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Front row sparks mass brawl and three red cards in Brive vs Grenoble clash

From the second row point of view...

If you imagine a spot, the prop in question is a spot and the second row and other prop are 'fingers'... they can put in an incredible amount of force and 'pop' out comes a prop! :P

Second rows are taught to get lower as the props get lower and the whole pack gets lower... so as to get lower than the other pack and as you drive you're driving forwards as well as at an upwards angle, trying to force their front row up and out of the contest... basically boils down to shit technique by Jourdain...

2 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Friday Funnies - Vaea Fifita avoids the tackle with perfectly executed jump

You cous cous eater...

Agree with you totally, also, what does this mean for tackling really? Go high, hit chest height... if the player jumps into you and you get a gut, or baubles full off studs well then...tough...

Rugby is getting a bit ridiculous...

2 Weeks, 6 Days ago

Friday Funnies - Vaea Fifita avoids the tackle with perfectly executed jump

So Tuilagi runs into a guy and gets banned.... This guy jumps over someone who was going low and gets away with it....

Pathetic really. Yeh, it's athletic and interesting to see, but it's bloody dangerous and not something that should be repeated!

3 Weeks, 10 Hours ago

Referee lauded for letting mouthy scrumhalf know that it's time to show respect

Hahaha, love it!

3 Weeks, 2 Days ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

As Oliver said 'recent'. However on those points: "McCaw didn't want to say much about it to detract from the game"...

If someone attempted to gouge him purposely, then he should have said something about it, people in amateur rugby have been blinded by gouging and it's disgusting!

I think a lot of kiwis are missing the point. In some respects there is an air of "AB's get away with murder".. you're correct in your assessment of the 2011 playing to the whistle, but again, your dark shades have tarnished your view of the whole thing - people are less talking about "those naughty AB's" because everyone who has ever played the game have tried to get away with anything they can (myself included), but talking MORE about the abysmal refereeing. Was the referee just plain crap? Or was he in fear of being the referee that penalised the AB's to a loss in their home RWC?

Then this incident with Franks... turn it on it's head, if this was a game between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan and that happened, do you not think that maybe a small sanction should have probably been in order? Or perhaps if Franks was playing for Australia and this was done to an AB?

It's again nothing to do with the AB's, it's again focusing on how the laws are applied TO the AB's, which on many occasions, do not appear to be all that strict....

To reiterate, this is not the AB's fault, people don't like their players banned, however, common sense SHOULD prevail within the officials and you'd have thought that the pundits should have had a bit more integrity and gumption to stay silent or to say something along the lines of "yeh, hands flail about and he caught his eye, it probably looks worse than it was, but he was lucky to get off with no ban" rather than the drivel of "get over it"...

I know if this was done to an AB, the pundits would sing a different tune...

3 Weeks, 3 Days ago

Prop Alec Hepburn flies into hooker Tommy Taylor to make huge tackle

Ah yeh, totally agree, the rest of the world is pointless... only country that matters in the US right?

3 Weeks, 3 Days ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

2011*

Ok, deserve is a strong word. France had an abysmal rwc yet made it to the final, some might say that despite their shoddy performance the fact they had the ability and heart to make it to the final meant they "DESERVE" the win..

NZ had a great competition until the final, some might say they "DESERVE" the win...

I'm talking more about the inconsistencies with refereeing and how I believe given a referee who penalised both sides for the same things, France would have won that match. I don't think NZ were gifted any penalties, I just think they managed to avoid giving away a lot of blatant penalties...

Also, one thing I feel I have picked up on watching NZ games, is the lack of early cards. Either the players know the laws very well and feel that a different penalty in the red zone each time isn't something that can be yellow carded... for instance "holding on" ref warns them, next time they don't release the ball carrier so ref warns them, next time there are hands in the ruck ref warns them... etc.. it seems that other teams would be carded before that point...

3 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

See this is where I agree with you Pete. I find the tales of conspiracy amusing, however you see deeper thoughts rearing their heads in other forms.

You see it in many walks of life where your immediate thoughts are good natured, however there is a deeper rooted thought which is unknown to yourself. What I'm suggesting is you see the French players being punished to great lengths for foul play, perhaps this is a deeper rooted stem of seeing some particularly dark stuff coming out of French D2 back in the day, so players are banned more harshly. Pacific islanders are another bunch who have had their troubles with discipline, therefore their punishments seem to be greater than others in like for like situations.

So what I'd suggest is that the AB's have got off lightly on a few occasions (as have some other 'top' teams), this unfortunate incident will just go down as another one to harp on about.

The other side of things is the AB's are outstanding, and I hate to bring up the past, but they did not deserve their RWC victory back in 2011. They DID however deserve it in 2015!! But that final was abysmally refereed and France were dealt a very harsh deal. So again, people refer to things like that as their datums, so as mentioned, next victory, failure or whatever, will be reflected on the past 'escapes'...

It's the same with all teams and players... reputations stick unfortunately...

3 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Veji, it's already passed, there has been no ban and this will go down in history as another awful call - like many from many different nations..

I've said somewhere that even a 1 week ban, or a warning would have shown recognition of a bad incident however unintentional. But 0 recognition and extremely defensive comments from pundits and coaches is damaging to the game and sets precedents on how laws should and will be applied.

3 Weeks, 4 Days ago

Further discussion and angles on Owen Franks' finger in eye of Wallaby

Pete, perhaps you've read something I haven't, so if you can inform me of something I missed I'd be happy to look at this incident with a fresher view, but you mention:

"Just don't think it's right to use that incident against the current group of men when no one is even left from that era. You can't tarnish every AB team moving for 'that tackle'."

From where I am standing - or sitting, it was Kirwan who brought that up, was it not? Seems to me that BOD just merely commented that it was a farce that there has been no punishment...

If Kiwis wish to ask "when have AB's ever got away with outrageous stuff?" then of course, people will highlight THAT incident, then the Hore ridiculous punch, then of course this incident, but you asked the question, don't get upset with the answer. But the reality is, 99% of the people stayed on topic regarding THIS incident alone, it was Kirwan that stirred up a shit storm by very cleverly swinging the argument to be about a different topic altogether.. "THAT BOD TACKLE"..... lets face it, the world accepts that Umaga et al cannot and will not be punished for it, it's a travesty that they weren't, but no one expects retribution on AB 2016 for it... however, consistency in Rugby 2016 -> onwards would be nice.... this should have been banned and I think BOD was highlighting a big incident in a world class rugby game.... I personally don't see why his integrity should be questioned for his highlighting...

3 Weeks, 4 Days ago