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Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Luke Charteris and Pascal Pape shown yellow cards for Top 14 fight

Stade Francais beat Perpignan 34-24 at the Stade Charlety in Paris, claiming their second win of the year, and helping them move three points clear of the relegation threat. Near the end of the match a fight erupted, resulting in two yellow cards.

Visitors Perpignan scored a stunning long range try through Richard Haughton from a James Hook crosskick, before Hook kept them in the game with the boot. Former fullback Jerome Porical did the same for Stade Francais, while flyhalf Jules Plisson slotted two drop goals in a matter of minutes. 

Big Sebastien Vahaamahina powered over in the corner for a lovely Perpignan try in the second half, but with fifteen minutes left in the game the scores were tied at 24-24 before Lei Tomiki scored the winning try, to add to another Porical penalty, his eigth kick from nine attempts.

Five minutes from time both sides lost players to the sinbin after a scuffle broke out on the back of a maul, which led to multiple punches being thrown. There were a few cheapshots, but locks Luke Charteris and Pascal Pape were the most prominent, so they were handed yellow cards.

If you watch carefully, Charteris wasn't even involved in the initial aggro, but soon got involved when Pape clearly took exception to the way he was yanked out of the maul.

At this stage it's not entirely clear, but it looks as though there will be a disciplinary hearing on the 10th October. We will confirm as soon as we know for sure.

We'll have more Top 14 highlights, including a weekend wrap-up, shortly

Posted by Rugbydump at 2:02 pm | View Comments (47)

Danie Rossouw's big hit on opposite number Luke Charteris

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Guest September 26, 2012 3:29 pm

Number 18 on the red team was the antagonist. He even came back to slap the "victim" in the back of the head while he was defending himself. (He did a good job after being attacked)! Not sure who that clown is, but a red card is more appropriate, for # 18.

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stroudos September 27, 2012 1:35 am

Excellent analysis. Red #18 - I don't know who he is either - was on a mission here wasn't he? He's the one pulling Pape out of the maul in the first place and look how quick he was to jump up and start throwing knuckles!

Good spot on him then walking all the way round the others to slap Pape on the head while he (Pape) and Charteris were busy exchanging their car insurance details.

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moddeur September 27, 2012 6:54 am

Perpignan have a somewhat sour reputation, a lot of their regular players are always very keen on close-quarter talks about the weather (with their opponents).

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Jon September 27, 2012 6:45 am

What for?
He yanked a guy out of the maul. So what?

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Pretzel September 26, 2012 6:48 pm

Still don't really see what actually caused it... Sort of saw Pape get thrown out of the maul and then it looked like Charteris sort of had hands on his face, either to break his fall, or to rough him up (not suggesting gouging btw) and then they both sort of got up and started going at it :/ it was just a bit odd...

I think yellows were appropriate though, I don't like the sound of disciplinary meetings for this kind of crap, yellows suffice....

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Guy September 26, 2012 7:22 pm

What the hell happened here?

A top14 punch-up...WITHOUT anybody taking a dive?

Christmas comes early this year, it's a downright miracle.

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Pretzel September 26, 2012 10:48 pm

Top14 punch ups were generally some of the best rated punch ups. In fact Matfield said when he went to play in France he had to improve his "boxing skills"...

This is the kind of stuff I really miss from the French, sad to see it took a Welshman to spark it off..

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moddeur September 27, 2012 6:52 am

It's a pity not all of you understand what the commentators are saying, because during the slow motion replay, one of them says "ahh, nice punch by Charteris, ohh and wonderful uppercut by Pape, it's one all so far on the scoreboard - aww!! and what was that? a hit by behind? that's just wrong!". Then the second commentator chips in and says "I think Charteris' punch wasn't so great after all, because (when I used to play) I knew a few Welsh forwards who would land a real punch from which you wouldn't get up".
The TOP 14 on French TV sometimes ressembles a boxing match with comments.

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Guy September 27, 2012 11:31 am

Thank's for the translation. I've got to update my knowledge of the French language. I am allready very fond of French commentary without even knowing what the hell they say.

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Pretzel September 27, 2012 8:57 pm

HAHAHA, Thats brilliant. See I enjoy the French attitude, admittedly I wouldn't want to be on the receiving of some of these French fists, so I can see the positives to trying to stamp it out, but it appears the French commentators, players and even the referee's tend to take a stance on it in a way that "if it doesn't appear to have hurt, then it isn't really worth much of an investigation"... lol.. And I honestly admire that...

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Dutchie September 26, 2012 8:20 pm

Can't help but notice that pretty much all the brawls posted here are from the top 14. Is that just random selection or do the French attitude and horrible French refs cause so much more fighting?

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Pretzel September 26, 2012 10:49 pm

Lol, the French are just better at expressing their anger through fists than most other nations...

p.s To any French reading this, that is not supposed to be an insult, merely an observation. I love the French fights, they always made for great watching....

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moddeur September 27, 2012 6:59 am

Well French lower leagues have a strong reputation for brawls.
But in my case the worst I've ever done in terms of anger/agression on a field, is shove a guy out of a ruck from behind him (I was totally offside), just because on the race to the ball he had shoved me out of the way with an elbow and held me up a bit.
I personally can't imagine getting into a fight. But I know a few guys on the field who are dying for an opportunity :)
Once, a 10 shoved my face into the mud while he was getting up, because I had just hard-tackled him and made him bungle a 3 against 1 opportunity. I looked at him and smiled through muddy teeth (I hope it pissed him off even more).

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jpierre1992 November 22, 2012 12:42 am

I thick exactly the same, a good smiled will make anyone with bad intentions in the feel get mad

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Jon September 27, 2012 6:46 am

There was one from South Africa just the other day.

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Juggernauter September 26, 2012 8:47 pm

Is it me or Pascal Pape seems to feature here regularly participating in these brawls? He's like the french's own little Bakkies haha

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stroudos September 27, 2012 1:30 am

Nah, quite the opposite I think mate. Seems to be quite the gentleman from what I've seen of him over the years. 2nd rows are always going to be involved in more argy-bargy than most. Even here, he only seems to be defending himself.

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moddeur September 27, 2012 6:48 am

Sorry but I'll have to disagree (I've finally got a cause for disagreement with stroudos!), Pape may be a gentleman off the pitch (just as Bakkies Botha is), but on the pitch he's absolutely and horribly agressive - although he's not known to land cheap shots but rather to look for trouble. When he's named captain of the Stade Français or of the French XV, it's when both teams need to up their ante in the agressive guerrilla rugby fighter department.

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Colombes September 27, 2012 12:27 pm

Agree, i love papé as a player but he can never keep his nerves during a match. pity, cause he could have been a fantastic french captain without his antics

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stroudos September 27, 2012 6:48 pm

Fair enough, I stand corrected! I'm sure you two have seen more of him than I have...

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Alex_The_Kiiid! September 27, 2012 1:21 am

They should both be embarrassed of themselves! Pathetic display of boxing,...throwing punches like schoolgirls (especially number 23 from the pink team).

Typical French attitude seen here, dirty as ever and no discipline at all. They both deserved red cards for that girly showing of fisty cuffs,...or should I say hand bags!

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lynchy September 27, 2012 2:19 am

Who is wearing 17 for Perpignan? Cheeky punch on van Zyl from behind..

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Welshy September 27, 2012 2:36 am

Yeah, at 0.25, he clips round the back of the head? What a tool... anyone know who that actually is???
I don't mean to sound antagonistic but there seems to be an increase of diving handbags and faking it in french rugby at the moment......
Horrible to see football antics creep into the beautiful game...... (rugby of course....)

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Pretzel September 27, 2012 5:12 am

And you deduced that from THIS video????

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James September 27, 2012 7:24 am

Not more than anywhere else ...

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Colombes September 27, 2012 12:23 pm

please avoid the usual wrong clichés on french rugby...
a fight or a scuffle in top14 is quite usual
but did u seriously remark any dive in this video??

concerning simulations, fortunately, it's quite marginal and refs often remark it.
but, yes, a number 2 or a scrum-half will always be a bit sneaky

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stroudos September 27, 2012 6:50 pm

Pure trollery by Welshy there. Surprised to see three people take the bait though...

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Welshy September 27, 2012 11:01 pm

Haha, not quite all trollery, but I obviously didn't mean from just this video....... Assume someone isn't an idiot and i find these conversations go a LOT smoother! I meant from several videos I have seen recently, here and elsewhere.
I emant the slap round the head. That kind of petulance. I don't know, I just don't think you see that kind of stuff i the UK.
I am NOT moaning about the fight, not a fan but entirely not bothered, no one was hurt, and both players wanted to be involved.
Do you guys think the 'slap' by Charteris was intentional??

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Pretzel September 28, 2012 4:56 am

The slap around the head was by #18 I think, not Charteris, it's wasn't in any way diving, and Pape did not dive to the ground as a result of the slap, it was merely an act of petulance as you said, a way to rattle Pape's cage and perhaps further provoke him into continuing to fight. I don't watch an awful lot of it, but I am pretty sure I have seen similar things in UK rugby, they don't tend to be as physical, that slap was quite hard, it wasn't really a "well done" slap, it was more of a revenge sort of slap, but idk 100%... for me it borders into the same category as clapping when the referee calls over an opposition player, and I've seen plenty of players from all over the world (UK included) doing that...

For the record, perhaps next time you should provide links to these videos you have seen, you never know if the RD bunch have seen them or not, might be an interesting post...

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dave September 27, 2012 4:27 am

how come rugby players fight like pussies?
ganging up and not letting 2 people have a go at each other, like in hockey
when they get in the way of the fight like that one of the guys fighting might not be able to defend himself

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Pretzel September 27, 2012 8:59 pm

Because we're all fags, we wear tutu's and despise any sort of painful contact, that is our sport, now you obviously don't fit in around here so feel free to disembark the RD pleasure ship and never return....

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Alex_The_Kiiid! September 28, 2012 12:04 am

We know YOU are a tutu wearing fag that hates real contact in Rugby, so speak for yourself next time hey!

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Pretzel September 28, 2012 4:57 am

.......dangled the line and caught one..

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Guy September 28, 2012 12:00 pm

Shoo shoo Alex, back to Youtube!

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Alex_The-Kiiid! September 28, 2012 10:34 pm

Did I hurt your feelings? If you dont like my opinion or anybody elses, go and cry on another rugby site...problem solved :)

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Pretzel September 29, 2012 4:18 am

I don't think you hurt anyones feelings Alex, I think you just lived up to the "kid" part in your name...

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WelshOsprey September 27, 2012 12:31 pm

Jesus charteris is huge, so big he makes the other second rows look small

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rugby08 October 03, 2012 5:22 am

He's very tall but he's ridiculously lanky

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Guy September 27, 2012 8:38 pm

I've never seen a fight in hockey.

If you mean ice hockey...well, maybe because they are not ice hockey players? Actually: why do ice hockey players fight? Shouldn't they be playing 'hockey' instead?

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Guy September 27, 2012 8:39 pm

Sorry Welsh, it's meant for Dave.

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dave September 27, 2012 11:42 pm

they fight in ice hockey because one of the players did something that kept pissing off the other player, like pushing around a smaller teammate, cheating, cheap shotting "skill" players or trying to run into the goalie in hockey, there's a lot of random dumbass goons in hockey, like sean avery, so they settle their problem with each other one on one, when they start fighting play stops, they duke it out then both players go off the ice and serve 5 minute fighting penalities, everyone else keeps playing, when it's over there's no more grudges and they get back to the game

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Guy September 28, 2012 11:58 am

Sorry Dave, I guess it's a matter of opinion. Personally I don't like these fights at all, it seems completely useless. After both landing about 50 punches they are both still on their feet. So much for fighting skills.

Personally I find a good hard, legal tackle that's got 'revenge' written all over it, much more appealing. I vaguely remember a Lewsey tackle on was it Matt Rogers? Broke him a pair of ribs with a perfectly legal piece of play.

I do agree on the Championship (post below). Pity we have about 300 channels over here, all of which don't broadcast rugby.

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Pretzel September 28, 2012 1:29 pm

Lol, I quite enjoyed those hockey vids Dave...

@Guy. The whole point is that the guys DO stay on their feet, they try their best to remain standing as it gives them more time to land a killer punch... Perhaps they're brilliant and fighting... I mean that cut that guy had was pretty nasty, we rarely see cuts that bad in rugby, as a result of a punch anyway...

I do agree that throwing a punch is pointless really in rugby when compared to a crunching revenge theory at least.... sometimes a punch is the more preferable action...

I suppose though what Dave was saying and the theory behind it is that it gives players the opportunity to get it out their systems, get a 5 minute sit down time to cool off afterwards and then it SHOULD be all done and that should be the end of it...

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dave September 27, 2012 11:53 pm
here's one of the craziest fight filled games in hockey history,
anyways back to rugby
who else is stoked about rugby championship this week?

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dave September 29, 2012 2:42 am

we'll now that I think about it, if they fought in rugby it would probably be like the andrew sheridan, julian white fight,they can plant their feet properly so they can generate more force with their punches and the guys in rugby are generally bigger, so guys getting dropped with one punch a lot I guess

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Rowan Hill November 16, 2012 3:55 pm

number 17 is the biigest Judas/coward ever haha

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