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Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

backwards in my scenario meant towards their own dead ball line which they are facing... it would be the same as just dropping the ball on your knee except I specified which direction relative to the field of play they player was facing (which was same direction the ball was dropped).

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

That still leaves the question of why the head and chest are mentioned specifically as being a means of advancing the ball forward and the heel is excluded from the definition of a kick.

Would you accept that if a player were to turn such that they were facing their own dead ball line and drop the ball backwards onto their knee such that the ball traveled towards their opponent's dead ball line that a knock-on would called if the ball was not regathered before touching the ground?
The heel chip is the same premise.

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

In what I described possession was lost and the ball went forward and thus a knock-on has occurred. I am not saying there is a hidden agenda, in fact the fact that the contact with the heel does not constitute a kick supports my line of reasoning.

Even if you ignore the definition of a kick, a heel chip in which the ball touches the ground before it is recovered involves possession being lost and the ball traveling towards the opponent's dead ball line and is therefore a knock-on.

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

After some more reading I have concluded that as he never had possession of the ball, the heel tap has not violated any laws.

HOWEVER, if a ball carrier were to "chip" the ball forward with their heel and not regain possession before the ball hit the ground, it would satisfy the definition of a knock on in that possession was lost and the ball traveled towards the opponent's dead ball line.

Similarly were such a chip to be successful it could be deemed to be against the spirit of the laws in the same way that you are not allowed to throw the ball forward and regather it yourself before it touches the ground.

But in the case of this video, there I cannot make a case that what occurred is illegal.

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

http://www.irblaws.com/index.php?domain=2

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

Below is a link to the definitions page of the IRB law book.

"Kick: A kick is made by hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot, except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee; a kick must move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground."

While this does not specifically say that a "kick" using the heel is a knock on I have always interpreted this to imply that such use of the heel constitutes a knock on.

Clearly you cannot advance the ball towards the dead ball line using the heel, does anybody happen to know what the technical term for the infraction is if it is not a knock on?

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

My mistake re offside, the player was by rule onside.
The ball can be played on the leg below the knee and on the foot with the exception of the heel. Thus the heel tap is a knock on as the ball was directed towards the dead ball line.

1 Year, 8 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

Definitely offside, and then the heel tap is still a knock on

1 Year, 8 Months ago

 
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