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Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Chilldoubt, I don't know why you would snuff the "obstructive running"... yes it happens in every game, as does hands in the rucks and lying on the ball... they are all classed under "CHEATING"... No one is saying BD was a cheat and deserves it, they are simply saying "well if one had to give a reason for Hores, gross overreaction, then one would probably highlight the direction, or many directions that Bradley Davies was running in, thus preventing Hore from getting to the breakdown quickly"

It does not mean that we condone the actions of Hore, it just means that we can see where he gathered that frustration from..

It is, of course, inexcusable..

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

I'm not saying you would be wrong, but clearly with that attitude you would (could) turn your number 1 team into whipping boys...

And considering everything is about having the win next to your name, managers/coaches etc do not follow your sentiments...

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to state the sadness of the how important a win is REGARDLESS of anything...

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

The problem is though, is that if this had been McCaw doing it would you still not select him? You pick your best 15, and frankly Hore is a good player... So all you would do is penalise yourself. This borders into a video not long back where RD asked whether we think players should own up to things, yes in a dreamland of honour and gamesmanship that would be wonderful, but to own up would destroy the team and effectively cost money/rankings... So to not pick a player because of something he did which is bad would be shooting yourself in the foot, unless of course this was an every game type of behaviour in which case it is a risky player to have on your team...

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

I'm sorry to say that I disagree with people on Thomson's incident, there was never any danger of "opening a jugular vein" as someone has stated, it was not an uncontrolled stamp of great rage, if Thomson had stamped with the same fearsome attitude like that guy who kneed a player in the head a month or so back then we'd be looking at a nasty mess that was Strokosch head/face, but there was never any danger of nasty injury, much like the Etzebeth headbutt... yeh, sure, ban them both for daft behaviour but don't try and dream it up too much with the "what if's"... The two incidents were both in the control of the offending player, if EE wanted to smash Sharpes face then he could of done, but it was a provocative nudge. Same as Thomson on Strokosch, if he'd wanted to he could have destroyed Strokosch but he didn't, so less of the what if's... In my opinion Thomson and Hore's indiscretions are not comparable, I'd happily take one of Thomsons boots to the noggin every game for a year if it meant not having to face one of Hore's stiff arms!

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Andrew Hore cited for off the ball stiffarm on Bradley Davies

Well...The problem for me is this talk of bans.. yes players should get banned for this stuff, but a ban should be the END result, not the only result. I have to ask what the touch judges were looking at? This surely is going to be used in the case for bringing in the TMO for in play infringements...

Would the result be different? Hard to say, NZ could probably beat most teams with only 12 players on their team, but this was the very first minute of the game, and asking a reduced pack to scrum against a heavy bunch for 79 minutes would definitely take it's toll. Wales would opt for scrums in the hope of gaining further penalties, NZ bodies would get more and more tired trying to cover the loss. I assume they'd take off a back or a flanker and bring on a replacement front row, so you lose a key runner in the game regardless...then NZ would have to make a decision on whether to add a player to the scrum or keep a player out of the scrum, so I dare say it could have been Wales best chance to get a win over them.

I do severely doubt this was pre-planned. To suggest it was pre planned is basically saying NZ PLANNED to play an entire match with only 14 players, because there is no way this thing can guarantee no red card.... I think this was simply a frustrated pumped up player losing his head... (and trying to make BD lose his..)

I do however think BD should have been penalised for his obstructing running, I know that it is probably a hard one to police, but it was not like a lazy runner, he was properly getting in the way, but what AH did is not excusable...

Overall though, to me, the incident itself is not the focal point, to me it is the fact that any player could do this and not receive any punishment on the pitch, I am definitely an advocate for the TMO involvement where it counts, and this is clearly a "where it counts" incident...

Bradley Davies - BD... Brian O'Driscoll - BOD - BD for short? Maybe there is a conspiracy...

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Wales score bizarre try with thirteen man lineout against the All Blacks

Wales were always the losing team in this match imo, however things could have been very different if Andrew Hore had been sent off (which he should have been), so I think the Kiwi's should count themselves lucky...

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Wales score bizarre try with thirteen man lineout against the All Blacks

Lol, that was crying from a nasty big player to just SMASH the ball carrier in the exposed back, or at least anyone of those exposed ribs of one of the other guys.

We had an U20's or U21's International player who was our rugby coach at school and he used to say that: "Any time you see a maul and a player has some ribs exposed just smash them, it'll slow the maul down and make them less inclined to get involved!"

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Wales score bizarre try with thirteen man lineout against the All Blacks

Interesting point Katman, I read somewhere that the high end ban for this incident (striking) is something like 8 weeks. Any idea if that can be equated to 8 playing weeks, or whether they have to keep it as normal weeks?

Anyone know the answer to that?

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Wales score bizarre try with thirteen man lineout against the All Blacks

Bloody hell, I just saw the Hore-Davies incident, that was a bit of an over the top reaction no? A shove would be enough, but a stiff arm to the chops was MASSIVELY OTT, a true example of why the game needs that 4th official to step in, or at least be able to be asked!

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Wales score bizarre try with thirteen man lineout against the All Blacks

Well...I don't actually see anything wrong with this... people saying "if this is the only way to score against the AB's then blah blah"... well what if it was? What if every team that faces the AB's does this every line out, there is going to be some seriously difficult defending going on there...

I didn't see the game but did hear about some dubious NZ playing... I don't know if it was exaggerated, but I hear the Andrew Hore incident was a nasty one...

1 Year, 7 Months ago

 
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