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Tuesday, April 08, 2014

Heineken Cup 2014 Quarter Final Highlights

The Heineken Cup Semi Finals are decided following a thrilling weekend of Quarter Finals. Today we catch up and archive the highlights from all the matches, all in one place for easy viewing. Other random clips from the matches will be posted separately.

Below are the relevant links, but you can also view everything on one page by clicking View All

Munster vs Toulouse - View highlights
View Highlights   Munster scored six tries to beat Toulouse 47-23 at Thomond Park on Saturday. They channelled the energy of the home crowd as they scored through Keith Earls, Dave Kilcoyne, CJ Stander, Casey Laulala, Simon Zebo and Paul O'Connell.

Man of the Match was outstanding flanker CJ Stander.
     
Clermont vs Leicester Tigers - View Highlights
View Highlights   Clermont maintained their fantastic home record as they beat Leicester Tigers 22-16 after shooting off to a 16-0 lead in the first half. The Tigers fought back with a try to Jordan Crane, but Morgan Parra held them off with the boot.

Clermont are now unbeaten 75 times at Stade Marcel Michelin.
     
Ulster vs Saracens - View Highlights
View Highlights   Saracens beat 14-man Ulster 17-15 in a tense battle at Ravenhill in Belfast. Jared Payne was sent off in the fourth minute but Ulster refused to give up and actually led at half time, but two Chris Ashton tries proved too much.

Courageous stuff from Ulster but it was an uphill battle all day long.
     
Toulon vs Leinster - View Highlights
View Highlights   Defending champions Toulon won this titanic battle 29-14 at Stade Felix Mayol as they put an end to Brian O'Driscoll's European season. It was ultimately a comfortable victory, with second half tries to Xavier Chiocci and Drew Mitchell.

Jordi Murphy scored late in the game but Toulon held on.

At this stage in the tournament Ian Keatley of Munster and Jonny Wilkinson of Toulon are joint top points scorers, each with 79 points. Chris Ashton leads the top tries, with a total of 9, followed by Clermont's Napolioni Nalaga on 5. 

After the weekend's play, Saracens will host Clermont at Twickenham while Munster will take on champions Toulon in Marseille in the Heineken Cup semi finals on the weekend of 26-27 April.

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kanpai April 08, 2014 8:14 pm

About Munster / Toulouse :

Before starting my rant, i wan to make one thing clear : Munster deserve its win, there is no doubt about it. Whatever Toulouse would have done, we we're clearly not up to the level required, because we played poorly and stupidly for too long to expect anything else than this loss. Munster played well (even if they will need to step up for Toulon) nothing to argue about the win.

Now, there's two things that really bothered me during this game :

- Nigel Owens : he is surely one of the best referee in the world, and his referee style could lead to wonderful games... as long as no Irish teams are involved.
I hate to criticize the referee, but it's been now close to 6 years that it's going on (since a certain H-cup final in 2008, and maybe more but i didn't notice before), and i can't stand it. This man become one of the most one-sided person as soon as it involve irish teams. I don't know wether it's because he likes there playstyle, or if he likes Guiness, but he suddenly don't see any irish fault. Of course, it's nothing blatant, but small decisions that each time goes for one team and not the other. And the worst is that I don't think he is doing it consciously (unlike Joubert for example). A real shame.

- Video ref for fritz incident : Are you going to tell me that in Thomond Park, for a H-cup quarter final, there were only one camera (and from a really, really far point of view) that could be used ? Either Derek Bevan (video ref) is a scam (wouldn't really be surprised), or it's the irish TV director. And how can you explain that every other channel (french, british, even italian) were abble to give us more views ? I really hope there will be some consequences, because that unacceptable at this level.

That said congrats to the Munstermen for there deserved victory, to the public who was great, and don't worry, Toulouse will be back next year even stronger !

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45678 April 08, 2014 9:00 pm

I didn't see any bias from referees, only out of Stuart barnes's gob - love Irish teams, hate Leicester

However I did see some very inconsistent interpretations of the breakdown. One ruck where the referee calls hands out followed by an identical ruck where it was a free for all. It was a common theme in every game at the weekend for every team playing. I think this led to some difficulties for the players to know what was allowed, which prevented the games flowing

As for the Payne red card, I don't think anyone can really say it isn't a red. Intent or not, you can't just blindly run through a player in the air and clean their legs out

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DrG April 08, 2014 10:14 pm

Right here, right now, I'm saying it was not a red!

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flanker2712 April 08, 2014 10:48 pm

Not sure which statement from Stuart Barnes is evidence of his love of Irish teams. Of the highlights posted here, he only commentated on Leinster's game and there wasn't much to love there!

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Huh the 3rd!! April 09, 2014 2:28 am

I don't think Irish fans will agree with your statement after the last 2 close games against NZ where he awarded NZ a dubious scrum when Ireland were in the ascendancy in 2012 for Carter to score a drop goal in 79th minute and last November when he pinged Ireland for whatever it was (boring 1 man out rugby probably) to give NZ the chance to ultimately score their winning try in injury time!

Also, last season's HCup 1/2 Munster didn't get much change out of him against Clermont when they were also on top.

He is usually a home town ref though.

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kanpai April 09, 2014 9:59 am

I have to admit that i haven't seen these games, so i was unaware of it.
But the only games I've seen him act weirdly was with Irish teams involved,and i'm surely still a little biased myself, so maybe I've jumped to conclusions.
I still think he has incoherent calls (mostly rucks and maul), and rucks were a mess, but he has the merit to let the game flow.

And it's sad to say, but nowadays nearly every ref is a home town ref, despite their effort.

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larry April 10, 2014 2:42 pm

Well, if this was the same ref as that Ireland/NZ match last November, he missed at least one forward pass in that final rush to win the game. He calls it, Ireland win. He doesn't, and NZ win.

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Colombes April 09, 2014 12:46 pm

I won't react on your comments on Nigel Owens, cause i think it's a bit unfair to say he was biased, he's one of the best ref around. Munster was deserved winners.
And if you refer to the one-eyed Hcup final in 2008, i can understand, but it's far away now.

But i clearly join u on the florian fritz incident and i think ERC should reallly investigate!
Novès who rarely complain was dejected.

Only 2 large plans were offered to the video-ref by the irish television... which didn't help nigel owens to decide something.

Most surprising, british, italian and french tv had access to 8 others plans showed a clear deliberate stamping from an irish player on the head of Fritz.

40 pts defeat happens... but that sort of "incident" let an even more horrible taste in the mouth

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kanpai April 09, 2014 1:14 pm

Yeah, i shouldn't have bring Owens in the debate, because it's much more about personal feelings that pure facts (there is still this 2008 final in a corner of my head) . And when there is a game with no team I support, i enjoy his way of refereeing. Quite a paradox.

As I've said, Munster deserve to win, no doubt about it. Whatever i think of Owens, it still would have been the same result.

About the video ref, i've read that there won't be any citation, which seems really strange to me, as there is videos clearly showing fritz being stamped...

Anyone know if there is law about what the irish television must show during a video-ref ?


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Huh!! the 3rd April 11, 2014 1:39 am

Colombes and kanpai, Irish television doesn't have rights to the games. It was sky sports (british) and their cameras.

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WelshOsprey April 08, 2014 8:25 pm

Incredible heart from ulster. All the games were great.

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themull April 08, 2014 9:01 pm

Absolutely awful decision for the red card in the Ulster match.. Can clearly see the man's eyes on the ball up until the very last second, at which point there was no chance of being able to pull out..Just because he did not jump for the ball, does that then mean its is automatically a foul, even though he clearly was eyes all for the ball with his hands cupped to catch it,(up until the last half second before contact at which point there was no chance of avoiding it)...

Awful decision which ultimately probably cost ulster the chance of winning the match..

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Guest April 08, 2014 9:30 pm

I don't agree.
I know the intention wasn't there and his eyes were on the ball but how can't you send him off when the guy he smashed was out for the rest of the game (and could of have a serious enjury)... It would be too easy to just run into someone pretending your eyes are on the ball and by that falsing the game and maybe causing a serious injury. There was 90% of chances the guy that was going to compete for the ball (in this case Goode) was goint to jump for the ball and Jared Payne didn't even bother to contest it in the air, resulting in him crashing in for a very dangerous "tackle".
You just have to be 100% aware at this level.

(I do believe it was unintentional tho)

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DrG April 08, 2014 10:16 pm

Like I said below, I understand people can play the old "I was looking at the ball referee, honest.." card as they adjust their halo and angel wings, but you can't tell me that if you ever attempted to do that then you would run into the player face first.. he was more likely to do himself a world of injury before Goode..

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Facepalm April 08, 2014 10:35 pm

Why does the fact that his eyes were on the ball make the contact less dangerous? Payne made no attempt to compete. The actions of his body are clearly more important than the direction of his eyes. Goode came down with a sickening thud. Correct decision to give a red.

What was incredible was the heart shown by Ulster. I honestly don't believe any other team in the tournament could've been that competitive given the circumstances. Gotta feel for Paddy Jackson. I so wanted Ulster to win.

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FatProp April 10, 2014 10:51 am

Payne was reckless and stupid. That's it really, it is deem as a tackle in the rule book, and he has played a man in the air and put him beyond the horizontal. This is just what is in the rule book not my view. It is a red and as others say it is very easy to pretend that you didn't know the guy was going to be there. If it was an accident Payne might have shown more remorse than to put his hands up saying there is nothing wrong what's the problem. Payne has looked at the ball then down to adjust his run around players, how did he not see Goode running to the ball ? It's an up and under so why did he think that no-one would challenge him ?

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themull April 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Also Leinster played their worst HC cup match for a number of years..Toulon didn't really have to get out of 3rd gear all game, and were it not for some handling errors in the first half they could've been out of sight after about 25 minutes...They really missed Sexton in this game..his influence and skill could have dragged leinster back into the match..instead they looked gittery all game, dropping passes and making the wrong decisions..Reddan was really poor and it would seem it was a huge mistake to leave Cronin on the subs bench..

Considering how easily Toulon won, without ever really showing anything more than cruise control for most of the game, I would have to say they should be favorites to lift the cup..Munster's only chance is if they can do again what they did to Toulouse but away from home against that monster Toulon outfit, it will be a much much harder task..

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Eddie-g April 08, 2014 9:27 pm

@themull - I wouldn't call it an awful decision. I agree with your interpretation, he had his eyes on the ball throughout, and he couldn't avoid the collision. The problem, if there is one here, is the rule about hitting a player in the air. If the ref believed it was reckless, he has to give a red.

I'd compare it to the Warburton red in the last world cup - both incidents that happened so quickly in real time that it's impossible to conclude that there was any malicious intent. But for certain incidents, intent isn't supposed to be a factor, and that was the case here. Very tough on Payne and Ulster, but the ref wasn't at fault.

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db April 08, 2014 10:12 pm

Funny little swallow dive by Leicester's No8 if you watch the try in slow motion (around 2'00)

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DrG April 08, 2014 10:13 pm

That red card for the Ulster player was the biggest crock of shit I have seen in an awful long time.

I'm not being funny right, but lets say you play the whole "I want to mess up Goode by pretending I'm going for the ball" card, the last thing you are going to do is run into him face first! Even the likes of Schalk Burger and Lewis Moody who probably played most of their games concussed would be bright enough to not do that if they intended to hurt someone.

All this has done has now reduce the competitiveness for the high ball.. leap in the air, if the other guy knocks you then he gets a red card... Simple. Surely the next step will be to card a player that also jumps to compete for the ball but DOESN'T catch it and instead knocks the OTHER jumping player.

Absolute sham, and Eddie this is completely incomparable to the Warburton incident, especially seeing as the referee is allowed to use the big screen to see what's going on. Warburton (I would argue shouldn't have got a red) was tackling an opponent, this player (Payne is it?) was running to catch a ball and hit Goode face first.. Hardly the act of someone who has maliciousness in their mind..

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Danremont April 08, 2014 10:31 pm

Agree completely, this ruling now ensures that players will be launching themselves airborne to avoid a possible red card! Hardly ensuring player safety! It seems the hand around the hip may have convinced the hopeless officials this was a tackle.

On another note, I still find it amazing that some people think Warburton's red card was wrong, if you can't control your physicality you should not be on the pitch - smash away, pick guys up, just make sure not to send them head first towards the ground. I have no time for unskilled physicality, technique impresses me, blind strength does not. Warburton certainly has the ability to adapt and make sure he does not tackle other players, big or small like this again.

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Facepalm April 08, 2014 10:38 pm

Out of interest, what would your decision have been were you the referee?

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DrG April 09, 2014 10:08 am

@Facepalm, if I was in the referee's position I would hope that I'd get it up on the big screen have a look at it, see that it was clearly an accident and restart the game from where Goode fell.

I'm not going to write two full explanations as to why, but I'll write one lower down in reply to eddie et al.

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Eddie-g April 08, 2014 10:52 pm

I think you misread my comment.

If you think the red was an awful decision, which is a direct criticism of a ref's decision, you need to explain how. Saying it was unintentional, which I happen to agree with, is irrelevant in the context of the laws. If the ref believed it was reckless, it is a red card offence. Which also happens to be EXACTLY the same standard by which tip tackles are judged. To say this is nothing like Warburton's red means you've missed my point entirely.

Even further back, in the 07 World Cup, Burger got an off field red for a similar incident in a game v Samoa. Burger in his case actually did jump for the ball and ended up high tackling an opponent, so he too got done for recklessness.

This issue isn't new; and as I said, it was tough on Ulster. I agree there wasn't malice involved. But if you want to say the ref got this wrong, you haven't yet made a case.

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Reality April 08, 2014 11:20 pm

I understand why the referee might give a red card for that, but then again, I personally have never, ever seen a red card given for that, so I don't see why it was given in this case. Ronan O'Gara did it on the Lions tour and all that was given was a penalty. If Goode hadn't gotten hurt then the referee wouldn't have given a red card and I think that's a foolish way to judge the seriousness of an act of foul play. It was too stupid for words from Payne but red cards are supposed to be reserved for really bad acts of foul play like eye-gouging and punching people; not for a lack of awareness when chasing a high ball that leads to a nasty collision.

Then, according to the letter of the law, when the Saracens player tackled an Ulster player who had jumped in the lineout he committed the same offence as Payne and did it voluntarily but got just a penalty against him, which is a double-standard, according to the letter of the law.

Ulster looked like the team to beat this year and it's sickening to think that instead of them getting the chance to be crowned Europe's best their season has ended in failure because of one stupid incident from Payne.

And Eddie-g, you say that intent is irrelevant and maybe you're right in theory, but Garces said several times to the television match official that they needed to analyse the intention of Payne, so seemingly he did take intent into account.

All in all, I'm just really sad to see Ulster gone and the fact that Saracens barely scraped a victory against a 14-man team in my eyes shows the gulf in class between the two. A shame.

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Reality April 08, 2014 11:21 pm

I understand why the referee might give a red card for that, but then again, I personally have never, ever seen a red card given for that, so I don't see why it was given in this case. Ronan O'Gara did it on the Lions tour and all that was given was a penalty. If Goode hadn't gotten hurt then the referee wouldn't have given a red card and I think that's a foolish way to judge the seriousness of an act of foul play. It was too stupid for words from Payne but red cards are supposed to be reserved for really bad acts of foul play like eye-gouging and punching people; not for a lack of awareness when chasing a high ball that leads to a nasty collision.

Then, according to the letter of the law, when the Saracens player tackled an Ulster player who had jumped in the lineout he committed the same offence as Payne and did it voluntarily but got just a penalty against him, which is a double-standard, according to the letter of the law.

Ulster looked like the team to beat this year and it's sickening to think that instead of them getting the chance to be crowned Europe's best their season has ended in failure because of one stupid incident from Payne.

And Eddie-g, you say that intent is irrelevant and maybe you're right in theory, but Garces said several times to the television match official that they needed to analyse the intention of Payne, so seemingly he did take intent into account.

All in all, I'm just really sad to see Ulster gone and the fact that Saracens barely scraped a victory against a 14-man team in my eyes shows the gulf in class between the two. A shame.

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DrG April 09, 2014 10:39 am

Eddie, I totally understand your comment, what I am saying is that Warburton went into that situation attempting to tackle the French player, Payne on the other hand was attempting to catch a high ball... I understand that you are not trying to compare them on the actions alone but on their categories - reckless - but I for one will agree that Warburtons tackle was most likely reckless (and not deliberate) but there is no way I can class Goode's effort as reckless...

Look at the actual scenario, you are punishing someone for their commitment to catching a ball.. This is not a case of a reckless early tackle or someone jumping at the last second to catch the ball so you end up tackling them in the air, which could be deemed reckless.

Like I said if you want to start punishing people for legal play and take the competitiveness out of the game then that is all on you. I look forward to the next bunch of videos/penalties in the future where high crossfield kicks are now going to become key tactics to earn penalties and red cards.

If you think I haven't made a case that the referee was wrong by stating that Payne ran face first into another player whilst trying to catch the ball, then I'd imagine there is little point in continuing this discussion.

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Alex MC April 08, 2014 10:20 pm

I've never been overly excited about Chris Ashton, however, I think the fact that he checked on the Ulster player that hurdled over him before continuing with his try celebration truly embodies the spirit of rugby. Well done sir.

Excellent games this weekend, looking forward to the semis,
Cheers

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DrG April 09, 2014 2:20 am

Definitely not, Ashton knew how much of a prat the referee was and he was terrified of being shown a red card for a blatant tackle on a player in the air, (which would be totally consistent with an earlier ruling!)

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ConnachtMan April 09, 2014 9:09 am

Ashton may be a prat but he has some serious speed, he blew by the Ulster defence....

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tox April 09, 2014 4:52 pm

You'd have seen Jared Payne to be even faster had he not been sent off!

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Andinov April 10, 2014 1:03 am

Intention has to be taken into account. It is in every other red card decision (boot to head, tackling beyond the horizontal, head butting etc). I would have yellowed the player.

You can argue that Payne was cynical, deliberate and intended to injure the player but you could equally say that Goode was cynical making the most of the injury to get the player sent off (both untrue of course).

Is there also anything to be said for the timing of the incident. The referee as well as everybody in the stadium must have thought 'well that's game over'. To often in rugby a game is being decided by the referee and not the better team. This is driving fans away from the game

As someone else pointed out neither of these recieved a card!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0nl4gnUn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYHrZIcvqz8

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Saracen April 10, 2014 5:43 pm

Never ceases to amuse me about the number of so called rugby supporters who think the referee's always get it wrong. If you think you could do it, try it! It may drive fans like Andinov away from the game, but perhaps that's a bonus? In the meantime, I think it's very unwise to question the integrity of officials, go down that road and it will surely drive referee's away from the game! No officials, no game.

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themull April 11, 2014 9:26 am

I don't think anybody is questioning the referee's integrity here..We, who disagree with the decision, are merely stating hat he made a very big mistake..None of us said it was intentional, which would be an attack on his integrity..All referees make mistakes, but that doesn't mean you can expect people to be quiet when big mistakes are made...Sweeping mistakes by referees under the rug would be the absolute worst thing to do for the sport..They should be held accountable for bad decisions, or at least for continuous bad decisions, as they have been this year in Super Rugby..

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