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Sunday, July 31, 2011

The All Blacks give South Africa a hiding in Wellington

The All Blacks give South Africa a hiding in Wellington

South Africa suffered their second heavy Tri Nations defeat in as many weeks as they went down 40-7 to a far stronger and more clinical All Blacks side in Wellington on Saturday.

The All Blacks sported their new retro looking jersey, bringing back the famous white collar that's been missing for over ten years. It's a throwback to the 1987 Rugby World Cup success, the last time they won the tournament. With the 2011 version starting in a few months time, they're looking in good shape to replicate that success.

They were far more clinical than against Fiji, with Dan Carter commanding the ship. He missed a few kicks uncharacteristically, but looked back to his best, reinforcing the common perception that he's the best rugby player on the planet currently.

South Africa on the other hand picked up their game slightly, but still looked out of sorts with the new caps and inexperience showing. The 21 or so first line players sitting at home are sorely missed, and will no doubt make a big difference to the side when they rejoin.

Coach Peter De Villiers has said that the main focus is the World Cup, shifting the weight of expectation and the favourites tag onto the home side.

"Pretty much the Tri-Nations has gone for us. We'll move our focus to preparing for the World Cup. The All Blacks are more ready now for the World Cup and they deserve the tag of favourites to win it," he said.

They will head home and prepare for their meeting with the Wallabies in Durban in two weeks time, while the All Blacks will face them next weekend. The form of some of their players will give them great confidence, with wingers Zac Guildford and Cory Jane in particular scoring great tries.

"When I got through I backed myself that I was going to get into that corner and was happy to get there. I guess I went back to the old CJ of using the ball and I ran with it," he said.

"There's a lot of guys trying to go into that wing spot so it is important that every time I get an opportunity on my wing that we do nail it," he said.

Time: 04:03

Posted at 9:50 am | 77 comments

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Sean July 31, 2011 12:25 pm

Embarrassing.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 12:25 pm

Poor South africa... first

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 12:47 pm

NZ are very cocky wearing that jersey before the world cup (unless I'm mistaken thats the same style jersey they wore when they last lifted the cup)....do they think they already have it in the bag???? I think so. The boks will be completley different side come the w/c, they are riddled with injurys in their squad and are clearly using this try nations as a warm up excersie.

I hope the Aussies put NZ in their place---- from an England Fan.

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SpencaH July 31, 2011 12:49 pm

First FAIL retard.

And yes, think De Villiers has had a shocker, can't get rid of him quick enough it feels! Not easy watching as a bok fan and they will be taking so much pressure back home to the other 21 guys waiting in the ranks for the last 2 games before the WC, and with 2 less games then the other SH boys that are getting better with each game!

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DW July 31, 2011 12:54 pm

Cory Jane went the wrong way! Towards the posts boyo not away at the last minute! Maybe Carter needs to practice the tougher kicks...

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DW July 31, 2011 12:56 pm

*on his first try that is

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Harriieee July 31, 2011 12:57 pm

2:34 - McCaw straight in from the side.

Cory Jane is all class. Surprising he didn't make much of a stir in Super Rugby this season with wheels like that.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:03 pm

i don't know if this is weird, but they all look like they were playing on rugby 08 or something. Maybe it's just me computer screen but they just look plastic and deliberate...

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Gav July 31, 2011 1:05 pm

Hard to say to what extent the ABs were great and the Boks were poor. Some great running from the AB backs. Amazing that John Smit had never scored before the ABs though, a top player with so many games against them.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:16 pm

3:12 'A finishing masterclass by a young springbok side'

pretty sure he meant All Blacks side kehe

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Stuart July 31, 2011 1:18 pm

gav - he's scored 6 trieds from south africa. think the RWC is between wallabies and all blacks, but as a welsh man i hate to say england will prob end up getting to the final knowing their history

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WelshOsprey July 31, 2011 1:21 pm

Why the hell did south africa put out such a poor team?

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:22 pm

I heard the collars have been made extra wide to prevent the choking that has plagued them for the last twenty years.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:24 pm

First

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:40 pm

haha where the hell was McCaw rucking from shortly before the first try?

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How dare they! July 31, 2011 1:44 pm

Its a disgrace the white collar. They're copying the England team i tell ya!

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:48 pm

Lick bum please

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 1:50 pm

Wow, people from england really have chips on their shoulders when it comes to NZ. Pathetic.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 2:07 pm

MACAW = Cheat.

SMIT = past it.

Ireland = ones to watch this World cup.

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Knstler July 31, 2011 2:12 pm

Comments are not going better these days on Rugbydump...

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 2:28 pm

I'd like to be the first to say:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

40-7 thats fucking hilarious!

But on a serious note, how does every NZ fan and all the governing bodies seem to miss McCaw ALL THE TIME?

The guy is great and a master at being a cock in the ruck, but honestly, its like playing a game on the playstation with the ref settings at "does not notice anything"....

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 2:39 pm

"I heard the collars have been made extra wide to prevent the choking that has plagued them for the last twenty years."

FUCKING LOL!!!!

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 2:47 pm

was that smit getting put back on his ass by weedy little cowen at the 15th second, just at the ruck b4 the 1st try..haha

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goodness July 31, 2011 2:50 pm

But on a serious note, how does every NZ fan and all the governing bodies seem to miss McCaw ALL THE TIME?

Even the commentators pointed it out.

I'm not a bokke fan - and they played so awful in defense that they thoroughly deserved the score (seriously, how many missed tackles again? how many wide open channels?) At least the points for NZ came from them playing unstoppable running rugby. That's at least entertaining to see (too bad we didn't get to see a great SBW-Nonu combination fully click).
And to be fair, you could see SA were definitely not trying to lose...looking at their faces compared to the faces of the all blacks, the boys in green looked like they were playing twice as much rugby as the kiwis.

But NZ are systematically incapable of following the laws at rucktime. It was so bad - where players immediately went off their feet as soon as they arrived to a ruck - that it was actually a surprise every time they did it right.

What was disappointing is that Rolland mentioned it to both captains (because the Springboks were doing it to - just not to the same extent), but failed to follow through.

But then, I guess some things never change.

Next week ought to be a cracker of a match!

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Shou July 31, 2011 4:05 pm

For Guilford's first try McCaw actually clears out a ruck from the Springbok side (around 00:15 into the video). As if coming in the side wasn't enough. The All Blacks are so good at the moment and the way SA are playing the result was a bit inevitable, but still, it is hard to declare a team worthy winners of any game when the rules are so flagrantly and systematically broken.

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gf July 31, 2011 4:19 pm

Love seeing Smit getting boshed by Cowan and then over drifting on a 4-2 defensive overlap.. idiot.

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ryan July 31, 2011 4:32 pm

^Weird how dumb some people can be on the internet. Even steadfast anti-bok fans recognize Smit as a class act and a great role model for the sport.

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39moredays July 31, 2011 5:18 pm

As a rugby fan its not good to see the Boks get thrashed; they have an awful lot of work to do if they want to be in contention come world cup time...

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miguel July 31, 2011 6:55 pm

@ryan

smit may be a class act and a role model ( I would agree with that sentiment) but that means nothing when it comes to his playing ability.
He was terrible for the first 25 minutes and while he may have picked things up a bit it was just embarassing. It seemd that nearly every mistake or penalty smit was involved somehow. Look at his counterpart where hore was present at what seemd to be every breakdown and had an incredible game. Smit picked up his game a bit after his try but it never came together.

Just look at his face any time the ref brings him and mccaw to talk. If you didnt know the context and just saw a picture you would assume that smit cared and had been working 4x as hard as McCaw, but what we all know is that he (and the other springboks) were out of their element.

A few different calls here and there, a few better options one less dropped ball here and there, these are the things that often lose a test match. But it wasnt the case here. If all those things had gone right for the boks then it would have gone from a thrashing to a good beating. And the truth of the matter in this test smit was at the center of many of those moments.

And the sad truth about the missing 21- Last season the boks had nearly all their first choice players, had momentum from the super 14, had what seemed to be a game winning plan and still suffered 3 big defeats and never really regained their footing. Coming into the tri nations they have none of those things, so its reasonable to say the boks have given up on this tournament, but what will they have in their world cup campaign? They need a serious amount of luck or it will be 2003 all over again.

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Anarchangel July 31, 2011 6:57 pm

Anon: 3:12 'A finishing masterclass by a young springbok side'

pretty sure he meant All Blacks side kehe


Probably because he actually said 'A finishing masterclass FOR a young springbok side'.


Harriieee: Cory Jane is all class. Surprising he didn't make much of a stir in Super Rugby this season with wheels like that.

The Hurricanes, collectively and individually, had a shocking season in Super Rugby this year. Jane needed to play like a god to even get in the picture.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 8:33 pm

I love the fact how all the banter about the white collar is predominantly coming from English fans, calling it copying and making foolhardy comments of chocking - Answer me this: Whay have you all of a sudden decided to wear black rather than blue for your away kit, seems like even the English dream of wearing the worlds most recognisable rugby jersey. Food For thought.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 8:46 pm

What colour is the away NZ jersey? White! That's so disrespectful to English rugby heritage.

Get over it

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CoughMedicine July 31, 2011 9:03 pm

The All Blacks always remind me of 'The Tortoise and the Hare'... Come WC time they'll have peaked and will start choking.

I mean, the WC is pretty much always there for NZ to lose, and they always consistently do lose it.

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dontbejealous July 31, 2011 9:14 pm

you'll find that the AB's away jersey's are grey you fucktard. so the English rugby heritage can get bent.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 9:38 pm

A lot of green eyed monsters on this site. Cheat this, and chocking that. Get over yourselves and enjoy the show. The all blacks play exciting running rugby, something you'd think the Toffs up north would lap up considering the complete lack of it from their part of the world.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 9:43 pm

I must say, this is quite a light shade of grey... almost verging on white.

http://www.allblackshop.com/the-jersey/all-blacks-replica-away-jersey.html

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 10:51 pm

You must say?

No you're just a cock.

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Anonymous July 31, 2011 10:59 pm

It didnt use to be grey....
Honestly though, as an English fan Im pretty sure the only comment made by an english fan was a "the collar is white" which was a most probably a joke....

twits...

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 12:50 am

What a disgrace! PDV needs to go ASAP!!!!!!

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 12:53 am

I cant believe the hatred on this website for the all blacks. Most entertaining team in the world imo.

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 2:53 am

^^^^ Yeh I love watching McCaw butchering breakdowns... I'd actually rather see a herd of 500 pigs be slaughtered with a spoon than see that tool cheating in another breakdown!

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 3:03 am

By the way for the guy complaining that Mccaw wasn't on the right side of the ruck before Guilford scored, he was the tackler, he released then he's allowed to enter the ruck from wherever.
Learn the fucking rules idiots.

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goodness August 01, 2011 3:42 am

^I agree - McCaw is considered one of the best of all time, because he backs up the hype by almost always being a great player.

He made a couple of great steals this game the way he often does: by being the first tackler and snatching up the ball (which reminds me, where has Brussow been for SA? For a while, I thought he was supposed to be the Boks' version of McCaw and Pocock?).

That wasn't my beef with NZ's persistent tactics at the breakdown. It's the immediate going off of the feet, often onto the turf on the other side of the ruck, preventing a fair contest. The thing about rucks is that at nearly every single one, players are taken to the ground. The laws say you must immediately remove yourself from the area once no longer on your feet, but that's pretty much impossible to do with all that's going on. So unless it's an extremely obvious attempt at cynical slowing down of the ball, refs tend to give the benefit of the doubt and let play continue. The kiwis are great at exploiting that and coming up with the ball.

Same for offensive rucks. Players push others from behind so as to shove them over the ball and onto the floor in order to create a barrier around the ruck.

It's not like that's why the All Blacks won the match, or why they win most matches. They're number 1 in the world (and have been for what seems like forever) for a good reason: because they play damned good rugby. They make skill look so easy it's ridiculous. NZ running rugby is more often than not the best around.

But it doesn't mean it's not frustrating to see the way they handle the breakdown.

Referees no being so caught up on penalizing for rucking players away with the boot wouldn't solve everything, but at least players would think twice about falling onto the ground on the wrong side and preventing a fair contest.

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Juggernauter August 01, 2011 3:49 am

The last try was bloody beautiful... no All Black was touched with ball in hand!

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Taips August 01, 2011 4:35 am

^ Agreed. Bloody Deadly!

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N August 01, 2011 4:42 am

goodness, there's some fair points there. The all Blacks do pusht he boundries at ruck time.
But the truth is EVERY single team does that to varying degrees.
In fact I personally regard England as the most blatant ruck offenders. They often go off their feet, sheild the ball with their bodies, play the ball while on the ground, don't release or roll away as the tackler etc.

But again, it's not just NZ or England, but every top team that pushes the boudnries at ruck time.

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goodness August 01, 2011 5:14 am

That's an interesting point, N.

I must admit, I haven't really noticed it as much with England, but I think that's just because I tend to get more swept up in those games (hoping the other team will stick it to the Lily Whites), and also England had been far from a dominant force for the past couple seasons (plus I imagine a commentator like Brian Moore wouldn't be too quick to bring it up, either).

But I'll definitely have to watch them more closely from now on; you're probably right.

And yeah, you're right that every team has its own way of playing the laws to their advantage.

I think it might bother me when NZ do it because they're already such a formidable side, that when something like unfair rucks keep the other side from contesting the breakdown fairly, it sort of cheapens the game in a way.

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N August 01, 2011 5:25 am

Different teams have different ways of doing it.
The thing with NZ is they are very good at doing it and not getting caught.
In particular their counter rucking is excellent. Because they get so many men over the ball so quickly, and they swarm around the ruck, it becomes hard for the ref to see what's going on. It happens so quickly, that the ref just sees a bunch of all blacks dominating the ruck, most of whom stay on their feet, and doesn'tnotice the one or two players either offisde or off their feet.

England on the other hand are particulalry good at laying on the ball or ball carrier. They also frequently don't release the tackled player, the tackler oftne immediatly leaps to his feet without releasing and plays the ball. They usually do this when they've got other players joining the ruck. It makes it seem less obvious when you've got two or three guys rucking legally and only one playing the ball illegally.

But again, it's certainly not just these two teams who do it. All teams get away with stuff at the ruck.

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 5:31 am

The reason new zealand get away with it more often than not, is because they are usually outnumbering the opposition at the ruck 2 or 3 to 1. Quite often in this game they would have 4 or 5 with only one south african to stop them. When your there in those numbers with such little resistance your bound to fall off your feet.

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moddeur August 01, 2011 8:08 am

NZ, a fast and powerful side! And Carter definitely has the moves!
I'm not a great fan however of McCaw, who makes it a habit of rucking from the opposition's side (and often gets away with it). He reminds me of Dallaglio in his glory days. A talented cheat, basically.
SA should be a completely different team at the WC, they did the same thing in 2007, rested their players for the Tri-Nations, and then at the WC blasted the competition away (France taking care of NZ, which they won't be doing this time around). Australia to lift the crown, methinks.

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moddeur August 01, 2011 8:19 am

@ some anonymous person at 5.03am
You should be the one learning the rules before insulting people: rucking from the side is illegal, regardless of where you were a few instants before.
excerpt from IRB rule 16.5.C:
"If a player joins the ruck from the opponents side, or in front of the hindmost team-mate, the player is offside"

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 9:08 am

Benski - says (cannot be arsed to sign on)

3/10 for SA
7/10 Ab's
SA lack phyiscality in all areas. SA does not have the deepth they keep bragging about.
AB's maybe it was the lack of opposition but they were rusty and din't have the killer instinict you expect from the AB's. I really question the last play of the game - kick through - really REALLY?

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Alexander August 01, 2011 10:53 am

The hatred on this site is such a wonderful indictment of our species, something to be proud of.......wait...

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 10:59 am

N you're correct to say EVERY team has some naughtyness at the breakdown, the difference is EVERY team APART from the AB's gets penalised....

Im not being funny but can we all please try and agree on the fact that whilst McCaw is a world class flanker and we'd all want him on our team, we are all still shocked how he is never sent off?!?!?!?

I mean honestly the guy gets about 4-6 warnings from a referee most matches.... now generally, 1 offence is a penalty, 2nd offence is a warning, 3rd offence is a card.... so how does he get more?

Oh and all this talk about choking coming from England? I don't think so mate, im an aussie supporter through and through, and i cant still recognise the AB's have choked for the last 20 years at wc's!

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 12:36 pm

AB, probably the best team in the world, most definitely the worst supporters in the world, empty seats again, at least it wasnt as empty as NZ super 15 games

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Anarchangel August 01, 2011 3:47 pm

^^ You know there a lot fewer of us down here, right? Filling the caketin requires 10% of the entire population of the greater Wellington area. That's like a crowd of 450,000 in Sydney or 780,000 in London.


As for the perennial "McCaw is a cheat" complaint. Most of the rules in any game are put in place to prevent one side gaining an unfair advantage, so in those cases, the entire point of the game is to gain as much advantage as possible by pushing up against those rules as much as possible. Every team is trying to do it. Every well-coached team, anyway. So quelle surprise that the No. 1 team in world rugby is very good at pushing up against those boundaries.

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 6:10 pm

Anarchangel the most infuriating thing about AB fans is exactly what you said, all you read is "mccaw cheating" and then you have a little fit about it.,,

If you ACTUALLY read the words i wrote you would see I am well aware of the fact that ALL teams push boundaries, stick hands in rucks and generally "cheat" but you didnt read that, so you basically behaved just as every other NZ fan does and remained completely blind to what i wrote.

oh and just for a bit of information, i actually said McCaw would be the first choice flanker in any team!

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dave August 01, 2011 6:59 pm

^well put

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Anonymous August 01, 2011 8:17 pm

odds on SA going out in the group stages?

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 12:51 am

Smit is not a class act and role model for our sport, he's a complaining bitch who finds the need to question EVERY refs decision. I remember him questioning the decision to send burger off for eye-gouging, I know it's a captains job to chat with the ref but trying to defend behaviour like that is a joke!

Smit, your past it mate (despite your soft try).

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 12:53 am

Yes our fans are crap, i went to a few super 15 games at eden park this year and everyone just sits there, no atmosphere whatsoever. I'll just stick to watching rugby from my lounge now.

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 12:56 am

How are NZ cocky for paying tribute to the 87 cup winners? I seriously look forward to watching England get destroyed at the cup.

I found it funny watching the EOYT AB's vs England, watching Hosea Gear run through and around Chris Ashton 4 or 5 times (oh how easy it is to forget you filthy poms!).

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Nicko August 02, 2011 1:16 am

Pat Lambie is not affraid to tackle the big boys, SA have a lot of talent to look forward to in the future.

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Anarchangel August 02, 2011 1:18 am

Anonymous, the arrows in my first paragraph were specifically referring to the single comment above my last, about crowd size, thus that's what my first paragraph addressed.

The rest of my post was about the general sentiments elsewhere in the thread (and in every other thread in which the ABs win a game). In fact, the same sentiments which you yourself (assuming you are the same "Anonymous" as posted _both_ comments directly above my last post) seem to be reacting against when you say "...can we all please try and agree on the fact that whilst McCaw is a world class flanker..."

On a related note, why do you post as "Anonymous"? If you select "Name/URL" and make up a pseudonym, you'll still be effectively anonymous, but we'll be able to tell which arguments are yours. Since you seem to have actual points rather than being a troll like most posters who select "Anonymous", it would be quite useful for engaging in debate and dialogue.

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Anarchangel August 02, 2011 1:20 am

Oh, and if you think my comment was "having a fit"... um... welcome to the internet, it gets a lot worse! :D

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 3:55 am

It's Embarrassing SA are part of the tri-nations, I hope they get kicked out and a decent rugby nation takes their place. Maybe Samoa or Argentina, either would be welcomed.

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 4:02 am

^Cool story, bro.

Argentina are in the 4N next year already.

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Flinto August 02, 2011 5:30 am

South Africa have won the Tri Nations more times than Australia, so stick that in your didgeridoo and smoke it!

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 6:04 am

On the All Blacks website, it says Ma'a Nonu has played 57 tests when in fact he has played 58 tests. Also, it says Cory Jane has played 23 tests when in fact he has played 24 tests. Please update this immediately.

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 6:44 am

Man, i love watching the all blacks play.

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Anonymous August 02, 2011 11:10 am

why do so many people not know that if you are the tackler you can get to your feet and steel the ball from any side as long as a ruck has not been formed.

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moddeur August 02, 2011 3:55 pm

Regardless of whether McCaw is the tackler and can try to grab the ball from wherever he stands (right after getting back on his feet), once a ruck has formed he is offside.

I guess the man's just capable of telepathy, of aiming persuasive brainwaves at the referee, saying: "but I was already there, I didn't JOIN the ruck, so I can't really be offside, no?"

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RememberTheMer August 03, 2011 2:00 pm

moddeur

There was no ruck

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Reid August 03, 2011 8:15 pm

@RememberTheMer

I agree. Tackle was made, he was the first man there to start the ruck. Plus, he came in between the lower body and neck, so isn't that the gate?

As much as people comment on how other candidates are better for the wing spot than Guilford, I think he sits perfectly. Good pace, and very unselfish. NZ are gonna make some shockwaves in the world cup

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Anonymous August 03, 2011 8:41 pm

There's only one chance - a very long shot - for SA to still take this RWC, and that's if they go in as complete underdogs that no one gives a chance in hell of winning. This is probably the only factor that may still work to get them through a semi against NZ - despite the worst coaching team in Springbok history. So keep the negative comments rolling...

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Anonymous August 03, 2011 11:09 pm

Thank you Rememberthe Mer.
Finally someone who knows the rules.

The ruck was never formed, Mccaw got up as the tackler, having released the tackled player and played the ball.

All legal.

At no point was a ruck formed as indicated by the ref not saying "ruck formed".

What Mccaw did was completely legal.

People need to learn the rules.

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RememberTheMer August 04, 2011 2:49 am

Just to ads.

While everyone bleats about McCaw, nobody notices that the AB's chief ball pilferer on Sat was Andrew Hore.

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