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I agree, flanker, I'm sure they know the laws. The point is that the conversation between the ref and TMO these days is heard by the viewers, commentators, pretty much everyone. Clarity is what's needed. If saying "caution him" when you mean "yellow card him" wasn't unnecessarily ambiguous, then this video wouldn't even be on here. If the TMO did only mean "warning" but the ref decided a card was more fitting, then fine. But that's not what they are saying happened.
1 Week, 1 Day ago
In normal everyday English the word "caution" means to warn or advise. Why would whoever it is that makes these decisions, decide that the word "caution" means something entirely different and confusing on the rugby field. Why doesn't the TMO say something clear and precise like "yellow card", because after all he assures us that's what he meant? Talk about making things harder than they need to be.
And was it truly a sending off matter? I would've thought a real caution, you know, like a bit of a warning, would've been sufficient.
1 Week, 2 Days ago
Actually, I've had a rethink and I've decided to be insulted too. Hundreds of thousands? Nah, it should be millions and Messsam should be banned for life, and the All Blacks would be banned from the World Cup if it was up to me. I've never seen a national team who should know better do something so appalling. I'm appalled and insulted.
1 Week, 3 Days ago
Firstly, Messam had no business being in there and the fine is warranted, whether he was just getting between players or whatever.
As to what actually happened, I assume that we're all watching the same video, but sometimes you really do wonder. It seems pretty clear that after the whistle goes, Moore runs a couple of paces towards Nonu and tackles him. Nonu objects and bounces the ball off Moore's head as they go to ground. A couple of the angles show Nonu landing on the ground, not on Moore as some are suggesting. Pocock sees the noggin-ball and grabs Nonu, and a few others join in. The Aussie commentator's remark about smashing into Moore's face is nonsense. I also disagree with RD's assertion that Nonu knee-dropped Moore, I don't think that's supported by the video. And Nisbett was obviously surprised when he saw a beanie in amongst it, but to say he sounded disgusted is a stretch.
1 Week, 3 Days ago
Although the commentators seemed to convince themselves (as commentators so often do), I don't think it's at all clear on the video that the ball was forced. And the assistant referee could hardly have been in a better position to judge it.
It also looks to me as if the ball carrier knew he wasn't quite at the line which is why he hung the ball out there for that fatal split second.
If the ball hadn't reached the line and Schrader had grabbed it and forced it, then I can only see "carried back" as the call. Though looking at these replays I'm not sure that even a TMO could've sorted it out definitively anyway. For what it's worth, on the video evidence I'm ok with the way it played out.
1 Week, 5 Days ago
I make no comment on English supporters, but I've been reading around and it seems to me that most of the reaction to this game has been fairly measured. The Aussies are rightly pleased but realistic about needing many more performances like this; while the NZers are disappointed but equally realistic and maybe even a little relieved that a loss at this stage of a WC year is a timely heads-up. I sometimes think that rugby supporters in the rest of the world often underestimate the strength of the Bledisloe rivalry. No matter what the state of the competition, or current form, most fans regard BC games to be 50/50 propositions when the teams run on. Nobody I know assumes a win and next week at Eden Park is no exception, despite history.
2 Weeks, 4 Days ago
A fit Pocock was always going to make a difference to this side, and while he's been away Hooper has honed his craft nicely. They were so predatory and effective that they would've outplayed two McCaws on the day, and McCaw had a pretty good game. Factor in the inexplicable sight of NZ tight forwards, early on, wandering around in midfield wondering what to do with this rugby ball someone has passed to them, and it didn't look good for the MIB from the get-go. From the moment they fumbled the first kick-off the ABs seemed to have trouble getting wholly focussed. They have a game like this every now and then, and they played a few minutes of very good rugby which is usually enough to get them home on the worst days, but not this time, Australia wanted it more.
2 Weeks, 4 Days ago
Here's what the law says, word for word: "The receiver must stand at least 2 metres towards that player's goal line from that player's team mates… etc". Note the "at least"… that means that he must be no closer than 2 metres, but he can be more. Everybody else seems to understand this. So if he is 2 1/2 metres away as you insist, and many other analysts agree with you, then he is definitely onside. You really should check out the link to rugbyrefs.com in Roadpig's post, where all this is explained very clearly. It also shows how at least two of the SA players are in fact standing in illegal positions if the laws were strictly enforced in the way you suggest.
Others have also pointed out that the lift timing is very marginal and that many SA lineouts (and some NZ) included much more blatant early lifting. There is a photo here:
…that shows a SA forward already held high in the air before the hooker has even brought the ball forward over his head to throw it in. If teams have been allowed clean attacking ball all day from lineouts like that, why should this particular, very marginal example be penalised? The answer is, it shouldn't be.
3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
I've watched the last try several times too Larry. You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the laws of the game regarding passing the ball, and the way they are interpreted by every referee in international rugby. I can't help you any further.
As for dredging up all these old "missed calls" from decades ago, NZ have been on the wrong end of plenty of them and they continue to be, because every team has bad calls go against them. Knock-ons from 1967! You don't have to go back that far, Ireland probably scored from one in 2013.
I had to laugh at your suggestion that trying to milk penalties is somehow a NZ invention. I played for many years and I've watched for many more… I mean, you've got to be kidding.
It's nonsense to suggest that there has been some conspiracy in world rugby for 50 or 60 years to make sure NZ wins. You're sounding a bit paranoid, Larry, you need to move on, you might enjoy your rugby a little more.
3 Weeks, 6 Days ago
… "that's been fairly obvious" for 110 years. :)
1 Month, 1 Day ago