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The Top 5 Moments from the 2001 Super Rugby Season

Certainly agree with your last sentence, I used to love demolishing anyone that did that in the past... now it's become a grey area.

As for the rest of your comments - sadly I think this is the way of life, you're looking back 20-30 years ago and saying "the game is not what it used to be".. I'm looking back 5-6 years ago and saying "the game is not what it used to be"... rucking laws specifically...

I think give it another 10 years and we'll both be sitting down wondering what the hell this game is we're seeing with you thinking it's far worse than I think it, but we'll both agree it's equally as odd...

Only to be told by some pimple covered 18 year old twit that it's progress... Actually, saying that, it'll be a full blown game of Sarcastaball by then...

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/k9a8o3/how-about-we-call-it-sarcastaball

2 Weeks, 20 Hours ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

28inch waist??? Are you kidding me?

Finding trousers for that man must be a bloody nightmare, I'm fairly meaty, not particularly chubby and I have a 36" waist! My legs are by no means Lomu-esque and I find some trousers are a bit 'gripping' around the thighs, so to get a fairly titchy waist with gargantuan sized legs must have been an expensive custom job...

..then again, "My trousers are good enough for Jonah Lomu" is one hell of an advertisement, so he probably got a fair few freebies..

2 Weeks, 20 Hours ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

Apologies for the misunderstanding, you wrote:
"I think trying to compare players similar in size to Lomu is a waste of time. It's like comparing cars, it's what under the hood that counts."

and I assumed it was in a sort of reply to me and a couple others above who mentioned Savea, Cuthbert, North, Banahan etc.. hence why I commented with a less than clear reply. What I was getting at is that the only way to truly understand how phenomenal Lomu was, is to look at the players of today of similar size (rather than just brilliant wingers in general as the majority are much much smaller - Williams etc..) and how they use that size and frankly I don't see anywhere near the power.

Of course as you mentioned, Lomu was ahead of the time by miles, he was a professional player of beyond todays size/skill/power, playing in the early days of professional rugby which was still predominantly 'average' sized blokes.

2 Weeks, 20 Hours ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

I see where you're coming from, but there is no point comparing 'great' Lomu with 'great' Shane Williams/Jason Robinson, or any other winger that is well under 6ft...

So today's wingers that are plus sizes are those listed above (probably missed a lot).. so I was trying to state that although there are plenty great wingers today, there are only a handful that could be in any way comparable based on size and weight...and even they're 'not comparable' with the likes of Lomu.

Just thought of another much closer comparison and that would be Alesana Tuilagi..

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

True that Bananaman started life in the second rows, but as is a bit of a common topic at the moment, English - UK - GB - NH? schooling tends to have a bit of a stereotypical thing going on - fat kid = prop, not quite as fat = hooker, bean poles = second rows, quick but not as quick as backs = flanker, biggest and strongest guy = 8 and so on..and those players do THOSE jobs..

Maybe if Banahan had been born in NZ (for instance) where rugby seems to be very focussed on a skill set level (I'm sure they also fit players to positions in school but obviously someone noticed with Lomu that he had the build of an 8 but the skills of a back) then he may have had more potential to develop his skills.

As far as I know, Banahan was still playing second row when he played for Jersey 1st XV, just attacked wiki and learned he was brought into Bath as a lock, so he has most probably been playing the "You're a second row, you hit the rucks, focus on the lineouts, try not to get the ball too often and stay out the way" rugby for many many years, whereas as I said, had someone recognised his skill set and ability from an early age; like with Lomu, you never know what he could have achieved at this stage in his career.

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

..and according to google, Savea is shorter and lighter.

Not that I think they're comparable to even Savea or Lomu, but I just checked George North and Alex Cuthbert stats, and both of them are still lighter than Lomu, in fact the only player that I could think of searching that I thought might come close was Matt Banahan:

2.01m and 118kg - even he just matches Lomu weight and is taller - so kg per cm is less...

..and Banahan never really had the impact that Lomu had - whether that is as a result of everyone else on the pitch being bigger and stronger, not having a team that knows how to use a big guy on the wing, or he is just not as good - maybe a product of "English" (Jersey I know) rugby schooling... Maybe had he been in the SH he'd have shone..

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

The Top 5 Moments from the 2001 Super Rugby Season

"Wing (not that he's small but certainly ticks the 90% skill, 10% gym box) - Caucau"

HAHAHAHA, 90% skill 30% KFC and 5% gym...

Excuse the 'Anchorman' maths there, but the point still stands..

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

Wait, I'm confused, where were the swan dives? and why didn't Lomu swan dive on his try?

This is all too much to understand...

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

The Top 5 Moments from the 2001 Super Rugby Season

I actually hadn't considered how young the professional game is. Unfortunately for Larry, neither yourself nor have ever played rugby in the 70's or 80's.. So sadly Larry, it's a bit like saying to yourself "School in the 90's was better than ever before", which I'd assume you'd question with a raised eyebrow, but not actually be able to dispute having never attended school in the 90's... So all I can do is base my replies on my opinion of the game that I have known over the years.

One pet peeve is our disagreement on lineouts, you have experience "adults" performing those "waiving hand lineouts" whereas I have experienced it at school level - I can personally say it's the most unskilled rag tag disorganised part of the game, at least compared to lifting which when done correctly requires good timing, technique and communication.

As for the rest of the game 10stone10 has nailed this point in the past and with the previous comment, to add to it though:

What is the recipe for a 11 year old wanting to become a pro rugby player?
a) Practice footskills, passing skills, kicking skills 90% of the time and gym 10%
or
b) Practice footskills, passing skills, kicking skills 10% of the time and gym 90%

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

The Top 5 Moments from the 2001 Super Rugby Season

Broken record here on my part - As a second row/back row blah de blah, I disagree with comments on lineouts etc...

Now that's over, I somewhat agree with rucking, but what the t-shirt; I believe, is referring too, is the use of boots within a ruck. I support that, rucks are too slow as a result of players having no fear of lying on the wrong side fiddling with opposition ball(s)...stick a boot on him and he's bound to move, put a boot on his hands whilst he's slowing the ball down and that minimal pressure makes them move..

Not 'over rucking' is smart play and in some ways the new laws they brought in whereby players have to use the ball within a certain matter of seconds is a positive step (albeit a retrospective "Oh s**t we've made a mistake here, lets try and double fix it.." step...) But in the past we've seen teams holding the ball at the back of the ruck waiting for time to die down and opposition pouring in to try and counter ruck and getting no where, and it was all a little too negative for my liking. Smart rugby through good technique can help reduce the need for vast numbers as now 1 player can bore through with a couple following and do as much damage as a herd of players..

You must also recognise how the design of players has altered... props, whilst still often some of the heaviest, are no longer reliant on having a beer gut to up their weight - ergo players are fitting faster and stronger, so they're making these covering tackles and spreading across the field much faster than the days gone by... Remember Keith Wood? Hardly a 'typical' hooker. Every year players are helping to mould what is a more useful shape...

I'll admit there were parts of 2003esque rugby that I prefer to modern day stuff, but bearing in mind I was still a school boy it is hard for me to know 100% on that type... as for the modern game? The lack of boots in rucks and the introduction of soccer characteristics is much more of a worry to me.

2 Weeks, 2 Days ago

 
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