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Controversies galore as Munster knock out Toulon with brilliant late try

I guess I was wrong then.... Controversy everywhere... *Rolls eyes*

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Controversies galore as Munster knock out Toulon with brilliant late try

Here I go again...Sorry RD

The other aspect is the language around these days. Decisions here have been described as "controversial".

Simon Zebo incident - for me it's 50/50. Zebo was probably never going to be able to get a clean take on that, but he had to try, the hand wasn't trying to bash the ball into touch, but the result was just that... Really, for me it has to come down to the referee has the final word.

Bastareud run, Ashton try - personally don't see much wrong there - again, perhaps 50/50 on the pass, but it was either flat, very slightly back, or very slightly forward... Again, referees call.

Murray try - zero controversy.. everyone looked confused, but it seems only one man had studied that law the night before and that's Murray... Ball knocked on,.he picks it up, try scored.. no.issues there.

Didn't watch the whole match, but it seems to me based on those incidents, the match was called very well..

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Controversies galore as Munster knock out Toulon with brilliant late try

Couldn't agree more.. but, this is no longer a game, this is a business, people must be held accountable for failures. We have hundreds of cameras dotted about to overule decisions left right and centre. Rather than the day and age of "get on with it" we're now heading into the realms of having a pause in the game whilst we head off to a conference to view all angles, get the forensics teams in to check for any marks indicated area the ball may have been etc.

Someone used the word "intervention" in a video on the Wade incident - it's a fantastic word for what we see, rather than the game becoming more.fluid, we have more.reasons for stoppages, more reasons for penalties, cards, bans. The referees word is no longer final - some people love it, I hate it.. in the 6 nations we world rugby come out and say a decision a referee made was wrong.. the problem with all of that is that with the umpteen cameras dotted about, people can now make their own calls on the referees performances, they'll complain furiously and all of a sudden someone official had to answer these complaints... It's sad.

1 Month, 2 Weeks ago

Malouf high shot on Wade met 'red card threshold' according to panel

It's not ridiculous at all, but saying that was the reason they lost doesn't say much for Wasps...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Little Christian Wade's big carry knocks Jonny May out cold

Angle from the right hand side of Wade would probably clear up everything, but looks more like May got KO'd on Wade's shoulder...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Ugly scenes amidst referee shocker as Spain fail to qualify for the World Cup

Referees often have a natural bias against teams that are noisy towards them, players protesting etc. Look at Italy and Parisse, the more flustered and frustrated he gets, the more decisions go against him.

I'm not going to review your comprehensive analysis and critique is because I can't be bothered, but maybe my point is valid?

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Malouf high shot on Wade met 'red card threshold' according to panel

HH, I don't disagree with your point regarding high hits, but the problem I have is that we've always had "high tackles"... It's not a new thing, the understanding around it is now new.

In the past if you hit the head straight on, it's a high tackle, if you hit and then rode up it wasn't a high tackle.

They realised this was not good enough, so they move the margins, now if you ride up it's still a high tackle. Again, I'm not really phased by this, but now they've backed themselves into corners... "Seat belt tackles" something which rarely applies any force to the head is now "dangerous" just because "law says head = red" (or yellow or penalty etc). We now see players diving for the try line in an "untackleable" position... So do we need to change the way tries are scored now as a result? Perhaps not, but it does beg the question of how to police that part into safety?

Wade clocked May on the chin, whilst I think that was.bad technique by May, do we have a case to look at for how players defend themselves? Is the forearm too dangerous? I just feel that as Ben Wright has written, this comes from intervention, the more that is policed, the more that is expected to be policed. If you get rid of the most dangerous aspect of the game, the next dangerous thing becomes the most dangerous, so on so forth.

All in all, though, I agree about care for players heads, I just don't see a realistic future in going down that route. Look at boxing etc, certain aspects are kind of core.to the sport, punching someone's face is part of it. Are we going to soon look at removing rugby's version? (Whatever that is?)

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Taniela Tupou escapes red card for brutal no arms tackle

Hahaha, you may be 100% right 45678, I really would love another chance to review it.

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Malouf high shot on Wade met 'red card threshold' according to panel

I agree this was a bad call.... but "it probably cost Wasps the match"... as in Wasps couldn't win against 15? I'd suggest going in to a game with a game plan of "we'll win when they get reduced to 14" isn't a great plan...

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago

Malouf high shot on Wade met 'red card threshold' according to panel

I agree with you Ben to some degree, I've got two personalities now as a result, one that looks at the laws today and plays devils advocate and bitches about refereeing, and one that dreams of the "old game" (about 8 years ago ish)....

This decision in todays game is abysmal, looks like bicep hits shoulder and shoulder hits head... it's a red, easy decision in my book..

In the game which I find is slipping away more and more, this was probably a yellow at worst, penalty at least probably..

I disagree with your last point regarding the game being important. Well, sort of... it is important but I have zero issues with a referee dishing a red card for the very first tackle of any cup final match, let alone a league match, as long as the crime warrants the punishment.

But all in all, you're right regarding intervention, we're forcing ourselves into a smaller and smaller corner by trying to make an inherently dangerous game, "safe"...

We have HIA assessments, which I have zero issue with, but rather than HIA's being done and the player being put to rest for a few weeks, there is this large drive to avoid head injuries full stop - why not improve the aftercare for head injuries - longer lay offs, stringent testing etc. So many head injuries in games these days tend to be from players falling on knees, or tackling badly, or heads hitting heads... all stuff that cannot possibly be policed out of the game - but they try!

1 Month, 3 Weeks ago