Monday, August 29, 2011
Manu Tuilagi tackles David Wallace out of the Rugby World Cup
Having lost their last few internationals and now dropped to eighth in the official IRB World Rankings, Ireland are also having to deal with injury woes, the latest of which is to stalwart David Wallace, who will be missing the Rugby World Cup as a result.
Wallace was hit hard by young England center Manu Tuilagi on Saturday, causing knee ligament damage that has means his World Cup dream was over in an instant. He has since had surgery, and put on a brave face as he tweeted on Sunday, 'Thanks to all for the uplifting msg's. Had op this morning so its all improvement here on. Lets get behind the team '.
Ireland have already lost Felix Jones to injury, which gave fullback Geordan Murphy the chance to join the squad. Coach Declan Kidney was very upset with the news.
"You have to deal with these things. Hes 35 and Ive never seen a man as physically fit as he is right now. Its heartbreaking for him and his family. Its extremely disappointing for us but will be good news for someone else. Thats the cut-throat nature of sport," said Kidney.
Shane Jennings has been named as his replacement.
Tuilagi, who tackled Wallace into touch, causing the flanker to twist his knee under the force, had a great match for England, scoring a try and looking solid on defence, along with center partner Mike Tindall, who later commented, "It's great playing next to him. If you're in any doubt just give him the ball!"
"He's a physical specimen who can create anything from nothing,"added Tindall.
Murphy, who plays with Manu at Leicester Tigers, said he'll be a serious threat at the RWC.
"Manu's going to have a massive impact at the World Cup. He'll be a force on the internationals stage for some time to come. He's an attacking threat and defensively his game has come on immeasurably. He's so strong. He's got to be in the England team."
He added that he's a great guy off the field, and everyone gets along with him.
"He's very grounded, I don't think that will change, and he will just get better and better. He's the youngest of a rugby playing family and they will all help keep his feet on the ground."
If you fancy leaving a comment wishing Wallace all the best in his recovery, please go ahead.
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Anonymous August 29, 2011 3:47 pm
Irish fan here. Big fan of Tuilagi. It's really unfortunate about Wallace, but the tackle wasn't that bad. I would have tried to smash my opponent if as well if I had that angle on him.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 3:53 pm
nothing in that, just a good hard tackle that happened to injure a player, and that is coming from a die hard ireland supporter.
i think manu is what england have needed for a while and he will be a success in NZ
i think manu is what england have needed for a while and he will be a success in NZ
Maverick August 29, 2011 3:54 pm
Nothing wrong with the tackle. Just unfortunate. That's sport I guess though.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:01 pm
A few inches higher and it was wallace's head that was getting the hit. Quite lucky in that regard and so is Tuilagi. The hit(not a tackle) could have ended Tuilagi's world cup as well but he's young.
I hate ppl who write August 29, 2011 4:03 pm
one could argue there was a lack of arms in there, but maybe that's just an impression given that Wallace bounced off him. I don't think Tuilagi's a dirty player, despite his scuffle with Ashton.
As for France, well I would hope you're right given that I'm an Irish supporter, but didn't see any evidence to support your "flop" theory in this match.
Let's hope Ireland can pick themselves up for the RWC.
Best of Luck on your recovery for what it's worth David, incredibly bad timing!
As for France, well I would hope you're right given that I'm an Irish supporter, but didn't see any evidence to support your "flop" theory in this match.
Let's hope Ireland can pick themselves up for the RWC.
Best of Luck on your recovery for what it's worth David, incredibly bad timing!
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:06 pm
"A few inches higher and it was wallace's head that was getting the hit. Quite lucky in that regard and so is Tuilagi. The hit(not a tackle) could have ended Tuilagi's world cup as well but he's young."
He didn't tackle him any higher so why are you even talking about that?
He didn't tackle him any higher so why are you even talking about that?
I hate ppl who write August 29, 2011 4:07 pm
^^sorry, take that back about the arms, had seen it in real time and wrote without have watched the clip.
Joey August 29, 2011 4:08 pm
A few inches higher and it was wallace's head that was getting the hit. Quite lucky in that regard and so is Tuilagi. The hit(not a tackle) could have ended Tuilagi's world cup as well but he's young.
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That's a silly comment. Loads of big tackles are made like that all the time and no-one bats an eyelid.
The tackle was perfectly legal, and Tuilagi's discipline, apart from the obvious incident, is almost always top notch. He rarely makes high, late or 'no-arm' tackles.
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That's a silly comment. Loads of big tackles are made like that all the time and no-one bats an eyelid.
The tackle was perfectly legal, and Tuilagi's discipline, apart from the obvious incident, is almost always top notch. He rarely makes high, late or 'no-arm' tackles.
Kamilla August 29, 2011 4:12 pm
David, hope you're feeling better soon! You're the best & you'll be back before you know it.
Prayers & well wishes!
Prayers & well wishes!
themull August 29, 2011 4:13 pm
Such a shame to see him go...One of Ireland;s best players ever and really started off the game well...Will be a huge loss for the team..
Get better soon!
Get better soon!
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:17 pm
World class flanker, very unlucky. Hope he gets well soon
Madflyhalf August 29, 2011 4:17 pm
Best openside flanker in NH until 2009.
Real a shame he's gonna miss RWC.
Best wishes and a ASAP on the field again!
go wally!
Real a shame he's gonna miss RWC.
Best wishes and a ASAP on the field again!
go wally!
Reality August 29, 2011 4:19 pm
Devastated to see him go like that, especially considering that his only previous world cup was a disaster, and this would have been his last one. He's 35 years old and playing like a spring chicken. He's a huge loss for Ireland and Munster.
The tackle was fine though. I don't know what Barnes is on about. He just landed awkwardly.
The tackle was fine though. I don't know what Barnes is on about. He just landed awkwardly.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:26 pm
Barnes really is an idiot. He has the slow motion replays and everything. How can he say anything bad about that tackle. I really don't like his commentating. Sometimes it's as if he just makes an opinion without actually watching what happened.
-Irish fan
-Irish fan
medicaluke August 29, 2011 4:27 pm
I feel sorry for Wallace. Tuilagi hit him hard and it was one of those freak accidents that occasionally happen. Sad for Wallace :-(
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:29 pm
@RD - any chance you can delete any comments of 'first' made by these infantile clowns masquerading as posters on a rugby site??
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:36 pm
stuart barnes is a idiot and easily the worst commentator to grace the rugby world
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:37 pm
Absolutely nothing wrong with that tackle. Pommy commentator is full of sh*t and bias!
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:51 pm
Just a good honest hit from Tuilangi, just a cruel piece of fate. One of Ireland's all time great back rowers, up there with Slattery and Duggan, and a gentleman to boot.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:57 pm
Are you going to post the highlights of the game?
Anonymous August 29, 2011 4:58 pm
Get well soon David, your loss in the World Cup is felt more than this loss to England.
ElTigre August 29, 2011 5:10 pm
Weak knees, a man that frail doesn't deserve a world cup place.
Putain August 29, 2011 5:15 pm
Whats with these calls of "marginlly high" or "a few inches higher and it would've been his head" being spouted off?
Oh that's right, it's because Tuilagi's Samoan and anytime a big hit goes in from an island player, legalities and the like need to be questions - all makes sense now.
F*cking, one-eyed, stereotyping b*stards. Seriously, pull your heads in you twats!
Oh that's right, it's because Tuilagi's Samoan and anytime a big hit goes in from an island player, legalities and the like need to be questions - all makes sense now.
F*cking, one-eyed, stereotyping b*stards. Seriously, pull your heads in you twats!
Sam August 29, 2011 5:27 pm
Just ignore those "a few inches higher" comments...
A few feet higher and he would have missed wallace altogether... see another pointless comment...
Anyway, it was heart wrenching stuff to see. I know we all play the sport and some have been unfortunate enough to have suffered bad injuries but I think we can all agree seeing the pain wallace was going through there was not a pleasant moment!
I'm not an irish fan but I can fully appreciate that the colour of the shirt makes no difference when a player is in that much pain, no one likes to see it. and the fact its put him out of the world cup is very sad for the guy who is clearly one of the best irish players!
Best Wishes to David Wallace!
A few feet higher and he would have missed wallace altogether... see another pointless comment...
Anyway, it was heart wrenching stuff to see. I know we all play the sport and some have been unfortunate enough to have suffered bad injuries but I think we can all agree seeing the pain wallace was going through there was not a pleasant moment!
I'm not an irish fan but I can fully appreciate that the colour of the shirt makes no difference when a player is in that much pain, no one likes to see it. and the fact its put him out of the world cup is very sad for the guy who is clearly one of the best irish players!
Best Wishes to David Wallace!
AZZA August 29, 2011 5:27 pm
Manu Tuilagi is just such a physical player, I fear for the other England players who have to train against him.
Michael August 29, 2011 5:46 pm
Real shame, particularly as mathematically with his age this was his last chance at a world cup. But never the less it won't damage his image, he'll be remembered as a fantastically consistent genuinely world class player. The only golden lining is that it didn't come from a moment of foul play, just a collision between two monsters.
CoughMedicine August 29, 2011 5:46 pm
Honestly, it's hard not to think of Stuart Barnes as a closet-racist with the way he goes on after every brown person puts in a legal tackle.
Either that or he's got some mechanical failures up stairs. I don't know how a commentator can be so consistently wrong and moronic.
What on earth is wrong with the bloke?
Either that or he's got some mechanical failures up stairs. I don't know how a commentator can be so consistently wrong and moronic.
What on earth is wrong with the bloke?
Anonymous August 29, 2011 5:53 pm
The only positive i took from that game was that i didn't get rained on. Gutted for Wallace. Been a hero for us for the last decade. Nothing wrong with tackle. And while i didn't here Stuart Barne's comment, he will always remain a muppet in my opinion!
Guy August 29, 2011 5:54 pm
Horribly unlucky. Hope he get's well soon.
Good tackle though.
Although, a few feet lower and he would have broken his own nose...(I thought I should join in with a pointless comment)
Good tackle though.
Although, a few feet lower and he would have broken his own nose...(I thought I should join in with a pointless comment)
Anonymous August 29, 2011 5:57 pm
does anyone still feel they can support england when what would now appear to be one of our best players is very far from being english?
Guy August 29, 2011 6:06 pm
to anon above:
Good let's start that argument again
The official England Rugby miscellany 2007: 'on six seperate occasions Enland have lined up with no fewer than six non-English born players in the team. Five of these games were in 1921 and 1922.'
This issue is almost a 100 years old. Let's stop talking about it, muhhkayy?!
Good let's start that argument again
The official England Rugby miscellany 2007: 'on six seperate occasions Enland have lined up with no fewer than six non-English born players in the team. Five of these games were in 1921 and 1922.'
This issue is almost a 100 years old. Let's stop talking about it, muhhkayy?!
dontlookdown August 29, 2011 6:07 pm
Stuart Barnes should be ashamed of some of the stuff he comes out with in commentary. He needs to step back and actually watch what happens before he puts his foot back in his mouth
bettingman August 29, 2011 6:10 pm
Tuilagi is overrated. All he is is a battering ram and thats it. He has poor hands, poor decision making, not that much gas and poor discipline too. I have no idea why that idiot Cockerill raves about him, he was made to look good for Leicester by poor opposition and a strong pack this year and that was it.
As an England fan its frustrating as he'll end up coming up against good opposition and he'll be destroyed pure and simple.
As an England fan its frustrating as he'll end up coming up against good opposition and he'll be destroyed pure and simple.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:17 pm
It wasn't the worst tackle I have ever seen in the world... In fact I thought it was a strong tackle, but in all honesty aren't we in a world where we have to wrap a player?!?
and I didn't see a "wrap" as such...
I personally don't see anything wrong with this tackle, but I'd say that sort of "bounce off, lack or wrap" thing makes it a "borderline" tackle according to the rules (or at least whatever I last understood them to be...)
Put it this way, this tackle about 5 years ago would have be cheered at... nowadays with the way the rules are we sit around and say "well was it 'technically' illegal"
Idk, I think its sad for Wallace and there is no anger or "you injured him" feelings towards manu... this sort of hit is fine in my eyes...
I just think barnes is a tool...
and I didn't see a "wrap" as such...
I personally don't see anything wrong with this tackle, but I'd say that sort of "bounce off, lack or wrap" thing makes it a "borderline" tackle according to the rules (or at least whatever I last understood them to be...)
Put it this way, this tackle about 5 years ago would have be cheered at... nowadays with the way the rules are we sit around and say "well was it 'technically' illegal"
Idk, I think its sad for Wallace and there is no anger or "you injured him" feelings towards manu... this sort of hit is fine in my eyes...
I just think barnes is a tool...
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:18 pm
Bettingman, all his performances suggest the opposite of what you say. Sorry buddy. He may be a battering ram, but he's a damn good one and he is more than just a battering ram anyway.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:19 pm
I thought the rules say that you need to make an attempt to wrap. He seemingly did that. That Wallace bounced off him in such a way isn't really his fault.
When you shoulder-charge someone you put your arms down by your side, not up like that. Looked like a text-book tackle to me. That's what I'd show kids and say "that's how you tackle"
When you shoulder-charge someone you put your arms down by your side, not up like that. Looked like a text-book tackle to me. That's what I'd show kids and say "that's how you tackle"
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:19 pm
I don't see how one Manu Tuilagi, can run the entire backline of England, or at least the centres... and when we see england centres get destroyed because of some prick like hape getting destroyed, you will no doubt blame tuilagi...
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:24 pm
I made the comment about how i wasn't sure if this was a "borderline tackle" (due to my interpretation, or misinterpretation of the rules)
Yeh actually, I think you are right about "attempting to wrap"
I listened again, and barnes said it was "marginally high"... I suppose maybe if he defined that a bit better it would do him some favours...
Now if I say I am marginally 6ft6inches tall....does that mean I am 6ft6.1inches tall?!? i.e over...
or does it mean I am 6ft5.9inches tall.... i.e. under...
I assume he means it was "high up the body" rather than a "high tackle"
I hate his commentary due to these sort of grey areas he leaves, but i dont think he was being insulting...
Unless ofcourse Manu was wearing a samoan shirt.. then we might have a different story...
Yeh actually, I think you are right about "attempting to wrap"
I listened again, and barnes said it was "marginally high"... I suppose maybe if he defined that a bit better it would do him some favours...
Now if I say I am marginally 6ft6inches tall....does that mean I am 6ft6.1inches tall?!? i.e over...
or does it mean I am 6ft5.9inches tall.... i.e. under...
I assume he means it was "high up the body" rather than a "high tackle"
I hate his commentary due to these sort of grey areas he leaves, but i dont think he was being insulting...
Unless ofcourse Manu was wearing a samoan shirt.. then we might have a different story...
Conor August 29, 2011 6:27 pm
Get well soon Wallace, you'll be sorely missed! Hopefully we see you back in Green someday soon
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:27 pm
Nothing wrong with that tackle. That's rugby. The cameraman, on the other hand, lurking around trying to capture Wallace's agony for broadcast, now that was a bit tasteless.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:35 pm
I'm a french fan of Wallace and it's hard to see him suffering. He had been a great Ireland player for many years. It makes me remember the Vincent Clerc's knee injury, during a common run. Sometimes "usual" forces can outdo body resistance in trained athletes. Tuilagi has a big impact but Wallace could see and feel him coming. Rugby is definitely dump.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:40 pm
Wally has been my favourite rugby player for years. This is a devastating blow for a man who has had so many set-backs in what could have been a truly amazing career. Was an unbelievable athlete and footballer as a young man but got inexplicably over-looked by club and country for years in a back-wards view of the role of "a traditional 7". In any other country set-up a man of his ability would have been appreciated to his full potential for his full career..insted Wallace effectively lost 4-5 of his best years through Irish coachings ignorance to what is truly important in the game of rugby.
Best wishes and hope he comes back for another great season with Munster and Ireland.
PS.There was nothing out of sorts with the tackle...just unfortunate at the way his knee buckled!Fair play to Tuilagi- he isnt a dirty player...just loses the head sometimes, not this time...will be a great player but should be with the Samoans not the English. Its unfortuante for him that he will never get to represent his true nation but i suppose he has more chance of success in England.
Best wishes and hope he comes back for another great season with Munster and Ireland.
PS.There was nothing out of sorts with the tackle...just unfortunate at the way his knee buckled!Fair play to Tuilagi- he isnt a dirty player...just loses the head sometimes, not this time...will be a great player but should be with the Samoans not the English. Its unfortuante for him that he will never get to represent his true nation but i suppose he has more chance of success in England.
MuthaFutha August 29, 2011 6:47 pm
Barnes is definately a closet-rascist make no bones about it.
Here he is again in this double tackle claiming it's only Sam Tuitupou doing the damage and then comparing it to the BOD incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgMY5Xr9cjw
Jeezus he is a painful commentator. Stuart Barnes you are so full of monkey sh*t it's not funny.
And fo you monkeys who want wrap tackles why werent these pulled up:
Chabal on Palisson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-H0qRj1Ek
Howlett vs Sale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbF2OyF6Jmo
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Here he is again in this double tackle claiming it's only Sam Tuitupou doing the damage and then comparing it to the BOD incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgMY5Xr9cjw
Jeezus he is a painful commentator. Stuart Barnes you are so full of monkey sh*t it's not funny.
And fo you monkeys who want wrap tackles why werent these pulled up:
Chabal on Palisson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-H0qRj1Ek
Howlett vs Sale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbF2OyF6Jmo
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Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:49 pm
Wishing you a speedy recovery David,
you'll be a big loss to our RWC campaign.
you'll be a big loss to our RWC campaign.
Matty August 29, 2011 6:53 pm
Weren't they trying to deport this guy?! How the hell can he play for England?
Lock4 August 29, 2011 6:58 pm
Get well soon. Know how you feel - my right ACL was ruptured in a collapsed scrum, two ops later still not right but you've got youth and fitness on your side - unlike me!! Not Irish but a rugby fan who understands the pain and frustration.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 6:59 pm
Left some big shoes to fill for Ireland best of luck to him and his quick recovery!
Reality August 29, 2011 7:16 pm
Actually I'm getting the impression that Tuilagi could be the next Lesley Vainikolo. He's a big strong lad and he has a good season and then gets rushed into an England jersey and then is exposed as a one-dimensional crap player. I'm not saying this will happen to Tuilagi, but I'm just saying that England players tend to be massively over-hyped and then can't live up to expectations.
Although Tuilagi looked very good, albeit against arguably the worst centre-pairing in top-flight international rugby.
And once again, my heart bleeds for Wallace. Really, the poor guy. He's one of rugby's greats.
Although Tuilagi looked very good, albeit against arguably the worst centre-pairing in top-flight international rugby.
And once again, my heart bleeds for Wallace. Really, the poor guy. He's one of rugby's greats.
qrazi August 29, 2011 7:20 pm
Injuries are always bad, but so close to WC is really hurting...
Best of luck and a good recovery to mr. Wallace!
Best of luck and a good recovery to mr. Wallace!
Oh Cruel Faith! August 29, 2011 7:43 pm
And to think, you could of taken Paddy Wallace oh rugby gods!
Best of luck Wally, hope it doesnt tar his form for what will be the last few years of his career.
Best of luck Wally, hope it doesnt tar his form for what will be the last few years of his career.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 7:49 pm
When was Vainikolo "exposed" as a one-dimensional player?
I'm sure the general consensus at the time was that Vainikolo went okay in an England side that didn't give him much ball.
Everyone knew what they were getting with Vainikolo. A ball-runner who'd draw in defenders, break tackles and create space. Nobody expected anything more than that. It was well established that Vainikolo had little in the way of a Rugby brain and was a one-dimensional strike winger.
It was a failure on behalf of the England team - Not Vainikolo - that saw him under-untilised and therefore under-perform... he didn't do much wrong himself as an individual.
Not that I'd have him in my team, but at the time he was deserving of the hype and did have the ability to smash through a couple of defenders.
In saying that, Tuilagi is a much better Rugby player and will have a fantastic career for England. Who gives a shit if he's a little rough round the edges, England needs strike players, young bulls who'll spark something from nothing.
I'm sure the general consensus at the time was that Vainikolo went okay in an England side that didn't give him much ball.
Everyone knew what they were getting with Vainikolo. A ball-runner who'd draw in defenders, break tackles and create space. Nobody expected anything more than that. It was well established that Vainikolo had little in the way of a Rugby brain and was a one-dimensional strike winger.
It was a failure on behalf of the England team - Not Vainikolo - that saw him under-untilised and therefore under-perform... he didn't do much wrong himself as an individual.
Not that I'd have him in my team, but at the time he was deserving of the hype and did have the ability to smash through a couple of defenders.
In saying that, Tuilagi is a much better Rugby player and will have a fantastic career for England. Who gives a shit if he's a little rough round the edges, England needs strike players, young bulls who'll spark something from nothing.
Mike August 29, 2011 8:25 pm
Irish fan here. The tackle didn't cause the injury - it was just bad luck. You get hit like that a thousand times and one time your weight will fall awkwardly on one of your joints once, perhaps causing an injury like this.
Wallace is one of the NH's great players, and has been for a long time. He is also one of three brothers that represented the B&I Lions - one a prop, one a winger and one a backrow. Amazing family record.
Good luck to Tuilagi at the WC, and I hope we get another year or two of the great David Wallace at Munster.
Wallace is one of the NH's great players, and has been for a long time. He is also one of three brothers that represented the B&I Lions - one a prop, one a winger and one a backrow. Amazing family record.
Good luck to Tuilagi at the WC, and I hope we get another year or two of the great David Wallace at Munster.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 9:08 pm
I am a French rugby fan, I just feel so disapointed by the injury of David Wallace, who has been to me the best example of complete back row. A great tackler, with amazing stength ball in hand and very clever on the field. I hope his career is not over... Have a good recovery David, and soon you'll get your revenge for that hit from Tuilagi
kaibishin August 29, 2011 9:34 pm
Manu Tuilagi is an awesome player. I can't wait to see what he will be like in the world up!
Lets hope David Wallace makes a quick recovery!
Lets hope David Wallace makes a quick recovery!
Anonymous August 29, 2011 9:54 pm
Pause at 1:49. You see his knee twist on impact with Tuilagi's hit.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 9:56 pm
Where are all the english fans that used to whinge that islanders were always poached by NZ and OZ?
Rob August 29, 2011 10:00 pm
Barnes becoming my least favourite commentator. "Marginally high"? If he'd slipped up and glanced the head, yes. He hit his upper arm. Fair hit. No need to stir up supporters of both sides, just call it as WE ALL can see it!
That, and continual criticism of referees (with the aid of height, angles and replays, I might add) get on my nerves. I wish there was a way you could just get the sound that those in person would hear. :/
That, and continual criticism of referees (with the aid of height, angles and replays, I might add) get on my nerves. I wish there was a way you could just get the sound that those in person would hear. :/
Anonymous August 29, 2011 10:07 pm
I think barnes should learn to correct himself...
If he had said, "it looks marginally high" then when it showed the side angle (where it was not high!) he should of said "actually that very physical, but it was perfectly legal" (instead he called it physical and ignored the "high" comment earlier)
Personally though i think we might be looking too deep into what barnes said in THIS game due to his previous record of being a tool...
If he had said, "it looks marginally high" then when it showed the side angle (where it was not high!) he should of said "actually that very physical, but it was perfectly legal" (instead he called it physical and ignored the "high" comment earlier)
Personally though i think we might be looking too deep into what barnes said in THIS game due to his previous record of being a tool...
Anonymous August 29, 2011 10:23 pm
Barnes is way off, no where near high, surely someone out there can do a better job at commentating!
Wallace is a class rugby player and an amazing athlete. Just turns up and gets the job done.
As for Tuilagi, he has proved himself at club level, will reserve my judgement until after a few games at international level. Actions speak louder than words
Wallace is a class rugby player and an amazing athlete. Just turns up and gets the job done.
As for Tuilagi, he has proved himself at club level, will reserve my judgement until after a few games at international level. Actions speak louder than words
Anonymous August 29, 2011 10:27 pm
Tuilagi nailed him .. Wally was inches from the touchline and pushing him out would have sufficed... in my opinion what he did was scummy and I hope that Karma catches up with him pre or during the world cup... he didnt need to nail Wally as hard as he did.. watch it again.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 10:50 pm
I guess thats rugby, a sport for men.
Tuilagi is a great player, but he hasn't been tested against real opponents, such as the All Blacks, Wallabies and Springboks, we'll see what he is made of come RWC.
Tuilagi is a great player, but he hasn't been tested against real opponents, such as the All Blacks, Wallabies and Springboks, we'll see what he is made of come RWC.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 10:56 pm
If everyone did the bare minimum during a match, watching rugby would be a very dull affair. Manu nailed Wallace to prove a point. Intimidation and physicality is all part of his game. If he'd lamely pushed him into touch, sure the effect would've been the same (sans injury) but Wallace may have pegged Manu as someone he could run all over (especially given that 30 seconds before he drove Manu back 30 yards.)
The injury was most unfortunate, but the hit was entirely legal and justifiable.
The injury was most unfortunate, but the hit was entirely legal and justifiable.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 11:00 pm
no he didn't have to nail him as hard as he did but in a game England wanted or should I say needed to win to boost moral, simply pushing the other team out when they are getting a head of steam is not enough.
You've got to stamp your authority. I would have hit him just as hard or harder given the chance.
You've got to stamp your authority. I would have hit him just as hard or harder given the chance.
Anonymous August 29, 2011 11:24 pm
Yeah, I'm sure Wallace has never done anything to a player he didn't absolutely need to!!
What a load of bloody pish. Manu was entitled to smash him. And I'm glad he did, very unfortunate for David and I hope he gets well, but that's Rugby. You can't not tackle someone because they might get injured.
Simply pushing people and making half-arsed tackles is how 90% of tries and linebreaks are made. You have to give 100%, even when you might not need to.
What a load of bloody pish. Manu was entitled to smash him. And I'm glad he did, very unfortunate for David and I hope he gets well, but that's Rugby. You can't not tackle someone because they might get injured.
Simply pushing people and making half-arsed tackles is how 90% of tries and linebreaks are made. You have to give 100%, even when you might not need to.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 12:14 am
"in my opinion what he did was scummy and I hope that Karma catches up with him pre or during the world cup... he didnt need to nail Wally as hard as he did.. watch it again."
You are a pansy and should stick to whatever it is that pansies do!! And for you to wish bad upon tuilagi shows that you are not only a pansy but a b*tch as well!
Why did Sean Obrien have to run through Skrela so hard?? Because that's how you own somebody!!
You are a pansy and should stick to whatever it is that pansies do!! And for you to wish bad upon tuilagi shows that you are not only a pansy but a b*tch as well!
Why did Sean Obrien have to run through Skrela so hard?? Because that's how you own somebody!!
10stonenumber10 August 30, 2011 1:08 am
Manu shut down an overlap with that hit. Chest to chest, it's how the big boys tackle, just Manu hit him like a f*cking steam train and Wallace landed awkward.
As for his disciplinary record, he hit Ashton because he had hands in his face first, big reaction, but exactly that, a reaction. Same with this hit, a red blooded reaction to being driven back a few plays previously. You don't need to be a pro or a die hard to know, anybody who has ever been within 10ft of a rugby ball in their life will understand it. We've all tried it, putting in the big hit, a game changer, he just does it a lot better.
Shame for Wallace, but thats rugby. Same thing happened time and time again to the wallaby wingers against Samoa, albeit with Tuilagi senior bringing the pain, Wallace was just extremely unlucky. Any other day after a hit like that he'd have jumped up, dusted himself off, put his spine and ribs back to where they are supposed to be, and get on with the game, but it was not to be.
As for his disciplinary record, he hit Ashton because he had hands in his face first, big reaction, but exactly that, a reaction. Same with this hit, a red blooded reaction to being driven back a few plays previously. You don't need to be a pro or a die hard to know, anybody who has ever been within 10ft of a rugby ball in their life will understand it. We've all tried it, putting in the big hit, a game changer, he just does it a lot better.
Shame for Wallace, but thats rugby. Same thing happened time and time again to the wallaby wingers against Samoa, albeit with Tuilagi senior bringing the pain, Wallace was just extremely unlucky. Any other day after a hit like that he'd have jumped up, dusted himself off, put his spine and ribs back to where they are supposed to be, and get on with the game, but it was not to be.
iSRAEL August 30, 2011 1:36 am
Very dissapointing to see wallace out of the world cup. He must be devastated. I just put him in the irish world cup squad on my rugby challenge game, dammit! Wish him a speedy recover.
Israel - NZ
Israel - NZ
Sam August 30, 2011 1:39 am
Guys... honestly it was a big hit... nothing else.. it wasn't illegal, it wasn't "mean" or "naughty"... it was a big hit...
EVERYONE HERE, who has EVER played, knows that they play for the "big hit" (or at least I do as a second row/back row)
I like carrying the ball, I like making breaks, I like scoring tries....
But I LOVE tackling hard. It doesn't happen every game, not the kind of tackles that you remember for a while, (im thinking the hougard lima tackle...) but when they do, you feel like you're going to have a month of wet dreams!
I remember hitting a number 8 right in the chest straight on as his feet JUST hit the ground, I cut him in half, he was on the ground until play stopped again, and the crowd "ooooo'd"
I'm not saying that is what this was, but it was a BIG tackle, and as a rugby player I think we all know this happens!
That being said it was nasty seeing Wallace in pain. No one likes to see that (at least not long term damage like that!)
Also why are people talking about manu's record?!?!? he is probably one of the cleanest players on the team.... the punch to ashton was after having a shove on the head AND a knee in the back (Watch the video again if you doubt me!!!)
EVERYONE HERE, who has EVER played, knows that they play for the "big hit" (or at least I do as a second row/back row)
I like carrying the ball, I like making breaks, I like scoring tries....
But I LOVE tackling hard. It doesn't happen every game, not the kind of tackles that you remember for a while, (im thinking the hougard lima tackle...) but when they do, you feel like you're going to have a month of wet dreams!
I remember hitting a number 8 right in the chest straight on as his feet JUST hit the ground, I cut him in half, he was on the ground until play stopped again, and the crowd "ooooo'd"
I'm not saying that is what this was, but it was a BIG tackle, and as a rugby player I think we all know this happens!
That being said it was nasty seeing Wallace in pain. No one likes to see that (at least not long term damage like that!)
Also why are people talking about manu's record?!?!? he is probably one of the cleanest players on the team.... the punch to ashton was after having a shove on the head AND a knee in the back (Watch the video again if you doubt me!!!)
red August 30, 2011 2:51 am
I was disappointed to see Ireland lose, since it seems nowadays they only ever really seem to play games well against England.
I wish there was something I could say about the hit to make myself feel better about seeing Wallace get destroyed like that. I wish I could say it was high, or late, or malicious...
...it wasn't. It was a fantastic hit. If I were an England fan, I would've been on my feet after seeing that.
Great hit, Tuilagi.
Now I just hope Wallace recovers as quickly as he can. Sad to see him miss NZ.
I wish there was something I could say about the hit to make myself feel better about seeing Wallace get destroyed like that. I wish I could say it was high, or late, or malicious...
...it wasn't. It was a fantastic hit. If I were an England fan, I would've been on my feet after seeing that.
Great hit, Tuilagi.
Now I just hope Wallace recovers as quickly as he can. Sad to see him miss NZ.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 3:16 am
Jesus, we must have some soccer fans on here.
Every tackle, yout ry to hit as hard as you can EVERY TACKLE. That's rugby. If you don't like it, go watch something else.
Every tackle, yout ry to hit as hard as you can EVERY TACKLE. That's rugby. If you don't like it, go watch something else.
Dave_7 August 30, 2011 4:42 am
Gutted for Wallace, such a great player.
I twisted my knee similarly, rupturing my ACL and MCL which means 6 to 8 months recovery after the surgery. He's a pro and has better facilities so i hope he'll come back sooner but i feel his pain! He was one of our best players on the 2009 Lions tour.
I wish him a speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him play again.
The hit was fine, 9 times out of 10 Wallace would've got straight back up but unfortunately injuries just happens sometimes. Good luck to the rest of the squad in RWC.
I twisted my knee similarly, rupturing my ACL and MCL which means 6 to 8 months recovery after the surgery. He's a pro and has better facilities so i hope he'll come back sooner but i feel his pain! He was one of our best players on the 2009 Lions tour.
I wish him a speedy recovery and look forward to seeing him play again.
The hit was fine, 9 times out of 10 Wallace would've got straight back up but unfortunately injuries just happens sometimes. Good luck to the rest of the squad in RWC.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 5:24 am
Great tackle. Textbook. Too bad about the injury, real shame to get knocked out of the World Cup like that, but that's rugby all the teams will have players who miss out due to injury.
Oh, and that commentator Barnes is the worst sommentator in rugby by far. I've watched games with irish, NZ, Australian, South African, Welsh and Scottish broadcasters, and none come anywhere near the level of bullshit, one eyed, ignorant, anti-islander commentary that Barnes craps on with.
Oh, and that commentator Barnes is the worst sommentator in rugby by far. I've watched games with irish, NZ, Australian, South African, Welsh and Scottish broadcasters, and none come anywhere near the level of bullshit, one eyed, ignorant, anti-islander commentary that Barnes craps on with.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 7:00 am
minute 1:40 the commentator is off his freaking rocker.. talking about a marginally high tackle from Manu.... freaking full of it man... that was nothing but physical rugby, nothing "marginally high" about that tackle... i get so pissed when commentators say crap like that... for real... that was nothing but great play...
unfortunate there was an injury from it for sure... best of luck with the recovery!
unfortunate there was an injury from it for sure... best of luck with the recovery!
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Anonymous August 30, 2011 7:46 am
Great solid hit by this stolen samoan player.
JK August 30, 2011 8:04 am
If you check out Stuart Barnes opinion column.....
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12062_7137018,00.html
Someone questions, at the bottom, his commentary on this incident. He claims the referee agreed with him and penalised Tuilagi afterwards.
What game is he watching??? There is clearly an arm out for advantage in the build up and they go back for that penalty after the incident......nothing like compounding a poor piece of work Stuart.
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12062_7137018,00.html
Someone questions, at the bottom, his commentary on this incident. He claims the referee agreed with him and penalised Tuilagi afterwards.
What game is he watching??? There is clearly an arm out for advantage in the build up and they go back for that penalty after the incident......nothing like compounding a poor piece of work Stuart.
Colombes August 30, 2011 8:41 am
nothin wrong with the tackle, just terribly infortunate for wallace.
Any player would have smashed an other in this configuration.
concerning tuilagui, he's a powerful player with great future, but still not world class. let see how he will behave durin a high pressure international match.
Vainikolo made huge first appearances with england and after...
Any player would have smashed an other in this configuration.
concerning tuilagui, he's a powerful player with great future, but still not world class. let see how he will behave durin a high pressure international match.
Vainikolo made huge first appearances with england and after...
Anonymous August 30, 2011 10:19 am
@ The muppet talking about how Tuilagi didn't have to hit him so hard, MAN UP! I play 7 and sure I don't have to hit Fly half's hard to tackle them but the big hits like this raise morale and confidence in your team and demoralises the other team every subsequent time they try to run at you. Intimidation tactics. THEY WORK! and are very effective when done like this in a very clean and legal way.
JackMan Hove August 30, 2011 11:08 am
manu is great i reckon hes one to look out for the World Cup 2011?
JackMan Hove August 30, 2011 11:09 am
Manu is immense power i reckon he'll be one to look out for in the World Cup ??
Anonymous August 30, 2011 11:24 am
It wasn't actually Tuilagi's tackle that did the damage it was Wallace's awkward landing.
Everyone is getting on like Tuilagi's the next Lomu. He tried a fancy dan tackle on Tommy Bowe as well and Bowe knocked him flat on his backside.
Everyone is getting on like Tuilagi's the next Lomu. He tried a fancy dan tackle on Tommy Bowe as well and Bowe knocked him flat on his backside.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 11:34 am
England fan here - terrible for any player to lose his World Cup dream at such a late stage, all the best for his recovery.
Darren August 30, 2011 11:56 am
WlTigre, you obviously know fuck al about rugby in general if you call Wallace frail. Is every rugby player that gets injured frail, lie down you muppet.
CoughMedicine August 30, 2011 12:03 pm
If you check out Stuart Barnes opinion column.....
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12062_7137018,00.html
Someone questions, at the bottom, his commentary on this incident. He claims the referee agreed with him and penalised Tuilagi afterwards.
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HAHAHAHA. STuart Barnes is objectively INSANE. I can't believe the guy. Even now he's implying the tackle wasn't legal. Does his arrogance have no limits?
http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12062_7137018,00.html
Someone questions, at the bottom, his commentary on this incident. He claims the referee agreed with him and penalised Tuilagi afterwards.
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HAHAHAHA. STuart Barnes is objectively INSANE. I can't believe the guy. Even now he's implying the tackle wasn't legal. Does his arrogance have no limits?
Anonymous August 30, 2011 12:17 pm
Good bye to my favorite player for the world cup. Hard to see him unable to get up.
In other hand, big hard tackle by Tuilagi. Legal, but with unlucky consecuences, from my point of view.
Hang on Wallace, I hope you have a good and fast recovery from a spanish rugby fan. Sorry about the lacks in grammar and spelling by the way.
In other hand, big hard tackle by Tuilagi. Legal, but with unlucky consecuences, from my point of view.
Hang on Wallace, I hope you have a good and fast recovery from a spanish rugby fan. Sorry about the lacks in grammar and spelling by the way.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 12:39 pm
Manu Tuilagi is a dirty dirty player i hate him.
YeahBuddy August 30, 2011 12:55 pm
Wallace is out for 6 months. Really hope this wont end his career! He's a great players, one of the world's best flankers.
Wishing him a fast recovery!
Wishing him a fast recovery!
Anonymous August 30, 2011 1:14 pm
It annoys me that tuilagis tackle is part of the conversation.
To be brutally honest, I don't think we'd be talking about it if Wallys leg hadn't buckled.
This was just one of those things, studs get pinned and the knee bends sideways. Its horrible and as a long time fan of Wallys I'm gutted for him.
To be brutally honest, I don't think we'd be talking about it if Wallys leg hadn't buckled.
This was just one of those things, studs get pinned and the knee bends sideways. Its horrible and as a long time fan of Wallys I'm gutted for him.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 2:16 pm
how is MT a dirty player? i played against him at school boys level and he destroyed several guys, infact nearly all of our team...single handedly, however he was thoroughly kind when helping you up after sitting you down.. having said that he certainly isn't 'english' but how many are in the english rugby squad, or cricket squad...
Anonymous August 30, 2011 2:31 pm
get better Wally, terrible break for a quality flanker.
still a shame to see england turning out non english players, im sure manu is a top lad but sends the wrong message to schoolboys dreaming of playing for the white and rose
still a shame to see england turning out non english players, im sure manu is a top lad but sends the wrong message to schoolboys dreaming of playing for the white and rose
Anonymous August 30, 2011 3:12 pm
I thought it was the landing that did it but jesus fucking cringe at the picture
Anonymous August 30, 2011 3:33 pm
I'm glad you showed Wallce first dragging Tuilagi and Tom Wood with him about 10 meters. Just shows what a ram- tank of a human being he is!
Get well soon!!
Get well soon!!
Anonymous August 30, 2011 3:58 pm
manu tuilagi WAS an english schoolboy dreaming of wearing the red rose. He's grown up in England, it's not like he was plucked from Samoa a year ago!
Anonymous August 30, 2011 4:09 pm
i hope stuart barnes reads this so he realises that the rugby world thinks his full of shit
Harriieee August 30, 2011 4:21 pm
Brilliant tackle, desperately unfortunate injury. All Wallace's 16.5 stone, plus all the force of Tuliagi's tackle, went sideways through his right knee. He's done his ACL and MCL, poor guy. If I were him, at 35, I'd be tempted to call it a day after an injury of that severity.
Oh, and Stuart Barnes is stupider than a bucket of hair.
Oh, and Stuart Barnes is stupider than a bucket of hair.
matt August 30, 2011 4:36 pm
manu tuilagi WAS an english schoolboy dreaming of wearing the red rose. He's grown up in England, it's not like he was plucked from Samoa a year ago!
Exactly. Just because he isn't a pasty and red-cheeked doesn't mean he isn't English.
Exactly. Just because he isn't a pasty and red-cheeked doesn't mean he isn't English.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 4:37 pm
"It wasn't actually Tuilagi's tackle that did the damage it was Wallace's awkward landing."
What??? unbelievable
then why did Wallace land awkwardly? Wallace will be missed big time <3 Get well soon brother
What??? unbelievable
then why did Wallace land awkwardly? Wallace will be missed big time <3 Get well soon brother
Anonymous August 30, 2011 4:57 pm
I love how all the english moaned at us about having islanders in our team even though a huge amount of their team are OUR rejects, and an islander.....
It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!
It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!
Unknown August 30, 2011 6:03 pm
This is the last thing we all want to see....best of luck David!!! be strong!!!!!
uh what? August 30, 2011 9:16 pm
" Anonymous said...
I love how all the english moaned at us about having islanders in our team even though a huge amount of their team are OUR rejects, and an islander.....
It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!"
Get some English lessons and then come back to us with whatever point you were trying to make. something about islander and not non new zealanders . . . . ?
I love how all the english moaned at us about having islanders in our team even though a huge amount of their team are OUR rejects, and an islander.....
It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!"
Get some English lessons and then come back to us with whatever point you were trying to make. something about islander and not non new zealanders . . . . ?
Anonymous August 30, 2011 9:59 pm
Actually what I said made perfect sense...
You guys moaned at us about having islanders...
Our team is mostly NZ'ers
Your team is OUR rejects...hape etc..
And an islander.... Manu Tuilagi...
You on the other hand seem to struggle with english:
"It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!"
even our team NOT IS mostly new zealanders?!?!?! wtf does that mean?!
You guys moaned at us about having islanders...
Our team is mostly NZ'ers
Your team is OUR rejects...hape etc..
And an islander.... Manu Tuilagi...
You on the other hand seem to struggle with english:
"It's hilarious, even our team not is mostly new zealanders! your teams is mostly foreign!"
even our team NOT IS mostly new zealanders?!?!?! wtf does that mean?!
cb500 August 30, 2011 10:01 pm
...albeit against arguably the worst centre-pairing in top-flight international rugby.
Please, don't underestimate our Kidney's ability to mismanage the selection for centers.
He could always put in both Paddy Wallace and D'Arcy. Or maybe he could stick Mike Ross in there at 12 and O'Gara at 13. That way, no one out wide will see the ball in offense, and there'll be an extra gap in the defense.
...sometimes you've got to hit rock bottom before you start turning things around. I guess that's what Kidney is going for.
Maybe the Eagles can actually win one over on Ireland. That'd be fantastic.
Please, don't underestimate our Kidney's ability to mismanage the selection for centers.
He could always put in both Paddy Wallace and D'Arcy. Or maybe he could stick Mike Ross in there at 12 and O'Gara at 13. That way, no one out wide will see the ball in offense, and there'll be an extra gap in the defense.
...sometimes you've got to hit rock bottom before you start turning things around. I guess that's what Kidney is going for.
Maybe the Eagles can actually win one over on Ireland. That'd be fantastic.
ilexvunibola August 30, 2011 10:02 pm
Manu not yet tested? wat planet you from ,,,and to the fag that said manu no need to tackle that hard. You must not played rugby before or if you did you just some made it to 3rd division or just some fag as well. That's wat England needs right now some flair that just can spark things up.not a England fan but this manu guy his going to do some damage comes rwc...But for David hope he recovers soon .best regards to both England and Ireland in the RWC!
cb500 August 30, 2011 10:05 pm
Anonymous just above my last post - I assume you're claiming to be the same guy as 6:57pm?
You still seem to have a tenuous grasp on orthography in general, but you at least clarified what you were going for originally.
...regarding your question, wtf does that mean?!, hopefully you could clear that up, since you were the one that originally wrote that strange sentence.
You still seem to have a tenuous grasp on orthography in general, but you at least clarified what you were going for originally.
...regarding your question, wtf does that mean?!, hopefully you could clear that up, since you were the one that originally wrote that strange sentence.
Anonymous August 30, 2011 11:02 pm
oh yeh, i fucked up... my bad...
It was supposed to say something like "our team is MOSTLY New zealanders"
as opposed to the english team, which is mostly a mish mash of other countries... perhaps a sort of "worst barbarians" team or something...
It was supposed to say something like "our team is MOSTLY New zealanders"
as opposed to the english team, which is mostly a mish mash of other countries... perhaps a sort of "worst barbarians" team or something...
a rant of sorts August 30, 2011 11:53 pm
well thanks for clarifying what you were saying before. I get ya now.
Personally I like the fact we have MT on our team as I feel he counts as an English schooled rugby player.
As for some of the others flutey for example, I'm glad he was left behind as you're right he's neither English born or English raised so it's hard to justify him on the squad.
However, I would like to bring up a point previously mentioned from another thread.
A proportion of England and the UK consist of foreigners and Immigrants wanting to live in our conutry/ies benefiting from what they offer. Is it wrong if we give them British citizenship and not utilize their talents in return?
Now I'm not suggesting we allow people into the country just for this purpose but if they're here already and want to live as an English (or British) citizen than it's only fair they play for the country if they want to.
TLDR; Good t have MT on the team, glad flutey isn't though if someone wants to be an English citizen than let 'em play
Personally I like the fact we have MT on our team as I feel he counts as an English schooled rugby player.
As for some of the others flutey for example, I'm glad he was left behind as you're right he's neither English born or English raised so it's hard to justify him on the squad.
However, I would like to bring up a point previously mentioned from another thread.
A proportion of England and the UK consist of foreigners and Immigrants wanting to live in our conutry/ies benefiting from what they offer. Is it wrong if we give them British citizenship and not utilize their talents in return?
Now I'm not suggesting we allow people into the country just for this purpose but if they're here already and want to live as an English (or British) citizen than it's only fair they play for the country if they want to.
TLDR; Good t have MT on the team, glad flutey isn't though if someone wants to be an English citizen than let 'em play
Anonymous August 31, 2011 12:09 am
I'd rather flutey was on the english team over Hape... Hape sucks donkey balls...more than flutey anyway...
ilexvunibola August 31, 2011 12:54 am
i'd like to comment to the anonymous guy bragging about islanders playing for the country they choice to play for ,,,you call them rejects I think you should take that back bro! This island boys are no rejects i'm a die hard pacific islander and I also have family members opt for the country they reside now so what we still love them and fully support their decision and still cheer them on when they play.They are no rejects ,,,you full of shit!
Anonymous August 31, 2011 1:28 am
Hey bum knuckle, I never said the islanders were rejects, I said England has rejected NZ players...
Hape... etc...
Learn to read!
Hape... etc...
Learn to read!
foxymon August 31, 2011 3:12 am
Firstly I think the lack of arms was illegal in this tackle, he does it all the time. I don't see manu being one of the greats mainly because he just ain't that bright and a one trick pony. When england face Aus or NZ Manu will be found out, by the simplest of moves breaching his defence because he is always looking for the big hit. Manu is very like his native country when it comes to Rugby big, aggressive, greedy and not much up stairs.
please find an interview with him on youtube and then tell me he is going to be one of the world best- by the looks of things he is still not 100% about the rules of the game. Boxing might be more his sport.
please find an interview with him on youtube and then tell me he is going to be one of the world best- by the looks of things he is still not 100% about the rules of the game. Boxing might be more his sport.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 3:24 am
You're borderline racist pal.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about either.
There's NOTHING ilegal about the tackle.
Learn the fucking laws, learn how to play the game.
Fucking fans like you are the worst thing about rugby since it went proffesional.
Soft, ignorant and racist.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about either.
There's NOTHING ilegal about the tackle.
Learn the fucking laws, learn how to play the game.
Fucking fans like you are the worst thing about rugby since it went proffesional.
Soft, ignorant and racist.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 3:39 am
^^^ Dude, shut the fuck up. Stop bringing racism here!
People are entitled to their opinion. I personally find this tackle to be fine, but it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that islanders (in general) are a little "more physical" and a little "less legal" when it comes to a lot of tackles they perform!
No need to mention that with this tackle though, as it was perfectly legit....
People are entitled to their opinion. I personally find this tackle to be fine, but it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that islanders (in general) are a little "more physical" and a little "less legal" when it comes to a lot of tackles they perform!
No need to mention that with this tackle though, as it was perfectly legit....
auckblues22 August 31, 2011 3:47 am
Why are people suggesting that Tuilagi is a 'foreign reject' and England are a team of barbarians? Flutey has gone through the NZ system but he has been in England for quite some time, other players like Hape have not even been involved in the NZ union system and Manu has been here since he was a child. Lets not forget that the coach picking this current crop of 'foreign rejects' was asked to play for NZ but turned it down to play for England. Fact is that nationality and citizenship are no longer rigid concepts, the world is diverse and to deny someone like Manu the right or criticize his decision to play for England is pure racism. If the majority of people on this page had ever played anything above u12 schoolboy rugby they would realise it is a career for these guys and they want to do achieve as much as they can, if that means playing for a certain country then fine. Seems odd that England's 'whoever is best and qualifies' policy, which seems a liberal and modern viewpoint comes in for criticism when South Africa have to impose quotas on their team due to race issues
foxymon August 31, 2011 4:52 am
As for my PAL, thinking I made some racist slur and telling me I don't know the rules. I believe the rule to be leading with the shoulder is illegal even if you make a soft attempt with the arms after, granted this wasn't Manu's worst offense. if players like Manu or Sonny Bill like to lead with there shoulder I think they belong in league it will be more up to there speed.My point being I think he is there to make money and hurt as many people as possible and does not give a crap about the game or the players around him-smells like a league player to me. Rugby is a game of skill and IRB keep changing the rules so it doesn't turn into a bunch monstrous men aimlessly going at it like league.No racism just making a point that he's no O'Driscoll or Smith when it comes to center play. Fact.
foxymon August 31, 2011 6:21 am
What? No retort form mister anonymous after he outrages claims. Maybe he is still typing I best give him a minute let him catch up.Since i noticed that you are not so bright yourself,retort means to reply.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 7:15 am
That was a monstrous tackle!!! I don't think I've ever seen someone bust their knee like that from an jolting impact into chest, quite unbelievable and clearly Manu is one freak of a player....... very sad though for Wallace one game away from the WC.
And for those who think it was illegal, it wasn't..... either you're very naive or haven't played rugby to a serious standard before. All throughout a game players are trying and hoping to put in tackles like that however only an explosive and talented player like MT can pull them off regularly and with such force.
And the best way to tackle someone is with the shoulder especially with the gain line becoming so critical in modern rugby. I've only ever smashed someone in the tackle with good technique and using my shoulder, however I've never seen this done by just using the arms apart from swinging arm tackles which are more dangerous to the person being tackled and which can also cause the tackler to break a forearm. This whole 'attempting to wrap the arms' is to prevent rugby league style shoulder charges which I've often seen accidentally causing contact to the head by the shoulder or very dangerous head clashes.......... I think the IRB and refs have got a bit confused as to what should and should not be permitted and this has also started to confuse slightly inexperienced rugby fans.
my two cents:
+ dump tackles ok
- spear tackles banned
+ front on shoulder tackles ok
- side on shoulder charges banned
btw good tacklers prefer to use some arms in the tackle to secure the opponent otherwise they may bounce you off.
And for those who think it was illegal, it wasn't..... either you're very naive or haven't played rugby to a serious standard before. All throughout a game players are trying and hoping to put in tackles like that however only an explosive and talented player like MT can pull them off regularly and with such force.
And the best way to tackle someone is with the shoulder especially with the gain line becoming so critical in modern rugby. I've only ever smashed someone in the tackle with good technique and using my shoulder, however I've never seen this done by just using the arms apart from swinging arm tackles which are more dangerous to the person being tackled and which can also cause the tackler to break a forearm. This whole 'attempting to wrap the arms' is to prevent rugby league style shoulder charges which I've often seen accidentally causing contact to the head by the shoulder or very dangerous head clashes.......... I think the IRB and refs have got a bit confused as to what should and should not be permitted and this has also started to confuse slightly inexperienced rugby fans.
my two cents:
+ dump tackles ok
- spear tackles banned
+ front on shoulder tackles ok
- side on shoulder charges banned
btw good tacklers prefer to use some arms in the tackle to secure the opponent otherwise they may bounce you off.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 7:35 am
"^^^ Dude, shut the fuck up. Stop bringing racism here!
People are entitled to their opinion. I personally find this tackle to be fine, but it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that islanders (in general) are a little "more physical" and a little "less legal" when it comes to a lot of tackles they perform!
No need to mention that with this tackle though, as it was perfectly legit...."
Bullsit.
he said : "Manu is very like his native country when it comes to Rugby big, aggressive, greedy and not much up stairs."
So manu is like Samoa? Which means he's big, greedy and stupid?
And that's not racist? Fuck off. Of course it is.
And as for this racist, learn the rules.
The law about ackling states simply :
A player must make an attmept to grasp the opposition player at some point during the tackle.
i.e. get your arms involved.
It was introduced to stop people tucking their arms up across their body and running in sideways to hit withe point of their shoulder, like a league style hit.
And I garuntee you have never played the game, because every single rugby player gets taught to lead with the point of the shoulder, then throw the arms around. It's how you tackle. Any other type of tackle WILL NOT WORK against anyone who can run hard. Which you would know, if you knew a thing about rugby.
People are entitled to their opinion. I personally find this tackle to be fine, but it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to know that islanders (in general) are a little "more physical" and a little "less legal" when it comes to a lot of tackles they perform!
No need to mention that with this tackle though, as it was perfectly legit...."
Bullsit.
he said : "Manu is very like his native country when it comes to Rugby big, aggressive, greedy and not much up stairs."
So manu is like Samoa? Which means he's big, greedy and stupid?
And that's not racist? Fuck off. Of course it is.
And as for this racist, learn the rules.
The law about ackling states simply :
A player must make an attmept to grasp the opposition player at some point during the tackle.
i.e. get your arms involved.
It was introduced to stop people tucking their arms up across their body and running in sideways to hit withe point of their shoulder, like a league style hit.
And I garuntee you have never played the game, because every single rugby player gets taught to lead with the point of the shoulder, then throw the arms around. It's how you tackle. Any other type of tackle WILL NOT WORK against anyone who can run hard. Which you would know, if you knew a thing about rugby.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 7:36 am
"if players like Manu or Sonny Bill like to lead with there shoulder I think they belong in league it will be more up to there speed."
Every single player leads with their shoulder.
Do yourself a favour. Go learn how to play rugby. Then come back and we'll talk.
Every single player leads with their shoulder.
Do yourself a favour. Go learn how to play rugby. Then come back and we'll talk.
Von August 31, 2011 8:40 am
^^^ Quite correct.
I may be missing something, but surely all tackles (apart from ones where you're chasing someone and "coming from behind") are made with the shoulder hitting the oppo first. It's how you tackle isn't it? Sure, you then try to wrap your arms round him, but clearly the tackle "leads with the shoulder".
The only other type I can think of is where some bastard side-steps you and you desperately lunge sideways and try to grip the fucker with one arm round the torso. Roughly 50% of the times I've had to try that one I've ended up with a numb shoulder for the next ten minutes from where the bloke's momentum has forced my arm back more than it's generally happy to stretch.
I may be missing something, but surely all tackles (apart from ones where you're chasing someone and "coming from behind") are made with the shoulder hitting the oppo first. It's how you tackle isn't it? Sure, you then try to wrap your arms round him, but clearly the tackle "leads with the shoulder".
The only other type I can think of is where some bastard side-steps you and you desperately lunge sideways and try to grip the fucker with one arm round the torso. Roughly 50% of the times I've had to try that one I've ended up with a numb shoulder for the next ten minutes from where the bloke's momentum has forced my arm back more than it's generally happy to stretch.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 8:47 am
Foxymoron
By your logic white people are greedy, ignorant, cowards, and a bunch of racists?? Oh and they all like to molest their children too!!
Yea I would say your fit the stereotype with what you wrote.
By your logic white people are greedy, ignorant, cowards, and a bunch of racists?? Oh and they all like to molest their children too!!
Yea I would say your fit the stereotype with what you wrote.
foxymon August 31, 2011 9:18 am
jesus your all very hormonal! could I really care eh no ,either way the guy is a moron. there is a very fine line when it comes to the tackle area we all know that but samoan teams take the piss out of this rule and now as a result a very good players career will probably end. I'm sure wallace was not the first and wont be the last.As for the race issue-i'm of mixed race and I dont see your issues,when you don't play for your own nation because they don't pay well enough that I call greedy.Samoa dont play an intelligant brand of rugby-this is a fact the whole world knows this and they are big and aggressive,yet another fact. To me and a few my colleges we think this priceless- thanks for a good laugh lads.You never know samoa could win the world cup with that kind of fighting spirit!!!!!
Tom August 31, 2011 9:54 am
You're an idiot, and you do not know a thing about tackling.
Have you ever played? Oh wait, of course you haven't because you aren't making any sense.
Just shut up man.
Have you ever played? Oh wait, of course you haven't because you aren't making any sense.
Just shut up man.
Talent scout August 31, 2011 11:01 am
Foxyman, I have a feeling I'm wasting my time, but let me give it a shot anyway.
Wallace was unlucky, when you sprint you effectively drive your leg into the ground to gain speed, if you are unlucky enough to have someone throw around 90kg forcfully into you then you are very likely going to do some damage, that's what happened here. Wallace is a big hitter himself and would no doubt appreciate that this is a cruel part of the game.
Talking about islanders style of play, use of arms, leading with shoulders etc. is really just a waste of time. It's international rugby, you hit as hard as you can and as often as you can. Tuilagi is not a dirty player, nor was there anything to moan about here if you have any idea about the game.
Of course having an idea about rugby and finding the time to come on here and throw in your 2cents, don't seem to be connected in anyway.
Wallace was unlucky, when you sprint you effectively drive your leg into the ground to gain speed, if you are unlucky enough to have someone throw around 90kg forcfully into you then you are very likely going to do some damage, that's what happened here. Wallace is a big hitter himself and would no doubt appreciate that this is a cruel part of the game.
Talking about islanders style of play, use of arms, leading with shoulders etc. is really just a waste of time. It's international rugby, you hit as hard as you can and as often as you can. Tuilagi is not a dirty player, nor was there anything to moan about here if you have any idea about the game.
Of course having an idea about rugby and finding the time to come on here and throw in your 2cents, don't seem to be connected in anyway.
Talent scout August 31, 2011 11:03 am
^^*any way....sorry, it's seems that bad syntax is contagious :)
kaibishin August 31, 2011 11:26 am
^^^
Good points there. But you may be wasting your time as foxy-whatever sounds like an immodest loudmouth who will probs keep posting shit lol
Good points there. But you may be wasting your time as foxy-whatever sounds like an immodest loudmouth who will probs keep posting shit lol
Anonymous August 31, 2011 11:57 am
Nothing wrong with the tackle. Wally you are a true legend of Irish rugby, get well soon! I felt sick watchin the incident - I was at the game. Well done England on the win, we were clueless all day.
foxymon August 31, 2011 12:06 pm
you all need to take life a little less serious its Rugby and I was just seeing how far I could push you.I agree with most of what scout man has to say regarding tackle area just wish it was a bit clearer in the rules.I did play serious rugby granted 18 years ago and to be honest it was very different then especially in my country.I just hope the game will remain somewhat the same and not conform to bigger commercial contact sports such as NFL where they celebrate a mindless hits as much as a piece of brilliance in a touch down. Entertainment is one thing but sheer brutality is another.I suppose the need to win when it comes to professional level is much more as is the pressure so maybe I am old fashioned-akward! Good luck samoa in world cup I hope they can keep up the momentum from the Aussie game in which they briliant sorry to anyone I caused offense to.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 12:37 pm
I think people totally mis-interpret the "leading with the shoulder" part of things...
I think there are those people who think that leading with the shoulder means
a)"your shoulder hits first"
b)"you keep your arms tucked in"
effectively what they are trying to ban is rugby league sort of tackles... basically putting as much of your body behind your shoulder and keeping your arms in tight and just hitting the other player...
If you watch this tackle, its clear that Manu's SHOULDER hits first... that is the only way tooo tackle, its what you do with your arms that is the key, watch his arms, they are forward in an "attempt" to wrap...
Basically a penalty would be given for b) and not for a)...
I think there are those people who think that leading with the shoulder means
a)"your shoulder hits first"
b)"you keep your arms tucked in"
effectively what they are trying to ban is rugby league sort of tackles... basically putting as much of your body behind your shoulder and keeping your arms in tight and just hitting the other player...
If you watch this tackle, its clear that Manu's SHOULDER hits first... that is the only way tooo tackle, its what you do with your arms that is the key, watch his arms, they are forward in an "attempt" to wrap...
Basically a penalty would be given for b) and not for a)...
Anonymous August 31, 2011 1:52 pm
So not only don't you know what youre talking about, you kept gibbering on because you wanted to see how much you could annoy people with your racist bullshit?
And if you played 18 years ago that must mean you are what? At least in your thirties?
Pathetic.
And if you played 18 years ago that must mean you are what? At least in your thirties?
Pathetic.
Anonymous August 31, 2011 2:08 pm
I believe the rule to be leading with the shoulder is illegal even if you make a soft attempt with the arms after
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I believe you should look at the rule book again. Leading with the shoulder is legal, you halfwit.
How else would you go into a tackle if not with the shoulder?
Go play soccer or something
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I believe you should look at the rule book again. Leading with the shoulder is legal, you halfwit.
How else would you go into a tackle if not with the shoulder?
Go play soccer or something
marcher87 August 31, 2011 2:53 pm
a legend of the game, one of the best ball carriers I've ever seen, we will miss you in NZ big man!
Anonymous August 31, 2011 3:52 pm
Can't people be a bit more constructive?!?!
I mean, surely if someone comes on here and says "isn't this illegal, aren't you supposed to blah blah blah"
Shouldn't you come back and say "according to the rule blah blah, it says blah blah blah" etc....
Instead of turning around calling people idiots etc...
Not everyone is 100% hot on the rules. I have played rugby for over 10 years and I don't fully know the rules, certain decisions leave me thinking "what?!?!?"
Just try and be civil and helpful to people...
I mean, surely if someone comes on here and says "isn't this illegal, aren't you supposed to blah blah blah"
Shouldn't you come back and say "according to the rule blah blah, it says blah blah blah" etc....
Instead of turning around calling people idiots etc...
Not everyone is 100% hot on the rules. I have played rugby for over 10 years and I don't fully know the rules, certain decisions leave me thinking "what?!?!?"
Just try and be civil and helpful to people...
ilexvunibola August 31, 2011 8:18 pm
Ok again to this full of shit anonymous guy commented about guys that left NZ soil for overseas now playing their rugby , now playing test level overseas wats your problem with that .Should I name names of all the polynesians that all started their rugby career in the islands and went thru Samoa, Tonga, Fiji rugby union system some what wore the green n gold or the all blacks jumpers for some years. We're not even school boys kiwi systems , wat ?kiwi's dont have players or they just dont have faith in their own!Stop bragging ! Not even 50% of all the players in NZ are NZ mostly imports ! You full of shit!
talent scout August 31, 2011 8:33 pm
^^^could someone translate please? I got lost somewhere in the middle
Anonymous August 31, 2011 9:13 pm
Im with talent scout on this one... I have no idea what that guy was on about towards the end...
I guess "blind with rage" might have come into it...
I guess "blind with rage" might have come into it...
ilexvunibola September 01, 2011 12:07 am
@ talent scout i was commenting back to the bum head making comments about why England had to pick nonEnglish natives to play for their adopted beloved country wats the guys problem. He even stated that mostly players in new zealand are home grown , wrong not even half that are classed top level are straight school boys and went thru their kiwi system most of whom came straight from the islands and countined on in new zealand and australia . But he seem to have a problem with Hape even Manu , Flutey they have all made that great decision to play in England! Im not an english fan but love to see rugby players just get to play their game thats entertaining to watch
foxymon September 01, 2011 1:31 am
"So not only don't you know what youre talking about, you kept gibbering on because you wanted to see how much you could annoy people with your racist bullshit?
And if you played 18 years ago that must mean you are what? At least in your thirties?
Pathetic."
I was going to leave it but this prat just wont let it go.As I said before nothing I said was racist (more fact based) and I am of mixed race.you are very touchy is that because you are 200kg and not able to get out bed and your only friends are your lap top and your fish and chips. I am in my thirties and so is the rest of my office who didn't know there was an age limit on this but all thought you were brilliant, "as bright as they come" one person even said. thanks for proving a point that you fit perfectly into a stereo type.cheers bud.
And if you played 18 years ago that must mean you are what? At least in your thirties?
Pathetic."
I was going to leave it but this prat just wont let it go.As I said before nothing I said was racist (more fact based) and I am of mixed race.you are very touchy is that because you are 200kg and not able to get out bed and your only friends are your lap top and your fish and chips. I am in my thirties and so is the rest of my office who didn't know there was an age limit on this but all thought you were brilliant, "as bright as they come" one person even said. thanks for proving a point that you fit perfectly into a stereo type.cheers bud.
Anonymous September 01, 2011 1:38 am
Yeah it's a fact that Samoans are big, dumb and greedy.
You fucking retard.
You fucking retard.
foxymn September 01, 2011 3:10 am
yeah good one again, if you had brains you'd be dangerous!
Anonymous September 01, 2011 9:29 am
Fox
You're in your thirties and still have ignorant views?? Then you admit to purposely stir things up for a reaction?? Yea you truly are pathetic!! What's a matter daddy spent too much time "playing" with little sister and didn't show you enough "love?" Hahaha poor neglected child taking his anger out on rugbydump!! It's okay it's not your fault you're a loser!!
Your opinions are not fact-based you baffoon!! Facts are the truth and because there are no actual statistics or papers published to support your racist statements they are therefore NOT fact!!
You're in your thirties and still have ignorant views?? Then you admit to purposely stir things up for a reaction?? Yea you truly are pathetic!! What's a matter daddy spent too much time "playing" with little sister and didn't show you enough "love?" Hahaha poor neglected child taking his anger out on rugbydump!! It's okay it's not your fault you're a loser!!
Your opinions are not fact-based you baffoon!! Facts are the truth and because there are no actual statistics or papers published to support your racist statements they are therefore NOT fact!!
Anonymous September 01, 2011 1:59 pm
Yeah, foxy, walk up to a Samoan.
Tell him he's big, dumb and greedy.
See where it gets you, you dickhead.
Tell him he's big, dumb and greedy.
See where it gets you, you dickhead.
Tani September 02, 2011 3:25 am
"baffoon!!" now who is being racist?this fox guy is referring to samoan rugby players when he makes his comments-I think he makes some sense. Islanders are far too touchy, I live in South Auckland and my grandfather was Samoan and he would take everything personally and call all the europeans racists because he couldn't take a joke. Its called winding you up- an old past time between rugby fans which has being going on for years-you say anything to get under the others skin and by the looks of things this fox guy has suceeded brilliantly. you need to remove that chip from your shoulders people and just relax.
Alexander September 03, 2011 11:42 am
So sorry for David, a great back row player!!! Get well soon bud!!
Johnny September 03, 2011 12:13 pm
Sorry but he didn't tackle at all, he hit with no use of arms and that wasn't the first or last time in that match
Anonymous September 04, 2011 6:21 pm
Tuilagi is a star in the making and for all of you who think otherwise are down-right ignorant.
To all those who are saying that Tuilagi hasn't come up against the big boys, do you not remember him smashing the South African centres around for leicester tigers when he was 18?
Now to the 'Poaching' topic, I am pretty sure it is THEIR OWN choice. You have to remember that if they take on professional contracts abroad, that means they can earn more money for their families back home. It is a profession after all. I personally cannot wait to watch Tuilagi at the world cup. Deepest sympathy for Wallace too, great player.
To all those who are saying that Tuilagi hasn't come up against the big boys, do you not remember him smashing the South African centres around for leicester tigers when he was 18?
Now to the 'Poaching' topic, I am pretty sure it is THEIR OWN choice. You have to remember that if they take on professional contracts abroad, that means they can earn more money for their families back home. It is a profession after all. I personally cannot wait to watch Tuilagi at the world cup. Deepest sympathy for Wallace too, great player.
Adam England October 03, 2011 8:24 pm
I am realy sorry for Wallace but that was a great, physical tackle. Yes I agree sometimes the Samoan's and Tuilagi's tackles have been suspect! BUT that hit was (1) below the shoulders of Wallace and (2) both arms get wrapped round the player and that's watching the slow mo. If we start even questoning banning tackles like that then you may as well stop playing, or watching rugby..unless you want to play tag!
Nick October 27, 2011 7:57 pm
Woah, This really looks awful! Great sport anyway! mobiles Internet
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