Monday, November 07, 2011
Huge amateur hit from club rugby in Buenos Aires, Argentina
Over the course of the last two weeks there have been loads of emails and tweets sent in saying that this big tackle from Argentina should be posted on RD. While amateur clips being featured here isn't the norm, this one is pretty good.
It comes from Buenos Aires and a game between San Isidro Rugby Club (S.I.C), and Club Atletico San Isidro (C.A.S.I), in what I'm told is one of the most important games in the league.
What is clear is that it was one helluva tackle, and despite some of the players looking as though they thought it was a bit early or without the ball, it seemed to be timed perfectly as the hit was made as the hapless victim caught it.
Since posting this earlier, I've been told that the guy who made the tackle is named Carlos 'Charly' Roldan, a flank from SIC, and it's on flyhalf Fedrico Thomann. Roldan is fairly well known in those parts as he's played Argentina u20's with players such as Gonzalo Tiesi & Juan Manuel Leguizamon.
In the next few months we might look into opening things up towards accepting more amateur clip submission here on RD. It's something we've toyed with for years now actually, and it will no doubt prove quite popular, even if its just random posts once or twice a month.
For now though, there has just had been another good weekend of rugby in the northern hemisphere, so please feel free to share requests about stuff you saw or heard about that you'd like to be featured. You can do so via the forum or with the contact page.
In other news, seeing as this clip is from Argentina, it was earlier announced that next years expanded Tri Nations tournament - that will include New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, and newcomers Argentina - has now been named. It will be called The Rugby Championship.
The draw will be announced later today, but for now we know the name, and that all sides will play each other home and away, for a total of six Test matches. More to follow.
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RedYeti November 07, 2011 3:27 pm
Holy shit, that was bigger than any of the hits I saw in the World Cup...
Xenophile November 07, 2011 3:41 pm
Biggest hit I've ever seen on a rugby pitch...
moddeur November 07, 2011 3:50 pm
I feel for the guy receiving the tackle, for a few days he'll walk like a penguin and take hours to put on his shirt.
About the "amateur" nature of this footage, given that all rugby in Argentina is amateur, given the apparent amount of spectators, and given that it's been filmed in a pro manner, this surely means that we are watching a high level of local rugby. In France we have about 9 levels of competitive amateur rugby (and an extra tenth level for non-competitive which I play in -- "non-competitive" meaning that we don't have a strict calendar for matches and don't play for any prizes) -- the highest levels ("Fédérale") are pretty damn good as they suck in a lot of older top-level players (like Jonah Lomu...), and it must be somewhat similar in other countries.
About the "amateur" nature of this footage, given that all rugby in Argentina is amateur, given the apparent amount of spectators, and given that it's been filmed in a pro manner, this surely means that we are watching a high level of local rugby. In France we have about 9 levels of competitive amateur rugby (and an extra tenth level for non-competitive which I play in -- "non-competitive" meaning that we don't have a strict calendar for matches and don't play for any prizes) -- the highest levels ("Fédérale") are pretty damn good as they suck in a lot of older top-level players (like Jonah Lomu...), and it must be somewhat similar in other countries.
la November 07, 2011 4:36 pm
This game it between what we call the "Pre-Intermedia" of two first division teams. Pre-Intermedia is the third team in importance, and obviously skills in every club. Although amateur, Argentinian rugby level is quite good.
Max November 07, 2011 4:37 pm
Yes, CASI vs SIC is the biggest game in the Buenos Aires province (much like River-Boca for football fans), which has the largest amount of rugby clubs in the country . This is because SIC was founded by some players that were expelled from CASI some 70 years ago, and both of them hace their pitches in the same city (San Isidro).
Both teams play at the higest level of amateur rugby in Argentina, but this game is either the 2nd or 3rd team, not the 1st XV.
When the 1st XV meet, you have arounf 3000/4000 people watching, and it is quite a show, with lots of singing and jumping from supporters (Latin blood at its fullest, jaja)
Both teams play at the higest level of amateur rugby in Argentina, but this game is either the 2nd or 3rd team, not the 1st XV.
When the 1st XV meet, you have arounf 3000/4000 people watching, and it is quite a show, with lots of singing and jumping from supporters (Latin blood at its fullest, jaja)
Fettsack November 07, 2011 4:54 pm
Beautiful hard perfectly legal tackle!
It's probably relatively high amateur level, seeing the surrounding of the pitch.
It's probably relatively high amateur level, seeing the surrounding of the pitch.
Juggernauter November 07, 2011 5:16 pm
This is a match from the top division of arengitean rugby (even the best is amateur). SIC v Casi is one of the biggest fixtures as it's the San Isidro neighborhood classic, held in Buenos Aires. It's something like Racin Metro v Stade Francias in Paris.
The attendances for the knockout stages of the URBA top 14 (the competition's name) is good, as it's more familiar and friendly, given the amateur spirit. Several of the Argentina U20's team play in these clubs, and many more who now played in Europe started playing rugby here. Now with the PLADAR (High Perfromance Programme) the best players in Argentina are starting to develop into Test players and a couple of the PUmas players at RWC 2011 were playing here (like Imhoff, Farias, Senatore..)
The attendances for the knockout stages of the URBA top 14 (the competition's name) is good, as it's more familiar and friendly, given the amateur spirit. Several of the Argentina U20's team play in these clubs, and many more who now played in Europe started playing rugby here. Now with the PLADAR (High Perfromance Programme) the best players in Argentina are starting to develop into Test players and a couple of the PUmas players at RWC 2011 were playing here (like Imhoff, Farias, Senatore..)
Rugbydump November 07, 2011 5:37 pm
Thanks for all the info. The post is now updated with the player names.
Andrew Bates November 07, 2011 6:20 pm
Good, legal hit.
What a rubbish name. OK, so 4 nations had gone, but they could have called it the Quad Nations (building on the Tri Nations) or the Southern Giants or anything as bland and non-specific as The Rugby Championship. Uggh, how pants.
What a rubbish name. OK, so 4 nations had gone, but they could have called it the Quad Nations (building on the Tri Nations) or the Southern Giants or anything as bland and non-specific as The Rugby Championship. Uggh, how pants.
Javier Xavier November 07, 2011 8:06 pm
booooooommmmmm. This deserved a soundtrack.
Javier Xavier November 07, 2011 8:07 pm
At the end of the clip you can see the player getting up with a spring though. Good for him.
bnations November 07, 2011 8:43 pm
It already has one. You can hear the hit on the replay. Awesome!
Guy November 07, 2011 8:16 pm
That is as good as it gets. Beeeaaaauuuutifull hit!!
BuzzKillington November 07, 2011 8:39 pm
Great tackle but nothing other worldly and the poor video footage is a disappointment. Not really sure it justifies being posted tbh, because hits like that happen all the time. RD could end up flooded with poorly filmed big tackles if that's considered worthy enough.
Would rather see some of the fights and big hits from the Aviva Prem and Top 14 these last few weeks
Would rather see some of the fights and big hits from the Aviva Prem and Top 14 these last few weeks
donkeyballs4000 November 07, 2011 9:06 pm
Living up to your name. That's one of the best hits I have ever seen, Brian Lima would be proud.
Walden November 07, 2011 9:12 pm
So, why don't you do us all a favor and upload the clips to youtube. Then you can create a thread in the Request forum and maybe we'll all get to see it. Obviously, this clip was requested by many (you read the write-up, right?), so lo and behold it's on the front page.
And I'm not being sardonic. I really haven't watched much of this year's Aviva Premiership, so if there's something extraordinary that happened, and you caught it, go ahead and contribute. It'd be appreciated, I'm sure.
And I'm not being sardonic. I really haven't watched much of this year's Aviva Premiership, so if there's something extraordinary that happened, and you caught it, go ahead and contribute. It'd be appreciated, I'm sure.
Disco November 16, 2011 2:30 pm
This is one of the most perfectly timed hits I've seen in 25 years playing and watching rugby.
i love bacon November 07, 2011 8:39 pm
That was amazing. I was expecting a big hit, but not that! Awesome stuff. I've watched it about a dozen times now, and it just keeps getting better. Perfect timing, posture, technique - that's one hell of a good tackle.
As for the SH tournament: ...next years expanded Tri Nations tournament...will be called The Rugby Championship.
Yeah, and Lansdowne is "Aviva Stadium". This is just the Four Nations tournament, despite whatever supercilious official name it may have.
As for the SH tournament: ...next years expanded Tri Nations tournament...will be called The Rugby Championship.
Yeah, and Lansdowne is "Aviva Stadium". This is just the Four Nations tournament, despite whatever supercilious official name it may have.
Hry November 07, 2011 9:07 pm
How about the Quad Nations?
Disappointing to see some members of the other team square up to the tackler. If it had been high, early, late, no arms etc, sure, but not when it's just a great, hard tackle.
Disappointing to see some members of the other team square up to the tackler. If it had been high, early, late, no arms etc, sure, but not when it's just a great, hard tackle.
Pretzel November 07, 2011 9:17 pm
Pffft, uh huh Buzz.... Has the "this happens every game in the SH" started already?!?!
jsjgdjdjgj November 07, 2011 10:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qNJ82eyi_M&NR=1
this is a amazing tackle to manuel contempomi , the brother o felipe and the centr of los pumas in rwc 2007
this is a amazing tackle to manuel contempomi , the brother o felipe and the centr of los pumas in rwc 2007
trc93 November 07, 2011 11:00 pm
que pena que no tengan en cuenta el rugby de argentina y mas el de cordoba que salio campeon.Pongan un clasico tala vs tablada van a ver lo que es goma
Canadian Content November 07, 2011 11:14 pm
Loved this RD! Huge tackle, I called a colleague to come see it!
Buzzkillington you truly are the king of kings, please continue to shower us with your wealth of knowledge and infinite wisdom, if only the world was ruled by learned men like yourself
Buzzkillington you truly are the king of kings, please continue to shower us with your wealth of knowledge and infinite wisdom, if only the world was ruled by learned men like yourself
Rodofle November 08, 2011 1:00 am
Sorry RD, no offence, but man you're becoming so lame... Is that all what you have to give us !!?? Bring back the old RD !
Disco November 16, 2011 7:47 pm
I completely disagree with Rodofle; can you play that Lana Del Rey track "video games" that they played at the end of coverage for the H Cup weekend on UK TV though? Seriously, brought a tear to my eye. HD does have a place in rugby but so does some kid in Argentina with an iphone in the stand who manages to capture one of the sweetest hits I've witnessed in a quarter of a century playing this game. Nice post RD. Charly says HD's over-rated.
Stefan November 08, 2011 1:24 am
immense bosh. worthy of any TS&RB compilation. and the collective "oooohhhhh" of the crowd sums it up perfectly. beautiful rugby.
flyingpepper November 08, 2011 1:53 am
Nothing Amateur about that Hit!!! loving it
cheyanqui November 08, 2011 3:04 am
To add to what the others were saying....
SIC v CASI is as big as rugby rivalries get in Argentina.
The sports broadcasters (ESPN Sur, TyC, etc.) were surely on hand to televise the "primera" (First XV) match.
From what others are saying, this match was the Pre-Intermedia (Third XV) or Intermedia (Second XV), so it's in effect a curtain raiser.
So to all the haters of the video, the fact the camera work wasn't up to snuff is no surprise -- this is probably video from the coaching staff.
Most broadcast crews don't show up at a Super Rugby stadium at 9am, and start videotape of the U-15 curtainraiser.
SIC v CASI is as big as rugby rivalries get in Argentina.
The sports broadcasters (ESPN Sur, TyC, etc.) were surely on hand to televise the "primera" (First XV) match.
From what others are saying, this match was the Pre-Intermedia (Third XV) or Intermedia (Second XV), so it's in effect a curtain raiser.
So to all the haters of the video, the fact the camera work wasn't up to snuff is no surprise -- this is probably video from the coaching staff.
Most broadcast crews don't show up at a Super Rugby stadium at 9am, and start videotape of the U-15 curtainraiser.
flyingpepper November 08, 2011 12:17 pm
Surely you aren't saying those guys are U15?
cheyanqui November 09, 2011 1:17 pm
nope, just saying that the professional camera work is usually there for the main event, not the undercard
cheyanqui November 09, 2011 1:17 pm
nope, just saying that the professional camera work is usually there for the main event, not the undercard
M.Meuble November 08, 2011 5:32 am
What I don't understand is if the tackler is the left winger, then what he did doesn't make any sens tactically speaking.
They were in their 22m, so the winger should either go back in its field to anticipate a kick, or get in line with their teammates to defend the counterattack, if he thought there would have one.
To me, it looks like there was something pending between both players, and he just see the opportunity coming.
Whatever, it is just a lovely tackle, but knowing and playing with some Argentinos (boludo!) I wouldn't be surprise if it was a punishing tackle.
They were in their 22m, so the winger should either go back in its field to anticipate a kick, or get in line with their teammates to defend the counterattack, if he thought there would have one.
To me, it looks like there was something pending between both players, and he just see the opportunity coming.
Whatever, it is just a lovely tackle, but knowing and playing with some Argentinos (boludo!) I wouldn't be surprise if it was a punishing tackle.
breakaway November 08, 2011 6:30 am
My thinking too M.M. I know nothing about these players but it looks to me as if the tackler lined up his prey from a long way back and was making a point of some sort. The response of some players suggests that there might also have been a bit of business, verbal or otherwise, immediately after the tackle. So maybe there's a back-story here.
stroudos November 08, 2011 9:11 am
Do you mean like this left winger marking his opposite number's card and smashing him at the next available opportunity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEgMXm33wAI
Get your point about the tactical decision, however if the ref had let play continue (which he should have), the ball was coughed up and his teammate had a clear run in for the try.
My theory is he was probably bored on his wing andsimply wanted to get involved in the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEgMXm33wAI
Get your point about the tactical decision, however if the ref had let play continue (which he should have), the ball was coughed up and his teammate had a clear run in for the try.
My theory is he was probably bored on his wing andsimply wanted to get involved in the game!
Pretzel November 09, 2011 4:51 am
Pretty sure "Flank" is a position in the forwards....
stroudos November 08, 2011 9:06 am
Bosh.
Wonder why his teammate was not allowed to sprint through and score.
Wonder why his teammate was not allowed to sprint through and score.
flyingpepper November 08, 2011 12:18 pm
Is he the left winger? if so a big unit, same size as the second rower on his team
Colombes November 08, 2011 12:27 pm
fantastic hit! brutal, regular, provocating a knock-on
as it is coming from an amateur club, i think few "pro" players should watch and learn.
isn't it mr warburton, mr estebanez or mr lawes?
as it is coming from an amateur club, i think few "pro" players should watch and learn.
isn't it mr warburton, mr estebanez or mr lawes?
BA_Rucker November 08, 2011 1:57 pm
Right. As my fellow Argentines have pointed out this game was part of the three or four games that are played every Saturday before the big 1st XV match up. This way, big clubs with a large amount of players get to field enough teams to build experience and have enough internal competition to make players try and earn a spot in the 1st XV through hard work and perseverance. My own team in Buenos Aires can field about four squads and therefore Saturday becomes a marathon of games starting as early as 11am going all the way up to 5pm.
I am damn sure that our amateur structure will not drastically change in the years to come, but hopefully with enough exposure we'll start fielding more homegrown players on the Pumas team and not relying solely on international talent. And as far as the Quad Nations, that'll help our game improve (even if it means getting the shit kicked out of us for several years to come :P ). I really do hope that in a couple of years we'll have enough capital to kickstart a couple of Super Rugby teams and have some fun with professional franchise rugby. :D
For any of you who are interested in keeping up with Argentine rugby ESPN has a great website called Scrum.com (I know there's an English variant), where you can keep up with several of the local tournaments as well as some good replay footage. Be warned it is in Spanish.
I am damn sure that our amateur structure will not drastically change in the years to come, but hopefully with enough exposure we'll start fielding more homegrown players on the Pumas team and not relying solely on international talent. And as far as the Quad Nations, that'll help our game improve (even if it means getting the shit kicked out of us for several years to come :P ). I really do hope that in a couple of years we'll have enough capital to kickstart a couple of Super Rugby teams and have some fun with professional franchise rugby. :D
For any of you who are interested in keeping up with Argentine rugby ESPN has a great website called Scrum.com (I know there's an English variant), where you can keep up with several of the local tournaments as well as some good replay footage. Be warned it is in Spanish.
Just Call Me Ehtch November 08, 2011 2:18 pm
Hoops are quite the fashion in Argie land, isn't it? It is like watching Celtic verses Queens Park Rangers, if you get me....
Just Call Me Ehtch November 08, 2011 2:37 pm
And by the way, long time coming with the Argies in a yearly nations competition. Argies rugby will take off with the coming Four Nations. All the best to them. Hope Kiwis/Saffas/Ozzies like beef, because that is all is on the menu over there, and some bread on the side.
Centre November 08, 2011 3:44 pm
UN-believable hit. I dream of being in a situation with such a perfect set up like that. The victim utterly unaware of the guy closing in on him and receiving the ball at the exact right moment. So yes of course the tackler's tekkers are outstanding... but he was certainly fortunate in the perfect storm that was that situation. Be honest - he was already committed to the savage attack from about 15 metres away!
Also I agree with the tournament name. How utterly undescriptive and unimaginative. The World Cup is already really the Rugby Championship. Quad Nations for me. Or something along the lines of The Southern Hemisphere Cup/Championship/Tournament/ etc.
Also I agree with the tournament name. How utterly undescriptive and unimaginative. The World Cup is already really the Rugby Championship. Quad Nations for me. Or something along the lines of The Southern Hemisphere Cup/Championship/Tournament/ etc.
Just Call Me Ehtch November 08, 2011 6:09 pm
Got to be Four Nations. Before France joined us Wales, Oireland and the English in battle it was called the Four Nations, I think we wills sells the old rights to the name, oh beggora, sure to be, if we could tarmac your driveway for you for a healthy price, for tax reasons you know...
And so BOD doesn't want North or Doc Bob coming up his shoulder in the next six months, so fecking what. By the way paddies. I still don't hold yerselves responsible for Rolland, no matter how many people says do I feck. Alright?
And so BOD doesn't want North or Doc Bob coming up his shoulder in the next six months, so fecking what. By the way paddies. I still don't hold yerselves responsible for Rolland, no matter how many people says do I feck. Alright?
Ignacio November 10, 2011 1:28 am
Great tackle! besides this, Argentinean rugby has great potential. Let´s see what happens in the 4 nations, this is a great opportunity for Argentinean rugby, even if results are not good in the short term.
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