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Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

I think the banning bunch make rods for their own backs... either they keep these bans consistent or they don't bother at all...

A year or two back Andy Powell caught McCaw in the chops with a swinging arm, he escaped on field punishment, escaped a citing, and escaped a ban. Has that got anything to do with this? I doubt it, but now this is (what I consider) a lenient ban.

So how can they justify banning Thomson for 2 weeks? He was banned for 2, it was reduced to 1 for past good behaviour? Well.. why is his past good behaviour not worth as much as Hore's? Thomson had Strokosch on his side, it was not as dangerous, it did not result in a bad an injury, yet he gets 1 week reduction (which is then put back on again...)

There is ZERO consistency and frankly that lot make themselves look like a bunch of clowns, how can anyone take anything they say seriously...

To sum up:

AH damages BD and gets 8 weeks, but because he was good and showed remorse and has a good record it's reduced by 3 weeks.
AT nudges Strokosch and gets 2 weeks, Strokosch said there was nothing in it (which should in theory be worth a similar amount to a players remorse) because he has a good past record it gets reduced by 1 week... then it gets added back on again..

Laughable!

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

LMAO, Honestly 5 weeks is hilarious, what has made it more hilarious is some of the reasons/statements:

-"The Judicial Officer found that the player had not intended to make contact with the victim player's head."
HAHAHA

-He was actually given 8 weeks but had it reduced by 3 because: "acceptance of guilt, genuine remorse, exemplary disciplinary record and his conduct during the hearing".
Wait? Conduct during the hearing?!? HAHA, what so the guy wore a suit and said "yes sir, sorry sir" and that helps reduce his sentence? Acceptance of guilt? REALLY? How many camera's and sets of eyes saw what he did, not much denying it there... perhaps you could argue that it was actually the inside centre that did it, and the camera angles made the 1 invisible...

-He is going to miss 3 warm up matches for the Highlanders? HAHA, ok, warm up matches are important no doubt, but why them? Why not count the little inter-team matches that they might have on a training day...

Laughable I say!!! *Climbs off soapbox*

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Yes I have, have you? You are aware that obstructing a runner is "illegal" aren't you?.. This isn't American Football..

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

It doesn't work for me I'm afraid.

Provided the views are all perfectly clear, if a referee gives a player a yellow card then that player should NOT receive a ban, if the "crime" is bad enough to warrant a ban then it should warrant a red card:

Naughty = Penalty
Very Naughty = Yellow card
Bad = Red card
Very Bad = Red card and ban

For me, the only way a ban should be connected is through a red card, of course this is of course the perfect world where referee's see things perfectly (I understand that if a player doesn't quite see an incident then its different)

I get what you're saying but personally I believe that if a player receives a penalty for a "crime" then THAT itself is stating that the behaviour is not acceptable. A yellow states the behaviour is definitely not acceptable, so on through the various degrees of punishment. I agree what Thomson did was risky and of course it has the possibility to promote other players to attempt the same thing. Perhaps it was not as nasty due to the scrumcap, maybe it would look much more horrific if it was studs on skin/hair etc. However (I can't be 100% on this) I severely doubt that Thomson would have done it if there was no scrum cap, because there was no malice...

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Browner, I believe comprehension is something you're severely lacking, so I'll try and include video examples as a way to try and help you.

So far we have disagreed on I believe 2 specific topics:

Strokosch - nudge to the noggin
Etzebeth - Manhandling a scotsman

You have called both those specific topics "thuggery".

- Now had Thomson done this (a simple youtube search and I found this just now, no time needed, it's obvious): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnE6wj7w8ZY
Then I would completely and wholeheartedly agree with you that it is blatant thuggery.

- Now had Etzebeth done this (again a simple youtube search shows up this at 0:22): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QYJII6Fh9s
Then again I would completely agree that it is "thuggery".

But frankly Thomson's effort is comparable with the 1:01 mark on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJrZdhtJQ4
i.e. Against the laws, but hardly life threatening, it's not thuggery, due disciplinary processes will clear it up, but in theory the Thomson yellow card was all that is needed. In this case a red card (because of the letter of the law is right, and will teach Tom James to be a bit more careful)

This is not comparable with either Thomsons, or Etzebeths past indiscretions, not recent ones anyway, so no need to get your knickers in a twist, the rest of the world is not the same as you, most normal people don't deal with "all or nothing" when it comes to this stuff. There are degrees with this stuff, Thomson had no malice, Etzebeth had no malice, and this? Well according to your rules or opinion about me means that this must have no malice too? Or perhaps because I think this had malice that both Thomson and EE had malice too?

Get a grip you twit, if you honestly think there is anything remotely comparable then you don't deserve to be in any sort of coaching or referee position.

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Conor, either you fail to understand me or you are simply explaining your point because I agree with you, however last time I checked I was not Graham Henry, I was not Stuart Lancaster, I was not Warren Gatland, and indeed I am not Heyneke Meye, so to preach to me about not including players is fine but I'm the wrong person. I agree that coaches should sideline players like Hore, Burger, Botha, Cudmore, and every other "dirty player" but the reality is that they would be fielding a second string side. If it was a dictatorship where whatever a coach says goes then fine, but he wouldn't have much of a personal career after his contract runs out, but as it is, if he doesn't produce "the goods" or NZ drop from 1st to 3rd in a matter of months then massive questions are going to be asked as to why the coach does not field the Hore's, the Botha's, the Burger's etc when quite frankly they are some of the best players out there when their heads are on properly...

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

LMAO, well AB players have been known to lose certain aspects of their body from that area, so maybe he was just making sure he didn't join the likes of Buck Shelford...

I noticed the Haka had the throat slit gesture, I thought the AB's got in sh*t over that years ago, is it allowed again?

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Integrity is fine, I believe in it, and I do believe that teams should punish their own players PROPERLY but do you honestly think that unless teams are forced to by some governing body that all the fans are going to say, "yeh well done, you scrapped our best player because he did something nasty and now we lost" etc... I can see the bigger picture as do many of you, but guys with targets to meet and fans that want bragging rights are the ones that will carry the biggest clout and voice...

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Actually, I think we've all jumped the gun a bit here...

I think we should let Hore off with just a warning, he has ONE cracking moustache and perhaps he had a nasty itch and so he brought his arm up very quickly to wipe his nose and big lumbering BD got his head in the way....

Plus you can hardly condemn a man who is sporting such a fantastic mo...

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

I doubt anyone is trying to produce any mitigating circumstances, there is no excuse for this type of reaction, but HAD Hore just SHOVED Davies, we'd all say "yeh BD deserved it for his dubious running lines"...

It's not a case of BD deserved a forearm to the chops because he ran lazily, we are simply saying, thats obviously what sparked Hore to behave like such an out of control lunatic...

1 Year, 9 Months ago

 
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