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So that's how it feels to kiss your sister - Kiwi Tony gutted with how it ended

I don't disagree with you re the Lions wanting to win. I just don't feel that in the NH that winning is classed as everything as much as it is in the SH at least....

Seems to me the kiwis sort of adopt a Ricky Bobby if you ain't first you're last sort of view, whereas many national teams in the North will sort of say, "well, we didn't come first, but we did jolly well to come from where we were 2 years ago at dead last to now 4th" (or something like that. Which in ways it means that they're being positive about the journey they're making to get to the peak, whereas the kiwis, perhaps if you're not first, then you've not done well enough etc...

So again, a bit like Tony said, it was probably a Lions draw...

But you're right, they were up against the ropes from all angles before they even got on the plane...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

I did notice someone mention that as the Lions beat the Maori All Blacks, then it's technically 2 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw to the AB's 2 losses, 1 win, 1 draw...

...I'll just leave that on the table...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

So that's how it feels to kiss your sister - Kiwi Tony gutted with how it ended

Kieran Read is such a likeable bloke.

Also, wtf was going on in that changing room? A buffet!!! Best we get is all you can view props arse as we wobbles round the bloody room...scratch that, "brushes past you" might be a better way of putting it, as we're cramped into a broom cupboard at an unknown location on a cold windy Saturday!

Again, the Lions test will go down as a draw, but it's sort of like a win or a draw for the Lions is a bit of a win....anything but a win for the kiwis is a loss.... that is more due to team set up (the Lions being a speciality team an all) however there is something that does deeply highlight the difference between NH vs SH rugby or at least Rugby vs AB rugby, that is the importance of a win.

The AB's are humble in victory, draws and defeat, however they are deeply wounded with anything that isn't a win, Kieran Read had a sort of 0% view. By contrast, Sam Warburton seemed to sort of carrying around a 60% sort of view, like a "well, we nearly did it, but at least we got a draw"... again, perhaps I already covered that with my talk of speciality team above, but I feel it sort of transpires into each nations team also. "well we'll look forward to next week" "well we almost had them" "next time"... AB's probably say the same thing, but the meaning underneath seems stronger and more painful.

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Chance Peni-Ataera suspended for 3 weeks for shoulder shot

Exactly, being a forward I've found myself being caught out on a two on one, had no chance so lined the carrier up and did my best to ruin his day legally.....Ended up getting a knee or leg or something in the spuds for my trouble, but it felt brilliant to put in a hard legal hit as I saw the benefits of the guy passing much earlier later in the game.... I don't remember the outcome of the two on one, they probably scored and I probably got schooled on a number of further events in the game haha.

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

Well....I guess he did decide the outcome...He decided that it was down to either team to run the points in through the scrum...Not kick them...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Chance Peni-Ataera suspended for 3 weeks for shoulder shot

Not far behind PDG in his opinions.. I don't really know what the referee saw here, looked to me like elbow hit Cummins chest and shoulder hit head... not really much else to debate there... it wasn't an "I stood my ground and just checked the guy" type of move, it was a simple case of smashing the guy because you knew he got the pass away... it was stupid, he could have lined up the guy and smashed him legally so that next time he passes the ball sooner. I'd be happy with a red card here, certainly wasn't far off SBW's effort...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

I'd say that is a fair reflection. I'd never view it as 'excuses' because it is true. Where would you rate this AB team compared to the McCaw, Carter, Umaga era? I thought Jordie played incredibly well, look like part of the team from the offset... No "trying to make an impression" or looking a bit daunted, he looked like a tried and tested AB player... Definitely can see his inclusion going forward!

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

As much as I understand the current ruling of the laws recently has been along the lines that you describe and perhaps on any other day, Read (or a player not in black - ahem) would have found themselves on the sticky end of a referee, I still don't like it, I don't think it's a fair reflection of how the game should be played (it isn't tiddlywinks, or ballet or whatever) and I am glad out of all the possibilities Poite could have chosen, he decided to put his choice into a decision which meant there was fair competition for the outcome of the game: kiwis could have dominated that scrum, crossfield kick to some large maori to power through, or a set up of tight play leading to a break etc... rather than a simple kick or even a penalty and card to Read...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

I don't know, I think if anything the AB's lack of shine was probably more due to the Lions defence...

I mean, take for instance the second test, AB's very nearly won that, it was only down to perhaps BB's lack of kicking prowess, probably a handling errors that really sunk them in that game. I certainly won't sit here and say it was because of SBW's red card that they lost the game, I think despite his red card they very nearly won the game - or the Lions very nearly lost the game with their horrendous discipline. Of course you can't resurrect the players of old, however, I think had old DC been the goal kicker, things would have turned out very differently....

Test 3 was very interesting. BB for me is highlighted as a brilliant 10 that just needs more kicking practice, the connection between the stuff he produces with the canes and the stuff he pulled out on the field with the AB's was clear as day. Lions rush defence was fantastic, but the AB's highlighted that quite early on with their cross field kick and try, they tried it again and caught OF in no mans land, but Lions cleverly adapted.

You're probably right that future fixtures will be tempted to produce an upset, but I think much like the baabaas, the Lions thrived off their experience...young players really did their best throw their youth and energy about and the old heads really did well to calm and direct players about. I'm not sure many future international sides will be able to call on that sort of experience and youth in the same way. Perhaps the Lions had the combination just right...

I suppose it could go one way or the other, kiwis might be reeling and looking to damage anyone that comes close, but at the same time it might have knocked them for 6...

One thing to add, they're still dangerous, that final kick off was testament to that, they normally take all their opportunities, this time I think they just let a few go...I'm sure they'll regroup and head forward though...

3 Months, 1 Week ago

Series drawn as All Blacks and British & Irish Lions decider ends in stalemate

The Laws Poite had to choose from...

11.7 Offside after a knock-on:
When a player knocks-on and an offside team mate next plays the ball, the offside player is liable to sanction if playing the ball prevented an opponent from gaining an advantage

11.6 Accidental offside:
(a) When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by a ball or by a team mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player's team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player's team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.

With those in mind, and given the choice Poite made (11.6a) I can understand Hansens call for clarification in some capacity. In my mind the Lions player did 'catch' the ball... therefore, very easy to call it as 11.7....what I believe Poite has given this as is an unintentional catch...so an instinctive catch...."when a player cannot avoid being touched by a ball"....

The issue here is that every single game of rugby seems to highlight a grey area in the laws... Lions player caught the ball, then dropped it on purpose (imo, in more or less the same direction the ball was heading in anyway)...what we're doing is either penalising instinctive moves, or not penalising them..

It's a tough call and I can see Hansens point, the only issue would be if say it bounced of Lions 15 and then bounced off Lions 16's chest or something, would we still realistically want to see penalties for that in any minute of the game?

So I think tough call, Poite probably took into consideration Reads contact in the air etc and the fact that the AB's probably wouldn't have recovered that ball anyway and the apparent accidental side of things and made a call... as stated by many on the AB's side, it wasn't the reason they didn't win.

This draw will have happier memories for the Lions than the AB's but I hope the scenes at the end are the real ones that stick. 'Brothers in arms' an all that. Great to have them mixed up!

3 Months, 1 Week ago