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Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

Scotland need to find another gear, do all they did, and go one step better!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

I find the hype around the pre match very interesting, everyone saying Scotland has this huge heart and passion and desire... I don't deny that, but I feel the players have had that for the last 10 or more years and never quite delivered..or let the occasion get the better of them, passion turns into raw emotion, some Scotsman decides to punch some player in the gob on the 20m line at the 80min mark whilst leading by 1 point to demonstrate his passion, only the hand the game to the oppo.. or they get so excited they forget that after the initial whistle goes, you have to play for 80 mins and they get trounced...

England on the other hand, almost had; what one would assume, the correct stance, especially with Te'o (?) suggesting he doesn't know the history...kind of doesn't care... As in "focus on the rugby that is required to be played"... However, part of me feels that's a bit of an insult all round.. the guy afaik, was not born in England, yet through residency or whatever is playing for England.. to me that's not just a "yeh, you'll do lad, chuck on the white shirt" with him replying, "yeh alright, got sweet FA to do on Saturday anyway" sort of situation, it's a big deal! You're playing for YOUR country.
Take Dylan Hartley, he's a kiwi sure, but in my view he seems to have fully embraced the adopted country and take it as his own.

I fully expected this match to either be: Scotland getting schooled a la Wales match, or it being closer to start with, then the inevitable Scotland falling apart and handing England every opportunity going.. makes me wonder if the England team felt the same..they'd have to play hard and it'd no doubt be tough, but eventually the win would come..

I think they were complacent.

I hope for Scotland's sake they don't get complacent in victory and head over the Ireland thinking they're in for a good chance at winning based on the England match.. Ireland are going to see Scotland's true potential and they will put up a hell of a fight!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

I get what you're saying but my reference to "damage was done" was Nigel Owens actual words for drawing play back and penalising Launchbury. It seemed to me he more or less told Launchbury he treading a fine line, and Launchbury did as he was told and backed off, that, in some sense, should be the end of it, but Owens seemed to review it himself and tell himself that perhaps Launchbury just did that but too much before Owens warning... Basically, had Scotland recycled the ball on the same spot for 5 minutes, there would be no penalty/no advantage being played, but because the contrast was so huge with suddenly a try being scored, Owens decided that it was worth a penalty...

I do think perhaps the instructions were less to Scotland because their infringements were less/less impacting... However as Andy Nicol (was it?) said, "if you're an England fan you'll see a penalty in almost every ruck, if you're a Scottish fan you'll see a penalty in almost every ruck"... (I'm aware that is your point)... But I suppose it's up to the masses to decide if the balance was correct...

I do recall seeing a number of Scottish rucks with Scottish players at the very front, on their elbows... I assume there must have been English rucks with the same, but I didn't notice quite as much if I'm honest..

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

That was a very odd call to me, it seemed to me that Owens did exactly as you said above, then after the intercept was thrown he reviewed his own decision, he said the words "the damage was already done"...

...I believe he based that decision on the next phase of play... Launchbury slowed it down just enough to 'spoil' Scotland's flow, the pass was thrown and intercepted and I assume Owens had it in his head that had Launchbury not done that, the wild intercept pass wouldn't have been thrown...

Whether he's allowed to do all that I don't know...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Stockdale seals third straight Ireland win in Dublin thriller

It was a tough one to call!
Started off thinking, "this should be a close contest"
Ireland got on the scoreboard and I started thinking "wow, they're doing well, this could be a cricket score" then back came Wales...then off went Ireland...then back came Wales... It was mad.

Credit to Wales for making a phenomenal amount of tackles then still coming so close to a win/draw...

As AWJ said, would have been interesting to see how it would have panned out if there was an extra 10 mins... I suspect that last pass wouldn't have happened and perhaps Wales would have snuck their way up the pitch for a kick or other score...

One thing I enjoyed was Birdman Biggar flapping his arms in that catch tackle, then Ireland getting on top... Maybe play to the whistle??

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

I loved his try when he broke free, looked at his options and then just went "fk it, I'll go myself!" Straight between Brown and Watson (was it?)

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

* just watched the video on here and Underhill takes the card with no complaints and after the initial hit his forearm returns back to his stomach area.. maybe it was a pure shoulder...

Quite amused me seeing Robshaw clapping when Owens blew his whistle, only to turn to see it's a penalty against England hahaha!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Scotland claim first victory over England since 2008 in epic match

Brilliant game! Sort of thought the same as Osprey, Scotland almost looked panicked that they might actually win the game and so played with this terrified "I don't want to be the one to make us lose" sort of feeling..

One thing which I'm sure might be brought up was that I personally felt that the yellow card was a little harsh... I'd like to see it again, but it looked to me like the English player had his left arm out in front with almost a view to tackling the ball.... I could be wrong, but it almost seemed like his initial plan was to brace as he went for the ball and his shoulder connected before anything else... But like I said, could be wrong, need to see the footage once more...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Misfiring France labour to crucial victory over Italy in Marseille

Couldn't have been...I didn't see 60 players have a punch up in a 30 player game...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Martin Johnson escapes with warning after nasty throat stamp in 1999

I've seen a lot of Johnson's *ahem* finer moments, somehow I missed this one. Thanks for sharing...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago