Thursday, September 13, 2012
Top 14 Round Four - Best of the weekend wrap-up
Here is our Top 14 wrap of the best action from the weekend, including some brilliant tries scored by Biarritz and Toulouse, a big charge by Mamuke Gorgodze, and a nice hit on Morgan Parra.
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CHampion September 13, 2012 4:24 pm
Im starting to hate french and english clubs, cant wait to see Munster and Leinster brush them aside AGAIN this year hahaha The fact of the matter is both munster and leinster are better teams than all those in England and France, fact! 5 HC in 7 years
TheGreatRugbyworld September 13, 2012 5:45 pm
The difference is that TOP 14 and Aviva Premiership are very long, tough and competitive leagues whereas the Celtic League sucks. I mean Irish clubs are almost automatically qualified for the Heineken Cup whereas French and English clubs have to fight all the season long to clinch a ticket for the next season's H-Cup and avoid relegation, while playing the H-Cup (or Amlin Challenge Cup) at the same time. Seasons are way longer, tougher and more tiring for French and English clubs than they are for Irish franchises, that's the main reason why they have been so dominant in recent years, they prepare all their season for a single objective : the Heineken Cup.
rugby08 September 14, 2012 12:44 pm
You are a sad, sad person Champion.
Go troll on an Irish forum or something, you're not wanted here.
Go troll on an Irish forum or something, you're not wanted here.
moddeur September 13, 2012 5:30 pm
@CHamp
What's to hate about any pro rugby club?
What's more, Munster and Leinster don't have to compete as much for HC playoffs in their championship (3 Irish teams are qualified out of 4 present = 75%, compared to 6 out of 14 in France = 43% ... in their championship, they can rest a player nearly any time they want), and they also don't have to worry about relegation. This makes it somewhat less difficult for them to be competitive on the long run - which English and French clubs find harder.
It's about endurance, at the end of the day.
What's to hate about any pro rugby club?
What's more, Munster and Leinster don't have to compete as much for HC playoffs in their championship (3 Irish teams are qualified out of 4 present = 75%, compared to 6 out of 14 in France = 43% ... in their championship, they can rest a player nearly any time they want), and they also don't have to worry about relegation. This makes it somewhat less difficult for them to be competitive on the long run - which English and French clubs find harder.
It's about endurance, at the end of the day.
Champion September 15, 2012 11:36 pm
Fair enuf about the qualification thru the PRO 12, that needs to change but why should we change THE FASTEST GROWING LEAGUE IN EUROPE just to suit the English and french teams. Im sayin reduce the number of teams to qualify by 2/3 teams from the pro12 and 1 from France and England each, then give them to new nations. I guess ye all remember bayonne in the HC and Agen lighting up the HC. Didnt bayonne get fined for not putting out a good enough team to compete. THEY BROKE A RECORD THAT YEAR, highest loosing margin!! COS THERE CRAP, and thats a fact. Agen got into the HC and got relegated the following year COS THERE CRAP. Anyway, sounds like some of you dont watch any TOP 14 cos most clubs field full strenght teams for their home games only. They simply cant win away COS THERE CRAP. the only teams I admire from france is Clermont and Toulouse because they really want to win it, unlike others.
As for england there's much better teams there and they always want to win it. Much respect (which is earned, not given)
You can talk all you want about not having relegation in the PRO 12 but let me remind you of the trouble they have with it in England, London welsh had to go to court and when the "Premiership" started I dont think they even had it
The fact of the matter is this, Munster squad salary approx 5.5m/yr, Toulouse squad salary approx 30m/yr. Do you not have the squad to compete on both levels? Esp since the welsh team is moving to France because of a salary cap.
And by the way, english and french club are owned by......anyone.....business men! The Irish provinces are just that, provincial clubs not franchises. Owned by the people no 1 man. We'r in this for the TROPHIES not the CASH, unlike some.
As for england there's much better teams there and they always want to win it. Much respect (which is earned, not given)
You can talk all you want about not having relegation in the PRO 12 but let me remind you of the trouble they have with it in England, London welsh had to go to court and when the "Premiership" started I dont think they even had it
The fact of the matter is this, Munster squad salary approx 5.5m/yr, Toulouse squad salary approx 30m/yr. Do you not have the squad to compete on both levels? Esp since the welsh team is moving to France because of a salary cap.
And by the way, english and french club are owned by......anyone.....business men! The Irish provinces are just that, provincial clubs not franchises. Owned by the people no 1 man. We'r in this for the TROPHIES not the CASH, unlike some.
rugby08 September 16, 2012 5:19 pm
No one cares, post that crap somewhere else please
Colombes September 18, 2012 1:40 pm
i don't know if the fact to live on an island doesn't give you access to many informations... but i think all your views on french and english rugby are wrong and uncomplete.
i'm pretty fan of munster and leinster clubs, but the last HC results since 5 years are completly infleunced by the difference of "rest time" between celts and others euopean leagues. denying it is an hypocrisy.
english and french clubs are looking new agreements with ERC not because they are losing (toulouse won it 2010) but because they want to continue to play an equitable competition! they are losing money in a cup where rules aren't same for everyone. i would be very sad to see french and english clubs quit this cup. let's hope a new competition model for 2013 or 2014
i'm pretty fan of munster and leinster clubs, but the last HC results since 5 years are completly infleunced by the difference of "rest time" between celts and others euopean leagues. denying it is an hypocrisy.
english and french clubs are looking new agreements with ERC not because they are losing (toulouse won it 2010) but because they want to continue to play an equitable competition! they are losing money in a cup where rules aren't same for everyone. i would be very sad to see french and english clubs quit this cup. let's hope a new competition model for 2013 or 2014
Colombes September 18, 2012 1:41 pm
i don't know if the fact to live on an island doesn't give you access to many informations... but i think all your views on french and english rugby are wrong and uncomplete.
i'm pretty fan of munster and leinster clubs, but the last HC results since 5 years are completly infleunced by the difference of "rest time" between celts and others euopean leagues. denying it is an hypocrisy.
english and french clubs are looking new agreements with ERC not because they are losing (toulouse won it 2010) but because they want to continue to play an equitable competition! they are losing money in a cup where rules aren't same for everyone. i would be very sad to see french and english clubs quit this cup. let's hope a new competition model for 2013 or 2014
i'm pretty fan of munster and leinster clubs, but the last HC results since 5 years are completly infleunced by the difference of "rest time" between celts and others euopean leagues. denying it is an hypocrisy.
english and french clubs are looking new agreements with ERC not because they are losing (toulouse won it 2010) but because they want to continue to play an equitable competition! they are losing money in a cup where rules aren't same for everyone. i would be very sad to see french and english clubs quit this cup. let's hope a new competition model for 2013 or 2014
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