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Thursday, November 15, 2012

All Black Tamati Ellison arm grabbing with Scotland's Ryan Grant

Here is a quick look at an incident that Scotland fans were unhappy about this past weekend. The outrage came as it looked as though All Black Tamati Ellison grabbed and chicken winged prop Ryan Grant as they both dived for the ball early in the game.

Grant ended up with his arm twisted in an uncomfortable looking position before Tim Visser and Cory Jane got involved. The two players separated and that was it, but fans tweeted furiously about it this week, including some to IRB Chief Executive Officer Brett Gosper.

Gosper, who has taken some serious heat over what some view as a lenient one week ban for Adam Thomson for use of the boot, replied to the request for a citing saying: "Saw it. Understand. Apparently debatable it would warrant red card according to experts."

When this incident happened on Saturday many took to Twitter to share their thoughts on it, including former All Black and friend of Ellison's, Toulouse flyhalf Luke McAlister.

"Cheeky little bit of mma there @TamatiEllison #armbar" joked McAlister.

However, if you watch closely you'll see that it may not be as malicious as it appears, as Grant actually grabbed and held Ellison's arm first (pause video around 21 seconds), which the All Black then tried to wriggle free from, and they both ended up in an awkward, dangerous looking position.

Depending on which side of the fence you sit, you may still view it differently, but with only one angle and no complaints from Scotland, there was quite possibly nothing in it.

As always, please feel free to share your opinion as a comment below.

Posted by Rugbydump at 9:15 pm | View Comments (17)

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iaxm22 November 15, 2012 10:28 pm

for a second tamati was holding on on purpose there

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IanBru November 15, 2012 10:54 pm

I'm on the Scottish side of the fence, so clearly Tamati Elison is a dirty cheat with questionable parentage...

Also, speaking as a Glasgow man, Mr Grant can do no wrong. Frankly, how dare Ellison even touch him? HOW VERY DARE HE??

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1i November 15, 2012 11:37 pm

Ellison wasn't holding onto anyone. he was trying to release his arm from Grant. Grant should've been penalised for tackling the man without the ball. Grant had no right to grab his arm as they were both going for the ball. Its the same as taking a player out of play without the ball. There was no ruck or maul formed.... The right call was made in the end and the game was got on with. We aren't watching league.

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Reality November 15, 2012 11:52 pm

Maybe I'm missing something here, but this looks like a definite 'chicken-wing' to me. Grant seems to have grabbed his arm after they both went to ground, but it really seems like Ellison then grabbed Grant's, and tried to break it or dislocate it à la Callum Clark on rob Hawkins. Speaking of which, he's going to be back playing soon, which is a disgrace after what he did to Hawkins.

Maybe I'm just not seeing something that other people are seeing, but it seems really clear-cut to me. I mean you can see Grant struggling to break free at the end with his arm behind his back, and you can see Ellison grab Grant with his right arm. I don't understand what 1i is talking about in his comment.

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stroudos November 16, 2012 3:23 pm

Reality: [Clark]'s going to be back playing soon, which is a disgrace after what he did to Hawkins.

100% agree. He should have been banned for life. Most despicable thing I've seen on a rugby pitch. (Well the Saffa that broke Doddie Weir's leg on the 97 Lions tour certainly comes close but even that was not as deliberate and malicious as what that Clark bastard did). What's the news on Rob Hawkins but the way, has his arm - ie part of his body that pays his mortgage) recovered yet?

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browner November 16, 2012 12:20 am

Ellison is out of order, the ball isn't close, in fact Ellison has no idea where it is coz his head is down , accordingly he has no right to be twisting the arm behind the players back..... Come down on this hard please CITING commissioner..... Send a clear message to everyone in the sport ....ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE

You've a chance to influence the future....and the history over gouging & spearing & tackles through the neck proves that leniency does not deter.

Calum CLARK has a screw loose, don't compare the two .. CC should be banned for life ! outrageous behaviour, outrageous ban period, says what deliberate arm breaking is ok.....NO NO NO !!

KIDS are watching !!

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James November 16, 2012 12:47 am

Way I see it the ball went underneath them both grant looked like he had the ball with his right arm and Ellison looked like he tried to rip it from him. Which ended up only pulling back grants arm as he lost the ball. Yeah he may have held on to the arm longer than he should have but we all know if we've played the game ourselves the aggression that takes over in a game and how quickly the ball can be out before you know it. He made a mistake, no one got injured grants a big lad, just get on with it!

"Browner" I think your going a little OTT mate! You sound like the reverends wife out of the Simpsons "won't somebody pleas think of the children"
I've had worse done to me and I'm a 68kg winger! Brush it off, get back up and get on with it.

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SocalRugby November 16, 2012 1:03 am

big deal right? It's rugby get over it coming from an American too. The stomp was nothing either ask anyone who plays and the scottish flanker himself about it he'll tell you he was lying over the ball and got what comes to you if you do that

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Jon November 16, 2012 1:47 am

Nothing in it. Bit of a wrestle.
Christ I'm sick of the constant focus on things like this.

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Motjan November 16, 2012 10:14 am

Cynical and dangerous play there by Ellison. But don't know why we are surprised - the All Blacks have been doing this for years. Could have dislocated the bloke's shoulder there but won't get sited because the AB are untouchables...

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Bosh November 16, 2012 12:03 pm

Get a grip. Your perception is a tad warped.

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cboo November 16, 2012 12:03 pm

I have never seen anything so diliberate in my life! He must be sited. Grant is trying to get up looking for the ball and Ellison drags him back down to try and break his arm - he knows he is in the wrong which is why he is so keen to get out of there when he gets up. If he wasn't doing anything wrong then he would have faced up to Visser / Grant.

Jon - Bit of a wrestle? Joke. He should be banned from the game - no place for that coward.

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Colombes November 16, 2012 1:15 pm

Callum Clark likes this post......

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PJ November 16, 2012 1:54 pm

Deliberate foul play, there is no other reason for this to have happened. Can't believe people are trying to excuse this.

Ellison clearly takes Grant's arm and rolls over to use his weight to bend the arm the wrong way. Grant is clearly trying to get free

Its nowhere near the ball and not even in the ruck. There is absolutely no excuse for play like this

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stroudos November 16, 2012 3:32 pm

There is one funny thing about this video - prop asking a wing to come in and defend him from a bully!

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Lucius November 16, 2012 4:24 pm

That's an MMA stuff

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V-rocket November 17, 2012 4:41 pm

What is this rugby or BJJ? It looks pretty deliberate from where im sitting

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