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Sunday, October 23, 2011

All Blacks win the 2011 Rugby World Cup - France challenge the Haka

The All Blacks put their 24 year nightmare behind them as they beat France 8-7 in the lowest scoring Rugby World Cup final ever. France came to play, and made their intentions clear just before kick off as they challenged the Haka in a unique way.

Wearing their white away strip, France linked arms and formed a 'flying V' before marching forwards towards the All Blacks, making it clear they weren't going to simply make up the numbers in this one, their third RWC final. 

"I wasn't alone, I had my teammates with me. I felt them close to me — too close at one stage, because they wanted to go across the field and hug New Zealand," captain Thierry Dusautoir said. 

"It was necessary to calm them down. But it's a great moment we'll all remember. I felt during the week that the players wanted to do something during the haka, like they did in 2007. Someone came to see us, who I won't name, who told us this idea. We thought of it this morning."

Prop Fabien Barcella was one of the Frenchman who continued forward, having to be held back at times. "It was a 'V' for victory, quite simply. It's the chance of a lifetime to play a final at Eden Park, we didn't want to miss out on it," Barcella said.

"It came from the heart, and showed that the 30 of us were together tonight."

Francois Trinh-Duc, the flyhalf who started off the bench, said that the players needed to make an impression on their opponent. "We had to throw down the challenge to them," Trinh-Duc said.

"It's a special moment for the All Blacks, so we wanted a special moment for ourselves as well. It was a way of defying them, letting them know we were there. I think they were surprised, they weren't expecting it, so I think it worked," he said. 

What did you think of what France did in response to the Haka?

Highlights from the match can be viewed on the official RWC website. Other clips and coverage will continue on RD over the next few days. Please get in touch if there's anything you'd like featured. 

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papapoupa October 23, 2011 1:20 pm

I am french, and i have a feeling of corruption?

The refereeing on rucks was pitiful, bad...

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Beaver of Waiuku October 23, 2011 1:30 pm

Truly a measure of this great team was the amount of pressure they had to absorb. Well done France, worthy opponents lead by a courageous captain. Congrats to NZ we have been waiting for this one. Never was it more deserved: undefeated in the tournament, ranked #1 for the last four years. But boys you made me sweat it a bit there!

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mbdefon October 23, 2011 1:38 pm

" France will be beaten by 20 points, at least! " -Shame on you.. France nearly won this match. Played awesome rugby. Congrats to the All Blacks. Would've been quite amazing if the french got there. One bloody point. I'm not going to blame it on the ref... Bravo les Blacks!!

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AndreJ October 24, 2011 12:07 am

My original team was Ireland, second was Wales, then to see the lost of the Century for France to win. It would have made my life, and maybe just maybe it would get the New Zealanders to relax more about Rugby. They are willing to kill to get the Cup agian. Its just a Cup. They have the best winning record for any team in any sport, right? Come on New Z. Dont knee star kickers in the head becuase you are scared of a loss. Play a fair game. Cowards.

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Demosys October 23, 2011 4:43 pm

Great Haka, great game.
New Zeland deserve this title for their tournament not for this game.

Proud to be French.

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4LC4TR4Z October 23, 2011 5:29 pm

Clearly, New Zealand deserves the Cup.

France missed too many details to win the game.

Joubert's not to blame.

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andrej October 23, 2011 11:57 pm

I would wonder what would have happened if France didnt have Morgon Para's kneed by the famous leader of New Z?! One wonders. I honestly never really followed French Rugby, but Im a convert now. They won that game. They played like a France that will give New Z nightmares to come.

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Demosys October 23, 2011 5:35 pm


Craig Joubert missed too many details to allow both teams to win the game.

France's not to blame.

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AndreJ October 24, 2011 12:03 am

You mean if he didnt have his head kneed in by Richie McCaw? Yeah the All Black seem to be bribing the IRB after all I saw Brian Odriscall get dumped on his head by some late All Blacks, no fine or nothing. Its as if they own the IRB.

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bobo October 23, 2011 4:50 pm

"80 minutes an we will laugh" wasn't funnyat all hu ? and i saw fear in NZ players' eyes...France deserved to win, no matter how we were hated by the NZ....thanks the ref anyway

good game both side, congratulations NZ for winning that 2011 WC

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Gallego October 23, 2011 4:50 pm

Reminds me of the Irish challenge in 1989. Good stuff.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 23, 2011 4:55 pm

To La France, from the great Tom Jones, no doubt,

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 11:02 am

Cool or what?
Here's Tom on Woss, at his other end of life. Time, ey? Who'll have it?

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Jaunard_du_Cantal October 23, 2011 5:02 pm

Truly one of the greatest hakas of all time, loved our players' response to it. I was in a London bar full of kiwis the atmosphere was freakin electric. Awesome stuff.

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PAto October 23, 2011 8:28 pm

The french response the that amazing Haka was GAY, cmon, holding hands????? that's pretty girlie and they should have stayed in place rather than freaking arrogant... For once in your life french people SHUT UP (rather than cry: the referee, the new zealand papers were mean bla bla bla) and accept defeat like men....PLEASE

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french dude October 23, 2011 8:55 pm

yeah right, everyone need to respect the almighty allblacks, stay away from them during the haka, do nothing and don't even play, it is unnecessary, AB are just better...
Rugby has rules. Win by the rules and there shall be no complain.

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PAto October 23, 2011 10:07 pm

yes they are... and they are much better gentlemen than you're...

Rugby has rules...oh yeah... rappelle toi de la passe en avant lors de la coupe du monde chez vous...donc parle pas des regles....

Les Blacks vous ont battu....deux fois.... vos gueules maintenant... silence!!!

Belle soirée à toi

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cheyanqui October 24, 2011 2:42 am

Pato, get off the "gay" vibe. By your logic, the ABs doing Kapa o Pago shows that they each want a fisting from the French.

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yawn October 24, 2011 6:56 pm

Ah, the hallowed haka. What is a team to do? There is no adequate response but to cop it and, 25mins after your warmed up, allow the kiwis to hype themselves into a frenzy for 5 sedate mins more.

I appreciate that Pacific Island nations have traditionally engaged in a war dance to lay down a challenge to an opposition. However, traditionally there was a response too.

Since last year the IRB encourage teams to stand at the agreed distance and face the challenge 'in the spirit with which it is intended' as standard practice. An 'encouragement' that incurs a substantial monetary fine if not adhered the French can now attest.

'La Marsaillaise' has been the national song of France for over 200yrs and it is quite clear in the lyrics the French response to a challenge (admittedly not long before they surrender usually):

Arise, children of the Fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us of tyranny
The bloody banner is raised,
Do you hear, in the countryside,
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They're coming right into our arms
To cut the throats of our sons and women!

To arms, citizens,
Form your battalions,
Let's march, let's march!
That an impure blood
Waters our furrows!

Is it not arrogant to assume one (more marketable and recent) tradition be held in higher esteem than another?

Considering the context of the match and performance of their opposition, perhaps the sporting option for NZRFU is to condemn the fine imposed on the French team. Indeed, no matter how you believe their show of solidarity appeared (I have a suspicion their actions were contrived to fortify internal alliance not public theatre), it was enough for them to be more than competitive...perhaps even unlucky in the final.

Further reading:

The '73 version:

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Jimothy October 24, 2011 7:28 pm

Every Saturday I rub myself in Vaseline, put on my tight shorts and tight top, pull up my knee high socks and then with a smile on my face I stick my head between two blokes arse cheeks whilst thrusting my hand up between a crotch and grabbing at his waistline. I then push really hard and if it all goes to plan we get a try and I get to hug the other men. To celebrate a great tackle we often slap each other on the arse and high five. After the game we strip down to our bare knaked flesh and shower together.... but holding hands to face the HAKA...that's just gay!!!!

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Pato October 24, 2011 9:13 am

One is tradition, a war dance, the other....well frenchys just trying to be cool and looking gay....Don't get me wrong, it's clear teams want to give the all blacks an answer, but try to be more manly when doing it... is just that frenchys can't stand not being "the shit"... that's it... it looked gay and even my french college friends said it looked girlie...even french girls (i watched the game in France) said it looked gay!!

have a nice day

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Bob de Zob October 24, 2011 10:13 am

Ah ah Pato, just admit it already: you literally shat yourself during the game. You were expecting a landfall and almost lost. Let's face it, France turned up, and NZ didn't, you very nearly blew it...

Re the Haka, why should people show more respect than is due? Is that the great values of Rugby to single out a player and point at him repeatedly before mimicking the throat slicing? Ok the guys are psyched up and there is a bit of nerves, but then suffer the answer. Whatever the opponent does, the kiwi seem to be upset, well, wake up dude, it's not just about you!

I think you should be worried about the future, NZ ran into a wall and didn't have anything else to offer.

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Pato October 24, 2011 10:20 am

haha how much frustration, and inferiority complex... history will show us the truth...


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Mrbla October 25, 2011 10:36 pm

Hey Pato.
I am French & let me just try to give you an example of a French guy looking at this final with a true rugby spirit.

New Zealand deservs fairly to win that cup & France can be proud of the resistance they offered that was a great example of how great this sport can be.

No need to talk about the referee what ever team we support. We are not talking about football here... The referee is always right. That's all.

Now, about "judging" France response to the Haka. I don't even see why we would want to judge it. They did what they had to do to find enough motivation & combative spirit to make the game they had to do & they prooved it.
We don't care if you find it gay. We don't care if it actually looks gay or not. It is just a matter of creating the right state of mind for a team before starting the game. Likewise for NZ actually.

Now you could try to say that the French team is gay, but take a look at the game they played...

Now you could try to say French always blame it on the referee or the weather when they loose. Well then take a look at my answer & please, stop generalizing everything.
We speak about rugby here & your post was not a good rugby related contribution.

Vive le rugby

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Pato October 26, 2011 10:59 am

Thank you Mrbla for a very fair answer... I do agree with most things you say...

BUT the question of the rugbydump administrator at the end of the article was :

" What did you think of what France did in response to the Haka?"

So it's normal to give a personal opinion, because that was the question. You have the right not like or care about my opinion. But I'm still answering the question asked for this blog and you're just attacking my opinion.
Secondly I never say the french team was gay, or that they played a bad match (for the record: they played awesome, that's for sure)...
Again the question was: What did you think of what France did in response to the Haka?... well "je pense que se prendre la main entre copain d'équipe ce n'est pas très viril"... j'ai le droit d'avoir cet opinion sur la réponse française au haka... Car je répond à la question qui a été posé..

Après si tu veux qu'on parle de rugby, ou du match en soi, je reste volontiers dans la discusion.

Bonne journée à toi et merci encore

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French and proud October 24, 2011 8:28 pm

Tradition? Are u kiddin me? Kapa o Pongo was first presentede in 2005, i've seen better traditions! When Abs do it, they're sending a message saying we gonna kill you ! You must be waiting for a response one day or another ! And not answearing would be a sign of submission ! Shame on you saying french are gay, holding hands is a sign of unity, and i swear the ABs took a crap when they saw the french forming that line and moving forward towards them ! a proof ? Weepu's kicks !! Don't talk about things u don't know !!

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 11:10 pm

I agree fully, what france did in response was brilliant, there should be more of the same. However in no part of the haka does it remotely mention any type of violence. The throat slitting gesture means a different thing in maori culture, they realised that it would cause offence and have long singe changed the gesture to a more politically correct one.
At highschool its common place for teams to advance on each other during haka so i doubt this had anything to do with Weepu's kicking woes.

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Pato October 24, 2011 9:29 am

by the way cheyanqui, stop with the internet porn... is bad for your mental health...

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Mike October 24, 2011 1:24 am

Kiwis are the most arrogant supporters in the World! I have nothing against the team, I respect them and I think they are the best rugby team in the world at the moment but are still very beatable (Example Tri Nations). I'm an Irish Student student studying in Wellington at the moment, and so many kiwis think that every other team is below them (not in rugby ability just better) and yet they hardly know the rules to the game. If you think about what the Haka actually is, it is a war dance, a response to it is expected (look at pacific islanders performing the Cibi, Kailao and Siva tau). If you want to be childish and say that the french response is gay, you could also say the Haka is seriously - they dance before every game? Have you ever thought how many hours training they spend on choreography? Kinda gay eh?

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Pato October 24, 2011 9:21 am

Of courese a response it's expected, and i totally respect the pacific islanders. Why? because it's also their tradition, they do have war dances. But the french doesn't, they just want to show off, cause the freaking arrogant, believe me i'm a student in France and I play in a rugby club here. The have such a big mouth, every time they loose they blame someone else, the referee, the weather...bla bla bla...they need to show off to just disgusting and that's not the values I learned playing rugby. And about the all blacks learning the haka, is not gay because is not just a dance, but it's tradition, they are the ones that always did it, it's their history, and cmon the haka doesn't look girlie. THIS response did. That's my point.

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moddeur October 24, 2011 6:57 pm

There are so many wrongs in your message that I wouldn't know where to start. I also play rugby here in France and in my club a scant few people have a big mouth.
Also, rugby referees have been blamed for everything since the late 19th century. The IRB was invented back then (1886) precisely to start getting people to agree on the reffing ...
"Showoffs" is not a generally used description of the French, normally we are called "pretentious" or "lazy socialists".
As for the alleged "girlie nature" of the French team's response to the Haka, I'm starting to think that was precisely their intent. As in "oh what a nice war dance, here let's hold hands while we watch it ...".

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moddeur October 24, 2011 9:30 pm

Well my comment isn't supposed to appear way down over here in response to a fine message by yawn. Maybe I just can't get anywhere close to Pato's comment (which I originally responded to), being blocked by the halfway line and all ...

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 25, 2011 8:53 am

BLIMEY! France get fined for their response to the Haka! O-O

Sense of humour failure somewhere, methinks. IRB have gone to new depths here. What a bunch of plonkers the IRB is.
Some people really seriously need to get a life. I thought it was alright, and quite amusing.

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Manuel October 23, 2011 5:10 pm

I just hope that for once they'd show someone other than Ali ****ing Williams. He just overplays it.

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agree October 23, 2011 9:26 pm

totally agree!

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i love bacon October 23, 2011 5:11 pm

I think I was most impressed with Trinh-Duc's performance. Wasn't expecting much from him really, given that he had been a bit...underwhelming earlier on. But he came off the bench and went straight into attacking-rugby mode. Great to see him run at the All Black lines (almost nabbing a solo try that first time). Wish France wouldn't have kicked it so much in the second half...running worked well for them the first half, so I was hoping they were going to stay with it.

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AndreJ October 24, 2011 12:12 am

It happened so much in the Tournament. Teams that can run the ball like its glued to thier hands going for long distance lottery kicks. With Frances strong line out they should have kicked one to the corner then get a better shot at goal. It would have made history for a long long time. If France would have won the whole nation would all be at cafes with a could care less att. Thats why they made it. Such cool heads. Unlike Wales. They where all so nervous about winning they lost. French Rugbies are characters. Im deff a fan now. Such cool heads.

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Colombes October 23, 2011 5:31 pm

what a moment it was... great haka and great answer
a great way to challenge the haka, respect and determination
it clearly show how motivated were the french players

like said before, and written in worldwide papers now:
congrats to the All blacks, they were the best side during the last 6 weeks, but france was the best side tonight. Some of Joubert decisions were quite disgraceful... i guess he has become our own "new waynes barnes" :)

but don't count on french fans for being bitter with this defeat. all credits to lievremont and dusautoir for their graceful comments, a glass of red wine and it will be better...
they've make me proud to be french tonight, one day France will win this little cup :)

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LND October 23, 2011 8:08 pm

well done on the performance from Irish fans

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AndreJ October 24, 2011 12:15 am

France Won it to me. But one day it will be offical.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 6:56 am

And yet they flock to sites and voice their opinions on refs, calling joubert a cheat and complaining that they deserved to win, forgetting that the ony reason they made the final was on the back of a french ref giving them a free ride through the semi final.

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Hry October 24, 2011 4:52 pm

What's up, sour Welsh fan.

Actually, if Alain Rolland had reffed the scrums in the semi-final, rather than just letting the Welsh props take a dive every time they came under pressure, France would have walked all over the Welsh. If you're still bitter about what most rational, objective people now agree was a perfectly valid sending off, there's no hope for you.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 11:14 pm

French supporters are the only ones who think it was a valid send off, i like most believe it was a yellow at best.

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Buffalo October 23, 2011 5:46 pm

The idea of challenging the haka is getting a bit clichéd now I think but it was still pretty awesome. I think their 2007 challenge was cooler, and also Wales' in the Millennium Stadium a few years back when they just stood there for ages staring them down. What a game of rugby today. Really fantastic effort by the French, I love them as a rugby nation but I'm glad NZ came out on top as they deserved it overall.

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french dude October 23, 2011 7:04 pm

don't you think the haka itself might also be a little cliché and comercial?

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Yorffeo October 23, 2011 7:13 pm

For sure!
They bore us with their Haka and now the opponent has to stand at least 10 meters out!

This is a challenge, let's respond by another challenge and congrats to the French who played Rugby.

Congrats to McCaw, I'll give him a good 6.0 for his diving performance. Honestly the best in the NZ team.

Other than that well done both teams!
Congrats NZ, and France!

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i love bacon October 23, 2011 9:17 pm

Do you recall around when McCaw "dove"? I remember NZ getting away with plenty at the breakdown and a few high tackles went unnoticed, but I don't recall seeing McCaw dive.

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Buffalo October 23, 2011 7:46 pm

Hmm I never thought that really, I love it! It's tradition!

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dams October 23, 2011 7:19 pm

exceptionnel image d'une équipe au grand coeur, fière d'etre francais merci les bleus et bravo aux Black.

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gerome1982 October 23, 2011 8:05 pm

You guys in NZ just have to thank Mr Joubert for its way of judging the ruck phases.. Mc Caw always offside or playing the ball after tackle... Thank you Mr Joubert for being so neutral and giving the NZ's the world cup they obviously DESERVE to win...
In my opinion, we won so fair enough.
Ugly final for an ugly WC.

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Frenchie October 23, 2011 8:16 pm

Congrats to all the French players, they gave the "mighty" AB a good lesson of humility and proved a lot of people wrong. The "worst" team of the competition played rugby and put the AB on the back foot for 40 min. Heads up!
Dusautoir was immense, i'm sure he put at least 30 tackles in there.

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french dude October 23, 2011 8:27 pm

only 21 actually :) 30 was in 2007 but he sure was fantastic... maybe he should have complained to the ref a little more though, might have open joubert's eyes

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Jeri October 23, 2011 9:49 pm

Actually the lesson of humility was learned (painfully) 4 years ago, that's why the ABs kept their composure and won :). You'll find a lot of us nervous about what the French will throw at us all the way to kick off. But yes! The French put on a performance to shut up the lousy media, whose general negativity and cynicism irritates me to no ends.

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Oliver October 23, 2011 8:33 pm

By the way, could someone explain why teams are not allowed to come close anymore? France did it in 2007, and obviously it got to the Blacks.
Why should they be the only ones allowed to put mental pressure on their opponents before the kick-off?

That being said, congrats to the ABs.

As for les Bleus, they made us proud. And beautifully shut the haters up.

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moddeur October 23, 2011 8:36 pm

A truly fitting final for an otherwise not so awesome world cup. Kudos for NZ for being such an awesome country and such a hospitable nation for the tournament, but I've had my share of deception with some details about this cup (minnow pool games etc).
NZ deserve the victory for their overall rugby achievements from 2007 to 2011, but I'm more focused on being proud that France played with determination and did not lift their foot off the pedal as they often do, just to set a few wrongs right.
The Haka response was cool, though it would have been better had they not held hands. Very cool when they overstepped the halfway line, knowing it would cost them (10,000 pounds sterling I hear).
Kaino, Carter, Weepu, Read, the Franks brothers, Muliana ... there are a lot of great guys in the AB team (although I have to admit I don't have much admiration for McCaw's style of rucking from the side - but I admire his incredible athleticism and good off-the-field behaviour).
It'll be sad to see Harinordoquy and Bonnaire and maybe even Dusautoir go, but each generation has its stars so France will be back, and if stats don't lie then they should be in the semis at least next time around :)

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Fettsack October 23, 2011 8:41 pm

The whole french back row performed really well, it was a great game from Dusautoir, Bonnaire and Harinordoquy. Rougerie was outstanding and Trinh-Duc showed how to run the ball.
Basically if it wasn't for the classical -let's give the AB much more time in the rucks- reftit might have gone the other way.
Apart from this very final, the AB deserved that world cup. They played great rugby for four years and in the tournament.
I also think everybody gives too much credit to McCaw.

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English Morg October 23, 2011 9:03 pm

Just watched the game again. If ever a team was robbed, it was this French side in this game. First two penalties should have been against NZ; not rolling away and dropping the scrum. The play leading up to the NZ penalty and giving them their lat points contained a clear high tackle which was ignored.
NZ were constantly off their feet, and Mcaws counter ruck which resulted in the turnover was utterly and totally from the side.
The French lost that game by a penalty miss and another awful display of referring. Although they now have the cup. NZ should count themselves lucky. They deserve to be world champions on the consistency of their team over the last four years, however they did not deserve to win that game.

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i love bacon October 23, 2011 9:26 pm

You summarize the preferential treatment NZ get from referees and the IRB in general.

I can imagine that if NFL were a more "world-wide" game, and there were international matches, we Americans might get a bit of that, too. But that's just speculation.

Either way, frustrating as it may be, I'd be hesitant to place the blame on a single factor, especially not the referee. Missed calls, wrong calls, etc. were frustrating, but there were other things involved - like France kicking the ball away a few too many times, a couple of real try-saving tackles from NZ, a couple of knock-ons from Les Bleus, a couple of missed penalty kicks from France (at least one of which they should've went for a lineout instead of kicking from ~50m out), etc.

There's too many things that could've changed the outcome of the game to put any blame on Joubert. Criticism, yes...but not blame.

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Eng morg October 23, 2011 9:50 pm

A good point, put very well. The referees are likely to be the subject of close scrutiny in the next few weeks. There are a lot of Welshman and now many many Frenchmen that we feel that for want of better performances from those with the whistle, this world cup could have been very different. I wanted NZ to thrash the French in all honesty; a way of finally accepting the ever talked about divide between the turgid rugby of the northern hemisphere and the antipodal ultimate game. What we saw is NZ grind out the ugliest win imaginable, a performance an England side in the early nineties would have been proud of.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 7:03 am

Not just an english team in the nineties, every team in the history of english rugby.

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mbdefon October 23, 2011 9:04 pm

Hey, Rugbydump! Now that the rwc is over, could you guys make a new Try Savers & Rib Breakers (RWC Edition)? Would be quite entertaining! no?

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TCCalvin October 23, 2011 9:37 pm

Worst, World Cup, Ever.

Where was all the free running, multi try scoring Super Rugby I was promised?

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JG October 23, 2011 9:44 pm

Well done to the French, as an All Black fan I was very impressed with the way the French guys turned up. I don't care what anyone else says, the French deserved their place in the final, and they played their hearts out. I was on the edge of my seat for the full 80 minutes and only thought we could win it when there was about 4 minutes to go.

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Yorffeo October 23, 2011 11:08 pm

It must have been when you saw that Richie McCaw could play the way he wanted in the rucks, or when you saw that the offside rule did not apply to black shirts anymore or maybe when you saw that contesting balls off feet in rucks was considerate legit' if you play home at Eden Park?

Yeah that must have been this moment. Or maybe a little before when high tackle was allowed for one team?

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Moose October 24, 2011 2:05 am

piss and moan piss and moan. You couldn't be any more negative. Great game by france.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 7:09 am

Funny, i also saw plenty of offsides and hands in the ruck from france go unpunished as well. The french seemed to think the middle of the ruck was "last mans foot" or that even after the ruck was formed they could carry on using their hands as much as they want or that they could come from the side and kick the ball ,at times from the half backs hands, so double illegal. But no you had you're eye patch on for those did'nt you.

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Al October 24, 2011 7:34 am

They came in through the gate to kick the ball out of the ruck....

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 1:54 pm

I am not french so I might have a eye patch due to the ignomious NZ press but smaller than you think.
I like NZer people.
But give me the time line for what you say:
For me as English guy said above:

First two penalties should have been against NZ; not rolling away and dropping the scrum. The play leading up to the NZ penalty and giving them their lat points contained a clear high tackle which was ignored.
NZ were constantly off their feet, and Mcaws counter ruck which resulted in the turnover was utterly and totally from the side

And as other people said:
you can't warn a team a couple of times orally, penalize the other team straightaway for the same offense and maintain you reffed the 2 teams equally

They can't be proud of winning a WC like that..
but only the result will count right...but that's because they are NZer.
You did not say the same for the french did you?
Helpless media!

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 2:10 pm

I am not the only not french to find this by the way!

Have you got a favorite one?
Maybe the exact same one: peeru not offside, parra offside? (around 0:30 in the video)

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Al October 24, 2011 2:51 pm

The worst is the blatant penalty with Kaino....
Either joubert is a meany or just an idiot my goodness......
anyway he shouldnt be allowed to ref international rugby refs in german leaugues can ref better :P

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 11:20 pm

You mean the one we're Kaino is on his feet when he goes for the ball then releases it as soon as his knee hits the ground (perfectly legal by the way).
Or where they say Dussetior should have have awarded a penalty even though he made no attempt to release the man before going for the ball (which is illegal) or the last clip where bonnaire (or Hardinqouy) is a good meter off side. Funny how there is no mention of those in that video. And yes there are times when they came through the middle to kick at the ball, but there were twice as many when they didnt.

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benny October 25, 2011 12:53 pm

@ UHtiger
If Kaino is not off his feet he is playing the ball in the ruck ....
so there is a penalty... plus he threw the ball out of so he PLAYED the ball off his feet which gave the new zealander the chance to jump on it because it was THRown out of the ruck....
So defo a penalty...
Also Dussotoire was not involved in the tackle so he jumped in and got "cleared out" by maccaw from the side.. he ran outside the man and came to his legs... if that is not a penalty i dont know what is.
Dusotoire doing a good challenge and newzealand player ont releasing the ball.....

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UHtiger October 25, 2011 10:42 pm

Kaino was the tackler so no, not a penalty and he dosent throw the ball out, it comes out after one of his team mates falls on him. Dusutoir was the tackler.

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Tom October 23, 2011 9:49 pm

Please rugbydump, can you give us some pictures of stephen donald penalty?

I've seen that this penalty was a little controversial on youtube and it would be nice to see this penalty from differents angles to be sure that the ball pass between the goal posts.

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Jeri October 23, 2011 9:50 pm

Congratulations to the All Blacks! World Champions 2011!

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yo October 23, 2011 11:04 pm

Congrates NZ, best team in the wolrd without doubts!!!!
Richie Mc Caw biggest cheatter !!!! Every rucks he is involved in, he cheats !! Referies, please, just think about the rules, not about who is not respecting the rules... Mc Caw is a great player, but he has to be punished too !!!!!

NZ deserves the tournament, France deserves the final...

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WelshOsprey October 24, 2011 12:30 am

When do they name player & team of the tournament?

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HeavyHooker October 24, 2011 1:05 am

RugbyDump, please monitor this site better and specifically Just Call me Ehtch. His comments are disturbing and offensive and have nothing to do with rugby.

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flyingpepper October 24, 2011 1:35 am

Agree if HeavyHooker, all for free speech but the stuff coming from "Just call Me Ehtch" is just wrong. Surely people saying things like that should be kicked of the site.

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azim October 24, 2011 2:02 am

Ignoring some of the comments made by annoying ppl...the french try came about when the french player kick the ball out of the ruck. It happened a couple of times after and it always seem to place pressure on the ABs as it forced them to line up from offence to defence and scramble damn hard. I was just wondering,

-Is this allowed ? (genuine question here my rugby mad bros) and;
-if so under what circumstances?

all in all, I'm pretty damn happy that the All Blacks won. Thrinh Duc was absolutely magnificent when he came on, so was their man mountain of a captain. unfortunately, every game has to have a loser and it just had to be the french.

Effing good world cup all in all. 2015 is to blooody long!

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BuzzKillington October 24, 2011 2:43 am

How can that be considered a challenge to the Haka? They were about 20 meters away! Shame on the IRB for destroying haka confrontations. This isn't even 1% of the France - NZ haka in 2007. Thanks again IRB for ruining another part of the game.

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breakaway October 24, 2011 6:15 am

As a life-long All Blacks fan who's been riding the bumps of the our RWC adventures and misadventures for a quarter century, today I'm feeling pretty OK. France stepped up in a way that every other New Zealander I spoke to during the week knew they would.. and the All Blacks overcame them (just) by what seemed like sheer force of will and determination not to fail. It has always been a strength of the ABs that they can win either way.. free-flowing and scintillating (the preferred option) or they can grind it out if necessary and still come away with the win. Yesterday was a grind and we all know it could have gone either way, games that tight can swing on a fraction of a second of ill-discipline or a momentary slip of judgement. When the French put together 15 phases about 40 metres out inside the final ten minutes it was the best period of disciplined defence that the ABs put on all tournament .. and it had to be.. one fatal whistle and it's another four years. NZ had to grind this one out because the French back-row gave them no other way. Credit to the French for making the ABs play in such a restricted style, forcing the issue in a way most international sides can only ever dream of.
Reading around the sites I see some people saying that it was arrogant to give the French no chance. As I say, I didn't meet one NZer who thought like that, they know their rugby history too well. But the fact is the French had been playing poorly. NZ had beaten them easily, 9th-ranked Tonga had embarrassed them, and they struggled to fall over the line against 14 Welshmen. The French were not highly rated going into the final because they didn't deserve to be. I guarantee that not one of the hindsight geniuses who complain about the pre-match view of France's chances would have put their house on France winning. But the French figured out where their own strength was and they applied it with passion and it damn near worked. Too close for my health, but a terrific final.

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Telling it like it i October 24, 2011 6:35 am

Fact is the Frenchies didn't deserve to be in the finals, firstly they lost two of their pool matches (one loss to Tonga, who are not even the best Pacific Island team), secondly they just managed to beat a pitiful England team in the quarters, and lastly and most embarrassingly, France struggled to beat a Wales team with one man down.

Yes France played extremely well in the finals, I would even agree with most comments that they out played the ABs in the finals (At least in the second-half), but one very good game does not a make you (or deserving) of world champs. Play well throughout the tournament and then maybe...

All you haters out there, get over it, go cry where people give a crap. The fact remains the ABs won and they deserved to win. They went through the pools unbeaten and then put on awesome and clinical display against a very good Aussie side to reach the finals, these facts alone made deserving champs.

See ya in four years, so long you don't die of your broken heart.

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Maximus October 24, 2011 8:21 am

They deserved it as much as any other team. They KNEW BEFORE playing Tonga that losing would still let them reach the quarters, so even if I was SO disappointed with this unexpected loss and the team's behaviour, I have to admit the job was done: they reached the quarters, poorly but they did it. Then the English couldn't play thanks to French pressure. Job done. It's not the French's fault if the English could've played better. Then, they got lucky against Wales. Not because of Warburton's card (I have no doubt they would've played better against a 15-man Welsh team) but because the Welsh missed all their kicks AND they could've been stolen with Halfpenny's imaginary penalty, had it passed.
Following this sort of thinking, Oz shouldn't ve reached the semis since they were outplayed by Saffas. But "ifs" lead to nowhere.

And as I posted before, losing against the ABs at the Eden Park is okay, there is no shame in this, epecially considering the game the Blacks've been playing these last 4 years.
Fact is (and that's why I feel bitter, but not a hater, mind the difference): I can't help thinking on the whole you can't warn a team a couple of times orally, penalize the other team straightaway for the same offense and maintain you reffed the 2 teams equally. Even people who are not die-hard rugby fans saw that (and they weren't French). And THIS was THE FINAL. Now I can't help thinking that with equal treatment, maybe, the best team in the world could have lost. And if (another "if") the best team in the world needs a lil help from the ref to win, maybe it's not the real best team in the world on this match.
I'll mend my IRB broken heart and maybe in 4 years, St André (no more Liévremenont) will lead us to the Rugby Grail.

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Colombes October 24, 2011 9:19 am

Dear Telling it like it i what???)

thx to care about our little broken french hearts
but we are ok don't worry ;) we have other things to concern about, out of rugby (life, work, etc...) seems that's not the case in NZ?

don't count on french for being sour during 4 years, just like new zealanders are after each defeats (waynes barnes in 2007, poison food in 1995)
we will quickly move on as we have already lost many matchs because of ref injustices, as we win sometimes matchs thx to a severe but correct ref decision (vs Wales)

there is not any french "haters" here. NZ title is deserved on the whole tournament. french and worlwide fans are just unhappy with Joubert who just had an eye on french fouls, than kiwis players could do what they want in rucks.
it's not to be bitter, we talk about facts, such as traille forward pass in 2007.
now, i just want to write a song in hommage to "Sir" Mc Caw: "Hey richie, take a walk on the off side" ;)

So enjoy your win, i'm happy for new zealand
drink beers, enjoy holidays, but comon my friend, stop to read the NZ Herald if u want to have a worlwide opinion.
maybe one day our "broken" hearts, as u say, will cheer for a french victory and it will come and happen for a more global rugby

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Jeri October 24, 2011 7:27 am

Actually I believe the French deserved to be in the finals just as the All Blacks deserved to win the Cup. In a game like this, the tallest one is the last one standing - that's just how knock-out competitions work.

The French played great. They finally remembered they have a backbone and played with some urgency - in doing so earning back their dignity.

However their bipolar quality couldn't match up to the steady performer of the tournament. If we have another match between France and All Blacks tomorrow, I'd still tip the All Blacks to win - that's just how it is. The French has shown time and time again that they have the firepower to win games, if they can develop consistency, they'll be the next World Champion in the making.

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Theobit October 24, 2011 9:22 am

I'm agree with I LOVE BACON!

France was better than New Zealand, but how say some french players, when you play against AB, you have to be 2x better than them. And all the french little mistakes are the consequences of the good AB defense.

I'm sure, Joubert was afraid to take some decisions against AB, in front of a NZ public (who was hoping the win during 24 years), but referee is a part of the game, and frenchies had to adapt themself to refereeing!

So congratulation All Blacks, et merci à nos petits français qui ont su se battre avec courage et détermination.

PS: i'm french, and i really didn't like how NZ press talked about France without respect.... Cheers

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Guest October 24, 2011 9:32 am

that was the flying V from the mighty Ducks

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well really October 24, 2011 9:48 am it's zealand have can we perhaps get back to playing rugby....FAIRLY....i mean i realise it's been a long time coming for new zealand, they probably deserve to have won a couple more world cups, but they didn't.....that doesn't mean we should...sorry the IRB....change the rules to suit them...every change that has been made to the game in the last 20 years has been done to suit the kiwis and aussies, every change, and it didnt win them a cup, this one was set up so in favour of the kiwis that even though they choked massively in the final, they just about won, the pools, the arrangement of the fixtures to was getting a bit sickening really, surely even a kiwi can see it......and as for the refereeing directive to the breakdown(MCCAW RIGHT EVERYONE ELSE WRONG) it's just now that they have won can we please just stop the nonsense, i mean i don't see fifa trying to make it easier for brazil to win the world cup, just because they are good at football and their fans are passionate.....and as a sidenote as a young lad i couldn't wait to see new zealand play and of course the haka, but if i ever see another one performed it will be too soon...i was genuinely surprised to see people out celebrating in new zealand...i thought they had more class than that, what was there to celebrate exactly

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 1:28 pm

Whats farcical is people thinking refs give mccaw preferential treatment. They are professionals who's livelihood revolves around their onfield choices. Whats also farcical are the calls that the IRB give special treatment to the team of a country of 4 million. Surely it would be much more beneficial to favour a team from a country with a larger population, as the team wins more often so to would their viewership grow, in countries like england or france it would be hugely more prosperous for the powers that be. But no for some strange reason they give special treatment to a country where the sport is as big as its gonna get? Can you not see the logic.

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Good Game October 24, 2011 2:43 pm

What was there to celebrate exactly? ??

Are you serious. Perhaps the win wasn't as dominating as people would have wished it was but the reffing was consistent in the fact that it was inconsistent for the whole tournament if you are going to argue that point. So until that's all sorted out in my view, ABS win is totally justified considering many teams have either benefited from the reffing to produce the..what do you guys call it over there? ugly win?? ... I thought the French did a magnificent job in the final, the whole V thing was also pretty awesome and just heightened everything however I would be very very disappointed if French won..not as an ABs fan but as a fan of rugby. The RWC is suppose to be all about the 'best of rugby' > Two defeats? and scrape by wins? IF France wants the cup so bad after that.....I don't know what to say because they will always be questioned... this way with the ABS winning NZ becomes the Villain and France the 'heroes'... You should be thanking God that it happened this way.

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Colombes October 24, 2011 2:57 pm

nobody said the All blacks didn't deserve this cup.
most of people here say that didn't deserved it on this final game
U could ask to every french fans, they will say you the same thing : "it was close, the ref certainly help them but all blacks deserve it for all the tournament"
but the fact that many kiwis have (ridiculously) complained during 4 years about the forward pass in 2007, yet, let smile many french fans, regarding mc caw, kaino and read infractions.
Rewatch Joubert performance and u'll be surprised:

don't worry french fans won't complain about it during 4 years, we have a life after rugby but we like objectivity ;)

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Good Game October 24, 2011 4:56 pm

Don't really understand what you are trying to say in "yet, let smile many french fans, regarding mc caw, kaino and read infractions." However I am going to say that perhaps you should know that NZ is happy for the win (even though some people are trying to demean it), doesn't mean we don't sympathise with the French fans....because we know what it's like too....

It's great you have a life outside rugby - it must be so nice to be French! We NZlders only worry about the rugby - who cares about the earthquakes and how much money that will cost us to fix our homes or how many dead wildlife there will be tomorrow on our NZ beaches! Whatever will we complain about now that the rugby is over and we won??!!!

Plz. We won and that is enough for us we are not trying to put down France in any way despite what you may think of the NZ public even though EVERY nation complains about us if it's not mcaw its about the HAKA if its not the HAKA its about something else. Do you honestly think its easy being an All Black supporter? Whatever the French fans feel it is only a fraction.

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Maximus October 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Thanx! This video did me so much good! It's sheer evidence. Nothing will change but at least everyone can see it. And it's not coming from a French, so it's as objective as it can be.

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well really October 24, 2011 9:50 am it's zealand have can we perhaps get back to playing rugby....FAIRLY....i mean i realise it's been a long time coming for new zealand, they probably deserve to have won a couple more world cups, but they didn't.....that doesn't mean we should...sorry the IRB....change the rules to suit them...every change that has been made to the game in the last 20 years has been done to suit the kiwis and aussies, every change, and it didnt win them a cup, this one was set up so in favour of the kiwis that even though they choked massively in the final, they just about won, the pools, the arrangement of the fixtures to was getting a bit sickening really, surely even a kiwi can see it......and as for the refereeing directive to the breakdown(MCCAW RIGHT EVERYONE ELSE WRONG) it's just now that they have won can we please just stop the nonsense, i mean i don't see fifa trying to make it easier for brazil to win the world cup, just because they are good at football and their fans are passionate.....and as a sidenote as a young lad i couldn't wait to see new zealand play and of course the haka, but if i ever see another one performed it will be too soon...i was genuinely surprised to see people out celebrating in new zealand...i thought they had more class than that, what was there to celebrate exactly?

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breakaway October 24, 2011 10:24 am

@well really: your post was nonsense the first time, no need to repeat it.

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John F October 24, 2011 10:32 am

What with the all throat-slitting gestures and the like, a response can only be expected. A rugby match is not a state visit, there should be no rubbish about respecting a 15 metre gap. That's just silly. If you stipulate what the people who are obliged to stand through the Haka are allowed to do then you're just being dumb. It's a challenge, just like a rugby match.

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 2:00 pm

I agree 100%
What should one do when they do their Haka? Nothing just receive the challenge ? show your butt? go back to the dressing room.

if you allow them to get their haka, fine. Let's the other respond the way they want as long as it is not by punching them....Or stop the haka!

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TCCalvin October 24, 2011 10:41 am

Congrats to Richie McCaw for his acceptance of an IRB sponsored victory.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 11:14 am

Yes. Semis onwards were a joke. Poor show, IRB.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 1:34 pm

Yeah because a team that loses twice in the pool stages (once against a country with a population of 180,000) and that splutters to a win against a welsh side who had their bast player sent off by a french ref for 60 minutes of the game are far more deserving than the team who won all their pool games with a bonus point, and comprehensively beat the number 2 team in the semis. The farce of this world cup was that france even made the knockout stages. Wales were far more deserving of being in the final.

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 2:03 pm

Ah ah...good trolling!
That's a cup man.
As long as they have more points than the other they deserve to go on.
End of the story and you deserve nothing!

For the french ref excuse...
are you just discovering who he is? How many times he ref the french, how many red cards he put to them.

Go back to kindergarten thx

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 2:46 pm

Piss orf, the troll that you are. It should have been Kiwis vee Cymru yesterday, if the children of IRB didn't have their way. C*nts they are, total c*nts. Hayley, sing us a song for gawds sake,

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 2:59 pm

Evie Goodman, sing me a song as well please as well, pretty please, please help me in life, blodyn fach wen fach prydferth,

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 3:09 pm

Gram "Burry Port cockles" Parsons and Emmyloy Harris from Tumble, honest....
Supa honest, as if.

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UHtiger October 24, 2011 11:24 pm

Yes thats a cup, new zealand had more points at the end of the game and won. Yet your still on here moaning. Can you not see the irony there.

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Elric October 24, 2011 10:58 am

Why always talking about "deserving" in a sport CUP tournament ???
If you want to be sure that the best team of the world (of course AB !), organize a championship, not a cup !!!
At the beginning of the final, the 2 teams deserve to win... at the end, only one is champion, that's all.
The problem is not about deserving or not, is about fairness of refereeing... THAT is a problem.

For the fun note (for the non french readers, use google trad, but you will probably understand very well ;o>) :

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Matt NZ October 24, 2011 11:59 am

Think the referee Joubert let both sides away with murder come ruck and maul time, wasn't biased as alot more penalty's could have been dished out either way. . . . . and if nz owed the irb we would have won every world cup. . . . .

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Rich Southampton GB October 24, 2011 12:21 pm

thought the french response to the haka was a cheap rip off of the welsh response a couple of years back.. flying V? definitely too much mighty ducks

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LND October 24, 2011 2:33 pm

yeah well done, you really know your stuff, it was done years before the Welsh challenged it. I'm sure it has been done multiple times by other teams also, just not noted in history or recorded for tv.

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IVAN October 24, 2011 12:24 pm

AB's deserve to win. No doubt.
There is one thing about french rugby: I don't really believe in french flair, but french rugby have always produced great warriors and particularly the forwards. I never saw a french team without a good scrum, without aggressiveness and without good tacklers. The french force have always been the forwards.
Sometimes the backs have "the flair" and they are the best team in the world.
This 2011 french team had very good forwards but not the genius in the backlines. In particular the midfield 12-13 was poor (combinaison Rougerie-Mermoz ...).

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Al October 24, 2011 12:56 pm

Eh excuse me ... the new zealand team on the night was useless... the backs didnt produce anything whereas the french backline were amazing.. especially rougerie was exeptional... and to the flair... if coming in the side of the ruck is "flair" then flair sucks....
Trin duc was great to yesterday btw.. his running was awesome....

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Nemeketh October 24, 2011 12:29 pm

About the ref. Check it out this video :
It makes me sick

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 2:26 pm

IRB are a load of arse bandits. Thought Joubert was an alright ref, until yesterday. An absloute total disgrace of a final. Joubert should be mugged for that. IRB puppet.

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Omar le Homard October 24, 2011 12:39 pm

Dear French fans and rugby fans,

It's over unfortunately. Unlucky.

But what a fantastic answer to the sarcasm and criticism of Aussie and NZ newspapers during the whole week (I live in Sydney). Seriously, all the bullshit about the filth and dirt of French players. English tabloids look soft next to that...

Don't feel bitter. I have been watching the TOP 14 games this weekend and we have an amazing generation coming in.

See ya in 2015... No F#@$%^that's too far... See ya for the next 6 Nations!

I'm proud.

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Gregor October 24, 2011 12:58 pm

At the end of the day, France's best performance of the tournament couldnt beat NZ's worst, with a 4th string first five! France is still my 2nd? favourite team though, and Dusautoir is a beast, fully deserved his player of the year award.

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Christophe October 24, 2011 2:45 pm

The penalty was not in !

France should have won this game...thank you Mr Joubert !

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 2:56 pm

Sorry Christophe, although Joubert was very bad on this day because he did not want to be the guy taking decision and losing the WC for NZ, this one is in. There are 2 referees and 3 frenchs around, plus the angle is bad to judge.
I guess we will never have other angles though.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 4:41 pm

Tres bien. What is going on? Qu'est-ce? qui se passe?

IRB? C'est quoi ce bordel?

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Colombes October 24, 2011 3:07 pm

shut up christophe!
this penalty was in. this video is a montage
i don't know why this rumour works but it's simply not true!
the only thing that u can question is the different applications and interpretations of the rules of Mr Joubert:

it's hard, it's sad, sometimes it goes in your way, sometimes not
but france definetly deserve to win this cup one day, maybe in 2015

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mbdefon October 24, 2011 4:12 pm

that's an icredible video.. but it's over. past stays in the past.

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Yorffeo October 24, 2011 3:46 pm

100% agree with you Colombes! There are 3 french around a full stadium and 2 referees on the post. This penalty is in, end of the story
The only thing I am not happy with is the consistent one eyed referring in this final.
It is not an error or two going AB's's just a referee not being up to the occasion...

The best example is the offside of Parra and the late penalty (the 4 penalties action as they call it in the video)
Would this have changed the result? I don't know, we'll never know, but at least the victory would have been beautiful and I would have been happier for the AB. I am just bitter for the French (and that does not happen often!)
Congratulation France

(and about all the non sense of: AB deserved to win the world cup because of their display during the tournament…hmm that’s a CUP guys …so yes they deserve to be #1 in the IRB ranking but on the final game, I beg to differ)

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Pretzel October 24, 2011 4:28 pm

Hmmmm, I don't why we are all still so hung up on the Haka.....I mean are we all so bitter that the only thing we can have a dig about is the Haka?!?!

I mean, personally I love it, and I think if we keep the "commercial" Haka then we keep the "commercial" responses...

I'm with Colombes on this one, or at least his video link that was posted..

As the commentators said, its nothing against NZ, lets face when playing rugby we tend not to be the most honest people about, and we play the referee.

But one thing that really got to me was this whole "Poor NZ they haven't won it in 24 years" shit... What about poor old france who have NEVER won it....

I mean, I actually wonder what the world would be like today if NZ had lost that match... I mean there are immense celebrations going on in the streets because of it, but if they had lost it? would we be looking at a ghost town NZ? who the NZ citizens "hate" the NZ team.... I mean, losing to the FRENCH, the same french that lost pool games?!?!? would the rugby world be a big shambles of bitterness and travisty?!?

i.e. is it better for the rugby universe that NZ won the game?!...pre written?

No doubt they were the best team consistently in the tournament, but I have to wonder how so few decisions went Frances way.

But a big congratulations to New Zealand, they played the games in front of them and we can't exactly expect them to not accept the trophy, heck they won it, the score was 8-7 to them!

So commiserations France, you played very well.

Congratulations NZ, you played very well overall, however I felt the nerves from you guys on the night.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 4:32 pm

IRB have made a total mess of this WC, semis onwards. Quite cringing it has turned out. Heads need to roll, gullotine like.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 5:03 pm

suck on it kiwis - your world cup winning was pre-organised by your mates at the IRB.
Wales/Cymru and Jamie Roberts and the taffy lads would have easily slaughtered you Kiwis yesterday, if allowed by the IRB. Song,
fuck you IRB. Up your own bumholes the lot of you are. Pre-organised reffed matches - FUCK-RIGHT- OFF-OUT-OF-MY-LIFE will you! c*nts, true total c*nts.

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Just Call Me Etch October 24, 2011 5:16 pm

Ok. I'll come clean, I have something in the rise of welsh rugger and welsh society in their strength. My secret weopons I will not divulge, but it is basicsally based on simple love to your next person, male or female. It has caught on, as CXymru has performed. Efficiency in character is not hard work and can easily go far. Ok, call me a trick cyclist if you want, but you won't find me in the phonebook, englishman. I have had enough of you english, suffereing your sorts. CYMRU AM BYTH! Can,
ow-ow-ow move-moooove cants...

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 5:21 pm

Bristol Police Station - have it. wooow,

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Pretzel October 24, 2011 5:42 pm the nicest possible you ever shut the fuck up?!?

Stop being such a whiny football bitch...

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 8:37 pm

Pretzel - are you talking to me? If so, come and meet me and waste yourself. Fighting Sharpe men are necessary in life, but you are obviously not. grab wrist, twist, turn, head wring, dead. Get it friend? pussy life liverer. Go back under mamas skirt, little boy. That sort of thing I am trained to do, when called, while you are in your bunker, keeping your head down. And also by the way, small knob, don't bother me again, lowlife.

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 24, 2011 8:44 pm

Pretzel the sudden Mr who-to-hear twonk, have this, episode three from Bristol Police Central Station, slam the lot of you c*nts, 'ave it, move, Mooooo oove, twats,

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Pretzel October 24, 2011 10:35 pm

Yes I was talking to you.

Funny that you presume I am a civvy, funny how you also presume I am English, and funny how you presume you can kill me "just like that."

As for the references to genitalia over and over again, I'd say you have sexual issues which go way deeper than you remember. Good luck sorting that stuff out.

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JustCall Me Ehtch October 25, 2011 9:24 am

Don't take it that way, Pretzel - can't you tell when someone is winding your springs up? And no, I do not want to waste you, just laugh at you. All the best, you clock. Get a spine lad.

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Pretzel October 25, 2011 3:18 pm

I have a spine, its what allows me to sit upright and be able to type this.

Why would you presume that I am spineless? What incredible clues have I given away about my personality? That fact I don't shoot my mouth off at every opportunity?

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Just Call Me Entch October 25, 2011 10:57 pm

Sheesh - let's agree to disagree then, and all that bollocks, Pretzel. I'm from Wales, Carmarthenshire, and proud of it - where perchance in the World are you from, friend? Gloucestershire? Or am I wrong, again?

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Pretzel October 27, 2011 6:00 pm

You should give up on the John Edward front, you couldn't guess your way out of a wet paper bag...

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mbdefon October 24, 2011 6:45 pm

This pretty much sums up this match.. the all blacks not releasing and rucking unlawfully. and a terrible McCaw. :)

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mbdefon October 24, 2011 6:45 pm

This pretty much sums up this match.. the all blacks not releasing and rucking unlawfully. and a terrible McCaw. :)

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Guily October 24, 2011 7:11 pm

Hey Pato, what do you think about this haka :
War dance ? Or just... girlie dance ?

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proudtobefrench October 24, 2011 7:19 pm

you can say all you want, yesterday we have seen a great game . France could win , the have to you win, just on this game . if you like rugby you have to be fair-play , and tell that Craig joubert hasn't been very good . But for all world cup 2011 , it's totally normal that New zealand has win .

Proud to be french

always alone against the world

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joeythelemur October 24, 2011 9:27 pm

Great match, can't believe all the whinging on here though about Joubert. Wish you all had class equal to Dusautoir, who after the match simply said the breakdown is notoriously difficult to referee, calls could have gone both ways, and that they just weren't quite good enough on the day. Lievremont said much the same thing. Get over it. This from a neutral American.

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joeythelemur October 24, 2011 9:30 pm

I'm also guessing that some of the bashing here has to do with the over-the-top media treatment of the French team. Shocking how the NZ press (and others) didn't refrain from that, knowing what France has done to them in the past.

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Colombes October 24, 2011 10:16 pm

yep, i guess that many french fans have been hurt by some words used by nz medias and try to have their revenge on blogs. but there are very few
most of french fans are proud of the french players performance than bitter towards the ref. it was clear that joubert would be under pressure, he shited on himself on breakdown decisions. let's hope that France will win the ellis cup that frogs clearly deserved

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Al October 24, 2011 9:43 pm
found this ... dont know if this always happens in pro rugby :D
but it would be a straight red or not? :D

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joeythelemur October 24, 2011 10:37 pm

Haha, surely a red! I've seen that before, always funny. Love how it looks like they're all part of a beginner line dance class, watching the teacher, just waiting for the one move they all know at the end!

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skiweb October 25, 2011 12:47 am

Great attitude of France. Broke the impact of the Haka and showed that he was not there to make life easy for AB, and their iIntentions made ??clear just ...
AB Congratulations for winning the RWC final. But this game ... was a "close call".

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skiweb October 25, 2011 12:47 am

Great attitude of France. Broke the impact of the Haka and showed that he was not there to make life easy for AB, and their iIntentions made ??clear just ...
AB Congratulations for winning the RWC final. But this game ... was a "close call".

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Frenchie October 25, 2011 1:01 am

Need to get it out of my chest now!
Mc Caw is the best cheat on the rugby planet, and has been for years...why is that?
I have no respect for this AB team, it was the final and they won so i guess no Kiwi fan would say anything. Would it be any other game they'd be fuming with rage.

The Kiwis played crap rugby, played like pantsies, slowing down the ball and should have been penalised for that. Full stop.

Shame on you Joubert! This guy was a Joke that day.

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UHtiger October 25, 2011 4:36 am

Call him a cheat all you want, he'll still go down in history as one of the greatest players in the history of the game.
Its just come out that Thierry eye gouged Richie towards the end of the game. Mccaw pushes the boundaries but at least he doesnt risk permanantly damaging someones eyesight.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 8:34 am

this is a claim by a kiwi journalist.....and he only says Dusautoir "was there"!! how vague can you get!

"Quinn said it wasn't clear in the video whether Dusautoir was responsible for the eye-gouging, but said the blindside flanker, who was named man of the man match, was "right there"."

(source : )

on the other hand everyone has clearly seen how McCaw demolished Parra's face. And I'm pretty sure that was deliberate. After all your whining against Quade Cooper....Get real.

Unlike Frenchie, I still have respect for the ABs but I've sincerely lost some. Especially for McCaw who was offside during half the Cup.
And I've lost some respect for your whole country as well, I'm sorry to say.
The NZ press was a disgrace (still is apparently) and booing the opposing kicker is plain lame.

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Yorffeo October 25, 2011 10:39 am

Couldn't agree more

It is as if winning the WC was not enough to stop the whinning from AB!
Yes most people lost some respect for the AB thanks to this WC.

Public booing an injured player going out of the field, shitty press,
I won't say anything on the refering this time

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UHtiger October 25, 2011 12:28 pm

Actually, i give my sincerest apologies to Dusautoir. It was actually Rougerie who committed the disgusting act of eye gouging, and yes they do have close up footage of it. Be as upset as you want over reffing decisions but when you risk someones eyesight over a game, your lower than a dog in my opinion.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 1:15 pm

Pretty shameful act by Rougerie I'll admit.
So the french are dirty and the ABs are angels?

Yeah right. What McCaw did to Parra is just as bad.

I used to think the ABs are a magic team you know....Really.
But not anymore.
I've seen they are a team like any other. Not above dirty tricks, like the supposedly "filthy" Frenchies.

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 2:59 pm

Nice straw man, Oliver: nobody's saying the ABs are angels. All rugby teams play to the edge of the law.

Shameful that you would equate an accidental knee to the head while clearing out Dusautoir with Rougerie's gouge, which could cost a man his eyesight. Even if you think McCaw copped Parra on purpose, they're not even remotely the same.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 3:27 pm

Joey, I don't remember the French press accusing the AB's of "filth".
Which is why some of us are bit aggro.

"All rugby teams play to the edge of the law."
Fair enough. But that's not what your newspapers and some former players said.

As for McCaw and Parra: IT'S NOT HIS KNEE, IT'S A PUNCH.
He was trying to clear Dusautoir with his fist closed?? Come on.

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 8:45 pm

First off, it's not "my newspapers". I'm not a Kiwi. I don't have anything against the French; just scroll up a ways and you'll see that I agree that the NZ press treated the French team and the whole of the tournament with disrespect. Ridiculous stuff was said.

"He was trying to clear Dusautoir with his fist closed?? Come on."

I can see that we're just not going to agree on this. I don't think an open or closed hand position even crosses the mind of a player or coach when it comes to rucking, but apparently a closed hand is somehow unbelievable in your case. It wasn't a punch.

But even if it was, are you still claiming that it's "just as bad" as a headbutt followed by an eye gouge? As you say, come on.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 9:00 pm

To clear a player, you have to grab him. And to grab him, you have to have an open hand. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sorry if I jumped to conclusions there, but as I said, the Kiwi media got to my nerves.

As for Rougerie, I see no headbutt.
And yes to me, the McCaw thing is just as bad, if not worse. Why? Because I can understand a player doing a stupid thing a the end of a frustrating game, when a player like McCaw is never penalized, and constantly offside. It just happens.
As for Parra on the other hand, I have the awful feeling the AB's purposely targeted him as our kicker. Just like they targeted O'Driscoll in 2009. The AB's calling other teams dirty just drives me up the wall...

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 10:32 pm

Well, I don't believe all clear outs require a player to be grabbed, but that's as far as that needs to go.

A terrible quality video, from NZ media, so ignore the commentators if you like, but it sure looks like a headbutt, then a rake.

As for equating the two actions, you're digging deeper.

So "you can understand a player doing a stupid thing at the end" even if it's a gouge? "It just happens"?? That's simply ridiculous. There's a reason why Ghiraldini was banned for 15 weeks; it cannot be tolerated, regardless of the situation. The moral equivalence you stated is staggering. You would "understand" if McCaw cops a potential career-ending injury because you think he's playing offside? If Rougerie headbutts or works in a punch or two, OK, I could see that as "it just happens". As you said, "Pretty shameful act"

"The AB's calling other teams dirty just drives me up the wall.." Again, the filth stuff came from one former player whose scrotum was torn open playing against the French (so he's probably a bit sensitive there ;-). Not classy things to say, but you make it sound like the NZ team itself called the French dirty. On the contrary, both teams were class enough to leave it on the field. McCaw didn't say anything, and Dusautoir and Lievremont both said they just weren't good enough. No whining, no complaining, just class.

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 10:41 pm

Looks like this has moved to its own thread here, but here is a longer and better quality version of the video.

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Rugbydump October 25, 2011 11:00 pm

Better quality on the homepage, with discussions etc. Cheers

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Oliver October 26, 2011 2:52 pm

please watch this and then we'll talk about bad reps and career-ending injurys....

As for Rougerie, someone did talk to the journalists right? They should either have cited Rougerie, or shut up. Don't bring the media into this.

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nemo34 October 25, 2011 6:54 am

New-Zeland may have won the world cup. But as far as I'm concerned, this country lost all the respect and admiration I may have had for them. The kiwi press has been pathetic to such an extent their headlines will be remembered for years. Few people on earth may pretend the referring of the final was fair. We french were robbed.

Kiwis, you won the Cup but this Cup is tainted with fraud and treachery. The honor you lost that day will not be easily regained.

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Jontye93 October 25, 2011 8:21 am

Agreed. They were unbelievably biased. Furthermore, didn't really like they way the new zealanders treated cooper. Sure there were those incidents of him and mccaw but for him to be booed every time he touches the ball is uncalled for perhaps?

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UHtiger October 25, 2011 12:31 pm

We were all saying this final would be filled with france stooping to foul play too win and as footage of Rougerie shows just that (eye gouging Mccaw) i guess our opinion of the french side was founded.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 1:43 pm

That happened at the 77th minute. Not exactly what I call "stooping to win". It's more about players getting frustrated with McCaw never being penalised and trying do dispence justice on their own.

On the other hand, demolishing the opposing striker after 17 minutes of play, now THAT is "stooping to win".

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Tim October 25, 2011 2:52 pm

Eye-gouging is justice? No wonder you guys have a bad rep re: eye-gouging. All it did was prove all the press right about the French being dirty in the week leading.

And get you hand off it about the knee being deliberate. Anyone with any respect can see it was an accident.

For me, it actually helped France with Trinh-Duc playing so well (with the help of some NFL style blocking paving the way that has been conveniently ignored by everyone)

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Oliver October 25, 2011 3:33 pm

Oh it helped us?? Of course, how could I be so dumb! McCaw is such a nice bloke....
Now come on. An accident? He punched him. Closed fist. If you've played yourself, you know those things are not accidents.

As for the bad rep, I think a lot of it has to with the language barrier.
And on that note: ton respect, tu peux te le foutre au cul, profond.

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Colombes October 25, 2011 3:10 pm

i hate eye-gouging, i think rougerie lost the plot when he saw mc caw offside for the 34th time of the match. will ser if he take a ban.
but, u can't say that france used cheap shots to try to win it as it happened at the 78th minute...

new zealand have been crap during this final and nz medias just try to cover it with "dirty french stories". what a poor mentality... what next? pape spitting on a provocative cameraman? french players pics doing party? french deserve it because of rainbow warrior? ...

french have got nothin vs nz, lievremont, dusautoir and much fans had just good words towards nz... but seems that kiwis has really got a real problem with france
enjoy your victory, drink beers, try to save the honour that your medias are putting down.

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Jeri October 25, 2011 8:02 am

Oh I don't know about that. Everyone thought Les Bleus have lost their backbones when they were incapable of scoring a try against 14 men, but with 60 minutes of outstanding performance on Sunday night they manage to win back their dignity. And behold - the media are singing them praises again.

However as a kiwi I agree the French ought to be recognise for the heart they've shown in the final game, and I was very disappointed with the media writing off the Les Bleus before the match - treating them like jokes as if 2007 never existed.

The press has a bipolar quality. They're good one day, and they're woeful the next. There's no consistency whatsoever, I'm not surprised that people don't respect them.

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Jontye93 October 25, 2011 8:17 am

I think teams should be allowed to challenge the haka. I mean what gives the all blacks the right to show actions of slitting their necks and then other teams have to just stand there and look pretty? Simply moving forward doesnt do anything to the haka, at most it makes it nicer to watch.

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 1:59 pm

Well, they ARE allowed to challenge the haka. What makes you think that they aren't? It's expected that there is some sort of response.

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Isaac October 25, 2011 9:10 am

This world cup will go down in history as a GIANT WHINGE-FEST. Congratulations Rugby Fans, you are now the biggest crybabys/moaners in all of sport!!!! Idiots!!!!

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Just Call Me Ehtch October 25, 2011 9:52 am

So what's new? Us rugger followers pride ourselves in whinging. The best whingers in the World we are, especially when Cymru lose, or win...

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Jury October 25, 2011 9:48 am

The same AB coaching staff should be retained to defend the cup in England or wait for 24years.

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Yorffeo October 25, 2011 10:41 am

NOW the French are fined for challenging the Haka!

What should they do? Play cards?

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Jimmy October 25, 2011 10:49 am

I despair when I see people here making broad, insulting generalisations, "New Zealanders are .........., the French are ........." We all need to relax a bit, and enjoy the fact that we just got to watch 50 odd games of rugby, how awesome was that?! Bring on 2015!


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Yorffeo October 25, 2011 11:29 am

I agree.
Can we burn the press? This should help!

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Elric October 25, 2011 10:56 am

""" IRB imposed a penalty of 2875 euros XV of France for its response to the Haka of New Zealanders, reported Tuesday. Gathered around Thierry Dusautoir, the French had made ??"V" before advancing to the Blacks Kapa o Pango.
The IRB has sanctioned the fact that Les Bleus have exceeded the median line of ten meters, that the regulations forbade them to do. """
10 meters ?! IRB is even CRAP to measure a distance !

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remuus October 25, 2011 11:28 am

Even if it looks gay (what is not my opinion) what's the problem with that? Do you have something about gay people?

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cheyanqui October 25, 2011 12:33 pm

To all of those posting conspiracy theories about Stephen Donald's PK --

"wide, and to the right. wide and to the right"

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Oliver October 25, 2011 1:57 pm

compères français : Moscato avait tout prévu !
(rire jaune)

English speakers: former French international complained back in april about outlawing of rucking, saying players like McCaw use it to constantly be offside. Funny as hell too.

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bib160 October 25, 2011 2:20 pm

I am badly disappointed by the arrogance of NZers. I thought the french were the arrogant ones.
Sunday i saw 22 proud french guy who wanted to redeem themselves after a poor game against Wales (and an overall poor world cup), who stood up against the war dance. Made me even prouder to be french.

one the other hand what i saw from the NZ side wasn't respectful at all.
They took two days off during the week before the final as if France was beatable without having to practice.
during the game i saw players cheating and taking advantage of the pressure which was on the ref shoulders
After the game i haven't heard a single comment from the all black players or staff saying that France played a good game (which is usully done after a great final like this).
And now the NZ herald accuses Dusautoir of eye gouging without any proof.

I admired the rugby you produced during the last 4 years but what you did during this final was a disgrace for you country.

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Tim October 25, 2011 2:39 pm

They had days off to recover, unlike the French in 99' who had a 4-day party after the semi-final win over the All Blacks (Livermont said himself), was that respecting the Wallibies?

I think you'll find the All Black didn't give the French much respect after the game because of this:

Is that respecting your opponent?

P.S. the herald didn't say Dusautoir did it, just that he was close by and offered not explanation (personally I think that point is a bit harsh on Dusautoir)

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bib160 October 25, 2011 3:01 pm

The players said afterward that they played the semi against NZ as a final and forgot about the final and none of them was proud of what they did this day.

Thking the thursday of for recovery??? sounds weird to me but if you say so...

If what shown on the link is proved to be true rougerie must be penalised for it but i'm 100% if you look for the same kind of thing from a black player you'll find it.
MacCaw (and all NZ players) were consistently off side on every single ruck just to slow down the french offense. If you ever played rugby you should know that this kind of thing has to be punished some way, the ref didn't take his responsibility so the french players made their own justice.

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Tim October 25, 2011 3:04 pm

As so people can make up their own minds instead buying all this rubbish about McCaw doing something as bad as Rougerie (and deliberately) here is the McCaw knee.

Make up your own minds.

If the French think that just as bad, it goes along way to explaining how they get their reputation.

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pilapica October 25, 2011 3:15 pm

hey guys, chill

on a lighter note, any one notice that nonu did the haka wrongly, he was lagging by a phase. pretty funny sight.

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Oliver October 25, 2011 3:25 pm

Joey, I don't remember the French press accusing the AB's of "filth".
Which is why some of us are bit aggro.

"All rugby teams play to the edge of the law."
Fair enough. But that's not what your newspapers and some former players said.

As for McCaw and Parra: IT'S NOT HIS KNEE, IT'S A PUNCH.
He was trying to clear Dusautoir with his fist closed?? Come on.

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Tanora October 25, 2011 4:56 pm

I'll keep this short. New Zealand did not deserve to win that match. France were the better side on Sunday and the referee was too gutless, incompetent and/or biased to allow them the opportunity to win. It was extremely frustrating to watch even as a neutral.

I'll repost this clip from above:

PS. I'm neither French nor a Kiwi (nor Australian).

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joeythelemur October 25, 2011 8:55 pm

This word "deserve" keeps popping up. You all follow sport; "deserve" rarely has anything to do with it. Yes, France may have deserved to win the final, but they didn't. Wales may have deserved to win the semi, but they didn't. South Africa may have deserved to win their quarterfinal, but they didn't. Ireland footballers deserved to go to WC2010, but France got the benefit of that refereeing, didn't they?

Teams feel hard done by refs all the time, yes, including the All Blacks. People need to let it go.

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Tanora October 25, 2011 11:43 pm

Sorry Joey, I was a bit ambiguous for your tastes. I'll try and be clearer.

They would not - I repeat, WOULD NOT - have won if the refereeing had even close to fair and impartial. Not only did NZ not deserve to win that final, they should not have won. They were aided and abetted by possibly the most biased refereeing performance I have ever seen. Had it not been for the help they received from the ref, they would not have won that World Cup.

The French will rightly feel extremely aggrieved, and neutrals everywhere will feel short-changed by what they watched. But hey, at least NZ got their World Cup, eh? Who cares that the tournament was cheapened and its credibility tarnished by a bullshit finale? NZ got their World Cup but I respected them more before the tournament.

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Kiwi123 October 25, 2011 6:21 pm

Only if the French stop eye gouging and head butting - winners are grinners, losers make excuses...

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next thiery dusautoi October 26, 2011 10:56 am

fair play to the all blacks most of the pressure was on them throughout the tournament, but i still wanted france to win and this talk about france getting fined over them approching the haka is nonsense. thats wat the haka is all about laying down a challenge and accepting that challenge.

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Manawatu majic October 27, 2011 6:02 am

Next Thiery dusautoi, The talk about the fine isn't because the French challenged the haka, It's because they crossed the half way line while walking towards the Allblacks. In my opinion (as an All black supporter) I thought that what the French did was very creative and definatly effective, personally i agree with what they did, it show'd courage and also integeraty. However, i also believe that it was wrong of them to cross over the half way line and if they are fined for that i wouldn't be supprised. The All blacks were strictly told a few years ago they were not allowed to cross the half way line either, and they have followed that obligation ever since. Still it was incredibly exciting to watch!

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