Monday, July 18, 2011
Samoa achieve a famous upset win over the Wallabies in Sydney
The hosts had gone into the game on a high from the Super Rugby success of the Reds, but with very few of those players in the starting lineup, others were given a chance to put the poor form of their Super Rugby campaigns behind them, and stick their hands up for future selection.
They failed to do that, in dramatic style, as the Samoans came out firing with massive tackles, composed defence, and an opportunism which saw them up by 17 points in the first half.
Next week a different Wallabies team will turn out against South Africa - themselves weakened, and criticised for it - in the Tri Nations opener. Robbie Deans has said that this game was a wake up call, but he had no option but to rest most of the Reds players, who joined the camp late.
For the Samoans, it was without a doubt their greatest ever victory as they sent a warning to the other sides in their Rugby World Cup group. While the majority of their players play abroad, the experience they've gained in places like New Zealand and the UK has combined well with their natural talent and physicality, making them a tricky prospect come the RWC group stages.
Former Wallaby Tim Horan said that he hopes the result stings the Wallabies.
"It would be easy to say Samoa's stunning upset victory was helped by the fact some of Australia's frontline players were not selected, but that would be letting the hosts off lightly," he said.
"They were embarrassed. They can't pass this result off. They were outplayed by a team that out-planned them, out-muscled them in defence and out-enthused them at the breakdown."
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Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:32 am
1st!! I'm the boss.
What an upset, can't wait for the World cup now.
What an upset, can't wait for the World cup now.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:32 am
1st!! I'm the boss.
What an upset, can't wait for the World cup now.
What an upset, can't wait for the World cup now.
Do Little July 18, 2011 8:42 am
Boys to men.101
wow, watching those ozzy backs fly faster backwards than forwards in the big Samoan hits was scary. Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5.
wow, watching those ozzy backs fly faster backwards than forwards in the big Samoan hits was scary. Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5.
Do Little July 18, 2011 8:42 am
Boys to men.101
wow, watching those ozzy backs fly faster backwards than forwards in the big Samoan hits was scary. Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5.
wow, watching those ozzy backs fly faster backwards than forwards in the big Samoan hits was scary. Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5.
Adam'nJess July 18, 2011 9:11 am
It's a tough one, cos it shows they have got it. But do they have the consistency to win a world cup? I am looking forward to seeing them play.
Adam'nJess July 18, 2011 9:11 am
It's a tough one, cos it shows they have got it. But do they have the consistency to win a world cup? I am looking forward to seeing them play.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:16 am
well done samoa, some aussie players really needed to step up to make the wallabies cut. they didnt! the minute genia and kurtley beale came into the game, the game changed. the whole game looked scrappy. thx for the wake up call :)
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:16 am
well done samoa, some aussie players really needed to step up to make the wallabies cut. they didnt! the minute genia and kurtley beale came into the game, the game changed. the whole game looked scrappy. thx for the wake up call :)
piripi July 18, 2011 9:16 am
yeah well played samoa that's a reality check for the wobblies they aint as good as thier papers are telling them they are but the world cup is 7 weeks away and they should be up there in the final still.
piripi July 18, 2011 9:16 am
yeah well played samoa that's a reality check for the wobblies they aint as good as thier papers are telling them they are but the world cup is 7 weeks away and they should be up there in the final still.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:17 am
Great win for Samoa and some fantastic tries from both teams.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:17 am
Great win for Samoa and some fantastic tries from both teams.
edbok July 18, 2011 9:22 am
Great job, Samoa - shows what the Islanders are capable of with well-channeled aggression.
But the meta issue here is what the Super XV has taken out of the Sanzar teams. All three coaches have sent similar messages going in to the tri-nations, that a lot of the top players are out of gas - kind of obvious now that unless they get some proper R&R over the next two months, they will turn up at the WC banged up, if indeed they turn up at all.
But the meta issue here is what the Super XV has taken out of the Sanzar teams. All three coaches have sent similar messages going in to the tri-nations, that a lot of the top players are out of gas - kind of obvious now that unless they get some proper R&R over the next two months, they will turn up at the WC banged up, if indeed they turn up at all.
edbok July 18, 2011 9:22 am
Great job, Samoa - shows what the Islanders are capable of with well-channeled aggression.
But the meta issue here is what the Super XV has taken out of the Sanzar teams. All three coaches have sent similar messages going in to the tri-nations, that a lot of the top players are out of gas - kind of obvious now that unless they get some proper R&R over the next two months, they will turn up at the WC banged up, if indeed they turn up at all.
But the meta issue here is what the Super XV has taken out of the Sanzar teams. All three coaches have sent similar messages going in to the tri-nations, that a lot of the top players are out of gas - kind of obvious now that unless they get some proper R&R over the next two months, they will turn up at the WC banged up, if indeed they turn up at all.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:42 am
Rugbydump... there were more big hits in this game than the entire super14... can you put a compilation together??
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:42 am
Rugbydump... there were more big hits in this game than the entire super14... can you put a compilation together??
Leeners93 July 18, 2011 10:17 am
Did anyone else know that Samoa have now been bankrolled by a New Zealand millionaire?Good times ahead for them I think.........
Leeners93 July 18, 2011 10:17 am
Did anyone else know that Samoa have now been bankrolled by a New Zealand millionaire?Good times ahead for them I think.........
Z July 18, 2011 10:18 am
Lol I told N time after time that the pack was just not gelling or playing as a pack even though on paper the majority are good.... He didn't buy it and said I was wrong and gives me result after result how the wallabies have one games....
What happened here? Shaky wallaby pak but the back lie under pressure over and over....
Nice wake up call....
What happened here? Shaky wallaby pak but the back lie under pressure over and over....
Nice wake up call....
Z July 18, 2011 10:18 am
Lol I told N time after time that the pack was just not gelling or playing as a pack even though on paper the majority are good.... He didn't buy it and said I was wrong and gives me result after result how the wallabies have one games....
What happened here? Shaky wallaby pak but the back lie under pressure over and over....
Nice wake up call....
What happened here? Shaky wallaby pak but the back lie under pressure over and over....
Nice wake up call....
Anonymous July 18, 2011 10:35 am
@Z
Considering only 3-4 players of the pack will play in the RWC this doesnt prove too much. What it shows is that Australia hasn't got the best depth, but that isnt a great surprise. The players who will feature in the RWC, with the exception of Elsom, who played his second game this year, played a fairly solid game I believe. I think the Tri Nations, in particular the games against NZ and the game against SA in SA will be the test for the Wallabies pack for the RWC.
Considering only 3-4 players of the pack will play in the RWC this doesnt prove too much. What it shows is that Australia hasn't got the best depth, but that isnt a great surprise. The players who will feature in the RWC, with the exception of Elsom, who played his second game this year, played a fairly solid game I believe. I think the Tri Nations, in particular the games against NZ and the game against SA in SA will be the test for the Wallabies pack for the RWC.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 10:35 am
@Z
Considering only 3-4 players of the pack will play in the RWC this doesnt prove too much. What it shows is that Australia hasn't got the best depth, but that isnt a great surprise. The players who will feature in the RWC, with the exception of Elsom, who played his second game this year, played a fairly solid game I believe. I think the Tri Nations, in particular the games against NZ and the game against SA in SA will be the test for the Wallabies pack for the RWC.
Considering only 3-4 players of the pack will play in the RWC this doesnt prove too much. What it shows is that Australia hasn't got the best depth, but that isnt a great surprise. The players who will feature in the RWC, with the exception of Elsom, who played his second game this year, played a fairly solid game I believe. I think the Tri Nations, in particular the games against NZ and the game against SA in SA will be the test for the Wallabies pack for the RWC.
Danparksisagirlbutis July 18, 2011 10:39 am
RD please make a compilation of the big hits in this match! Some were huge :D. And does anyone know when henry tuilagi is eligible to play again?
Danparksisagirlbutis July 18, 2011 10:39 am
RD please make a compilation of the big hits in this match! Some were huge :D. And does anyone know when henry tuilagi is eligible to play again?
Paolo July 18, 2011 11:07 am
Who was the Aussie 14 who pulled right out of tackling Tuilagi after the cross kick from the Samoan 10 went slightly wrong
He looked petrified of the big man (not that I can blame him, but I'm not an international rugby player!) and it led directly to a Samoan try
Think this game shows 3 things...
1. The Aussies don't have great strength in depth and an injury to a key player like Genia or Pocock will be a disaster
2. The Samoans are really learning from the experience they've gained in Europe and elsewhere. Their success can only be good for the game as a whole
3. Wales should be terrified and the odds are probably against them getting out of their pool in the RWC
He looked petrified of the big man (not that I can blame him, but I'm not an international rugby player!) and it led directly to a Samoan try
Think this game shows 3 things...
1. The Aussies don't have great strength in depth and an injury to a key player like Genia or Pocock will be a disaster
2. The Samoans are really learning from the experience they've gained in Europe and elsewhere. Their success can only be good for the game as a whole
3. Wales should be terrified and the odds are probably against them getting out of their pool in the RWC
Paolo July 18, 2011 11:07 am
Who was the Aussie 14 who pulled right out of tackling Tuilagi after the cross kick from the Samoan 10 went slightly wrong
He looked petrified of the big man (not that I can blame him, but I'm not an international rugby player!) and it led directly to a Samoan try
Think this game shows 3 things...
1. The Aussies don't have great strength in depth and an injury to a key player like Genia or Pocock will be a disaster
2. The Samoans are really learning from the experience they've gained in Europe and elsewhere. Their success can only be good for the game as a whole
3. Wales should be terrified and the odds are probably against them getting out of their pool in the RWC
He looked petrified of the big man (not that I can blame him, but I'm not an international rugby player!) and it led directly to a Samoan try
Think this game shows 3 things...
1. The Aussies don't have great strength in depth and an injury to a key player like Genia or Pocock will be a disaster
2. The Samoans are really learning from the experience they've gained in Europe and elsewhere. Their success can only be good for the game as a whole
3. Wales should be terrified and the odds are probably against them getting out of their pool in the RWC
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:29 am
Ireland will eat this Aussie team alive. Don't bother with the excuses, they were tired, it was a second string team, all that nonsense. The Samoans crucified the second placed team in the world, which kind of puts the IRB rankings in perspective. Beaten by a second string Munster team last year and beaten by a minnow this year. Australia to go out in the quarters.
Where are all the big mouths from last week now?
Where are all the big mouths from last week now?
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:29 am
Ireland will eat this Aussie team alive. Don't bother with the excuses, they were tired, it was a second string team, all that nonsense. The Samoans crucified the second placed team in the world, which kind of puts the IRB rankings in perspective. Beaten by a second string Munster team last year and beaten by a minnow this year. Australia to go out in the quarters.
Where are all the big mouths from last week now?
Where are all the big mouths from last week now?
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:43 am
Australia are good, but this just shows they are overrated.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:43 am
Australia are good, but this just shows they are overrated.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:43 am
Australia are good, but this just shows they are overrated.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:43 am
Australia are good, but this just shows they are overrated.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:48 am
Can't wait to see all the Aussies make all their excuses
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:48 am
Can't wait to see all the Aussies make all their excuses
stoojay July 18, 2011 12:01 pm
For me, this has really put a downer on the whole world cup now: I was kinda hoping that the Aussies could pull something together and really be a contender....but I guess it looks like the 'Blacks all the way for me now which I think is a little sad (no disrespect NZ) because it makes the whole tournament a bit of a forgone conclusion and because there are no serious challengers, will take a bit of the gloss off the inevitable NZ win.
Fair comment?
Fair comment?
stoojay July 18, 2011 12:01 pm
For me, this has really put a downer on the whole world cup now: I was kinda hoping that the Aussies could pull something together and really be a contender....but I guess it looks like the 'Blacks all the way for me now which I think is a little sad (no disrespect NZ) because it makes the whole tournament a bit of a forgone conclusion and because there are no serious challengers, will take a bit of the gloss off the inevitable NZ win.
Fair comment?
Fair comment?
Anonymous July 18, 2011 12:02 pm
what was most embarrassing was the aussie commentators (greg martin or phil kearns both equally appalling one eyed and arrogant) saying that at 3 nil up that samoa should take a picture of the scoreboard!! hopefully the last time they ever commentate a game but that's to much to ask I'm sure.
Wales will learn from this and will beat samoa as they will have a healthy respect for the samoans-will kick their penalties when offered and play their 1XV. Sneaky suspicion also that when they perform the welsh pack is better than the aussies. Let's see how the fijians go against the AB's in order to see what challenges they'll offer!
also congrats for samoa-good win for world rugby!
Wales will learn from this and will beat samoa as they will have a healthy respect for the samoans-will kick their penalties when offered and play their 1XV. Sneaky suspicion also that when they perform the welsh pack is better than the aussies. Let's see how the fijians go against the AB's in order to see what challenges they'll offer!
also congrats for samoa-good win for world rugby!
Anonymous July 18, 2011 12:02 pm
what was most embarrassing was the aussie commentators (greg martin or phil kearns both equally appalling one eyed and arrogant) saying that at 3 nil up that samoa should take a picture of the scoreboard!! hopefully the last time they ever commentate a game but that's to much to ask I'm sure.
Wales will learn from this and will beat samoa as they will have a healthy respect for the samoans-will kick their penalties when offered and play their 1XV. Sneaky suspicion also that when they perform the welsh pack is better than the aussies. Let's see how the fijians go against the AB's in order to see what challenges they'll offer!
also congrats for samoa-good win for world rugby!
Wales will learn from this and will beat samoa as they will have a healthy respect for the samoans-will kick their penalties when offered and play their 1XV. Sneaky suspicion also that when they perform the welsh pack is better than the aussies. Let's see how the fijians go against the AB's in order to see what challenges they'll offer!
also congrats for samoa-good win for world rugby!
ConnachtAbu July 18, 2011 12:11 pm
@ Do Little
"Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5."
You're actually kidding me? They do not have the same depth as England? England! Ha. England have on the shallowest squads I've seen in the last few years, especially in the backs. When they start losing the likes of Youngs, Ashton and co they will be in some bother. They bottle under pressure anyways: Leicester vs Leinster this year, England vs Ireland for the grandslam.
"Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5."
You're actually kidding me? They do not have the same depth as England? England! Ha. England have on the shallowest squads I've seen in the last few years, especially in the backs. When they start losing the likes of Youngs, Ashton and co they will be in some bother. They bottle under pressure anyways: Leicester vs Leinster this year, England vs Ireland for the grandslam.
ConnachtAbu July 18, 2011 12:11 pm
@ Do Little
"Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5."
You're actually kidding me? They do not have the same depth as England? England! Ha. England have on the shallowest squads I've seen in the last few years, especially in the backs. When they start losing the likes of Youngs, Ashton and co they will be in some bother. They bottle under pressure anyways: Leicester vs Leinster this year, England vs Ireland for the grandslam.
"Oz just dont have the same depth as NZ, Boks or England, particulary in the tight 5."
You're actually kidding me? They do not have the same depth as England? England! Ha. England have on the shallowest squads I've seen in the last few years, especially in the backs. When they start losing the likes of Youngs, Ashton and co they will be in some bother. They bottle under pressure anyways: Leicester vs Leinster this year, England vs Ireland for the grandslam.
Alphonse July 18, 2011 12:13 pm
Australia has now lost to Fiji, Tonga and Samoa, to complete the set. Best thing that could have happened to them at this stage of their RWC preparation.
Alphonse July 18, 2011 12:13 pm
Australia has now lost to Fiji, Tonga and Samoa, to complete the set. Best thing that could have happened to them at this stage of their RWC preparation.
Morgan Leadbitter July 18, 2011 12:14 pm
Not at all Stoojay,
You really should know this by now but here is a reminder; NZ have been clear favourites for every World Cup in its history, yet have choked on all but one occasion.
I would never argue against that on paper, man for man, they are the strongest team in the tournament. Whilst no one would be suprised if they go on to win it, the same could be said if they ended up coming second or third. There are no forgone conclusions to test match rugby, other than this World Cup is going to be brilliant!
You really should know this by now but here is a reminder; NZ have been clear favourites for every World Cup in its history, yet have choked on all but one occasion.
I would never argue against that on paper, man for man, they are the strongest team in the tournament. Whilst no one would be suprised if they go on to win it, the same could be said if they ended up coming second or third. There are no forgone conclusions to test match rugby, other than this World Cup is going to be brilliant!
Morgan Leadbitter July 18, 2011 12:14 pm
Not at all Stoojay,
You really should know this by now but here is a reminder; NZ have been clear favourites for every World Cup in its history, yet have choked on all but one occasion.
I would never argue against that on paper, man for man, they are the strongest team in the tournament. Whilst no one would be suprised if they go on to win it, the same could be said if they ended up coming second or third. There are no forgone conclusions to test match rugby, other than this World Cup is going to be brilliant!
You really should know this by now but here is a reminder; NZ have been clear favourites for every World Cup in its history, yet have choked on all but one occasion.
I would never argue against that on paper, man for man, they are the strongest team in the tournament. Whilst no one would be suprised if they go on to win it, the same could be said if they ended up coming second or third. There are no forgone conclusions to test match rugby, other than this World Cup is going to be brilliant!
Gareth July 18, 2011 12:23 pm
Can't wait till September, this world cup is gonna rock!
Gareth July 18, 2011 12:23 pm
Can't wait till September, this world cup is gonna rock!
Jeremy July 18, 2011 12:23 pm
Tuilagi was terrorising the Wallabies the entire game.
I laughed heartily when he gave Davies a cheeky tap on the head after nailing him in a crunching-tackle
I laughed heartily when he gave Davies a cheeky tap on the head after nailing him in a crunching-tackle
Jeremy July 18, 2011 12:23 pm
Tuilagi was terrorising the Wallabies the entire game.
I laughed heartily when he gave Davies a cheeky tap on the head after nailing him in a crunching-tackle
I laughed heartily when he gave Davies a cheeky tap on the head after nailing him in a crunching-tackle
Canadian content July 18, 2011 12:35 pm
Based on the hilites alone, mapusa had a massive game. I've always rated him since I first saw him with the London Irish.
In fact, I think he maybe the best 12 in the world.
In fact, I think he maybe the best 12 in the world.
Canadian content July 18, 2011 12:35 pm
Based on the hilites alone, mapusa had a massive game. I've always rated him since I first saw him with the London Irish.
In fact, I think he maybe the best 12 in the world.
In fact, I think he maybe the best 12 in the world.
Anonymouse July 18, 2011 12:44 pm
Who was it who said you're only as good as your last match? Do you still think that or are Samoa and England better than Australia?
Anonymouse July 18, 2011 12:44 pm
Who was it who said you're only as good as your last match? Do you still think that or are Samoa and England better than Australia?
Anonymous July 18, 2011 12:51 pm
Wake up call big time, guys given chances to stake claims before the squad is cut from 40 to 30 didnt really step up. But seriously its not that bad, next week the wallabies will have Cooper, Genia, Beale, Pocock, Oconnor, Horwill, Higginbotham and more back in the starting team. Still they should have won and putting that side out probably showed a lack of respect to a Samoan side that has great players.
Good result for world rugby.
Good result for world rugby.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 12:51 pm
Wake up call big time, guys given chances to stake claims before the squad is cut from 40 to 30 didnt really step up. But seriously its not that bad, next week the wallabies will have Cooper, Genia, Beale, Pocock, Oconnor, Horwill, Higginbotham and more back in the starting team. Still they should have won and putting that side out probably showed a lack of respect to a Samoan side that has great players.
Good result for world rugby.
Good result for world rugby.
Douglas July 18, 2011 1:36 pm
I don't know what's wrong with Elsom, he simply isn't that effective. I rated him behind both Juan Smith and Kaino in last year's 3N -- I see not much has changed, even though he is coming back from injury.
It's amazing to think how one dimensional the Wallabies are. Great attacking backline and...well...not much else. No scrum, poor in the physical collisions, and some of those great attacking backs (Cooper, O'Connor, Beale) are known to be awfully soft on defence.
It's amazing to think how one dimensional the Wallabies are. Great attacking backline and...well...not much else. No scrum, poor in the physical collisions, and some of those great attacking backs (Cooper, O'Connor, Beale) are known to be awfully soft on defence.
Douglas July 18, 2011 1:36 pm
I don't know what's wrong with Elsom, he simply isn't that effective. I rated him behind both Juan Smith and Kaino in last year's 3N -- I see not much has changed, even though he is coming back from injury.
It's amazing to think how one dimensional the Wallabies are. Great attacking backline and...well...not much else. No scrum, poor in the physical collisions, and some of those great attacking backs (Cooper, O'Connor, Beale) are known to be awfully soft on defence.
It's amazing to think how one dimensional the Wallabies are. Great attacking backline and...well...not much else. No scrum, poor in the physical collisions, and some of those great attacking backs (Cooper, O'Connor, Beale) are known to be awfully soft on defence.
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 2:13 pm
I'm so glad the aussies got put in there place by samoa, it's about time the most overated team in the world came down to earth with a bump (and there were plenty of bumps!!)claims that the wallabies will win the wc are laughable! they are rubbish. NZ are the only team in it, however, second place will be a good contest it'll be between the boks, england, france and ireland.
Australia couldn't even beat Wales or scotland!!! on a positive note it's about time samoa get some deserved wins, they embrace the game, produce the most natural rugby players in the world and they are great to watch I hope they do well in the WC!
Australia couldn't even beat Wales or scotland!!! on a positive note it's about time samoa get some deserved wins, they embrace the game, produce the most natural rugby players in the world and they are great to watch I hope they do well in the WC!
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 2:13 pm
I'm so glad the aussies got put in there place by samoa, it's about time the most overated team in the world came down to earth with a bump (and there were plenty of bumps!!)claims that the wallabies will win the wc are laughable! they are rubbish. NZ are the only team in it, however, second place will be a good contest it'll be between the boks, england, france and ireland.
Australia couldn't even beat Wales or scotland!!! on a positive note it's about time samoa get some deserved wins, they embrace the game, produce the most natural rugby players in the world and they are great to watch I hope they do well in the WC!
Australia couldn't even beat Wales or scotland!!! on a positive note it's about time samoa get some deserved wins, they embrace the game, produce the most natural rugby players in the world and they are great to watch I hope they do well in the WC!
Colombes July 18, 2011 2:24 pm
Great performance by the manu-samoas, they have the potential to go through the rwc pools.
Concernin Aussies, well u can't expect anythin else when u underestimate the opponents. France did the same against Italy durin the 6N in the same unmotivated way.
The Big 5 will be ready certainly ready for the RWC, but teams like samoa, tonga, usa and even japan will play without complex
Concernin Aussies, well u can't expect anythin else when u underestimate the opponents. France did the same against Italy durin the 6N in the same unmotivated way.
The Big 5 will be ready certainly ready for the RWC, but teams like samoa, tonga, usa and even japan will play without complex
Colombes July 18, 2011 2:24 pm
Great performance by the manu-samoas, they have the potential to go through the rwc pools.
Concernin Aussies, well u can't expect anythin else when u underestimate the opponents. France did the same against Italy durin the 6N in the same unmotivated way.
The Big 5 will be ready certainly ready for the RWC, but teams like samoa, tonga, usa and even japan will play without complex
Concernin Aussies, well u can't expect anythin else when u underestimate the opponents. France did the same against Italy durin the 6N in the same unmotivated way.
The Big 5 will be ready certainly ready for the RWC, but teams like samoa, tonga, usa and even japan will play without complex
Anonymous July 18, 2011 2:27 pm
Well, here we go Im an Aussie talking and ive brought my shield with me haha.
Look I know its no excuse (We lost because we had no aggression and were out enthused all that jargon, samoa just flat out beat us) BUT anybody who thinks this will be anything similar to the team that will take the field in the rwc is mistaken. You can expect to see probably up to 11 changes to the starting xv.
And now to step in the line of fire...Most people had it right when they said it exposes a lack of depth in the wallabies. I still believe however if we stay fit and keep our best side on the park we can make a play for the cup. The biggest thing is consistency and the young wallabies seem to lose it too often. It is a very young reds team who won the super 15 and a very young wallabies side, so perhaps our time isnt now, but we are on the verge of becoming a superpower.
Everyone seems to bag out Aus with all this overrated stuff, somewhat validated i suppose. But i think its more a consistency thing. I mean you dont lose to Eng convincly on the spring tour then turn around and put 50 on france without having some ability. So to sum up this massive rant (sorry) bottom line is we have a good side whether people like to believe it or not. And as with any aussie sports team, write them off at your own peril.
Look I know its no excuse (We lost because we had no aggression and were out enthused all that jargon, samoa just flat out beat us) BUT anybody who thinks this will be anything similar to the team that will take the field in the rwc is mistaken. You can expect to see probably up to 11 changes to the starting xv.
And now to step in the line of fire...Most people had it right when they said it exposes a lack of depth in the wallabies. I still believe however if we stay fit and keep our best side on the park we can make a play for the cup. The biggest thing is consistency and the young wallabies seem to lose it too often. It is a very young reds team who won the super 15 and a very young wallabies side, so perhaps our time isnt now, but we are on the verge of becoming a superpower.
Everyone seems to bag out Aus with all this overrated stuff, somewhat validated i suppose. But i think its more a consistency thing. I mean you dont lose to Eng convincly on the spring tour then turn around and put 50 on france without having some ability. So to sum up this massive rant (sorry) bottom line is we have a good side whether people like to believe it or not. And as with any aussie sports team, write them off at your own peril.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 2:27 pm
Well, here we go Im an Aussie talking and ive brought my shield with me haha.
Look I know its no excuse (We lost because we had no aggression and were out enthused all that jargon, samoa just flat out beat us) BUT anybody who thinks this will be anything similar to the team that will take the field in the rwc is mistaken. You can expect to see probably up to 11 changes to the starting xv.
And now to step in the line of fire...Most people had it right when they said it exposes a lack of depth in the wallabies. I still believe however if we stay fit and keep our best side on the park we can make a play for the cup. The biggest thing is consistency and the young wallabies seem to lose it too often. It is a very young reds team who won the super 15 and a very young wallabies side, so perhaps our time isnt now, but we are on the verge of becoming a superpower.
Everyone seems to bag out Aus with all this overrated stuff, somewhat validated i suppose. But i think its more a consistency thing. I mean you dont lose to Eng convincly on the spring tour then turn around and put 50 on france without having some ability. So to sum up this massive rant (sorry) bottom line is we have a good side whether people like to believe it or not. And as with any aussie sports team, write them off at your own peril.
Look I know its no excuse (We lost because we had no aggression and were out enthused all that jargon, samoa just flat out beat us) BUT anybody who thinks this will be anything similar to the team that will take the field in the rwc is mistaken. You can expect to see probably up to 11 changes to the starting xv.
And now to step in the line of fire...Most people had it right when they said it exposes a lack of depth in the wallabies. I still believe however if we stay fit and keep our best side on the park we can make a play for the cup. The biggest thing is consistency and the young wallabies seem to lose it too often. It is a very young reds team who won the super 15 and a very young wallabies side, so perhaps our time isnt now, but we are on the verge of becoming a superpower.
Everyone seems to bag out Aus with all this overrated stuff, somewhat validated i suppose. But i think its more a consistency thing. I mean you dont lose to Eng convincly on the spring tour then turn around and put 50 on france without having some ability. So to sum up this massive rant (sorry) bottom line is we have a good side whether people like to believe it or not. And as with any aussie sports team, write them off at your own peril.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 2:40 pm
As a Welshman i hope this means we will actually respect the islanders for once and play our best team, which is what the paying public want anyways. Guess it shows that the aussies 2nd string isnt as strong as they always claim
Anonymous July 18, 2011 2:40 pm
As a Welshman i hope this means we will actually respect the islanders for once and play our best team, which is what the paying public want anyways. Guess it shows that the aussies 2nd string isnt as strong as they always claim
mise July 18, 2011 2:42 pm
why do Oz and NZ play the other (!) South Sea islanders so rarely? Surely they should be meeting regularly?
And is there a south sea barbarians style side?
And is there a south sea barbarians style side?
mise July 18, 2011 2:42 pm
why do Oz and NZ play the other (!) South Sea islanders so rarely? Surely they should be meeting regularly?
And is there a south sea barbarians style side?
And is there a south sea barbarians style side?
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 3:25 pm
To anon above....
I totally agree, the welsh scrum has sometimes held it's own against the irish scrum in recent years so they should destroy the samoan scrum. That is their one chance to beat the samoans, as long as they play using their heads and don't panic they could get out of the group.
I totally agree, the welsh scrum has sometimes held it's own against the irish scrum in recent years so they should destroy the samoan scrum. That is their one chance to beat the samoans, as long as they play using their heads and don't panic they could get out of the group.
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 3:25 pm
To anon above....
I totally agree, the welsh scrum has sometimes held it's own against the irish scrum in recent years so they should destroy the samoan scrum. That is their one chance to beat the samoans, as long as they play using their heads and don't panic they could get out of the group.
I totally agree, the welsh scrum has sometimes held it's own against the irish scrum in recent years so they should destroy the samoan scrum. That is their one chance to beat the samoans, as long as they play using their heads and don't panic they could get out of the group.
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 3:27 pm
To anon four above...
Wales have never beaten samoa in a world cup, even with they're strongest side but they could do it.
Wales have never beaten samoa in a world cup, even with they're strongest side but they could do it.
John Hayes best prop July 18, 2011 3:27 pm
To anon four above...
Wales have never beaten samoa in a world cup, even with they're strongest side but they could do it.
Wales have never beaten samoa in a world cup, even with they're strongest side but they could do it.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 3:45 pm
wasn't even australias best team, wales/south africa are still clear favourites for their group in the WC
Anonymous July 18, 2011 3:45 pm
wasn't even australias best team, wales/south africa are still clear favourites for their group in the WC
edbok July 18, 2011 3:47 pm
The suggestion of lack of depth of Aussie players is a bit off.
They do struggle to field five competitive S15 squads, but at Wallaby level they have the same problems of every other side, that in a couple of positions they don't really have a world class replacement.
A full strength Wallaby side, I hate to admit it, is going to be tough to beat at the world cup.
They do struggle to field five competitive S15 squads, but at Wallaby level they have the same problems of every other side, that in a couple of positions they don't really have a world class replacement.
A full strength Wallaby side, I hate to admit it, is going to be tough to beat at the world cup.
edbok July 18, 2011 3:47 pm
The suggestion of lack of depth of Aussie players is a bit off.
They do struggle to field five competitive S15 squads, but at Wallaby level they have the same problems of every other side, that in a couple of positions they don't really have a world class replacement.
A full strength Wallaby side, I hate to admit it, is going to be tough to beat at the world cup.
They do struggle to field five competitive S15 squads, but at Wallaby level they have the same problems of every other side, that in a couple of positions they don't really have a world class replacement.
A full strength Wallaby side, I hate to admit it, is going to be tough to beat at the world cup.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 3:58 pm
Does this mean a Samoan Super Rugby franchise would win the Super Rugby tourney?
Admittedly they don't dance as well as the Aussies , and that's the main requirement for modern rugby.
Admittedly they don't dance as well as the Aussies , and that's the main requirement for modern rugby.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 3:58 pm
Does this mean a Samoan Super Rugby franchise would win the Super Rugby tourney?
Admittedly they don't dance as well as the Aussies , and that's the main requirement for modern rugby.
Admittedly they don't dance as well as the Aussies , and that's the main requirement for modern rugby.
Z July 18, 2011 6:36 pm
hmmmm, I do enjoy watching Oz get beaten, especially due to the fact i've been having a debate about their pack in another section, but i dont think this game really proves an awful lot.
Someone said it in another thread how Australia perhaps had a "french rugby day" i.e. they turned up not really in the mood to play.
Take NOTHING away from Samoa, but i still believe Australia are better than Samoa... Take Italy France match earlier in the 6N...Italy one but i'd still back france in their next encounter with italy... it seemed like one of those days. However it does go to show the weaknesses within the Aussie pack, as someone said only a handful are going to be in the main games... but there is always injuries... and it goes to show the weakness in depth and i truly believe that the full Oz pack wouldnt have performed much greater than the one playing yesterday....
BUT all that being said, there is nothing like a good kick up the ass to make the team get back on their feet... and at least nothing is technically lost (i.e. other than pride this hasnt hurt their RWC or Tri nations)
I still favour Oz in the world cup, but i doubt they'll be in the finals, and i do believe they are sliiightly over-rated by their own fans... but it is world cup time, and everyone bigs up their own boys a little....
Someone said it in another thread how Australia perhaps had a "french rugby day" i.e. they turned up not really in the mood to play.
Take NOTHING away from Samoa, but i still believe Australia are better than Samoa... Take Italy France match earlier in the 6N...Italy one but i'd still back france in their next encounter with italy... it seemed like one of those days. However it does go to show the weaknesses within the Aussie pack, as someone said only a handful are going to be in the main games... but there is always injuries... and it goes to show the weakness in depth and i truly believe that the full Oz pack wouldnt have performed much greater than the one playing yesterday....
BUT all that being said, there is nothing like a good kick up the ass to make the team get back on their feet... and at least nothing is technically lost (i.e. other than pride this hasnt hurt their RWC or Tri nations)
I still favour Oz in the world cup, but i doubt they'll be in the finals, and i do believe they are sliiightly over-rated by their own fans... but it is world cup time, and everyone bigs up their own boys a little....
Z July 18, 2011 6:36 pm
hmmmm, I do enjoy watching Oz get beaten, especially due to the fact i've been having a debate about their pack in another section, but i dont think this game really proves an awful lot.
Someone said it in another thread how Australia perhaps had a "french rugby day" i.e. they turned up not really in the mood to play.
Take NOTHING away from Samoa, but i still believe Australia are better than Samoa... Take Italy France match earlier in the 6N...Italy one but i'd still back france in their next encounter with italy... it seemed like one of those days. However it does go to show the weaknesses within the Aussie pack, as someone said only a handful are going to be in the main games... but there is always injuries... and it goes to show the weakness in depth and i truly believe that the full Oz pack wouldnt have performed much greater than the one playing yesterday....
BUT all that being said, there is nothing like a good kick up the ass to make the team get back on their feet... and at least nothing is technically lost (i.e. other than pride this hasnt hurt their RWC or Tri nations)
I still favour Oz in the world cup, but i doubt they'll be in the finals, and i do believe they are sliiightly over-rated by their own fans... but it is world cup time, and everyone bigs up their own boys a little....
Someone said it in another thread how Australia perhaps had a "french rugby day" i.e. they turned up not really in the mood to play.
Take NOTHING away from Samoa, but i still believe Australia are better than Samoa... Take Italy France match earlier in the 6N...Italy one but i'd still back france in their next encounter with italy... it seemed like one of those days. However it does go to show the weaknesses within the Aussie pack, as someone said only a handful are going to be in the main games... but there is always injuries... and it goes to show the weakness in depth and i truly believe that the full Oz pack wouldnt have performed much greater than the one playing yesterday....
BUT all that being said, there is nothing like a good kick up the ass to make the team get back on their feet... and at least nothing is technically lost (i.e. other than pride this hasnt hurt their RWC or Tri nations)
I still favour Oz in the world cup, but i doubt they'll be in the finals, and i do believe they are sliiightly over-rated by their own fans... but it is world cup time, and everyone bigs up their own boys a little....
kaibishin July 18, 2011 6:36 pm
Wow, not gona lie, I wasn't expecting that outcome. But I bloody enjoyed the game, even though the Aussie team let me down. But this match has got me well excited for the WC.
I know most people seem to claim that their team WILL win as if they have looked into the future, but the RWC is full of surprises. Every team must bring there all and show pure determination to win unlike this Aussie team.
I know most people seem to claim that their team WILL win as if they have looked into the future, but the RWC is full of surprises. Every team must bring there all and show pure determination to win unlike this Aussie team.
kaibishin July 18, 2011 6:36 pm
Wow, not gona lie, I wasn't expecting that outcome. But I bloody enjoyed the game, even though the Aussie team let me down. But this match has got me well excited for the WC.
I know most people seem to claim that their team WILL win as if they have looked into the future, but the RWC is full of surprises. Every team must bring there all and show pure determination to win unlike this Aussie team.
I know most people seem to claim that their team WILL win as if they have looked into the future, but the RWC is full of surprises. Every team must bring there all and show pure determination to win unlike this Aussie team.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:11 pm
This is great for rugby - the so called minnows are closing the gap. The truth is the Samoans are going to be really tough to beat and on their day could beat anyone (apart from NZ).
As for the WC - I too think this is going to be a great one, held in a beautiful country full of great people. In my opinion the best teams in the tournament are:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
Having said this I believe that SA will retain the cup as there is so much pressure on the home side. They have been playing the best rugby for years and fully deserve to win this time around but, I just have a feeling that the SA meat grinders are going to pull out all the stops and pip them to the post.
Have a good WC everyone!
Pete
As for the WC - I too think this is going to be a great one, held in a beautiful country full of great people. In my opinion the best teams in the tournament are:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
Having said this I believe that SA will retain the cup as there is so much pressure on the home side. They have been playing the best rugby for years and fully deserve to win this time around but, I just have a feeling that the SA meat grinders are going to pull out all the stops and pip them to the post.
Have a good WC everyone!
Pete
Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:11 pm
This is great for rugby - the so called minnows are closing the gap. The truth is the Samoans are going to be really tough to beat and on their day could beat anyone (apart from NZ).
As for the WC - I too think this is going to be a great one, held in a beautiful country full of great people. In my opinion the best teams in the tournament are:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
Having said this I believe that SA will retain the cup as there is so much pressure on the home side. They have been playing the best rugby for years and fully deserve to win this time around but, I just have a feeling that the SA meat grinders are going to pull out all the stops and pip them to the post.
Have a good WC everyone!
Pete
As for the WC - I too think this is going to be a great one, held in a beautiful country full of great people. In my opinion the best teams in the tournament are:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
Having said this I believe that SA will retain the cup as there is so much pressure on the home side. They have been playing the best rugby for years and fully deserve to win this time around but, I just have a feeling that the SA meat grinders are going to pull out all the stops and pip them to the post.
Have a good WC everyone!
Pete
Stephen Jones' Welli July 18, 2011 8:39 pm
Luckily for Wales, we have been playing the most conservative gameplan of any welsh side in years, which should mean; a lack of turnover ball for Samoa/Fiji, our ball carriers shouldn't be isolated, we won't leave our outside backs get smashed one on one and we shouldn't get drawn into a game of chuck about with two sides who are very good at it. We should win two close, physical games with boring welsh performances.....
Then again, we should have done that in 1991, 1999 and 2003 and we didn't do it. We seem to have a collective brain explosion against Fiji/Samoa. I won't be confident going into this pool at all.
Then again, we should have done that in 1991, 1999 and 2003 and we didn't do it. We seem to have a collective brain explosion against Fiji/Samoa. I won't be confident going into this pool at all.
Stephen Jones' Welli July 18, 2011 8:39 pm
Luckily for Wales, we have been playing the most conservative gameplan of any welsh side in years, which should mean; a lack of turnover ball for Samoa/Fiji, our ball carriers shouldn't be isolated, we won't leave our outside backs get smashed one on one and we shouldn't get drawn into a game of chuck about with two sides who are very good at it. We should win two close, physical games with boring welsh performances.....
Then again, we should have done that in 1991, 1999 and 2003 and we didn't do it. We seem to have a collective brain explosion against Fiji/Samoa. I won't be confident going into this pool at all.
Then again, we should have done that in 1991, 1999 and 2003 and we didn't do it. We seem to have a collective brain explosion against Fiji/Samoa. I won't be confident going into this pool at all.
Guy July 18, 2011 8:44 pm
Might be a one off...
but a very impressive one nevertheless!
Congrats to the Samoans.
but a very impressive one nevertheless!
Congrats to the Samoans.
Guy July 18, 2011 8:44 pm
Might be a one off...
but a very impressive one nevertheless!
Congrats to the Samoans.
but a very impressive one nevertheless!
Congrats to the Samoans.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:57 pm
I must admit Samoa has never really had a problem punching holes in opposition defence or putting in the big tackles for their defence, but they always seem to let trys through somehow...i mean they had a 17-0 lead yet they only won by 9 points...after letting in some fairly weak scores...
Anonymous July 18, 2011 8:57 pm
I must admit Samoa has never really had a problem punching holes in opposition defence or putting in the big tackles for their defence, but they always seem to let trys through somehow...i mean they had a 17-0 lead yet they only won by 9 points...after letting in some fairly weak scores...
moddeur July 18, 2011 9:09 pm
@ Anonymous
Your classification:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
... fails to allow for the French squad. Depending on the weather forecast, food they had for lunch, time spent arguing with girlfriends on the phone, which side of the bed they slept on, what their bus driver told them when they got off, and how well they brushed their teeth, the French squad can either comfortably beat New Zealand or convincingly lose to Tonga.
Your classification:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
... fails to allow for the French squad. Depending on the weather forecast, food they had for lunch, time spent arguing with girlfriends on the phone, which side of the bed they slept on, what their bus driver told them when they got off, and how well they brushed their teeth, the French squad can either comfortably beat New Zealand or convincingly lose to Tonga.
moddeur July 18, 2011 9:09 pm
@ Anonymous
Your classification:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
... fails to allow for the French squad. Depending on the weather forecast, food they had for lunch, time spent arguing with girlfriends on the phone, which side of the bed they slept on, what their bus driver told them when they got off, and how well they brushed their teeth, the French squad can either comfortably beat New Zealand or convincingly lose to Tonga.
Your classification:
1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland
... fails to allow for the French squad. Depending on the weather forecast, food they had for lunch, time spent arguing with girlfriends on the phone, which side of the bed they slept on, what their bus driver told them when they got off, and how well they brushed their teeth, the French squad can either comfortably beat New Zealand or convincingly lose to Tonga.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:21 pm
^^^ lol, gotta love the french ability to keep you expecting the unexpected...
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:21 pm
^^^ lol, gotta love the french ability to keep you expecting the unexpected...
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:34 pm
They dont play the pacific island teams as much for a few reasons.
1) Money, plain and simple those games dont get the crowd turn out that the tri nations teams require to make a profit.
2) Fatigue, they already play a very long season and there is always talk of player fatigue and such. Adding on another few games would be too much.
3) The side that samoa put on the field for this match was a very good one but that isnt always the case. Because their players ply their trades on all corners of the globe its very hard too get them back for these matches (this year being the exception due to the world cup) and unless they get their best they would be cannon fodder to the big 3 and that wont benefit anyone.
1) Money, plain and simple those games dont get the crowd turn out that the tri nations teams require to make a profit.
2) Fatigue, they already play a very long season and there is always talk of player fatigue and such. Adding on another few games would be too much.
3) The side that samoa put on the field for this match was a very good one but that isnt always the case. Because their players ply their trades on all corners of the globe its very hard too get them back for these matches (this year being the exception due to the world cup) and unless they get their best they would be cannon fodder to the big 3 and that wont benefit anyone.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 9:34 pm
They dont play the pacific island teams as much for a few reasons.
1) Money, plain and simple those games dont get the crowd turn out that the tri nations teams require to make a profit.
2) Fatigue, they already play a very long season and there is always talk of player fatigue and such. Adding on another few games would be too much.
3) The side that samoa put on the field for this match was a very good one but that isnt always the case. Because their players ply their trades on all corners of the globe its very hard too get them back for these matches (this year being the exception due to the world cup) and unless they get their best they would be cannon fodder to the big 3 and that wont benefit anyone.
1) Money, plain and simple those games dont get the crowd turn out that the tri nations teams require to make a profit.
2) Fatigue, they already play a very long season and there is always talk of player fatigue and such. Adding on another few games would be too much.
3) The side that samoa put on the field for this match was a very good one but that isnt always the case. Because their players ply their trades on all corners of the globe its very hard too get them back for these matches (this year being the exception due to the world cup) and unless they get their best they would be cannon fodder to the big 3 and that wont benefit anyone.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 10:01 pm
Hopefully the Tri-nation teams will be so f****d come the World cup Wales will sneak a win?...
Anonymous July 18, 2011 10:01 pm
Hopefully the Tri-nation teams will be so f****d come the World cup Wales will sneak a win?...
N July 18, 2011 11:50 pm
Hey Z,
Credit where credit's do.
After this performance it's very hard to defend the Australian team.
They were just plain soft in this game.
Arrogent even. They expected it to be a training run and got blasted in contact. No physicality.
Pathetic from them really, and unless they turn it around in the next four games, I'm gonna side with you and say I was wrong, the pack is weak. Not technically, but in terms of their physicality.
Samoa on the other hand really showed what they are capable of with all their players abck and under good coaches.
They have always been physical (as they were on Sunday), but this time they were also composed and organised, in attack, and particularly defence. At tno point did they come apart of lose their organisation.
Credit where credit's do.
After this performance it's very hard to defend the Australian team.
They were just plain soft in this game.
Arrogent even. They expected it to be a training run and got blasted in contact. No physicality.
Pathetic from them really, and unless they turn it around in the next four games, I'm gonna side with you and say I was wrong, the pack is weak. Not technically, but in terms of their physicality.
Samoa on the other hand really showed what they are capable of with all their players abck and under good coaches.
They have always been physical (as they were on Sunday), but this time they were also composed and organised, in attack, and particularly defence. At tno point did they come apart of lose their organisation.
N July 18, 2011 11:50 pm
Hey Z,
Credit where credit's do.
After this performance it's very hard to defend the Australian team.
They were just plain soft in this game.
Arrogent even. They expected it to be a training run and got blasted in contact. No physicality.
Pathetic from them really, and unless they turn it around in the next four games, I'm gonna side with you and say I was wrong, the pack is weak. Not technically, but in terms of their physicality.
Samoa on the other hand really showed what they are capable of with all their players abck and under good coaches.
They have always been physical (as they were on Sunday), but this time they were also composed and organised, in attack, and particularly defence. At tno point did they come apart of lose their organisation.
Credit where credit's do.
After this performance it's very hard to defend the Australian team.
They were just plain soft in this game.
Arrogent even. They expected it to be a training run and got blasted in contact. No physicality.
Pathetic from them really, and unless they turn it around in the next four games, I'm gonna side with you and say I was wrong, the pack is weak. Not technically, but in terms of their physicality.
Samoa on the other hand really showed what they are capable of with all their players abck and under good coaches.
They have always been physical (as they were on Sunday), but this time they were also composed and organised, in attack, and particularly defence. At tno point did they come apart of lose their organisation.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:58 pm
"1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland"
By England B you are referring to England right? I think the more apt name is the SANZAR Barbarians.
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland"
By England B you are referring to England right? I think the more apt name is the SANZAR Barbarians.
Anonymous July 18, 2011 11:58 pm
"1) New Zealand
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland"
By England B you are referring to England right? I think the more apt name is the SANZAR Barbarians.
2) New Zealand B team
3) SA
4) Aus
5) Ireland"
By England B you are referring to England right? I think the more apt name is the SANZAR Barbarians.
Anonymous July 19, 2011 12:38 am
mapasua has been probably the standout centre in europe over the last few years along with odriscoll. its a pity he was playing for london irish or he wouldve got more of a time to shine. he actually has all of the same attributes as odriscoll - same height weight shape, defensive ability, passing
Anonymous July 19, 2011 12:38 am
mapasua has been probably the standout centre in europe over the last few years along with odriscoll. its a pity he was playing for london irish or he wouldve got more of a time to shine. he actually has all of the same attributes as odriscoll - same height weight shape, defensive ability, passing
Anonymous July 19, 2011 12:44 am
@John Hayes best prop ever said.
no one can take any of your comments seriously with that name. standard mouthy munsterman
no one can take any of your comments seriously with that name. standard mouthy munsterman
Anonymous July 19, 2011 12:44 am
@John Hayes best prop ever said.
no one can take any of your comments seriously with that name. standard mouthy munsterman
no one can take any of your comments seriously with that name. standard mouthy munsterman
JG July 19, 2011 1:51 am
I noticed that on the IRB rankings that Australia are no longer the number 2 team in the world since this loss to Samoa. I think that will motivate the Boks more than Australia, while I am not a Boks supporter, I think they may be in for a much better year than last year.
JG July 19, 2011 1:51 am
I noticed that on the IRB rankings that Australia are no longer the number 2 team in the world since this loss to Samoa. I think that will motivate the Boks more than Australia, while I am not a Boks supporter, I think they may be in for a much better year than last year.
N July 19, 2011 3:03 am
It tells me that the Wallabies rely on a few key individuals, heavily rely on them.
Without the grit of Pocock, the power of Palu and Polota-Nau and the physicality and bulk of Horwill, the Aussie pack may well just be a bit soft compared to the best packs.
And without the magic of Genia, Cooper, Beale and O'Conner the backline looks fairly average too.
Without the grit of Pocock, the power of Palu and Polota-Nau and the physicality and bulk of Horwill, the Aussie pack may well just be a bit soft compared to the best packs.
And without the magic of Genia, Cooper, Beale and O'Conner the backline looks fairly average too.
N July 19, 2011 3:03 am
It tells me that the Wallabies rely on a few key individuals, heavily rely on them.
Without the grit of Pocock, the power of Palu and Polota-Nau and the physicality and bulk of Horwill, the Aussie pack may well just be a bit soft compared to the best packs.
And without the magic of Genia, Cooper, Beale and O'Conner the backline looks fairly average too.
Without the grit of Pocock, the power of Palu and Polota-Nau and the physicality and bulk of Horwill, the Aussie pack may well just be a bit soft compared to the best packs.
And without the magic of Genia, Cooper, Beale and O'Conner the backline looks fairly average too.
Anonymous July 19, 2011 7:34 am
Anon above,
the players you've named are key players, sure.
However, they're also the bulk of the team. If you were to single out three key forwards and four key backs from any test team, they'd probably not fare so well.
With the inclusion of the players you've just mentioned, I see the Ockers as one of the clear favourites for the cup, alongside the Kiwis.
As one of the cocky Bruces above said, write the Wallabies off at your own peril
the players you've named are key players, sure.
However, they're also the bulk of the team. If you were to single out three key forwards and four key backs from any test team, they'd probably not fare so well.
With the inclusion of the players you've just mentioned, I see the Ockers as one of the clear favourites for the cup, alongside the Kiwis.
As one of the cocky Bruces above said, write the Wallabies off at your own peril
Anonymous July 19, 2011 7:34 am
Anon above,
the players you've named are key players, sure.
However, they're also the bulk of the team. If you were to single out three key forwards and four key backs from any test team, they'd probably not fare so well.
With the inclusion of the players you've just mentioned, I see the Ockers as one of the clear favourites for the cup, alongside the Kiwis.
As one of the cocky Bruces above said, write the Wallabies off at your own peril
the players you've named are key players, sure.
However, they're also the bulk of the team. If you were to single out three key forwards and four key backs from any test team, they'd probably not fare so well.
With the inclusion of the players you've just mentioned, I see the Ockers as one of the clear favourites for the cup, alongside the Kiwis.
As one of the cocky Bruces above said, write the Wallabies off at your own peril
N July 19, 2011 8:24 am
Hey, I'm an Aussie fan myself mate, and I agree, it'd be crazy to write them off just yet.
Still, the fringe players really proved why they are fringe players and that Aus rugby lacks depth.
If there's too many injuries, we are screwed.
Still, the fringe players really proved why they are fringe players and that Aus rugby lacks depth.
If there's too many injuries, we are screwed.
N July 19, 2011 8:24 am
Hey, I'm an Aussie fan myself mate, and I agree, it'd be crazy to write them off just yet.
Still, the fringe players really proved why they are fringe players and that Aus rugby lacks depth.
If there's too many injuries, we are screwed.
Still, the fringe players really proved why they are fringe players and that Aus rugby lacks depth.
If there's too many injuries, we are screwed.
N July 19, 2011 8:30 am
This is the team for SA :
Alexander - Moore - Kepu
Horwill - Simmonds
Elsom - Pocock - McCalmun
Genia - Cooper
Ioane - McCabe - Ashley-Cooper - O'Conner
Beale.
I'd have Fainga instead of McCabe or AAC, but other than that it's close to full strength (minus injuries to Robinson, Mitchell, Polota-Nau).
Alexander - Moore - Kepu
Horwill - Simmonds
Elsom - Pocock - McCalmun
Genia - Cooper
Ioane - McCabe - Ashley-Cooper - O'Conner
Beale.
I'd have Fainga instead of McCabe or AAC, but other than that it's close to full strength (minus injuries to Robinson, Mitchell, Polota-Nau).
N July 19, 2011 8:30 am
This is the team for SA :
Alexander - Moore - Kepu
Horwill - Simmonds
Elsom - Pocock - McCalmun
Genia - Cooper
Ioane - McCabe - Ashley-Cooper - O'Conner
Beale.
I'd have Fainga instead of McCabe or AAC, but other than that it's close to full strength (minus injuries to Robinson, Mitchell, Polota-Nau).
Alexander - Moore - Kepu
Horwill - Simmonds
Elsom - Pocock - McCalmun
Genia - Cooper
Ioane - McCabe - Ashley-Cooper - O'Conner
Beale.
I'd have Fainga instead of McCabe or AAC, but other than that it's close to full strength (minus injuries to Robinson, Mitchell, Polota-Nau).
Anonymous July 19, 2011 8:34 am
LOL to all the welsh fanboys out there who think there scrum will crush samoa's : did any of you idiots watch the last game samoa vs'd wales???? samoan pack dominated them and if it wasnt for a poor descision by the referee to give a penalty on the try line after wales pulled the scrum down not once not twice not three or four times but FIVE TIMES???? what happen to smashing them?? you all sound exactly like THE AUSSIES :D i hope all wales will be thinking the same because they will be in a great shock after cencus (toulouse) schwalger (Highlanders) Taulafo (Wasps) and a couple of other good props do some damage... GL to you!
Anonymous July 19, 2011 8:34 am
LOL to all the welsh fanboys out there who think there scrum will crush samoa's : did any of you idiots watch the last game samoa vs'd wales???? samoan pack dominated them and if it wasnt for a poor descision by the referee to give a penalty on the try line after wales pulled the scrum down not once not twice not three or four times but FIVE TIMES???? what happen to smashing them?? you all sound exactly like THE AUSSIES :D i hope all wales will be thinking the same because they will be in a great shock after cencus (toulouse) schwalger (Highlanders) Taulafo (Wasps) and a couple of other good props do some damage... GL to you!
blackfern July 19, 2011 9:11 am
Nice work to Samoa. As a neutral I wouldn't be writing off the aussies. They made so many errors they gifted the game to samoa with drop balls and slipping over in the wet conditions. They will be contenders for the RWC if they have their best side on song.
blackfern July 19, 2011 9:11 am
Nice work to Samoa. As a neutral I wouldn't be writing off the aussies. They made so many errors they gifted the game to samoa with drop balls and slipping over in the wet conditions. They will be contenders for the RWC if they have their best side on song.
Z July 19, 2011 12:32 pm
Well, as I have said I am a strong believer in a good kick up the ass to get team motivated, and I also said (maybe on one of the other comments) that at least the only thing really lost here for Australia was pride. I know its not "nothing" but at least it wasnt a World cup match or tri nations, so for THEIR sake its "not..that...bad" but hopefully will spur them on into the tri nations. I wish them luck and hope they do well in it! and definately do not right off the aussies because of that one loss....
Z July 19, 2011 12:32 pm
Well, as I have said I am a strong believer in a good kick up the ass to get team motivated, and I also said (maybe on one of the other comments) that at least the only thing really lost here for Australia was pride. I know its not "nothing" but at least it wasnt a World cup match or tri nations, so for THEIR sake its "not..that...bad" but hopefully will spur them on into the tri nations. I wish them luck and hope they do well in it! and definately do not right off the aussies because of that one loss....
Anonymous July 19, 2011 4:57 pm
tbh, aussies were scared to touch the ball with all the big hits even beale got the taste of it from mapusua lol
Anonymous July 19, 2011 4:57 pm
tbh, aussies were scared to touch the ball with all the big hits even beale got the taste of it from mapusua lol
r120 July 20, 2011 8:09 am
Not that big an upset - if Samoa had the same international set up as the big unions, and were able to get their players together on a regular basis they would be a handfull for anyone
r120 July 20, 2011 8:09 am
Not that big an upset - if Samoa had the same international set up as the big unions, and were able to get their players together on a regular basis they would be a handfull for anyone
Anonymous July 20, 2011 11:56 am
^^^^ I agree if their set up was the same but it isnt.....
So how could this possibly not be a big upset....
Samoa a team which is spread around the world manages to beat a more "localised" team after finishing a European season, and the pacific cup...
I mean, if this was SA against Oz we wouldnt be too surprised if either team beat the other (relatively anyway..i'd expect SA to be on top) because they are both well funded, well trained etc etc... but Samoa is not, Samoa are borderline minnow team.... i.e if samoa were stuck in the tri nations they would be the italy of the competition. after a thrashing the captains of the winning team would say "yeh well you have to hand it to them they gave us a tough run and we didnt come here expecting to win" (the same old 'we just destroyed you' spiel...)
so to actually beat the wallabies is a great achievement, but to beat them by scoring 32 points is even more impressive!
So how could this possibly not be a big upset....
Samoa a team which is spread around the world manages to beat a more "localised" team after finishing a European season, and the pacific cup...
I mean, if this was SA against Oz we wouldnt be too surprised if either team beat the other (relatively anyway..i'd expect SA to be on top) because they are both well funded, well trained etc etc... but Samoa is not, Samoa are borderline minnow team.... i.e if samoa were stuck in the tri nations they would be the italy of the competition. after a thrashing the captains of the winning team would say "yeh well you have to hand it to them they gave us a tough run and we didnt come here expecting to win" (the same old 'we just destroyed you' spiel...)
so to actually beat the wallabies is a great achievement, but to beat them by scoring 32 points is even more impressive!
Anonymous July 20, 2011 11:56 am
^^^^ I agree if their set up was the same but it isnt.....
So how could this possibly not be a big upset....
Samoa a team which is spread around the world manages to beat a more "localised" team after finishing a European season, and the pacific cup...
I mean, if this was SA against Oz we wouldnt be too surprised if either team beat the other (relatively anyway..i'd expect SA to be on top) because they are both well funded, well trained etc etc... but Samoa is not, Samoa are borderline minnow team.... i.e if samoa were stuck in the tri nations they would be the italy of the competition. after a thrashing the captains of the winning team would say "yeh well you have to hand it to them they gave us a tough run and we didnt come here expecting to win" (the same old 'we just destroyed you' spiel...)
so to actually beat the wallabies is a great achievement, but to beat them by scoring 32 points is even more impressive!
So how could this possibly not be a big upset....
Samoa a team which is spread around the world manages to beat a more "localised" team after finishing a European season, and the pacific cup...
I mean, if this was SA against Oz we wouldnt be too surprised if either team beat the other (relatively anyway..i'd expect SA to be on top) because they are both well funded, well trained etc etc... but Samoa is not, Samoa are borderline minnow team.... i.e if samoa were stuck in the tri nations they would be the italy of the competition. after a thrashing the captains of the winning team would say "yeh well you have to hand it to them they gave us a tough run and we didnt come here expecting to win" (the same old 'we just destroyed you' spiel...)
so to actually beat the wallabies is a great achievement, but to beat them by scoring 32 points is even more impressive!
Anonymous July 20, 2011 12:38 pm
Samoa have a much better set of players than Italy. And SA finished last in the 3-nations last year, behind Australia.
The point is they finally had their full team available, and it's the first time in four years.
They only ever get all their players for the WC (even then they don't usually get them all), and they always compete well at that time.
If they could get their best players all the time they'd regularly beat top teams.
The point is they finally had their full team available, and it's the first time in four years.
They only ever get all their players for the WC (even then they don't usually get them all), and they always compete well at that time.
If they could get their best players all the time they'd regularly beat top teams.
Anonymous July 20, 2011 12:38 pm
Samoa have a much better set of players than Italy. And SA finished last in the 3-nations last year, behind Australia.
The point is they finally had their full team available, and it's the first time in four years.
They only ever get all their players for the WC (even then they don't usually get them all), and they always compete well at that time.
If they could get their best players all the time they'd regularly beat top teams.
The point is they finally had their full team available, and it's the first time in four years.
They only ever get all their players for the WC (even then they don't usually get them all), and they always compete well at that time.
If they could get their best players all the time they'd regularly beat top teams.
Anonymous July 20, 2011 3:53 pm
^ yes that i understand but to say that it wasnt that much of an upset is ridiculous!
Anonymous July 20, 2011 3:53 pm
^ yes that i understand but to say that it wasnt that much of an upset is ridiculous!
JG July 21, 2011 11:43 am
I was working when the game was on, was annoyed that I was going to miss it. I was hoping that Samoa would play well and give Aus a run for their money, needless to say when I found out that Samoa had won, I could hardly believe it. It took another couple of hours before highlights became availble on the news.
I will definately be following Samoa during the world cup, have also decided to back Georgia for their games - may sound stupid but I have been reading about the growth of their game over the last few years, and wanted another team apart from the AB's to support.
I will definately be following Samoa during the world cup, have also decided to back Georgia for their games - may sound stupid but I have been reading about the growth of their game over the last few years, and wanted another team apart from the AB's to support.
JG July 21, 2011 11:43 am
I was working when the game was on, was annoyed that I was going to miss it. I was hoping that Samoa would play well and give Aus a run for their money, needless to say when I found out that Samoa had won, I could hardly believe it. It took another couple of hours before highlights became availble on the news.
I will definately be following Samoa during the world cup, have also decided to back Georgia for their games - may sound stupid but I have been reading about the growth of their game over the last few years, and wanted another team apart from the AB's to support.
I will definately be following Samoa during the world cup, have also decided to back Georgia for their games - may sound stupid but I have been reading about the growth of their game over the last few years, and wanted another team apart from the AB's to support.
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