Thursday, December 06, 2012
Chris Hala'ufia suspended for five weeks after straight red card

London Irish number eight Chris Hala'ufia has been banned for five weeks following a straight red card for a big tackle against London Welsh last weekend. Both team's coaches however felt it was a tough call and probably shouldn't have been a red card.
Hard hitting Hala'ufia has a history of suspensions, usually for high or dangerous tackles, so it's no surprise that after the latest incident he has been banned for five weeks.
The actual severity of the offence itself though has been questioned by many, including opposition coach Lyn Jones, who said that he was unlucky to be sent from the field.
"It was a good tackle, which turned into a suspect tackle," said Jones of the hit on Seb Jewell.
"Sam Warburton was red-carded for exactly the same incident in last year’s World Cup semi-final.
"It was just unfortunate. I don’t think there was any malice or intent in it. Sometimes referees’ hands are tied in these situations. It certainly influenced the rest of the game."
The 34-year-old Tongan was shown red just ten minutes after kickoff, which no doubt had an affect on his side's 15-9 loss to London Welsh.
The tackle itself appeared to be okay but as Jewell jumped into it, the force meant he landed on his back, which sent his legs flailing and past the horizontal. These days that sends off red flags in the officials' minds. Whether the law is correct at the moment or not remains a hot talking point.
What are your thoughts on this tackle in particular?
UPDATE: Hala'ufia has successfully appealed his ban and is free to play immediately.
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DanKnapp December 06, 2012 1:43 pm
Dangerous tackle undoubtedly though, so perhaps a red is right (although does seem harsh).
Andy December 06, 2012 1:46 pm

No malice intended in my view.
AngloExile December 06, 2012 1:46 pm

jeppy89 December 06, 2012 1:47 pm

Warburton lost control of his man, (not in my opinion deliberately) but thats what makes it so dangerous. Hala'ufia seems a touch hard done to here.
Id also like to say how commendable his lack of protest was and his attempt to find jewell and shake his hand. Makes a big difference from the thug that hit morgan.
the five weeks is all on his history, shame this has made any future decisions even easier for the ref, hes a marked lad now
matt December 06, 2012 5:54 pm

As far as his history goes I'm a big fan of banning people according to their track record, and he has a pretty poor one. He's had his warnings, I don't see why other players should be put at risk by a man who the officials know is unable, or unwilling, to control his own tackling.
Full Back December 06, 2012 6:21 pm

Here we see a tackle at a certain speed that a player has to commit to. Hala'ufia didn't even go in high here, it was Jewell's jump that led to him flying back the way he did. He went in expecting resistance and found himself with a light player who's feet were off the ground, momentum did the rest.
In this case Jewell put himself at risk by his own actions, I don't see why another player has to be banned as a consequence, record or no record.
What does a ban serve here? Do coaches now start teaching players to fall back in the tackle because driving through can lead to terrible refereeing decisions?
Morri December 07, 2012 10:43 am

TechnoMouse December 06, 2012 1:47 pm
craig December 06, 2012 1:53 pm

i think that the laws of the game there for the safety and are a good thing, however i still think that the interpretation of these laws is for the match officials and some level of discretion needs to be used. there was clearly a tip in the tackle (which the laws say is a red card) however there was not malus, there was not reckless or stupid action and there was not injury to jewell. therefore as it was a tip tackle there should be a penalty against Hala'Ufia, the ref should give him a warning and nothing more should be done about it.
matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:27 pm
I agree with your a and b - not c. Players can get injured through perfectly legal tackles.
Shouldn't have even a penalty. Should have been play on. Rugbydump could have uploaded the clip as a monster hit, which we could have all enjoyed rather debating a poor ref's decision.
Chris December 06, 2012 5:58 pm

Jewell's legs were straight up in the air and so was part of his lower back. This made the decision by the ref very easy. Add on to this that at the pre-match briefing he was probably told to look out for the #8, and that the refs have been told to punish this type of tackle more seriously due to the increasing number of serious head and spinal injuries resulting from tip/spear tackles. It is all up to the #8 to make sure that his tackle is legal. No responsibility on the guy getting hit. And refs have also been told to judge based on what they see, and not question motive or intent, and you hear the ref saying exactly that.
matt December 06, 2012 6:06 pm

And Mr Mauler most people seem to agree with the ref at the time, on first instance it did look like it fit all the requirements of a red card offence, and he had no TMO to call on, its the very general wording of the laws and the citing that seems to be what most people don't like.
magicmerv December 06, 2012 8:07 pm

As per commentary that's a great hit from a big man on a smaller one; these decisions might be correct by the law but the law is an ass!
I agree with Brian Smith a rugby league style 'on report' system needs to be introduced. This hit, Warburton's in the world cup and many others had no great effort on the game but the red card's clearly did.
Everything in rugby training now is based around power in the contact area, these laws are armed at powering down the defence – if every time a player is knocked backwards in a tackle, and the tackler and/or official’s first thought is to this law there’s a problem.
You’ll get more tries but the game will be the worse for it!!
Johnny December 06, 2012 2:04 pm

Still, a bit unlucky for Hala'ufia - it's not obvious that he meant anything other than a huge tackle.
Gert December 06, 2012 2:09 pm

BDC December 06, 2012 2:55 pm

Jimmy Rolland December 06, 2012 3:04 pm

matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:22 pm
Punishment should be handed out to people who cause injury due to illegal play - gouging, spear tackles, stomping on heads, violent acts etc... but the second you start worrying about injuries in the tackle is when more injuries will happen and worse the game will get.
matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:23 pm
katman December 06, 2012 3:05 pm
But even worse, how the hell did they give him 5 weeks for this? I can understand a ref getting it wrong on the field, but a bunch of blokes with a TV and access to rewind? What game are these people watching?
flanker2712 December 06, 2012 4:28 pm

The players themselves know what a dangerous tackle is, and their reaction is often a reliable indication of foul play. In this case, there was absolutely no reaction from the other players - indeed, as he is making his way off the field it looks as if more opposition players are making their way towards him to say "Unlucky mate".
Full Back December 06, 2012 6:26 pm

matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:17 pm
The player lands and plays the ball. Both sets of forward continue with the game. No players reacted in a manner which reflected something dangerous or illegal happened - you know the usual pushing and shoving etc...
Not only did the person tackle accpet the apology other players in the Welsh team seemed to sympathise with the player.
In rugby sometimes when it's a big man hitting a small man, the small man comes off worse. That's part and parcel. And there's very little the tackler can do - we're talking milliseconds in terms of defining an outcome. The only way you can guarantee a textbook non-dangerous tackle is going round the ankles, which in this day and age is totally pointless as the team will just offload/get quick ball or not go into the tackle fully committed, which is contrary to the sport and will likely result in injury to the tackler. How long until players cynically manipulate the contact to encourage others to be sent off - it's easier than you think to let yourself be lifted or to take produce a high tackle.
Speak to the players. Very few will ever have an issue with something that results in a yellow or red card. The ref's really need to get a grip. They're ruining our game!
matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:29 pm
Henkie December 06, 2012 3:31 pm

The refs word is law and the player accepts it. When he leaves the field he shakes hands with the opposite player and indirectly shows there wasn't any malicious intention.
I bring this up, because there is a big discussion going on in Holland about values and sportsmanship. Last weekend a soccer linesman was abused by three 16 year olds and died afterwards, probably because the linesman made some dubious decisions.
Glad to see that the first rugbyvid I watched today shows what great values our sport has.
Btw, tackle was in my opinion borderline. Can understand the red card, but I don't agree.
DanKnapp December 06, 2012 4:56 pm
Also, kudos to the ref - he called it as he saw it and didn't go to the TMO. Takes guts to make that call, and glad to see nobody questioned it after.
DanKnapp December 06, 2012 5:00 pm
Pretzel December 06, 2012 5:41 pm
Stubby December 06, 2012 3:37 pm

matt the mauler December 06, 2012 3:39 pm
James Murray December 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Full Back December 06, 2012 6:30 pm

There seems to be alot of this on RD lately, yesterday I read "you guys are all stupid".
So the question is, Trolls or pure ignorance?
Full Back December 06, 2012 7:25 pm

browner December 06, 2012 10:49 pm

Guys, if the official thinks it was dangerous , then it was ....... move on.
Surely this player must start modifying his 'through the top of the chest' tackling style , it's not a ball winning style it's purely to hurt & therefore treads the slippery 'dangerous' tightrope
James Murray December 06, 2012 3:40 pm

James Murray December 06, 2012 3:43 pm

Bootsy December 06, 2012 4:10 pm

Never a red card in reality, but refereeing is becoming a box ticking exercise (no fault of the refs but the rules themselves) and that was why he went off IMO.
sithepie December 06, 2012 4:44 pm

downwithdropgoals December 06, 2012 6:33 pm

Full Back December 06, 2012 6:35 pm

Personally I don't think it was even a foul let alone a red, I can understand the captains point of view.
Where do we go from here? Wingers who can do backflips exaggerating bounce-offs to get rid of opposition players? Lets hope the sportsmanship lasts and has the final say because the powers that be seem to have their heads up their arses...in my opinion anyway
Sud DMPRFC December 06, 2012 5:33 pm

Jimothy December 06, 2012 5:37 pm

Think the IRB needs to sort their sh+t out as the whole process is become a joke!!!
Pretzel December 06, 2012 5:40 pm
Personally I find these sorts of tackles to be very risky. Not because of the risks of injuries (landing flat on ones back doesn't tend to cause ANY injuries) but more because of the interpretation; legs waving in the air look nasty and may prove to be what the referee sees, rather than the upper body flat on the ground...
I suppose for me to say "I think this is a yellow" is incorrect, the referee, the judges etc have all stated this was a red card offence, not in that choice of words, but the red card and the 5 week ban say as much. Someone made a point about TSRB's and how many tackles look the same as this, I think they're right, I think to judge a tackle by the positioning of the legs is not always going to yield fair outcomes...
Pretzel December 06, 2012 5:43 pm
browner December 06, 2012 10:52 pm

Cos he's a mean tough buggerlugs
xx
Pretzel December 07, 2012 3:06 am
Pretzel December 07, 2012 1:10 pm
James December 06, 2012 5:43 pm

Caveman December 06, 2012 5:48 pm

Erik December 06, 2012 5:49 pm

London Irish number eight Chris Hala'ufia has been banned for five weeks following a straight red card for a big tackle against London WELSH last weekend.
Rugbydump December 07, 2012 1:42 pm
Red card.
Gee Dubya December 06, 2012 5:53 pm

Teddy December 06, 2012 5:53 pm

I can't blame the ref at all for his and the AR's decision on the field, at speed it looked bad and the player ended up in a potentially dangerous position.
As for the ban, well, that seems a bit excessive, but it was almost entirely down to the poor disciplinary record of the Tackler. A first offence would be no further action
Sam December 06, 2012 5:58 pm

rudwuan7 December 06, 2012 6:07 pm

2) the bath leicester game is a prime example of the tmo executing (technically) the right decision but then blowing all credibility by being unable to identify a name or number for the leicester player (dan bowden) and claiming donald threw punches???????.
3) the 5 week ban for hala'ufia sickens me. it sickens me because he is 34 and most likely won't get signed by a top team. he is a quality player and i know he's definately done some bad things in the past but it's obvious his demeanour is one of good nature... there would be a few players who would be all macho about a hit like that.
flanker2712 December 06, 2012 6:10 pm

Lineout was well and truly over by the time the tackle was made! But as only fussy nobs like me check these things, it was a great excuse to get out of being involved in anything controversial.
5 week ban for lying to the referee.
Maybe I am being a bit harsh here - maybe he didn't see it because of the players near the tackle. My point is that even if he did see it, I am sure he would have said the same thing so as not to risk being put on the spot.
Is that what we wnat from touch judges?
DAN December 06, 2012 6:23 pm

LoganSinclair December 06, 2012 6:33 pm

downwithdropgoals December 06, 2012 6:39 pm

Also this is nothing like the Warburton red, he was sent off for dropping the player when over the horizontal!
Jackson C December 06, 2012 6:44 pm

browner December 06, 2012 10:55 pm

al_woody7 December 06, 2012 6:46 pm

Yellow would have been questionable let alone red.
And it was nothing like Warburton's, what a terrible shout, which too shouldn't have been a red.
What is this game coming to? First NRL bans shoulder charges and now you can't tackle hard!
Full Back December 06, 2012 6:49 pm

Isn't there a tag league these citing commissioners can go and watch?
Gonzoman December 06, 2012 7:01 pm
"Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player's feet are still off the ground such that the player's head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play."
His upper body did come into contact with the ground while his feet were still off the ground...but really?
It wasn't particularly dangerous. Old mate was only really in danger of being winded, as he lands pretty much flat on his back. His head and neck and shoulders were in no danger. The only reason Jewell's legs went beyond the horizontal (not in the rules, but a guidline" is because he was folded like a cheap lawn-chair, and deservedly so.
I can see maybe giving a penalty for that hit to help set the tone and manage the game (it WAS borderline) but carding for that is definitely a stretch. I agree that his history makes for the lengthy ban, but disagree that there should even be a ban.
matt the mauler December 07, 2012 3:16 pm
There's very little difference to the excellent hit George North did on Owen Farrell in the 6 Nations http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/03/2377/the-big-hits-try-savers-and-collisions-from-england-vs-wales (at 1mins).
Wuido December 06, 2012 7:35 pm

suntzu December 06, 2012 7:38 pm

RugBG December 06, 2012 9:02 pm

Kiwijase December 06, 2012 11:29 pm

No question, spear & reckless.
Sorry but reputation counts also...
galwegian December 07, 2012 12:49 am

In the current situation the tackled player upends, and the tackler's responsibility is to make sure he goes down no more than horizontal, but he seems to go a bit beyond that angle here. The ref had no option except a red card.
Tackles need to be lower, no higher than the crest. There should be nothing more important to the genuine rugby fan than the player's brain and spinal cord. I suspect that commenters here who have never really played hard are the most vociferous advocates of the big, borderline legal hits. Go look for your entertainment elsewhere, guys, there are players' lives and well-being at stake here.
Full Back December 07, 2012 11:53 am

On this particular incident however, I don't think borderline applies, the initial contact is made below the chest. The force of the impact is understandable, the guy saw a player coming at him at speed and he went to meet him. The way Jewell flew back is more a consequence if his own actions than anything.
The only foul I see here is Jewell jumping into the tackle, which if I'm not wrong is not allowed.
Rikovich December 07, 2012 9:15 am

In the Netherlands a soccer ref got kicked and beaten till he died. Now everyone here is saying the only solution for soccer is rugby. And I think they're right.
Promin42 December 07, 2012 9:30 am

Before the IRB ends up with a sanitised version of the game nobody wants to watch or play I think they should consult the players themselves as to what they think should and shouldn't be allowed. Clearly current England International James Haskell doesn't have a problem with this tackle and responds accordingly by pointing out on twitter running into Hala'ufia isn't something he'd advise.
?@jameshaskell
@Eliota_Sapolu what a hit, reminds me never to run at him. Only looks bad because a bigger man hit a smaller man, when 2 opposites collide.
ScrumDaft December 07, 2012 10:36 am

JM_2012 December 07, 2012 2:49 pm

Rugbydump December 07, 2012 4:09 pm
downwithdropgoals December 07, 2012 5:35 pm

Pretzel December 07, 2012 5:57 pm
This says that either the panel think that he was WRONGFULLY carded or that a red card was sufficient enough punishment. But to go from 5 weeks to nothing is pathetic.
...but then why am I so surprised?
stroudos December 07, 2012 11:43 pm
Str18kiwi December 09, 2012 5:32 pm

Not a malicious tackle, just unfortunate timing on the London welsh players part for jumping into the tackle....
What should the London Irish player do...? Hit him softly because he can't get his body position right? These descions ruin rugby!
Will.F December 09, 2012 9:10 pm

Willwillrob December 10, 2012 7:16 pm

browner April 16, 2013 6:27 pm

Broke the Rules and have been sla - ted , men who’d flee'd from Wales
Championship they are re-tur-ning, Premiership road maps now need bur - ning
Quick return they will be yearning , perhaps in thirty years ?
Losing Premiership status hur – urts, but their Brains live on their Shir – irts,
Un-like the Scots they don’t wear skir-irts ... & now the dragon weeps
Wages slashed to what they're wo-orth, an M4 trip back home to Por-orth
Opposite direction drives George Nor-orth, Midlands homeward bound.
Hope the fans enjoyed their fa – ame, we’d like to see you soon aga-ain
Being bad is not a sha – aaaaammmmmme ..........
.......... Just ask London Scots !



















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