Monday, February 04, 2013
Big fight between Belgium and Georgia in Rugby World Cup qualifier
The Six Nations B got under way on Saturday with a Rugby World Cup 2015 qualifier between Belgium and Georgia in Brussels. Unfortunately the game started off in poor spirit with a huge brawl between the two sides.
Favourites Georgia have have a few French based players and have played in three World Cup's already, so Belgium were the underdogs, but managed to give them a bit of a scare, leading 13-3 early in the second half.
Georgia's experience told though and they came back to win the match 17-13.
Both sides were fired up and within minutes of kick off things turned ugly, with Montpellier's big bruiser Mamuka Gorgodze in the thick of it. It was difficult to see what started it other than possibly a dummy run in midfield that led to contact.
The referee opted to red card a player from each side, as props Davit Kubraishvili of Georgia and Maxime Jadot of Belgium were sent off.
Update: You can see a match report below (thanks Atilla), and below that, two other videos showing different angles of the fight.
Credit to the uploaders
Posted at 12:17 pm | 41 comments
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CambridgeshireKid February 04, 2013 5:45 pm
Georgia need to stop fighting in every match they play in! The Georgia No.5 and blindside both need very long bans.
Riggler February 04, 2013 5:52 pm
I get the feeling the 6 won't be playing again for a very long time. Did I miss what the 11 did to annoy him?
Citing Commissioner February 04, 2013 6:07 pm
I had a good look and all he did was walk towards the original scuffle, then he got unleashed upon. It's not just #6 that needs a ban, about half the Georgian team were punching anything that moved.
123fuckaducks February 04, 2013 6:01 pm
il est réellement dommage que pour la première apparition du rugby belge sur votre site que j’apprécie énormément) vous vous arretez à ca.... nous sommes en plaine evolution rugbystique, nous venons de mettre le doute a une equipe de georgie qui pretend au quart de finale de la prochaine coupe du monde.... alors que nous venons de monter de division... je pense que cela aurait meriter plus qu'une simple generaite sur une bagarre.....
Rugger_07 February 04, 2013 6:04 pm
Georgia is starting a fight again... surprise surprise
Kay February 04, 2013 6:08 pm
Completely agree CambridgeshireKid - that blind side just saw the smallest player in the group by the look of it and decided to go for him as the 11 was not even throwing any punches and had just walked over. Makes the Georgians just look like a load of stupid thugs.
Disagree February 05, 2013 6:43 am
Kay, they picked all they found on their way as they play as a team and fight as a team but this is not the point. Belgium does not know how to play and were provoking and traumatizing professional players of the Georgian team (majority of which play for French teams). Belgium needed to be thought a lesson-dont start the fight you cant finish. this is not ping pong
Atilla February 05, 2013 9:33 am
"Belgian does not how to play..." Hmm, so Georgia was just playing awful? At HT Belgium was leading 13 - 3. About the professional player thing: Nr. 11 from Belgium is Gorgodze's teammate at Montpellier. Nr.6 from Georgia, Kolelishvili (I don't have to google it because I've got the match report ;-)) is just a loose cannon, a bit like his teammate Cudmore at ASM.
But still, the "pro team" won with a small difference of 4 points against the "amateur team". The Germans got beaten by Georgia with a difference of 50-60 points. It was their first year in division one and they went down quickly. At least Belgium is not afraid to stand up against a rugby nations like Georgia.
I was hoping that a smaller nation as Belgium got a bit of respect after such a big game against Georgia, but all I'm reading here is that Georgians are better fighters than Belgium. I guess a lot of you are just biased and even the Georgian fans at the game had to admit that Belgium is strong enough to compete with teams like Georgia.
Maybe we can stop whining about the fighting and start talking a bit about the rugby. After all, it was an enjoyable game.
But still, the "pro team" won with a small difference of 4 points against the "amateur team". The Germans got beaten by Georgia with a difference of 50-60 points. It was their first year in division one and they went down quickly. At least Belgium is not afraid to stand up against a rugby nations like Georgia.
I was hoping that a smaller nation as Belgium got a bit of respect after such a big game against Georgia, but all I'm reading here is that Georgians are better fighters than Belgium. I guess a lot of you are just biased and even the Georgian fans at the game had to admit that Belgium is strong enough to compete with teams like Georgia.
Maybe we can stop whining about the fighting and start talking a bit about the rugby. After all, it was an enjoyable game.
Kris Van Damme February 05, 2013 9:47 am
N° 11 is an amateur-player of Soignies, Belgium (Andre Thibaut). I've known him all his rugby-life and he's one of the kindest and most sportmanslike players I have ever met. It is a miracle how he got out of this assault without any serious damage, and the way he got back into the game is an example for every rugby player. He and his team mates did what nobody could have predicted : take a bonus-point against a team that has simply destroyed every previous newcomer in ENC 1A. It is not over yet !
Atilla February 05, 2013 9:54 am
Sorry, made a small mistake, thx to sportkipik. They state that Guillaume Piron (Montpellier) was playing in the nr. 11 jersey. But indeed, according to the game sheet it's Andre Thibaut. Guillaume played on the centre.
FelipeG February 06, 2013 5:47 pm
The exact pre historic kind of state of mind that should disappear quickly from the game. To teach a lesson, you use tries, not fists. And I you can't, maybe its because there are no lessons to be taught.
Atilla February 04, 2013 6:19 pm
It's a pitty that RD is not showing some other highlights of the game. There was some very nice rugby after the brawl. Actually, the brawl was in the 3rd minute of the game. The other 77 minutes were a lot better. Referee dealt correctly with imo.
By the way: there is some other footage were a Belgian referee explains it's not the appropriate behaviour and it's something form 20 years ago.
http://tvbrussel.be/nl/video/8/rugby-belgi%C3%AB-stunt-bijna-tegen-georgi%C3%AB
By the way: there is some other footage were a Belgian referee explains it's not the appropriate behaviour and it's something form 20 years ago.
http://tvbrussel.be/nl/video/8/rugby-belgi%C3%AB-stunt-bijna-tegen-georgi%C3%AB
Ottawa Rugger February 04, 2013 8:28 pm
Thanks for posting that video! That seems like an awesome match, and a great crowd. Lots of home support. I wish Belgian rugby all the best!
Rugbydump February 04, 2013 9:14 pm
Thanks Atilla - that match report has now been added.
Jimothy February 04, 2013 7:25 pm
What an absolute disgrace to the sport! Having watched it several times I think the whole team need banning for a very long time! Think someone else mentioned but several Georgian players just run around punching anyone they can get their hands on! Would be very interested to know what the CC has to say about this!!!!
Disagree February 05, 2013 6:56 am
Right! Georgians should have run around and distribute lollipops to the B's team after they held and punched their player without the ball.
Feddderico February 05, 2013 1:29 am
Im really happy seeing Belgium progressing in rugby! Also because I have Belgian ancestry.
Georgia needs to stop fighting in every match they play. That is not a good image for them and for rugby... and Mamuka suck at fighting! I saw other fights of him and yep.. he sucks.
Georgia needs to stop fighting in every match they play. That is not a good image for them and for rugby... and Mamuka suck at fighting! I saw other fights of him and yep.. he sucks.
Happy for you! February 05, 2013 7:00 am
I am really happy that you see some progress. I hope Belgium would create a better image i.e. do not start fight and if you did help each other. PS Glad you learned Mamuka's name. I am sure tons of Georgian fans are googling Belgian players right now...just like you were looking for Mamuka's fights...none which he lost..."yep he sucks"
Rugby13 February 08, 2013 2:14 pm
I would like to see you go against him in a fight Fedderico
Well done Belgium for a good game, but disgrace to them for starting a fight and then running back like chicken, and having everybody talk how bad Georgians are. Belgium lost a fight and the game they were winning by 10 points at their home ground, so well done Georgia. I am sure Belgium will get warm welcome next year in Georgian Capital.
This fight was in Belgian game plan, to distract Georgian players form their game plan.
Good luck to Belgium in next games. We will see how good they really are by the end of the ENC
Well done Belgium for a good game, but disgrace to them for starting a fight and then running back like chicken, and having everybody talk how bad Georgians are. Belgium lost a fight and the game they were winning by 10 points at their home ground, so well done Georgia. I am sure Belgium will get warm welcome next year in Georgian Capital.
This fight was in Belgian game plan, to distract Georgian players form their game plan.
Good luck to Belgium in next games. We will see how good they really are by the end of the ENC
rugbygeorgia March 20, 2013 2:52 pm
Feddderico,give me a link of a video in which mamuka gorgodze loses a fight as you say mamuka sucks at fighting
matt April 17, 2013 4:38 pm
Why is fighting a point of pride? If that's what you want to do, go take up boxing, there is more money, fame and status in that. This is rugby, it is not a place for violent thugs to strut around boasting about how great they are at fighting.
FAIR February 05, 2013 3:03 am
It is crystal clear that Belgium started it. They knew this would be the only way to have even a slight chance to win against Georgia. Belgium have only themselves to blame ---THEY GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED and no need to complain. Shouldn't have started what they could not finish and picking this tactics against Georgia proved to be wrong---THEY SIMPLY BETTER PLAYERS AND BETTER FIGHTERS. ALSO, Georgians do not fight in every game...they only beat Russians once or twice for a reason.
Real Rugby February 05, 2013 6:46 am
All you have left is whining. You you beat Georgia you would be bragging about how great you are. Lost the fight and lost the game...cut on Belgian waffles
Disagree February 05, 2013 3:02 pm
I do give Belgium a credit for a nice try but using the tactics of provocation against the stronger team ("hit and run") does not deserve any respect. They almost got the result thought, so you should be proud but they dont get my respect.
Atilla February 05, 2013 3:44 pm
I find it very hard to see who started the fight and both sides are blaming each other. But if they were constantly provoking the other team (which I doubt), than it's the referee who has to deal with the situation (which he did correctly imo).
FelipeG February 06, 2013 6:10 pm
Constantly provoking for....let me see....ah, yes, 3minutes.
I always found it very cool for Georgia to have such a good team. I like underdogs and I hope all the rugby underdogs will get better and challenge the establishment. But this attitude here is really sad. There is no "you got what you deserve". This is the ugly side of a violent amateur rugby. Nothing to do with the spirit of the game.
Truth is, Georgia had a hard time versus Belgium because Belgium is getting better and better. Now our rugby team is as good as our soccer team, 10 years ago no one could have predicted that! So let's forget this mess and rejoice!
I always found it very cool for Georgia to have such a good team. I like underdogs and I hope all the rugby underdogs will get better and challenge the establishment. But this attitude here is really sad. There is no "you got what you deserve". This is the ugly side of a violent amateur rugby. Nothing to do with the spirit of the game.
Truth is, Georgia had a hard time versus Belgium because Belgium is getting better and better. Now our rugby team is as good as our soccer team, 10 years ago no one could have predicted that! So let's forget this mess and rejoice!
johnvg February 10, 2013 10:47 am
Guys what makes you think that belgium provoked Georgia.
I was at the stadium and Georgia said to belgium number 3 -you belgian suck- so the belgian simply said -shut up- so the Georgian hit him. they admited it after the game.
I was at the stadium and Georgia said to belgium number 3 -you belgian suck- so the belgian simply said -shut up- so the Georgian hit him. they admited it after the game.
Johan February 13, 2013 3:10 pm
No this is not true...they never admitted this. Conversely, I read an interview of a Georgia player who said that Belgians provoked them on purpose and this was part of their tactic that partially worked. Besides, how can you possibly hear who said to what at the stadium. They key is who needed it? The answer is clear - the only side who would and did benefit is Belgium.
johnvg February 25, 2013 5:25 pm
look i admit that georgia is better but stop saying you crush us because it's not true. we where winning at the first half. and saying that it was are tactic and saying heard that from a georgian interview that's just a stupid excuse because how would he know
David February 11, 2013 1:04 am
where are you from ?? if you are from belgium , thatswhy you are saying things like that ... belgium have no chances against georgia ) georgians are much better but they have a new coach and he is trying to change the style and the players are tying a lot of new things that they are not used to do and thatswhy they did not look okay during the match
Thom February 14, 2013 9:53 pm
As someone not from either country, I have to say the Georgians were a disgrace.
Sure, maybe the Belgians started it with a couple swings but you don't go chasing after people, punching from behind, hitting people who aren't involved.
We don't know who started it but the Georgians were an absolute shambles after the first punch. I think they should get some form of team suspension. I don't care how good they are at fighting, give them a ban and let them go box in a ring.
Sure, maybe the Belgians started it with a couple swings but you don't go chasing after people, punching from behind, hitting people who aren't involved.
We don't know who started it but the Georgians were an absolute shambles after the first punch. I think they should get some form of team suspension. I don't care how good they are at fighting, give them a ban and let them go box in a ring.
matt April 17, 2013 4:42 pm
I agree, and this "Belgium were winding us up" is about the most childish excuse I can imagine. Of course they were, you have a history of losing your cool, all this excuse proves is that the Georgian players are exactly as gullible and violent as people think.
Disgrace to rugby February 17, 2013 4:56 pm
The Georgians in this thread are a disgrace to our game. Please take your biased and pro fighting attitude to other places. We pride ourselves on rugby being a family game. I'm embarrassed for you and Georgian rugby.
Does anyone have updates for the Georgian rugby bans?
Does anyone have updates for the Georgian rugby bans?
Hooker February 21, 2013 5:01 am
I absolutely agree with you. I am pleased that there is a team which plays boldly in the 6NB with the leaders of the group. The game with Spain is proof of that. It is interesting to see who will fly out of 6NB next year, I'm not sure that it would be Belgium. As for my Georgia - unfortunately discipline is our problem. Was a provocation or not - punish with score
matt April 17, 2013 4:43 pm
Well said, scoreboard is the way to punish an oppo
RugbyGeorgia March 20, 2013 3:02 pm
i know it looked bad how georgian players ran and punched everyone they saw, but it's in their spirit, when one georgian fights,they can't just look at them, they HAVE to help them. that belgian number three got what he deserved as he punched a georgian player who was on the ground, mamuka kicked his ass
ban some more March 25, 2013 12:06 am
Rugbygeorgia, the georgian team didn't really had a spirit to HELP their teammates they had the spirit to just punch some guys to make an impression. I don't believe this is a great spirit to play rugby with. It's trough helping your team mates during a fight is about teamspirit but this doesn't involve punching players who have nothing to do with it or involving 'innocents' to the fight. You just are a georgian fan, not really an objective comment of you I think.
matt April 17, 2013 4:46 pm
The Swedes had Viking raids, pilaging and rape in their spirits back in the day, I suppose we should allow them to bring swords on the pitch too?
Thankfully they outgrew this, and Georgia needs to outgrow it's apparent love of violence too, it is not a good image to be portraying.
Thankfully they outgrew this, and Georgia needs to outgrow it's apparent love of violence too, it is not a good image to be portraying.
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