01, 2011 8:36 am

@Von, yeah you're right it was Heymans. The point remains the same, I'm pretty sure you agree.

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 9:47 am

That's what bowe gets for playing for the ospreys....

Webster knocked someone down?!?!?!?! My goodness... Never thought I'd see the day....

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 9:51 am

Lol about all these 'visser should play for holland comments...' where do you think 90% of saffas come from?

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Gavin April 01, 2011 10:17 am

Visser is an excellent player - not sure if he's world-class like Bowe (the number one winger for the Lions in the last tour, so the best winger in England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales). But it's a pity that we probably won't get to see if Visser is world class unless he can play for Scotland (although I understand and sympathise with the argument that he should play for the Netherlands - it is annoying when 'big' countries take the best players of 'small' countries).

Back to this score - it's very rare to see Bowe stood up, which is a tribute to the footwork and timing of Visser here.

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 10:47 am

Was at this game, and was really looking forward to seeing visser play after the clip's i'd seen on RD.

He had a corker, Edinburgh deserved this win, Bo hesitated and was stood up on his heels, after that he did have a chance. You could tell bo was gutted!

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Dave April 01, 2011 10:56 am

"the commentarys so shit, i cant understand it"

just because you cant understand a language doesnt mean its shit! whats your justification for it being shit?

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 11:39 am

NZ have been nicking Islanders for years, they are about the same size as scotland!

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Benson April 01, 2011 2:01 pm

Anonymous said: Lol about all these 'visser should play for holland comments...' where do you think 90% of saffas come from?

In response, all I can say is that ignorance (stupidity?) is bliss.

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Gavin April 01, 2011 6:46 pm

He had a corker, Edinburgh deserved this win, Bo hesitated and was stood up on his heels, after that he did have a chance. You could tell bo was gutted!
I don't think he hesitated - Visser MADE him hesitate with his footwork. Visser is a big man, you need your footing to be right or he will run through you. That's why a big man with quick feet is probably the most dangerous combination - you can't stop him with your arms. So credit to Visser here - he beat Bowe, rather than Bowe's mistake letting him in.

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Warrior April 01, 2011 7:34 pm

Gaelic is a stupid dead language and it is disgraceful that not only BBC Alba gets sport up here in Scotland, it is that it exists all together. Total waste of money, Gaelic has never been and will never been the national language of the Scottish people and the attempt to try and encourage Scottish people to learn it is sheer idiotic! Only 5% of the population has ever spoken it at the one time - I repeat it is not our national language and should never be confused to be so.

Tim Visser is a great player and I think it is fantastic he will get to play for Scotland - a player of his ability should get to play the game at the highest level. Appreciate the Dutch would like him to play for Holland but hopefully as others have pointed out his success will increase participation in the sport there and develop the game.

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 7:49 pm

Gaelic has never been and will never been the national language of the Scottish people
It hasn't been for a long time, but it was for hundreds of years over most of the area of the country...see the map here

Gaelic is an ancient language compared to the fairly recent creation English. It was spoken for at least a millenium before the Angles or Saxons arrived in Briatin from modern Germany.

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Anonymous April 01, 2011 11:10 pm

Benson you really don't think names like Bismarck du plessis is a native SA name do you? I'm not trying to take the piss... It's a well known fact the influence of Dutch in SA is huge... Albeit they have been there for generations...

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Anonymous April 02, 2011 10:00 am

@ Warrior

Whether it is or isn't your national language Gaelic was, once spoken pretty much all over Scotland. You can look at placename evidence if you want. And it's not a 'stupid dead language', at least yet. There are more native speakers of Gaidhlig than there are of Irish.

The reason it's preserved is the same reason our taxes fund museums. Surrounding any language is a unique culture, and a unique way of thinking and expressing things. If you lose the language, you lose the wealth of history, literature and so on that comes with it. So that's why money is pumped into revitalisation today(finally, after centuries of repression by English-speakers).

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Benson April 02, 2011 10:42 am

Anonymous two up, (use a name in future?), your claim that 90% of south africans come from holland is outrageous because A) there are 47 million people in the country, 8 million of them are white. About 5 or 6 million of them are Afrikaans speaking, a language that yes, derives from Dutch, French, and a little bit of other influences mixed in there. Take a name like Jaques Olivier for example, and Afrikaans former Springbok who by all means sounds like he has a French name. Would you claim that he must be French then, not South African?

It's just a silly claim to make, considering the numbers, the history, and the fact that someone like Bismarck Du Plessis is more South African than Barrack Obama is American. Everyone's names have a history - it doesnt mean that they themselves, their parents, or even their grandparents had anything to do with that country.

It's like calling Sean Fitzpatrick Irish and Richie McCaw Scottish.

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Benson April 02, 2011 10:45 am

I never left a B)..
Anyway, my point is that the Dutchness is simply an influence on the language, not a connection to the people. The same way that Brazilians are not Spanish.

Over and out. Have good day!

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AF April 02, 2011 4:22 pm

@Benson, very good point BUT the Brazilians speak Portuguese.

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Anonymous April 02, 2011 6:06 pm

Benson... My 90% was not something to take literally, and the other point is it was in reference to the SA rugby team, not the while of SA... the reason for my point is that people claiming visser should play for holland should also claim that all SA players play for their country of origin...

But ofcourse like on so many other comments you have jumped into a convo that doesn't concern you and have completely lost the point, well done genius!

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Anonymous April 02, 2011 6:07 pm

* should be whole not while

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Anonymous April 02, 2011 7:01 pm

jumping in here.

the main community of people in south africa who play rugby are the afrikaners. and yes we know that a few centuries of living in south africa mean that the afrikaners are going to be a mix of all sorts of ethnicities, in particular hugenot french and english, but especially dutch.

Afrikaans is not just related to Dutch, it's mutually intelligible with it... which means that it could be argued that it is a dialect of Dutch (let's not get into that now). It doesn't have that connection to French or English.

What's more, the Netherlands is the country with the highest average height. I can't give you stats, but South African forwards are known throughout the rugby world for being big, tough Afrikaners. Look at the starting 8 from the last world cup final - all of them Afrikaners, the shortest player John Smit stands at 6'2.

So, I'd say it's fair enough to suggest the Dutch are probably well-suited to rugby, based on the Springboks.

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Benson April 02, 2011 7:11 pm

AF, my bad. Argentina - Spanish, Brazil - Portuguese. Got them mixed up while getting sidetracked.

@ Anonymous (the one who says SA people should play for their country of origin), that's precisely my point - they are playing for their country of origin, South Africa!

Tim Visser is a fully fledged Dutch person from Holland. Some South Africans have a connection to Holland many generations back. There's a massive difference. None of them moved to South Africa from there.

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Anonymous April 03, 2011 4:52 am

.....^^^ but benson... At one point they did... So are you saying visser shouldn't because he did not do it in the right time frame?!? Hey I have no gripes with offspring of dutchies playing for SA, my point was that why should visser not play for Scotland when evryone else plays for who they want....

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Benson April 03, 2011 8:37 am

Okay now you're just taking the piss :)

I do truly hope you're just having a laugh.

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Anonymous April 03, 2011 11:25 pm

I love the way gaelic speakers ( mother tongue) speak english.
I don't understand the hate for Gaelic and gaeli Speakers. I don't even understand why people complain about a gaelic speaking channel.
At least they broadcast Rugby and allow us to see the games.

I don't mind bantter but here it sounds more like hate...

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Anonymous April 04, 2011 1:24 am

Benson is English not your first language, I am being serious.... At one point someone from some 'white' country emigrated to SA and met up with a few others then got married, repeat the process with about 15 different couples and you have the SA rugby team... Is there anything wrong with that?!? No... But you can still argue that for instance bakkies bothas roots lie elsewhere other than my point is, if visser wants to take a step to play for a different country, as bakkies great great g's did (well to love in a different country) then why should he not be allowed?.... I don't quite see how that is taking the piss, I'm not trying to cause offence to any nations or anything, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe most of the SA teams roots lie deep within the African continent....

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Benson April 04, 2011 10:20 am

Anonymous, as you like to call yourself, I'd say what you're referring to are the 'Boers' or Afrikaners, who came to be around the 19th century, after Dutch settlers arrived in South Africa after Jan Van Riebeck did in 1652.

The language of Afrikaans is spoken widely in South Africa by not only white people, but many of the coloured population too. Are you going to claim that Ricky Januarie and JP Pietersen should be playing for Holland too?

The people that you claim 'moved to South Africa' are in fact the ones that FOUNDED South Africa, and from that, Afrikaans came to be eventually.

Do yourself a favour and have a bit of a read up about it.

By your logic every white American rugby player should be playing for the country that his ancestors came from, and every black player should be playing for.. well, a team in Africa.

Your comments are an insult to every non-black South African, basically saying that they don't belong there. By that premise the same could be said for many players in different countries around the world, including Australia and New Zealand!

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Anonymous April 04, 2011 6:31 pm

You are such a dumbfuck benson, im guessing you're a prop because brains dont seem to be your best asset!....if you actually buy yourself a set of spectacles and read my frigging comment i said i have no issue with any 'white guy' who plays for SA.... (First please re read this over and over until it gets into your thick head...)

If you ALSO read my comment you'll notice I talk about 'white' players...If you use that big under developed brain of yours im sure you can see that Ricky Januarie is actually not white...and the only reason you have included him in your speel is because he speaks Afrikaans, which once again has nothing to do with what im talking about....

f*ck me you are infuriatingly dumb!

By your reasoning a language alone determines where a player should play...Im sure Visser speaks English...oh no...matfield speaks English too...should they all go and play for England?!?!?

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Benson April 05, 2011 8:35 pm

Yeah, I'm the one getting my panties in a twist over a discussion..

You dont know what you're talking about, and not only that, you flippantly insult an entire culture with little reference to fact.

I brought up Ricky Januarie to show you that the Afrikaans culture is of equal age in white, black, and coloured people. You would never say Januarie isnt from there, just because he isn't white. Yet whites CANT be from there, because it's Africa.

White guys in SA dont need your approval to play for the Springboks. They're born in the country. Their parents were born there. THEIR parents were born there. Tim Visser is born and grew up in Holland. How you can casually compare the two is beyond me.

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I hate ppl who write April 07, 2011 10:19 am

I think a flippant comment was taken literally and has been blown out of proportion. That said, of course Benson is right. You can't compare someone born and bred in another country to someone who is 3rd or 4th generation. You seem to be defending the indefendable Anon, and ranting about stupidity when you make anything but valid points doesn't do much for your argument. New Zealanders have their origins in Eng, Scot, Ire and the pacific Islands, England for many years has people like Guscott, Armitage, Sackey(obviously not of anglo saxon descent) and Dellaglio(parents from Italy) playing for them, and that's to name just a few.
Being from a country, and having origins in a country are really quite different and if it's not clear to you well, it seems that you may have run into one too many a prop! ;)

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Anonymous April 29, 2011 1:12 pm

Best commentry in a while! I was right at the touchline when visser scored the try, and god did he make Bowe look an absolute pile of...

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Canadian content November 22, 2011 4:23 am

To be fair, name the wing who would have stopped visser? Thos steps and head moves would have made Muhammad Ali proud. Great play by a great player further exentuated by the great player he beat.

I could give a shit where he was born and who he plays for, I just hope I get to see him play often.

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Dutchie November 25, 2011 9:29 pm

I would just like to leave some comments on what you have been saying here about Visser, Dutch people and white South African's origin as being a Dutch guy.

1. Visser should definitely play for Scotland, it would make rugby more of an issue in my country. The sports news payed a little attention to the World Cup, but not a lot and that would surely change if we had a Dutch guy competing. (Our national team will never because the sport is just so small here, so one player is the most we'll get)

2. Many South African last names are derived from Dutch ones, mine is Albers, clearly similar to (Willem) Alberts. Another example is Steenkamp which is Dutch as well. I can name several more like that. However I doubt whether the size of the forwards has anything to do with our size. The people there are such a mix of cultures (as far as I know) that it has barely anything to do with each other.

3. Afrikaans is practically the same as Dutch. A while ago a South African rugby team visited my club and we could just speak with them in our own language, understanding 90% of what was said.

To conclude, every Dutch rugbyer is extremely proud of Tim Visser, he is an example to all of us that you CAN make it to the top, even in a country that has no rugby culture and very few world-class skilled trainers and/or opposition.

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