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Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

We indeed do deserve this final :p Especially since we've beaten the main Irish clubs, my favorite "foreign" clubs.
I don't think the point is deserving a final or not (how many times would we deserve to have won against Leinster... :D), it's a matter of differences between systems: money in France is countered by the calendar and the protectionism in Ireland (can an Irish play abroad?).
Both have pros and cons: great foreign players and great local league or developing local players... etc

An Auvergnat supporter.

1 Year, 2 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

I pretty much agree except I'd add that money is the key factor to success (not the only, agreed) and I don't think Reality's point of view is based on clichés.
On the other hand lots of players choose Clermont not only for money but also for the experience: money helps leaving the home country that's for sure, but they know who's gonna train them and I think Vern Cotter is a good factor, and they know they're gonna play in Hcup and they kinda know what's the rugby style here and there.

But that's not the point: the point is that french clubs and irish clubs do not have the same set of rules. It's not the fault of France or Ireland but they point out a problem: we need to have a common system so that everyone plays on the same level. I like ours as much as I like the Irish one. But people at the top of the rugby union have to say something. Protectionism or capitalism, or a mix of both?

1 Year, 2 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

I'm sorry I don't see the downside of a "positive discrimination" in sport.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

Also that's funny cause when Irish clubs were winning we thought that was unfair because of the difference of systems, and we were ready to change the Hcup. Now that French clubs are winning, the Irish think it is unfair, and for the same reason.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

I actually do:

Stade Toulousain 34,97 M EUR
Clermont 25,52 M EUR
Stade Français 22,81 M EUR
Toulon 21,84 M EUR
Racing-Métro 21,74 M EUR
Bayonne 17,96 M EUR
Montpellier 17,51 M EUR
Biarritz 17,33 M EUR
Castres 15,61 M EUR
Grenoble 14,90 M EUR
Perpignan 14,47 M EUR
Agen 13,19 M EUR
Bordeaux-Bègles 11,93 M EUR
Mont-de-Marsan 6,23 M EUR

Ranking before last day:
1. Clermont
2. Toulon
3. Stade Toulousain
4. Castres
5. Racing-Métro
6. Montpellier
7. USAP
8. Stade Français
9. Grenoble
10. Aviron Bayonnais
11. Biarritz
12. Bordeaux-Bègles
13. Agen
14. Mont-de-Marsan

Can you see a link?

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

That is pretty true, the real rugby leaders in France being the clubs' presidents.
I also agree on quotas of French players actually playing (starting XV).
I think it all comes down to one thing: there should be a unique system in Europe or even in the world (but let's first begin with EU), having the experience of the errors of soccer.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

Quickly checked the facts:
France was 5th this year in U20 (better than main team who was last...).
But the 2 years before we were 2nd.
So, you know, there's no real trend here.

As for local players (or at least trained locally), the requirements are getting higher every year. Today, 50% of players have to be trained in France. Next year (or the year after, I think it has changed), it's gonna be 60%. I think we need more rules but we have lots of great players to come (Fofana who just became famous, Buttin, lots of guys from Toulouse...)

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

So I guess we should all abide by the same rules, to be fair, don't we?
The next question being what are the better rules/system...

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Clermont through to first ever Heineken Cup Final after tense win over Munster

Clermont was created in 1911 and is in the French 1st division (now Top 14) since 1925. Though one must admit that money is a key to stay at this level:

In the French league, all clubs can go down divisions. The 2 last (13th and 14th ranked) clubs go to the 2nd division (Pro D2) and only the 6 (or 7) firsts access the Hcup, which contrarily to Irish club system puts a high pressure on your local league results. Whereas 3 or 4 (all) Irish clubs are automatically qualified. That is what triggers the run to high budgets in France.
I'm not saying which one is better system, and there is a debate here whether French club should adopt the Irish provincial system.

Toulon has a big rugby history as well, and only injecting money in the club was not the only key to success. Example: Racing-Metro 92 and Saracens have a moderate fan basis, which might explain why their success is limited (I like to think the XVIth man is real important in rugby).
But don't worry, the Frenchmen do not worship euro bills. And actually a lot of French supporters despise Toulon for several reasons: it could be their money (though I think that is called jealousy), it could be for their supporters who whistle every single kick attempt of the opposite side or any referee decision (but they call this their rugby culture), or it could be for their president Mourad Boudjellal who also can easily spit on refereeing (see the "refereeing sod*my") or anything he may not like/agree with.

Hmmm I think I slightly digressed here, but at least you now know more about French rugby.

An Auvergnat supporter.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Wesley Fofana scores outstanding try vs Toulouse after just 39 seconds

Not bad, not great, just okay... and good looking. She just knows her stuff. Though she has the importance her manager wants her to have, meaning she perhaps could do better if she were more than just a presenter.
But honestly, most french male sport journalists/reporters/presenters are okay to bad. In my opinion, beginning with Eric Bayle who's been there for too long.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

 
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