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Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

I sort of disagree...but then I'm not a 10st10.... I often tend to hit with the shoulder, the arms are just like a guiding cradle at best, at worst they're an after thought that flies round after the shoulder has made the initial impact.. the difference being I don't tuck my arm in to make a hit with the point of my shoulder, which can make for poor technique as you reduce your catchment area...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

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3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

As above, read somewhere that SBW was red carded for this IN league (whether true or not)...

I think I've also seen a video on YouTube of a shoulder to the head = red in league... But not 100%

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Well, I think we somewhat agree all round, however that example I posted, the ball bounces.. and it is not too high to catch, the reason Cueto jumps is because he does not want to expose himself to Tuilagi coming in hard. I'm not suggesting that is a bad thing, I can understand it, and Tuilagi was in the wrong, however it's another example of a last minute "ok I'll jump to save myself" and the other player who was ready to make a 100% legal hit, ends up in big big trouble.... there are plenty more examples out there of similar nature.. I just can't be arsed to search for them.

Take care

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Yeh, but on the flipside doc, they only won by 3 points because they couldn't keep their bloody hands to themselves and keep their discipline.

You say AB's wasted 3 point opportunities...well those 3 point opportunities weren't down to poor drop goals, they were gifts from the ill disciplined Lions to the AB's.... one mans rubbish is anothers treasure...an all that....

I agree with you re the jump to catch a pass thing...but then I feel like rucking people on the ground should still be allowed, but it ain't....so clearly my opinions about what the laws should be and what they actually are, are two different things... so both you and I have to just accept it this time round.

Back onto the Vunipola thing again.... I already said, if it was a yellow, I'd say Vunipola was lucky to JUST get a yellow, if it was a red, I'd say he was unlucky to get a red... so imo, it's somewhere half and half.... however, as mentioned already, my opinion doesn't always = the actual laws...... But clearly the citing mob hasn't had an issue with it... so, should we chalk this down to: 1. You are right and referee was wrong, assistant referees were wrong, TMO was wrong, citing mob were wrong..... or...2. They're all right, and you're wrong... or 3. no one can really decide whether it was a soft yellow or a hard red.... so they sort of went in the middle and stuck with the yellow.... I genuinely don't know what to say, I don't think anyone could really complain if Vunipola got a red... but likewise, it was probably not as bad - outcome based, as SBW incident... which is probably why the referee didn't view it quite as harshly - rightly or wrongly.

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

AWJ gives Itoje one hell of an arse smacking shortly after...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

....it's a terrible source of reference, but I believe I read on youtube somewhere, someone mentioned he had been red carded for this sort of thing in League before... whether or not this is true I've yet to uncover, but on face value, you can say if it gets a red in league then it's probably 100% worth a red in union...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Jimmy, not that I disagree with your assessment on Barretts actions, but you're a man down, you're doing extremely well on the scoreboard, then you get clocked by a prop, he gets penalised then a short while later, he dives into you with a forearm/shoulder into your face... you know he left his feet and you know he made contact with your face...and you know your team mate was sent off for something similar.. It's not surprising he milked it really... Given the fact that in this day and age, if you make a deal about something the referee will look at it, I don't think Barrett had much choice...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Ok, after reading this, I forgive your comments earlier Larry...

doc, regarding your sentiments about some of the calls, I don't disagree entirely, however your attitude of "I won't say well done Lions", is a little sour grapes and pathetic... I'd have expected more from a kiwi, but then I guess there always has to be one twit in the group...

You say AB's lost it alone, the Lions NEARLY lost it by giving away such abysmal penalties in the first place, without those penalties I don't think the AB's would have been as close as they were.

Moving on... Vunipola yellow or red... I can see this call going either way. It was not directly comparable to SBW given that Barret was already heading backwards, whereas Watson was going forwards, so forces would have been less... however I'd argue similarities are vulnerable players and an illegal process leading to the impact anyway - SBW not attempting to use arms and Vunipola leaving his feet... It'd also be wise to take into account Vunipolas penalty, being his second in quick succession, on the same player... so again, it could go either way for me, yellow and I'd say Vunipola was lucky, red and I'd say Vunipola was unlucky.... (orange card maybe :/)

The jump to catch a pass... this has come around so many times it's boring to even consider.. but, player in the air cannot be touched... I don't like it, I don't like the last second jumps to catch a pass, or a kick... but the laws are the laws, they are available to you, I, anyone else and especially professional players... it's nothing new... an example of the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l91f28J_Ng

"real rugby"... not sure what the definition of that is... Last I heard it was two teams battling it out with an inflated egg shaped ball, kicking it, tackling each other, passing it and scoring a couple tries -with a few scrums, rucks, lineouts and mauls in amongst that too.... Were they playing fake or pretend rugby then??

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3 Months, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

For starters Larry, try not to confuse Youtube with this beloved site... the two are a bit few and far between....

Secondly, what is this about Trump supporters - 36% eh...??... I can't say I'm the biggest follower of US politics, but Trump is the current US president...that was decided through a democratic process and he won the most votes...I really don't have a clue what the world is on about regarding protests in the streets - 'not my president' BS...it's a democracy.. if it wasn't your vote then you're a minority and you have to accept what's happening until the next chance to "win"... want to be the minority that takes control then you're looking at a state that ignores the majority (however small) of the population... you'll end up with civil war... Same applies to this BS I hear about in the UK regarding Brexit and their latest election...majorities have spoken - stop whinging and make the most of the situation, even if it's a shitty choice.

Anyway.. as for this 14v15.. of course it's an excuse, it's not a bad excuse.. it's pretty factual.. the AB's played like almost no other team, when down 1 man for the majority (that word again) of the game... Taking out the variable context of rugby, you'd say, chances would be in AB's favour if it was 15v15... no one can say with any certainty it would be a guaranteed win to either side - and Vunipola was carded in the 50-60th minutes ish right? So AB's by that point had been playing against a fantastic team, they're bound to be tired and suffering and when Vunipola went off the Lions knew it was do or die, so you'd expect them to tighten up...

"They lost!"...yes they did, I'm not aware of anyone denying this anywhere...

Basically this all comes down to the analysis of the game. If you want to sit back and say AB's LOST, Lions WON end of story, then that's your choice, most other Lions fans will analysis, assess and figure out why the game didn't spiral into the Lions favour so that next test they can be better...

3 Months, 2 Weeks ago