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Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

I can find a loophole though.. these days with kickers that can nail place kicks and/or drop kicks from the halfway line and further, seems like every yard really counts now...

But I agree with your point...

2 Months, 1 Day ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

I think this is the part where it's difficult to continue the Banahan Lomu comparison. My position regarding Banahan growing up in the SH would only ever have as much weight as the laptop it's being typed on as he did not and unfortunately for him he was nabbed by the 'backs' and didn't develop into what could potentially be a Lawes or a big back row.

Do agree with 10stone10... Countries will probably start a breeding scheme in order to yield the best 'crop' - Who knows what sort of 'supplements' might be added into their diets etc etc...

...well either that or the 2034 8 Nations and RWC (not sure on the year..) will be played over computer games because everyone will find it just too brutal to play for real...

2 Months, 1 Day ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

10stone10, you've hit the nail on the head with regards to my point, Banahan was trained to be a forward, Lomu was trained to play rugby in an extremely adaptive way. I don't recall how aggressive Lomu was, but I dare say he could have easily been thrown in to any pack as an 8. If he lasted as long as the likes of BOD, you could see him moving into the centres if his pace dropped AND at an international level!!!

Banahan on the other hand is sort of one of those players (I've been here) that appears to be traditionally a forward but due to number shortage and being 'a bit quicker than the others' gets chucked into the backs. I have to give Banahan and myself a little more credit here though - I've got quite good footwork and Banahan isn't quite as 'basic' as the above.

The reason for comparison is more of a height and weight similarity and the fact they're both on the wing more than any other reason. Although I quite like the fact Banahan has come from the forwards as it adds another angle to the discussion..

... Just so we're clear though, Lomu is an All Star XV player and Banahan isn't. Any comparison I've made between them is much like yourself and I discussing how we both fit into the 10 position - (You'd find a heck of a lot more reasons why you do than why I do!).. Comparisons =/= similarities...

2 Months, 2 Days ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

Sorry Stroudos, I was a bit presumptuous with my comment: "you're saying Banahan was born a 2nd row and Lomu was born a wing..."

Apologies if that is not quite what you're saying, but it appears your stance at the moment is that Banahan as is a true 2nd row..

2 Months, 2 Days ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

I think there is a chicken and egg thing going on here Stroudos. I agree that Banahan doesn't seem to possess the natural back skill that Lomu has and perhaps never would have done. What I am suggesting though; much like 10stone10 often does, is that given the right environment and coaching style Banahan; and any other potential candidate, may very well have developed better a better skillset.

At a basic level Lomu and Banahan both possess two things that cannot be taught*:
1. Height and Weight
2. Speed

*these can of course be developed through education (not quite height...)

Then comes a rugby brain and then comes the difference between the two that is clearly evident.

Chicken and egg thing, you're saying Banahan was born a 2nd row and Lomu was born a wing. I'm saying that theoretically they were both born rugby players and coaching styles moulded them to what they are today.

For the record I'm not saying Lomu and Banahan are the same or ever would/could be. What I am trying (perhaps unsuccessfully) to say is that, if you stick solely on the so often used in UK style of training - forwards are forwards, backs are backs, then a rugby ball thrown around amongst friends is far more 'back orientated' (where can the second row put his 'only a forward' skills to use in a friendly egg throw about?). If however, Lomu grew up in an environment which apparently applies a more rounded training scheme, where a forward has as silky hands as the most gentlest refined backs, then an egg throw about would surely yield far more rounded players - hence my argument that Banahan was perhaps forced into a position more than he needed to be.

I do agree with what you said about the likes of Lawes etc, Banahan is sort of in Limbo..

2 Months, 2 Days ago

The Top 5 Nick 'Honey Badger' Cummins Moments

I suppose if you speculate and say that the Force has more internationally capped players, even IF they both clubs had the same amount of money, the Force would have to spread it out more evenly amongst it's player base, whereas if the Sparks only have Cummins and a couple other 'greats' they might be able to spread their cash a bit less evenly..

I heard somewhere regarding soccer that some players in the past had approached their manger/coach? asking him to help them dodge international duties because they did not want to - I don't know whether this was a monetary thing, a spotlight thing or what, but I think International duties for some people has less meaning than it does for others.

2 Months, 4 Days ago

The Top 5 Nick 'Honey Badger' Cummins Moments

Best of luck to Cummins. I sincerely hope he gets all the dosh he needs.

As someone with a dad who is/was suffering from prostate cancer - latest tests show no sign of cancer. I know what it is like for a son to go through this stuff and my thoughts are with his dad who no doubt is in a stressful position (to say the least).

Wishing you and your family all the best.

2 Months, 5 Days ago

The Top 5 Nick 'Honey Badger' Cummins Moments

Hopefully we can get some footage of him confusing the hell out the Jap interviewers...

2 Months, 5 Days ago

The Top 5 Moments from the 2001 Super Rugby Season

Certainly agree with your last sentence, I used to love demolishing anyone that did that in the past... now it's become a grey area.

As for the rest of your comments - sadly I think this is the way of life, you're looking back 20-30 years ago and saying "the game is not what it used to be".. I'm looking back 5-6 years ago and saying "the game is not what it used to be"... rucking laws specifically...

I think give it another 10 years and we'll both be sitting down wondering what the hell this game is we're seeing with you thinking it's far worse than I think it, but we'll both agree it's equally as odd...

Only to be told by some pimple covered 18 year old twit that it's progress... Actually, saying that, it'll be a full blown game of Sarcastaball by then...

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/k9a8o3/how-about-we-call-it-sarcastaball

2 Months, 5 Days ago

Jonah Lomu wreaking havoc against Australia in 1995

28inch waist??? Are you kidding me?

Finding trousers for that man must be a bloody nightmare, I'm fairly meaty, not particularly chubby and I have a 36" waist! My legs are by no means Lomu-esque and I find some trousers are a bit 'gripping' around the thighs, so to get a fairly titchy waist with gargantuan sized legs must have been an expensive custom job...

..then again, "My trousers are good enough for Jonah Lomu" is one hell of an advertisement, so he probably got a fair few freebies..

2 Months, 5 Days ago

 
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