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Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

A player must not tackle - ok no tackle here
nor tap - didn't see a tap
push or pull the foot or feet - implies arms, didn't see them being used in any way, not on the feet nor legs.

I've never seen anything in the laws regarding using your face to make initial contact with someones arse and what the punishment would be..

Or are they currently making an amendment to the laws:

10.4(ii) - Tackling the jumper in the air part 2.
A player must not occidentally run face first into the backside of another player who is jumping for the ball in a lineout or in open play. Sanction: Red card.

2 Weeks, 15 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

Anyone see Ashton take the guy out after his try when the player jumped over him, that was a red card if ever I've seen one, the guy jumped and Ashton who didn't have eyes on the guy got up and spun him out, surely that is a red card, you cannot take a player out in the air, the fact you don't see the player doesn't matter..

Well done for taking any competitiveness out of high balls... Good job world..

2 Weeks, 15 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

So your solution to an accident is to apply a knee jerk reaction... Probably why you're not a professional referee.

Oh and by the way, are you suggesting that Thom Evans who played for Scotland had his neck broken on purpose?

2 Weeks, 16 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

It is an absolute bullshit call and further punishment.

Matt summed it up brilliantly, 'Payne hit Goode as much as Goode hit Payne.'

Another comment, 'he didn't even jump for the ball' ? And? It is not a requirement to take a high ball by jumping, Payne no doubt wanted to take the ball going full tilt and run it in at the other end of the pitch, by jumping he would have lost speed and probably wouldn't have made it far enough, you gauge your speed to the ball and sometimes by taking the time to jump, you reduce your overall distance and may miss the ball...

Some have argued Payne looks down at the last moment, so that counts as 'not having eyes on the ball the whole time'.. Watch the slow motion, Payne's eyes follow exactly where the ball WOULD have been, had Goode not jumped and caught it, so my argument is that he was entirely focussed on catching the ball.

Others have typically found fault with this tactic 'yeh, but now you can just look away and take someone out and plead you didn't see them' ... the difference in this case is I know damn well I wouldn't use my FACE to knock someone else over.

People quoting 'you cannot tackle a player in the air', yes I totally agree, but which part of this was a tackle? When did you last tackle a player with your face?


2 Weeks, 16 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

ahem, laws...

2 Weeks, 16 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

Couldn't bloody well agree anymore matt, by this argument you could say Goode acted recklessly trying to arse Payne in the face which is surely an illegal move.

2 Weeks, 16 Hours ago

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Eddie, I totally understand your comment, what I am saying is that Warburton went into that situation attempting to tackle the French player, Payne on the other hand was attempting to catch a high ball... I understand that you are not trying to compare them on the actions alone but on their categories - reckless - but I for one will agree that Warburtons tackle was most likely reckless (and not deliberate) but there is no way I can class Goode's effort as reckless...

Look at the actual scenario, you are punishing someone for their commitment to catching a ball.. This is not a case of a reckless early tackle or someone jumping at the last second to catch the ball so you end up tackling them in the air, which could be deemed reckless.

Like I said if you want to start punishing people for legal play and take the competitiveness out of the game then that is all on you. I look forward to the next bunch of videos/penalties in the future where high crossfield kicks are now going to become key tactics to earn penalties and red cards.

If you think I haven't made a case that the referee was wrong by stating that Payne ran face first into another player whilst trying to catch the ball, then I'd imagine there is little point in continuing this discussion.

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

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@Facepalm, if I was in the referee's position I would hope that I'd get it up on the big screen have a look at it, see that it was clearly an accident and restart the game from where Goode fell.

I'm not going to write two full explanations as to why, but I'll write one lower down in reply to eddie et al.

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

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Definitely not, Ashton knew how much of a prat the referee was and he was terrified of being shown a red card for a blatant tackle on a player in the air, (which would be totally consistent with an earlier ruling!)

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

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Like I said below, I understand people can play the old "I was looking at the ball referee, honest.." card as they adjust their halo and angel wings, but you can't tell me that if you ever attempted to do that then you would run into the player face first.. he was more likely to do himself a world of injury before Goode..

2 Weeks, 1 Day ago

 
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