Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Nathan Hines hangs onto two Ulster players
Clermont Auvergne will face Saracens in the quarter finals of the Heineken Cup following their hard fought 19-15 win over Ulster on Saturday. Below is a look at a unique bit of foul play that infuriated Ulster fans.
In recent times we've featured incidents where holding onto a player results in a retaliation in the form of someone lashing out, and in some cases even, a punch and red card.
Usually it's just a jersey or arm tugging that prevents someone from getting to the next phase of play, but in the case of Nathan Hines on the weekend, he managed to take out two players at once.
Unfortunately for Clermont his indiscretion cost them a try as he held onto not only Stephen Ferris, but Pedrie Wanneburg as well. Both players did well to not take a swing at him, although shortly after Lee Byrne crossed for what would have been a try, a scuffle broke out with multiple players.
Some would have liked to have seen Hines yellow carded for such a cynical piece of gamesmanship, but referee Dave Pearson and his assistant decided that a penalty was sufficient punishment.
Many of you wanted to see the incident again, so have a look and let us know in the comments what you think of the way it was handled by the players involved and the officials.
Posted at 11:05 am | 31 comments
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Juan- Martin to the January 25, 2012 12:29 pm
Missed the part five minutes later when clermont score, with Hines clearing a path just to the righthand side of the ruck leading to a simple/ illegal try.
BarryT January 25, 2012 12:31 pm
the saddest part of that match was hines getting penalised for holding onto the 2 lads, then later in the match taking out chris henry at the side of the ruck so the sub hooker for clermont could slip in for an easy try, if hines had been carded that wouldn't have happened and possibly ulster could have the home quarter....who knows! bad sportsmanship cause clermont were PROBABLY gonna score anyway but there was no need to do it illegally, great match though
Colombes January 25, 2012 1:14 pm
Comical but cynical action by Hines. in fact, he was hanging 3 players.
Logical decision, no try and penalty for ulster. Even this foul was blatant, many are hard to see, good to see an assistant check at it
Ps: Hines even did a block on the jaunards try
but to summarize clermont win on these 2 actions would be easy, they were far more dominant, and ulster were also cheating in many rucks.
Logical decision, no try and penalty for ulster. Even this foul was blatant, many are hard to see, good to see an assistant check at it
Ps: Hines even did a block on the jaunards try
but to summarize clermont win on these 2 actions would be easy, they were far more dominant, and ulster were also cheating in many rucks.
Miro- January 25, 2012 3:05 pm
Ye - Ulster fucked up the game pretty well in those rucks :(
Damn irish style of playing rugby.
Damn irish style of playing rugby.
sp1nlo0p January 25, 2012 1:37 pm
refs should have picked it up way earlier AND the players which were held should have freed themselves instead of appealing to the referees
blobber January 25, 2012 2:53 pm
You ever tried freeing your leg from under a 19st unit who doesn't want you to? No, didn't think so...
Glad the assistant ref noticed something for once.
Glad the assistant ref noticed something for once.
EyEBroW MoDjO January 25, 2012 3:08 pm
That was the only way to prevent Ulstermen to be offside or hands on the ball on each ruck since the ref didn't do anything for that all game long!
Ciaran January 25, 2012 5:05 pm
You'll find that he's in fact holding three players - Touhy is also underneath him.
Tristan January 25, 2012 5:52 pm
That was horrendously cynical play, three players down? A penalty may have been too lenient to warn him off doing it again, as shown five minutes later
Reality January 25, 2012 6:20 pm
Ahah, I like all the Clermont supporters here claiming that Ulster are the real cheats. Did you not watch the video? And did you not see your completely illegal try as well? Come on! Be realistic. Ulster weren't the better team here but they were beaten by 4 points where 7 Clermont points came from the most obviously illegal try since Mike Philips versus Ireland. Also, remember Brock James's 'knock-on' where he slapped the ball to the ground in the middle of an Ulster move, and then the ref gave a scrum instead of a penalty, and then reversed it when Muller pointed out that it was a deliberate knock-on? And you call Ulster the cheats?
i love bacon January 25, 2012 10:23 pm
That's how Clermont supporters are: fervent in their belief that their team in infallible. Watching home Top 14 matches is almost unbearable. There aren't many sides whose fans harass the ref as much as Clermont's do. Like the Philadelphia Eagles or Boston Red Sox fans of French rugby.
Vanadyel January 25, 2012 7:29 pm
Ulster have play quite foul on lots of rucks, slowing down the ball.
And I've seen a lot of bad refereeing in favor of Ulster as well.
I guess we fans have a one-way opinion on refereeing.
And I've seen a lot of bad refereeing in favor of Ulster as well.
I guess we fans have a one-way opinion on refereeing.
Carlos January 25, 2012 7:29 pm
In the last Clermont try by Ti'i Paulo how come isn't that a penaty from Hines? Ulster 7 wasn't engaging the ruck so you can't do that right?
Darth Vader January 25, 2012 7:43 pm
If that had been a defender holding on to three attacking players, there would have been a yellow card produced for definite. It would have been viewed as directly influencing whether a try would be scored or not.
Here, because it is the attacker, it is somehow viewed differently. Why no yellow card? As it transpired, a similar tactic from the same player did in fact swing the match.
Here, because it is the attacker, it is somehow viewed differently. Why no yellow card? As it transpired, a similar tactic from the same player did in fact swing the match.
McGraMaha January 25, 2012 9:14 pm
If your not cheating your not trying.
And how can Ferris, Wannenburg and Tuohy normally barrel through folk week in week out but at this point not one of them could escape the grips of a man lying down.
Was cynical by Hines but they where playing on it trying to get him carded or buy the penalty which is just as bad.
And how can Ferris, Wannenburg and Tuohy normally barrel through folk week in week out but at this point not one of them could escape the grips of a man lying down.
Was cynical by Hines but they where playing on it trying to get him carded or buy the penalty which is just as bad.
Guy January 25, 2012 9:32 pm
Don't make it bigger than it is:
a) an actually quite funny piece of foul play;
b) the try being disallowed and a penalty to the opposing team is punishment enough;
c) Ulster players did exactly what they should do: appeal to the linesman instead of taking justice in their own hands.
I had a good chuckle watching this anyhow.
a) an actually quite funny piece of foul play;
b) the try being disallowed and a penalty to the opposing team is punishment enough;
c) Ulster players did exactly what they should do: appeal to the linesman instead of taking justice in their own hands.
I had a good chuckle watching this anyhow.
Canadian content January 25, 2012 11:36 pm
i agree with darth vader but also found the whole thing quite comical. impressive feat of strength actually, those are some big units he's impeding.
Ando January 26, 2012 1:04 am
Incredible self-control from the two Ulster players not to lash out, but what disgraceful unsportsmanlike behaviour from the Clermont forward!
You know who else is good at doing this sneaky/cheaty off-the-ball stuff? The All Blacks are masters of it, particularly that man McCaw. I recall in the last Tri Nations 2011 match that a couple of ABs held down Pocock for something like 10+ seconds after a ruck, which gave them time to create an overlap and Nonu I think it was went over to score. Pocock the whole time was appealing to the touch judges but they didn't see it. Rugby doesn't need that crap...
You know who else is good at doing this sneaky/cheaty off-the-ball stuff? The All Blacks are masters of it, particularly that man McCaw. I recall in the last Tri Nations 2011 match that a couple of ABs held down Pocock for something like 10+ seconds after a ruck, which gave them time to create an overlap and Nonu I think it was went over to score. Pocock the whole time was appealing to the touch judges but they didn't see it. Rugby doesn't need that crap...
Ref January 26, 2012 12:30 pm
In the particular piece I believe you will find it was Pocock who was holding them! He only complained to the touchie after the fact he realised it didnt work
Calon Lan January 27, 2012 1:34 am
I didn't see the match so this is the first time I've seen this.
Terrible play by Hines to be honest but I couldn't stop laughing at it. Not sure which was the funniest part, the way he held onto them both, the way the both pretended they couldn't get away while really over emphasising their movements or the "what did I do boss" look on Hines' face when he was being cautioned.
Terrible play by Hines to be honest but I couldn't stop laughing at it. Not sure which was the funniest part, the way he held onto them both, the way the both pretended they couldn't get away while really over emphasising their movements or the "what did I do boss" look on Hines' face when he was being cautioned.
Sankeor January 27, 2012 4:34 am
3 big guys, what a skill ! haha...
No really the game was great, and Clermont played hard and better against a team which, in my opinion, used a foul play to compensate and tilt the scale towards its side (I just say, coz according to the vid one could think the opposite).
I have to say the very "liberal" style of the referee didn't help too, but Clermont really won by the sweat of their brows.
No really the game was great, and Clermont played hard and better against a team which, in my opinion, used a foul play to compensate and tilt the scale towards its side (I just say, coz according to the vid one could think the opposite).
I have to say the very "liberal" style of the referee didn't help too, but Clermont really won by the sweat of their brows.
rufty January 27, 2012 12:36 pm
Must say the discipline of the Ulster lads involved was top notch. Many's a player that would lash out at such blatant cheating.
Pretzel January 28, 2012 3:06 am
I am a fan of hines but I find this awful. I was screaming blue murder when hines got done for that swipe on byrnes after being held, so I'm glad to see it swings the other way.
Seen it time and time again players being held resorting to dishing out their own punishment only for THEM to be carded, glad the ref sorted this out, although, wouldn't have blamed the ulster men for giving hines a clout!
Seen it time and time again players being held resorting to dishing out their own punishment only for THEM to be carded, glad the ref sorted this out, although, wouldn't have blamed the ulster men for giving hines a clout!
Dourauldscot January 28, 2012 10:36 am
Funnily enough, Hines has made a lot of fans out the way he comically dealt with a load of sore Ulster fans on Twitter. Got a lot of support from people, including Ulster fans….. @wagga5. A selection below:
I tell you what @JamesWMagee07 @PJBann_8 , if there was a European Competition for whining, you wouldn't need to cheat. Would win it easy
@JamesWMagee07 Every player does what they need to do to win, including Ulster players.Wouldn't be whining if the boot was on the other foot
@bigross1970 You obviously hated every minute I played at Leinster then. Would you still be whining if I did the same for then?
@pwmckee I see that you are unhappy Paul. I am just glad that there are no foreign "journeymen" playing for Ulster.
@andyhaz88 It's all part of the game Andrew. Getting stick from the other fans is a compliment in a funny way
@chazz_10 Thanks Charlie but I think that we handled your ulster men sufficiently enough to win the game.?
@JackChapman9 and of course the same abuse would be given from the ulster collective if an ulsterman had done the same thing. #notsosure
It's OK @AJMaitly. Sometimes if you don't have a great understanding of rugby, it's easy to miss the less obvious blocking.
@bacon_ben Thank you Ben for your kind words. I find the "clever" use of swear words with xenophobic references somewhat amusing.
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I tell you what @JamesWMagee07 @PJBann_8 , if there was a European Competition for whining, you wouldn't need to cheat. Would win it easy
@JamesWMagee07 Every player does what they need to do to win, including Ulster players.Wouldn't be whining if the boot was on the other foot
@bigross1970 You obviously hated every minute I played at Leinster then. Would you still be whining if I did the same for then?
@pwmckee I see that you are unhappy Paul. I am just glad that there are no foreign "journeymen" playing for Ulster.
@andyhaz88 It's all part of the game Andrew. Getting stick from the other fans is a compliment in a funny way
@chazz_10 Thanks Charlie but I think that we handled your ulster men sufficiently enough to win the game.?
@JackChapman9 and of course the same abuse would be given from the ulster collective if an ulsterman had done the same thing. #notsosure
It's OK @AJMaitly. Sometimes if you don't have a great understanding of rugby, it's easy to miss the less obvious blocking.
@bacon_ben Thank you Ben for your kind words. I find the "clever" use of swear words with xenophobic references somewhat amusing.
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Pretzel January 28, 2012 1:02 pm
I wrote my last comment in a hurry.
I do find it funny, because lets face it this is outrageous, he stops 3 guys... I know he did what he needed to do, or felt he needed to do, and for some part I understand it (everyone does it). What really grinds me though is when players retaliate and get punished. See Danny Grewcock with regards to his stamp on ferris arm...where ferris holds on to grewocks arm and leg (whilst lying on the floor) and grewcock stamps his arm, Ferris "shouts in pain" towards the referee... result: Grewcock red!
Now, its in the red zone of the field (RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TRY LINE!) and grewcock the defending player is being held! EXACTLY the same happens here, (with more players lol) if it had been missed and someone went through the edge to score because ferris was being held he'd have been livid, so honestly I reckon the only reason ferris didn't swipe out was because it was Hines (a rather large unit!)
So I hope that more often than not these things get blown up quickly, either that or let a player take a swipe!
I do find it funny, because lets face it this is outrageous, he stops 3 guys... I know he did what he needed to do, or felt he needed to do, and for some part I understand it (everyone does it). What really grinds me though is when players retaliate and get punished. See Danny Grewcock with regards to his stamp on ferris arm...where ferris holds on to grewocks arm and leg (whilst lying on the floor) and grewcock stamps his arm, Ferris "shouts in pain" towards the referee... result: Grewcock red!
Now, its in the red zone of the field (RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TRY LINE!) and grewcock the defending player is being held! EXACTLY the same happens here, (with more players lol) if it had been missed and someone went through the edge to score because ferris was being held he'd have been livid, so honestly I reckon the only reason ferris didn't swipe out was because it was Hines (a rather large unit!)
So I hope that more often than not these things get blown up quickly, either that or let a player take a swipe!
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