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UCT Ikeys win 2014 Varsity Cup final with unbelievable comeback

Wow. The commentators were talking about the best comeback of 2014, but I'd say it shouldn't be limited to 2014 alone.

Did anyone else notice at 82.15 that a missile seems to have been thrown at the ball-carrier? Is that normal is SA university rugby?

5 Days, 1 Hour ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

You can say it could have paralysed him for life but the fact of the matter is that it was an accident, and accidents happen. High tackles can break people's necks but it doesn't mean they should all result in an automatic red card. Spear tackles should be red cards because you if you spear someone it's not by accident, but getting the same punishment for a clumsy clash due to a lack of spatial awareness?

People complain all the time about punishments in rugby being completely hypocritical and that's exactly the case here. There are links to other videos of people doing the same or worse and getting penalised and nothing more and nobody making any fuss about it.

And if that's the way you see it, why wasn't Mouritz Botha red-carded when he took out a player in the lineout? That player could have landed badly and been paralysed but Botha got penalised and nothing more. Does that not seem a bit hypocritical to you?

And saying that an accidental clash like this is more deserving of punishment than eye-gouging someone or stamping on someone's head is really just horrible. Do you really think that a yellow card in this case wouldn't be enough of a deterrent for players to avoid purposefully doing what Payne did? Do you think that in the absence of red cards they'd all start taking everyone out in the air knowing that they'll only get yellow?

Look at the other videos of players being taken out in the air and ask yourself if red cards in those situations would have been appropriate or wildly exaggerated punishments.

6 Days, 17 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

Saying it's the same thing is a bit disrespectful to the non-British part of the Lions, but in any case, apology accepted. Just don't let it happen again.

And I agree with you in saying that red cards shouldn't be avoided where necessary because of the time when they happen. If it's a red card in the 70th minute then it should be the same thing even in the 1st. The problem is that in spite of your claims that taking someone's legs out in the air is a red card offence, I can't actually find another example of where it resulted in a red card, and there are actually several videos on this thread which show similar offences that definitely did not result in red cards and for which the players involved weren't banned.

6 Days, 22 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

I think the O'Mahony video shows the hypocrisy of this whole situation and many of the comments here. Harley purposefully tackles O'Mahony in the air and it was just a penalty and everyone moved on. Then in Payne's case where he accidentally takes the player out he's red-carded and people are calling for his head. I don't remember Harley being cited either and given a two-week ban.

You're absolutely right in saying that the injury was what determined the red card and not the action itself.

Don't forget about this one either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCo5n1QmaoM . Penalty and no more.

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1 Week, 4 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

It's actually the British and Irish Lions, and I think there's a bit of a difference between eye-gouging someone and clumsily taking someone out in the air by mistake.

1 Week, 15 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

What is the law though? Does it say you're not allowed to collide with a player in the air or you're not allowed to tackle him, because this is clearly an accidental collision rather than a tackle.

Then, does the law say that as long as you jump you can do whatever you want to the other player as long as it's in the air? I'm not sure if there is actually a ground/air difference specified in the rules, although I could very well be wrong.

I don't know what the law is, but it seems like common sense is the thing to use here, and emotion rather than common sense seems to be what influenced the referee's decision. I've no doubt that if Goode had gotten up and walked away the referee would have given Payne a yellow card, and as someone mentioned, if it took 5 minutes of replays to determine the punishment then it obviously wasn't a clear red card.

1 Week, 23 Hours ago

Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode

Regardless of whether or not it deserved a red card, has anyone ever actually seen a red card given for this before, or is this the first case? If it's the first case, then why?

It's an unfortunate accident, but that's all it is, so I think giving the same punishment for this as for eye-gouging, head-stamping and punching is a bit much.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Heineken Cup 2014 Quarter Final Highlights

I understand why the referee might give a red card for that, but then again, I personally have never, ever seen a red card given for that, so I don't see why it was given in this case. Ronan O'Gara did it on the Lions tour and all that was given was a penalty. If Goode hadn't gotten hurt then the referee wouldn't have given a red card and I think that's a foolish way to judge the seriousness of an act of foul play. It was too stupid for words from Payne but red cards are supposed to be reserved for really bad acts of foul play like eye-gouging and punching people; not for a lack of awareness when chasing a high ball that leads to a nasty collision.

Then, according to the letter of the law, when the Saracens player tackled an Ulster player who had jumped in the lineout he committed the same offence as Payne and did it voluntarily but got just a penalty against him, which is a double-standard, according to the letter of the law.

Ulster looked like the team to beat this year and it's sickening to think that instead of them getting the chance to be crowned Europe's best their season has ended in failure because of one stupid incident from Payne.

And Eddie-g, you say that intent is irrelevant and maybe you're right in theory, but Garces said several times to the television match official that they needed to analyse the intention of Payne, so seemingly he did take intent into account.

All in all, I'm just really sad to see Ulster gone and the fact that Saracens barely scraped a victory against a 14-man team in my eyes shows the gulf in class between the two. A shame.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

Heineken Cup 2014 Quarter Final Highlights

I understand why the referee might give a red card for that, but then again, I personally have never, ever seen a red card given for that, so I don't see why it was given in this case. Ronan O'Gara did it on the Lions tour and all that was given was a penalty. If Goode hadn't gotten hurt then the referee wouldn't have given a red card and I think that's a foolish way to judge the seriousness of an act of foul play. It was too stupid for words from Payne but red cards are supposed to be reserved for really bad acts of foul play like eye-gouging and punching people; not for a lack of awareness when chasing a high ball that leads to a nasty collision.

Then, according to the letter of the law, when the Saracens player tackled an Ulster player who had jumped in the lineout he committed the same offence as Payne and did it voluntarily but got just a penalty against him, which is a double-standard, according to the letter of the law.

Ulster looked like the team to beat this year and it's sickening to think that instead of them getting the chance to be crowned Europe's best their season has ended in failure because of one stupid incident from Payne.

And Eddie-g, you say that intent is irrelevant and maybe you're right in theory, but Garces said several times to the television match official that they needed to analyse the intention of Payne, so seemingly he did take intent into account.

All in all, I'm just really sad to see Ulster gone and the fact that Saracens barely scraped a victory against a 14-man team in my eyes shows the gulf in class between the two. A shame.

1 Week, 1 Day ago

The Top 5 Brian O'Driscoll Moments of All Time

I'd argue that it's crossing if the attacking player runs into and knocks the defender to the ground thereby preventing any possibility of reaching the ball-carrier. Maggs was clearly following O'Driscoll so how you can say he committed to Hickie is beyond me. Normally the way it works is that if the dummy runner is way ahead of the ball-carrier and causes significant contact with the defender it's considered obstruction. I'm a big fan of O'Driscoll too but in this case it was simply an illegal move.

3 Weeks, 3 Days ago

 
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