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HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Ok, apologies, but as Pete has said he's not suggesting it be employed as a tactic, but more highlighted as a flaw. Forget gain lines etc, there has to be something wrong where the referee has to intervene in this manner. If this were entirely up to me, I'd say the hit on Sinckler was fine, I'd have no issues with it. We have already climbed onto the wagon of "players must expect opponents to jump for a kicked ball, so they should be prepared even if it is a last second jump" - an ideal that I despise.. so that means, any kicked ball, players should expect others to jump - even in my hatred for that thought, I can see how one can draw lines to connect it all up, but surely you cannot suggest that now we need to say "any kicked balls, and any wayward passes will result in players jumping, so you should all expect them to jump at every kick and every pass"...it's illogical.

We have the following number of options:

Ban all jumping for kicks and passes.
Ban jumping for passes only.
Or ignore it all...

Sinckler could have put his hands above his head to try and catch the ball, or he could have left it... the laws protecting him from being touched due to the sloppiness of his own team are wrong imo.

1 Month, 1 Week ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

ok, but over analysis and knowing everything is pretty acceptable... but I really truly hope you weren't being serious by suggesting that it could have been a yellow because he nearly landed on his head/neck... I mean that is a stretch surely...

Have chop tackles actually been taken out of the game though :/

1 Month, 1 Week ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Vlad and im1, stop being a dick... Pete is making a perfectly valid point about the flaws in the law... we have seen the reality of the flaws many times over on this site, last second jumps for high balls is nothing new whether they come from a pass or a kick is about the only difference. The main issue is that there are laws to stop players deliberately jumping into a tackle or over a tackler - but there have been occasions where they aren't applied, however there are no laws to allow players a bit of breathing room, for instance as Pete has suggested if I run in to receive a pass and the last second it's a high pass and I jump, then I am untouchable... and anyone that tackles me, could risk a red depending on how I land...

It's not a hard concept to understand, perhaps it doesn't apply so much to Sinkler, given the tackler was already well committed and perhaps that is his downfall, but in situations similar, we're basically suggesting players reactions to a jump have to be faster or as fast than a players reaction to jump and catch the ball in the first instance...and that is impossible at close proximity...

1 Month, 1 Week ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

I'm not suggesting otherwise, but what I'm doing is disputing your take on "forcefully cuddling someone to the floor" in union...

Shoulder is generally the first point of contact, arms as before are an afterthought..you can put a hell of a lot of impact into a hit without having to point your shoulder into someone...I've never had to leave the pitch because of one - that I can remember..but I've felt pretty ropey on occasions... but I have hit one or two that have had to leave.... but what I'm suggesting is that maybe it's more challenging for smaller players to hit hard in union...

...but that point I'll even somewhat dispute due to the little shite 9 who stuck his shoulder into my thigh in a ruck and gave me a dead leg for a week!

1 Month, 1 Week ago

The most controversial moments from All Blacks vs Lions 2nd Test

"interesting that in the game, nothing was made of sincklers landing"

....no it's not...it's decidedly uninteresting....

Dear Lord what is going in this world... I mean I made a comment about how it's good to analyse the game as rugby fans all over will tend to do, but talk about over analysing... "very close to landing on his neck and head"....really....I mean REALLY.... yeh sure, his back is connected to his neck, neck connected to head and all that...so they're in the same region as each other, but for crying out loud that is about as soft as it comes if you start calling that a yellow.

1 Month, 1 Week ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

I sort of disagree...but then I'm not a 10st10.... I often tend to hit with the shoulder, the arms are just like a guiding cradle at best, at worst they're an after thought that flies round after the shoulder has made the initial impact.. the difference being I don't tuck my arm in to make a hit with the point of my shoulder, which can make for poor technique as you reduce your catchment area...

1 Month, 1 Week ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

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1 Month, 1 Week ago

Sonny Bill Williams says he 'let his brothers down' after red card and ban

As above, read somewhere that SBW was red carded for this IN league (whether true or not)...

I think I've also seen a video on YouTube of a shoulder to the head = red in league... But not 100%

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Well, I think we somewhat agree all round, however that example I posted, the ball bounces.. and it is not too high to catch, the reason Cueto jumps is because he does not want to expose himself to Tuilagi coming in hard. I'm not suggesting that is a bad thing, I can understand it, and Tuilagi was in the wrong, however it's another example of a last minute "ok I'll jump to save myself" and the other player who was ready to make a 100% legal hit, ends up in big big trouble.... there are plenty more examples out there of similar nature.. I just can't be arsed to search for them.

Take care

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

HIGHLIGHTS: British & Irish Lions beat All Blacks to keep series alive

Yeh, but on the flipside doc, they only won by 3 points because they couldn't keep their bloody hands to themselves and keep their discipline.

You say AB's wasted 3 point opportunities...well those 3 point opportunities weren't down to poor drop goals, they were gifts from the ill disciplined Lions to the AB's.... one mans rubbish is anothers treasure...an all that....

I agree with you re the jump to catch a pass thing...but then I feel like rucking people on the ground should still be allowed, but it ain't....so clearly my opinions about what the laws should be and what they actually are, are two different things... so both you and I have to just accept it this time round.

Back onto the Vunipola thing again.... I already said, if it was a yellow, I'd say Vunipola was lucky to JUST get a yellow, if it was a red, I'd say he was unlucky to get a red... so imo, it's somewhere half and half.... however, as mentioned already, my opinion doesn't always = the actual laws...... But clearly the citing mob hasn't had an issue with it... so, should we chalk this down to: 1. You are right and referee was wrong, assistant referees were wrong, TMO was wrong, citing mob were wrong..... or...2. They're all right, and you're wrong... or 3. no one can really decide whether it was a soft yellow or a hard red.... so they sort of went in the middle and stuck with the yellow.... I genuinely don't know what to say, I don't think anyone could really complain if Vunipola got a red... but likewise, it was probably not as bad - outcome based, as SBW incident... which is probably why the referee didn't view it quite as harshly - rightly or wrongly.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago