Friday, October 21, 2011
Shane Williams flipped in huge double hit vs the Wallabies
The Wallabies grabbed a bronze medal in the Third Place Playoff at Eden Park earlier as they beat Wales 21-18. The game started out at high intensity, as you can see in the below clip, but a few injuries disrupted it's rhthym and the spectacle died somewhat.
Shane Williams had an eventful night in what could possibly have been his final game for Wales, and definitely his final RWC match. He was smashed early on in this double hit from David Pocock and Tatafu Polota-Nau, but as we've come to expect from him, soldiered on unfazed.
He scored a try and set up another, taking his personal world cup tally to 10 tries in 11 games.
"The try was created out of nothing ... perhaps the pass might have been a bit forward," Coach Warren Gatland said. "He's been an outstanding performer, he always goes looking for the ball. I keep saying to him this week that he hasn't got many to go... I'm not sure (it's tonight) or maybe Australia on Dec. 3," he said.
Paul James, Welsh prop, said that Williams should definitely have a farewell game in Cardiff.
"That guy has given everything to Welsh rugby over his career, he's been a great servant on and off the field. I think he deserves a great send off. He's a world-class player and a great mate."
This is just a quick clip of the massive hit he took. You can view full highlights on the RWC website
Posted at 3:10 pm | 79 comments
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Jonny October 21, 2011 4:23 pm
No wrapped arms, and going for the trailing leg, a cheap shot, should have been a red.
Colombes October 21, 2011 4:41 pm
don't say bullshits, it was not a red card. polota-nau didn't aim the legs. it was completly clumsy by both australian players who collided each other just before make contact with williams. result: a pretty akward tackle
concerning Barnes, i'm relieved to see that he doesn't just allow "french" forward passes ;)
concerning Barnes, i'm relieved to see that he doesn't just allow "french" forward passes ;)
RamRugby10 October 21, 2011 10:04 pm
Haha! Yeah Jonny!
Haven't you retired yet?!
Haven't you retired yet?!
RamRugby10 October 21, 2011 10:04 pm
Haha! Yeah Jonny!
Haven't you retired yet?!
Haven't you retired yet?!
Gaspar October 21, 2011 4:28 pm
Man! What a player he is! In a rugby where all is about size and power, this man show game after game his class.
I'm PUMA (ARG) fan, and I just want to say: "We will miss you Shane!"
I'm PUMA (ARG) fan, and I just want to say: "We will miss you Shane!"
stroudos October 21, 2011 5:01 pm
Bien dicho amigo.
I think rugby fans of all nationalities will miss him, great servant to the game.
Luckily for Wales, they've got plenty of talented wings coming through to replace him.
I think rugby fans of all nationalities will miss him, great servant to the game.
Luckily for Wales, they've got plenty of talented wings coming through to replace him.
cooperkid October 23, 2011 12:57 am
here here!!!
a role model for anybody who looks at a sport and thinks "im too fat/slow/small/big/skinny"
A champion!
a role model for anybody who looks at a sport and thinks "im too fat/slow/small/big/skinny"
A champion!
English Fan October 21, 2011 4:30 pm
I don't want to say this should be a penalty/red card or whatever, but as the poster says above he made a tackle(/debatable charge down) - there was no rapped arm, he took the player off his feet, took him over 90 degrees and didn't return him safely to the ground. Surely this is worse than warburtons ? Referees need to be not only consistent with themselves, but there needs to be consistency across all referees as well.
Patrick October 21, 2011 4:56 pm
The lifting and returning to the ground tackle rule isnt for this.. its for when you actually lift a player up. im not saying anything about the use of the arms or whatever, but i think youve got the wrong idea with this
Patrick October 21, 2011 4:56 pm
The lifting and returning to the ground tackle rule isnt for this.. its for when you actually lift a player up. im not saying anything about the use of the arms or whatever, but i think youve got the wrong idea with this
Diggers November 02, 2011 1:03 pm
You dont need a wrapped arm its 'without trying to grasp' so the Ref needs to decide if there was any intent to grasp. Its a seperate law for lifting a player and subject to specific IRB guidance.
I only know this as my son who plays checked IRB site...does suggest there remains room for different decisions from ref to ref
I only know this as my son who plays checked IRB site...does suggest there remains room for different decisions from ref to ref
Nick Blane October 21, 2011 4:47 pm
No a pently for me.
The action of kicking is what takes Shane into the air and also takes his body away from any chance of the tackler engaging his arms.
Furthermore the whole duty to bring the player down safely is lessened when more than one player is involve in the tackle.
It ended in a dangerous situation but not due to any fault of either tackler.
The action of kicking is what takes Shane into the air and also takes his body away from any chance of the tackler engaging his arms.
Furthermore the whole duty to bring the player down safely is lessened when more than one player is involve in the tackle.
It ended in a dangerous situation but not due to any fault of either tackler.
yupyupgup October 22, 2011 7:12 pm
correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure to tackle/charge down a kick, you have to use arms. pretty sure that polota-nau didn't use them for either. penalty and yellow card surely for this instance.
stroudos October 21, 2011 4:58 pm
Bloody hell! That was pretty spectacular wasn't it!? No foul play involved as far as I'm concerned, just a freak occurrence. Really pleased to see Ickle Shane unhurt from it.
English Fan October 21, 2011 5:21 pm
Its not about whether it should be applied or not - warburtons was definitely not a red card in the eyes of every rugby fan around the world/spirit of the game, yet it was to the letter of the law. This is not a question of whether we think it should/shouldn't be, but its up to the letter of the law not the spirit of the game. This tackle clearly wasn't malicious - it was just a freak accident but that is irrelevant, referees aren't allowed to pass judgement on intent - its all down to the letter of the law.
Just to clarify I'm not saying in my opinion this should be a card/penalty - but I'm just saying that referees should be consistent and if paddy o'brien is supporting rolland, then he should also be supporting a call for this to be a card.
Just to clarify I'm not saying in my opinion this should be a card/penalty - but I'm just saying that referees should be consistent and if paddy o'brien is supporting rolland, then he should also be supporting a call for this to be a card.
Nick Blane October 21, 2011 5:31 pm
English fan.
The fact of the matter is that by the letter of the law this is not a penalty, So he shouldn't. It's a very different situation from Warburtons tackle and thus you don't apply the same law.
The fact of the matter is that by the letter of the law this is not a penalty, So he shouldn't. It's a very different situation from Warburtons tackle and thus you don't apply the same law.
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 7:01 pm
Exactly right Nick! You are allowed to tackle somebody when they're in the action of kicking. You can hardly blame the Australia for the laws of physics.
RamRugby10 October 21, 2011 10:02 pm
Exaccctttlllyyyy!... Does the "letter of the law" say on a first-offense somewhat dangerous tackle (with no malicious intentions) that the offender must be sent from the field never to return (with 60 minutes left in the game)?... No... That decision is at the discretion of the referee, and in this case, the referee made the right decision!
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 5:27 pm
Funny that I didn't hear Wayne Barnes say "hands of gold - ruck formed" much on Welsh attacking rucks. There was more hands (on the ball) than a game of bridge.
And if Shane Williams was not turned unside down in a dangerous tackle above, I'm the fecking Pope.
And if Shane Williams was not turned unside down in a dangerous tackle above, I'm the fecking Pope.
Coops October 21, 2011 5:41 pm
This game was played how rugby should be played - hard but with respect. Pocock shows concern after the hit, and the Welsh Boys immediately stopped play on Cooper's injury. Class from both teams.
And people need to have a good luck at the rules before they start moaning this tackle was worse than Warburton's. This was a double hit that flipped him, not a controlled 'pick and tip' tackle that Sam did. Have a lot of sympathy for the bloke but by the letter of the law it was a red. This wasn't, although potentially a penalty for no arms.
And people need to have a good luck at the rules before they start moaning this tackle was worse than Warburton's. This was a double hit that flipped him, not a controlled 'pick and tip' tackle that Sam did. Have a lot of sympathy for the bloke but by the letter of the law it was a red. This wasn't, although potentially a penalty for no arms.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 6:22 pm
Yes, well said Coops. And did you notice Dan Lydiate pulled back from tackling Quade Cooper immediatly, when he noticed that Cooper had twanged his knee seriously.
That game was played in the best of spirit. Claret everywhere, but hard and fair. No wendy ball nonsense feigning injury, and no shouting at the ref, nor giving him blarney as the Irish tend to do (POC usually) at all. A great game, even if all the players at times looked as if they worked in a butter factory, welsh players mostly.
That game was played in the best of spirit. Claret everywhere, but hard and fair. No wendy ball nonsense feigning injury, and no shouting at the ref, nor giving him blarney as the Irish tend to do (POC usually) at all. A great game, even if all the players at times looked as if they worked in a butter factory, welsh players mostly.
cheyanqui October 22, 2011 12:17 am
Spot on about the POC call. He chimes in way too much, particularly when he is not the captain on the day.
cheyanqui October 22, 2011 12:17 am
Spot on about the POC call. He chimes in way too much, particularly when he is not the captain on the day.
Just Call Me Etch October 22, 2011 1:39 am
Cheers. Glad I am not alone on POC.
rugby October 21, 2011 6:16 pm
clearly you have never played rugby. it was fair and legal. there are so many stupid comments on this website from people who no nothing about rugby
medicaluke October 21, 2011 6:23 pm
I can't understand why there are people comparing this to Warburton's tackle?? This was nothing similar. He got flipped completely accidentally. He wasn't lifted and his legs taken above his head. Its a completely different set of rules.
I think people, who don't know much about rugby, are trying to apply one set of rules to everything else.
There is no letter of the law stating this is a penalty (OR any card). If we started giving penalties and cards for every freak accident in rugby it would be ridiculous
I think people, who don't know much about rugby, are trying to apply one set of rules to everything else.
There is no letter of the law stating this is a penalty (OR any card). If we started giving penalties and cards for every freak accident in rugby it would be ridiculous
Just Call Me ehtch October 21, 2011 6:32 pm
No arms mun, no arms around the body.
Yorffeo October 21, 2011 6:43 pm
On this game, a big applause to the supporters in the stadium (NZ most?)
Booing a player going out of the field on an injury...how classy and smart this is!
Thanks guys for this wonderful world cup...no just kidding!
A real applause though to the Welsh defenders stoping immediatly when seing the man injured!
On this one, that is fine, the referee did compensate by validating his forward passed try.
5 point rather than 3 you should be happy Wales.
Booing a player going out of the field on an injury...how classy and smart this is!
Thanks guys for this wonderful world cup...no just kidding!
A real applause though to the Welsh defenders stoping immediatly when seing the man injured!
On this one, that is fine, the referee did compensate by validating his forward passed try.
5 point rather than 3 you should be happy Wales.
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 6:57 pm
Looked legal to me. It was dangerous though, and this is why we cannot tackle people in the air. This tackle looked very NFL-esque in the way he went rotating through the air.
I love it. It's dangerous and you don't want to see it again because there is no helmet safeguard to protect neck on landing, but it happened, no body was hurt and I certainly LOL'd. Credit to Shane, he's a tough little nugget
I love it. It's dangerous and you don't want to see it again because there is no helmet safeguard to protect neck on landing, but it happened, no body was hurt and I certainly LOL'd. Credit to Shane, he's a tough little nugget
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 7:02 pm
And what are you people talking about saying there was no arms? I must be watching a different video, the arms are there and he tried to wrap. Short of coming to a stop and putting Williams in a bear-hug I'm not sure what else he could have done!?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 7:56 pm
yah-yah-ah BuzzKillington - take up crochet with your balls of wool will you. Bear hug? my total arse!
Vid for you, Buzz, even if it is a bit oirish. GORLS! NONNES? ow-ow-owww...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTnacYvvg4
(apols for the channel four ads at the start)
Vid for you, Buzz, even if it is a bit oirish. GORLS! NONNES? ow-ow-owww...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTnacYvvg4
(apols for the channel four ads at the start)
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 8:04 pm
The fact is he mad an attempt to wrap. Your mind exists in an alternate universe
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 8:20 pm
Tried to charge him into touch, and the Oz player put his brain, if he had one, in a box. Total red card, or even a penalty, which that Barnes person even shat out of giving. What was he frightened of? At one point, it was a four-nil count of penalties against us welsh. What was that all about? And if you say us welsh have a chip on our shoulders, I will slam you, online.
And by the way, the first ever modern leader of a country that was born in Wales is Julia Gillard, PM of Oz. David Lloyd-George, the old welsh UK PM was born in Manchester, and Neil Kinnock failed in the semi-final. Gillard was born in Barry, where Stacey of Gavin and Stacey fame is from also. Trivia for you. What were we talking about again? Oh yes, rugby, and nothing at all of not curtseying to a monach from the other side of the Earth. : )
And by the way, the first ever modern leader of a country that was born in Wales is Julia Gillard, PM of Oz. David Lloyd-George, the old welsh UK PM was born in Manchester, and Neil Kinnock failed in the semi-final. Gillard was born in Barry, where Stacey of Gavin and Stacey fame is from also. Trivia for you. What were we talking about again? Oh yes, rugby, and nothing at all of not curtseying to a monach from the other side of the Earth. : )
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 8:28 pm
Well it's obvious YOU have a chip on your shoulder, as you're the one bringing up Welsh this and Welsh that. I'm just looking at this as a tackle. You can see from the Warburton tackle that I defended it to the death, going as far as to say it was a penalty at best lol. Go have a look, you'll see.
Palota-Nau MADE an effort to wrap. There is no red card here, not even worthy of penalty. You're looking at this with red tinted glasses, I think.
Palota-Nau MADE an effort to wrap. There is no red card here, not even worthy of penalty. You're looking at this with red tinted glasses, I think.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 8:39 pm
You need the glasses butt, and your bumming mate Wayne Barnes. Does he give you a reach around when you get together, down Kings Cross Station in that Lahndan? Bet he doesn't, the selfish english buggerer. Another vid for you Buzz - I'll be watching you! : )))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmefyksm_I
And it is a fact of life for us welsh that we do have a chip on our shoulder, ever since the Romans came, almost two thousand years ago, when all of England, lower Scotland, as well as Wales, was all WELSH. Some history in a lesson to you. Educate yourself, Buzz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHmefyksm_I
And it is a fact of life for us welsh that we do have a chip on our shoulder, ever since the Romans came, almost two thousand years ago, when all of England, lower Scotland, as well as Wales, was all WELSH. Some history in a lesson to you. Educate yourself, Buzz.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 9:32 pm
that didn't come through, try again...
Furthermore, Buzz, to end my history lesson, a couple of vids to back me up, when East Anglia in England was then completely Welsh - on the female leader of a celtic tribe there, and one on Romans and what they were like. Enjoy, two completerly different videos. The second one is vewy funny, but is what the Romans were like. Well, us Welsh then thought so, quite barking:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym9VOtYpKOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc
I have a good fweid in wundun called Tim Pwonsified-Dim...
Furthermore, Buzz, to end my history lesson, a couple of vids to back me up, when East Anglia in England was then completely Welsh - on the female leader of a celtic tribe there, and one on Romans and what they were like. Enjoy, two completerly different videos. The second one is vewy funny, but is what the Romans were like. Well, us Welsh then thought so, quite barking:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym9VOtYpKOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc
I have a good fweid in wundun called Tim Pwonsified-Dim...
stroudos October 21, 2011 9:57 pm
Ehtch, Why are you trying to turn this into some Wales v the rest of the world thing. Your team have been exemplary and the rugby world has warmed to them in a massive way. Don't undo all their hard work mate.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 10:48 am
Play me down stroudos, but I have actually got a great observers brain on my mortal frame, even if I am Welsh, Merlin-like. Thought France would push the Kiwis close this morning/tonight. They are playing well the better, but the ref, sadly, has been a homer. As I said, IRB has pre-organised this WC, for diplomatic international reasons, and their bank-balance. Shallow it is. How much is the count of kiwis high tackles yet.
Full-time. Well done NZ - you have friends in high places, it seems. If Mother Nature has won this, IRB should have organised it for Japan winning the WC.
See what happens Cymru v. Oz in the Millennium in six weeks. Keep the fitness up taffies, but don't overdo it, just keep in the window of required fitness. Yoga is good for the body, on days off.
Full-time. Well done NZ - you have friends in high places, it seems. If Mother Nature has won this, IRB should have organised it for Japan winning the WC.
See what happens Cymru v. Oz in the Millennium in six weeks. Keep the fitness up taffies, but don't overdo it, just keep in the window of required fitness. Yoga is good for the body, on days off.
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 11:29 pm
As I said, my opinion on this tackle has nothing to do with Wales as a geographical country, people or rugby team. I have no idea what you're carrying on about.
Everything you say, rightly or wrongly, is irrelevant to the fact this tackle was 100% legal.
Everything you say, rightly or wrongly, is irrelevant to the fact this tackle was 100% legal.
i love bacon October 21, 2011 7:26 pm
Palota-nau may have performed a dangerous tackle or two in his time, but overwhelmingly, his tackles are just hard and legal. He'll throw his entire body at a guy, almost self-recklessly, but he'll still make sure to go for the arm-wrap.
He did that here. Williams was just on one leg and ended up getting flipped over. He was fine, though. Shane has hurdled over tacklers before, and has landed in awkward positions after falling plenty of times.
It just looked crazy is all.
I wish Shane Williams could keep playing rugby until he was 60. He's always great to watch, and is great at reading the game. It's awesome when the little guy runs at a group of forwards on the line, runs around the first one, ducks under the next tackle, and then sidesteps the third. Doesn't happen every time, but when it does, it's terrific.
He did that here. Williams was just on one leg and ended up getting flipped over. He was fine, though. Shane has hurdled over tacklers before, and has landed in awkward positions after falling plenty of times.
It just looked crazy is all.
I wish Shane Williams could keep playing rugby until he was 60. He's always great to watch, and is great at reading the game. It's awesome when the little guy runs at a group of forwards on the line, runs around the first one, ducks under the next tackle, and then sidesteps the third. Doesn't happen every time, but when it does, it's terrific.
Fettsack October 21, 2011 7:32 pm
Shane Williams is such an awesome rugby player.
This is in no way a penalty, it's just a tough challenge and neither players could wrap their arms because they ran into each other. The shock was very impressive and Williams is a tough little man.
Warburton's red card is a completely different situation and cannot be compared.
This is in no way a penalty, it's just a tough challenge and neither players could wrap their arms because they ran into each other. The shock was very impressive and Williams is a tough little man.
Warburton's red card is a completely different situation and cannot be compared.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 9:27 pm
Totally off topic, may I wish Matt Gilbert of Scarlets all the best this Sunday against the Cardiff Blues, rumoured to be one of the first deaf, literally, that is approaching top rugby. Wales players in the future will need to learn sign language, as well as calls. He had an excellent game last weekend against Leicester Tigers down at Parc y Scarlets, scoring a try. Played for England Deaf XV in their internationals, but gladly that doesn't prevent him for playing for Wales in the future, IRB says.
stroudos October 21, 2011 9:48 pm
Really? Fair play to him. What position does he play?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 10:29 pm
Wharrt? I am not. just showing how clever us welsh are, and the reason why us welsh get reffered so hard. We are different to yews. Song for you stroudos, since you bothered me, by the great yank, Cass Elliot, enjoy, and peace to you as well,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7rAaYFFeZk
...and don't call our welsh marvellous welsh ladies witches will you, they are just different. : )
and by the way, get a brain, and a life. Ta-ra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7rAaYFFeZk
...and don't call our welsh marvellous welsh ladies witches will you, they are just different. : )
and by the way, get a brain, and a life. Ta-ra.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 10:33 pm
oops, stroudos, that should have been a reply to your comment before, if you get what I mean. HIC! Anyways...
OK, just clicked on the the wrong stroudos comment, so what?
OK, just clicked on the the wrong stroudos comment, so what?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 10:50 pm
Sorry stroudos, really got my comments really mixed up here.
He plays backrow, 6/8. Watch him on sunday on ESPN in the LV= Cup, or online, or check the Scarlets site for a report after the match by clicking fixture report here, if you are non-UK,
http://www.scarlets.co.uk/eng/rugby/fixtures.php
He plays backrow, 6/8. Watch him on sunday on ESPN in the LV= Cup, or online, or check the Scarlets site for a report after the match by clicking fixture report here, if you are non-UK,
http://www.scarlets.co.uk/eng/rugby/fixtures.php
BuzzKillington October 21, 2011 11:30 pm
Even though you are a troll or mentally not all there here is a video I will share on the subject of deaf rugby players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSGiGduZYo
A video from American about "Inner-city" Rugby players helping a deaf Rugby team. Worth a watch, I would like to see this sort of thing on RD more often
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSGiGduZYo
A video from American about "Inner-city" Rugby players helping a deaf Rugby team. Worth a watch, I would like to see this sort of thing on RD more often
Just Call Me Ehtch October 21, 2011 11:55 pm
cheers Buzz, I love you too. So I am a bigger genius and a bigger nutter than you? So what's new.
I am fifty this january, and still got all my teeth, apart from a couple of front caps from on field collisions/going through pub windows. How ols are you then butty, Buzz?
I am fifty this january, and still got all my teeth, apart from a couple of front caps from on field collisions/going through pub windows. How ols are you then butty, Buzz?
BuzzKillington October 22, 2011 12:07 am
22 - Senility is a few decades away, hopefully. How are you coping with it?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 12:20 am
But Buzz, great post Buzz. Those lads look as if their discovery rugby, and enjoying it. I have an old good mate, Paul Watts, who was in the team won the Welsh World Cup in deaf rugby rugby in NZ for Wales. Heck of a bloke.
And I know him since nine years of age, since my primary school set up a deaf school in it in about 1970. When I returned to Wales, I, incredibly met him again, when I played in the same cricket team as him. Hell of a six hitter he is. But don't give him calls for a run, unless he is looking at you, and can read your lips, from 22 yards away...
And I know him since nine years of age, since my primary school set up a deaf school in it in about 1970. When I returned to Wales, I, incredibly met him again, when I played in the same cricket team as him. Hell of a six hitter he is. But don't give him calls for a run, unless he is looking at you, and can read your lips, from 22 yards away...
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 1:55 am
Super strange thing was, I never saw Paul get involved with a run out in crickers. Body language of all sorts is big with deaf people. They can spot when you want to take a run or not. A sixth sense, you could say.
Song for Paul, if you get what I mean,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f66laqjhwjY
Song for Paul, if you get what I mean,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f66laqjhwjY
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 2:08 am
Good visual old video here - I have heard it is going to be well parky this winter, six foot snow in Wales in January. But I did say Wales v.Oz in the final, so I might be wrong,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xmu4NVz0VQ
album track, cold winter 1981,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uByUX0GrtdA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xmu4NVz0VQ
album track, cold winter 1981,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uByUX0GrtdA
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 12:30 am
doing alright, just a bit pissed/drunk though, because my first reply to you ended below. HIC!
tapped the wrong mousey, or somingzz... More tea vicar?
tapped the wrong mousey, or somingzz... More tea vicar?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 12:26 am
My age? I am coping alright Buzz. What were we talking about again? I can't remember. Could you get me another cup of tea son? I think I have wet myself....
: )
NAH, I am top form, and for the next, ahem!, thirty years again, he says...
: )
NAH, I am top form, and for the next, ahem!, thirty years again, he says...
WelshOsprey October 22, 2011 1:26 am
Legend of a player, came back and scored a great try.
Feel bad for quade cooper though, knee ligament damage is never good.
Feel bad for quade cooper though, knee ligament damage is never good.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 3:10 am
France - you have more simple understanding of life of madness of life than anyone. Let them maoris dance on their sands in front of you, sticking their tongues out, as if it is culturally clever. But they have no idea of the millions that have died in ages and over ages land of yours. Maoris with their foot stomping are childred compared to you, La France. CELTS FOREVER!
What? WHARRRTTT?
What? WHARRRTTT?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 3:18 am
Another song for La France, when wars are fought, for next to no reason, with many dying, ok Turkey, but sung by Charles, how do you spell it, Aznavour?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV7MELY44DQ
Life's medals put into the Eastern Meditteranean at the end, as if they were made from hollow tin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV7MELY44DQ
Life's medals put into the Eastern Meditteranean at the end, as if they were made from hollow tin.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 3:25 am
Didn't hear many maori WWI and WWII war heroes, tongues in or out, but tell me if you have heard, and put me right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-15392407
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-15392407
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 4:46 am
DANSE!
french for to dance, in yes that french. AHEM! Look out Kiwis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
french for to dance, in yes that french. AHEM! Look out Kiwis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII
Just Call Me Ehtch October 22, 2011 5:01 am
Toby Faletau. Remember his dad that played for the successeful Ebbw Vale side of the 1990's. In the second row. I do, and I can see him now, thinner face than Toby. He must have his mothers fuller face. Don't take it that way Mrs Falatau? Mrs Falatuu.. Mrs Falatau.... i think i have put my foot in it again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/rugby-world-cup/8837258/Rugby-World-Cup-2011-Latest-statistics.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/rugby-world-cup/8837258/Rugby-World-Cup-2011-Latest-statistics.html
Jackkonb1 October 22, 2011 8:42 am
tackle without the ball==> red card, dangerous tackle==> red card, impact with kicker==> red card, so why don't austaliens have red card?
Eggman October 22, 2011 10:12 am
Now you're just making up rules, which is particularly ironic considering they don't even apply here.
Williams had the ball when the tackle came through, you can't expect a player to pull out of a tackle when the ball was kicked away a millisecond before the kick. Also a tackle of the ball is not a straight red, depends on the situation. Same goes for "impact with the kicker", which doesn't even exist. You're allowed to tackle the kicker.
Also not all "dangerous tackles" are red cards, there are different degrees. The IRB happens to rate spear tackles (such as Wharburton did) as extremely dangerous, and insist that it should always be a red card. This was nothing like it, and not even dangerous.
Williams had the ball when the tackle came through, you can't expect a player to pull out of a tackle when the ball was kicked away a millisecond before the kick. Also a tackle of the ball is not a straight red, depends on the situation. Same goes for "impact with the kicker", which doesn't even exist. You're allowed to tackle the kicker.
Also not all "dangerous tackles" are red cards, there are different degrees. The IRB happens to rate spear tackles (such as Wharburton did) as extremely dangerous, and insist that it should always be a red card. This was nothing like it, and not even dangerous.
Matt October 22, 2011 2:34 pm
Ironic how you call it a spear tackle. It was not a spear tackle.
Worrying that you say this was not even dangerous..... however it came about, it was dangerous.
Worrying that you say this was not even dangerous..... however it came about, it was dangerous.
Guy October 22, 2011 11:04 am
I can understand when people say the players were allready committed to the tackle. Nevertheless, I don't see anybody trying to wrap arms around the tackled player.
As someone allready said: it looks more like footage from an American Football match. Spectacular but dangerous.
On the other hand: the ref has to decide allmost immediately and there were a lot of things to watch. Possible knock on, baal being kicked by player in touch or not, simultaneous tackles, where does the ball land, is everybody on site, etc. A lot of things to watch.
Anyway, if there was any real indication of dangerous play, I guess we will hear from the citing commissioner soon.
As someone allready said: it looks more like footage from an American Football match. Spectacular but dangerous.
On the other hand: the ref has to decide allmost immediately and there were a lot of things to watch. Possible knock on, baal being kicked by player in touch or not, simultaneous tackles, where does the ball land, is everybody on site, etc. A lot of things to watch.
Anyway, if there was any real indication of dangerous play, I guess we will hear from the citing commissioner soon.
ollie October 22, 2011 3:01 pm
The tackle on Williams is legal, but is arguably far more dangerous than Warburton's red card (which was clearly illegal but probably deserved a yellow). Both incidents are actually the result of mismatches in size of player, but only Warburton's is policable. If Warburton had made the same tackle on Pocock it would have ended differently and probably would have gone down as the best tackle of the RWC....
So should size and mismatches be a factor taken into account by the law-makers to protect the big-guy from punishment as much as the small-guy from injury?
So should size and mismatches be a factor taken into account by the law-makers to protect the big-guy from punishment as much as the small-guy from injury?
Rodofle October 25, 2011 3:19 pm
How can you say that this tackle is more dangerous than the one by Warburton on Clerc?? Williams falls on the flank, this is more spectacular than dangerous. Clerc falls on the neck, he could have had his neck broken, he could have spent the rest of his life on a wheeling chair... Definitely tackling someone and letting him fall right on his neck doesn't make a good tackle, even if the tacled player is Pocock. Warburton made an ugly tackle which deserved the red card, that's all.
ollie November 07, 2011 2:58 pm
My point is that had it been Pocock that was on the receiving end of the tackle, we would have judged it as the tackle of the tournament as we would not have seen his legs up in the air and his upper back/neck hitting the ground first. So I guess we are saying that players should be adjusting their tackling technique relative to the size of the tackled player. I think mismatches are an inherent part of the sport, so I think it's an interesting debate...
cooperkid October 23, 2011 12:54 am
it looked like the aussies clashed when trying to block the kick/tackle nothing menacing in it since they clearly go to see if he is ok.
if they didnt give a shit they would have simply walked off
no malace intended so move on
if they didnt give a shit they would have simply walked off
no malace intended so move on
Johnny03 October 23, 2011 11:25 am
it doesnt matter if there was malae, if you look at this non-objectively and at the law book, he didnt wrap his arms and he took him over 90 degrees without bringing him back down safely, on this occasion i think the ref got it right williams got up and was fine and their was no malae for play on, but in terms of the law and allain rolland this is a wrong decision and contradicts the IRB
BuzzKillington October 23, 2011 4:41 pm
What on earth are you bloody talking about? The 90 degree rule only applies if you lift somebody. Nobody lifted Shane Williams.
If you look at the rule book what you find is that you obviously are talking air.
If you look at the rule book what you find is that you obviously are talking air.
johnny03 October 23, 2011 5:38 pm
ok fair one, but personally the way i see it he charged him illegally he went in the air and went over 90 so whos fault and responsibility is it? its just the way i see it, everybody has their own opinion l bud so hill. he still is in the wrong for law 10 G bro.
ollie November 07, 2011 3:00 pm
Guess the question is if they intended to lift him off the deck or not... and as seems to be the general debate at the moment, should we be judging intent or results in contact situation..?
Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 11:59 am
For the Scarlets, Tavis Knoyle, Stephen Jones and Ken Owens can get right back on the horse next week, but Jonathan Davies, Georgie North and Rhys the Priest need some slack off time.
Whatever "other" regions decide is up to them, as if I care. But go for it Gavin H with the Blues, I must say. You will be 33 in 2015, and hope you are in the mix then. WHARRT! So i like the lad, and always have done - I like his put two fingers up spirit - he's a bit like Spikey Mike, to tell you the truth, in my observation - will NEVER go missing in action, if you get what I mean.
Whatever "other" regions decide is up to them, as if I care. But go for it Gavin H with the Blues, I must say. You will be 33 in 2015, and hope you are in the mix then. WHARRT! So i like the lad, and always have done - I like his put two fingers up spirit - he's a bit like Spikey Mike, to tell you the truth, in my observation - will NEVER go missing in action, if you get what I mean.
Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 12:43 pm
Song for Shane, the bloke that came from via Amman United RFC, in the next vally from me, who started first to play footie, a game for your granny, falling down dramatically... I could go on all day like this, poetically..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNimFYyk6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNimFYyk6o
Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 2:20 pm
By the way taffies young lads, Evie Goodman is welsh, and lives in ah-ah-ah, that is for you to find out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqpn_k8Nss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqpn_k8Nss
Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 2:41 pm
Re. Adam Jones tight-head position, and his dying light, which iraationally is being played too much in Wales. There are two young lads down at SAcralets could be better than Adam, the younger one now is already tightly proping his scrum up when called for the Scarlets. But i will name no names, just for you to find them out, in time.
Time, ah yes time, I feel a song coming over me,
Evie prydferth, eto?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrkgdj0bVAo
Time, ah yes time, I feel a song coming over me,
Evie prydferth, eto?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrkgdj0bVAo
Just Call Me Ehtch October 26, 2011 12:45 am
Wales is the Chapel of rugby, and I don't care what anyone else says.
Where's my eye patch...
Scarlets am byth, ac amdano.
Where's my eye patch...
Scarlets am byth, ac amdano.
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