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Paul O'Connell knocks out Dave Kearney with clumsy kick to the head

it's clear at 0:44 that the ball is still in the grip of his hand. and for those that think the strike was ok -- he actually strikes Kearney's head FIRST.
Kearney does not actually release the ball until he was KTFO.

So through either fact pattern, POC arrives at the same sanction:

1. Kearney releases the ball because he was KTFO by POC, and then POC's own follow subsequently makes contact with the ball. because he struck a player first -- PK -- and red card -- against Munster.
OR
2. POC wanted the ball to be presented to him by a player who did not immediately release it to him. PK against Leinster for not releasing the ball. PK reversal -- and red card -- for POC taking the law into his own hands.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Paul O'Connell knocks out Dave Kearney with clumsy kick to the head

To me, the hit in the air was a little clumsy -- #15 was going for the ball, but then stopped. Could have been penalized, but I could have just as easily seen that as play on.

But I think that was the red herring that distracted Owens and the ARs. Maybe they thought he was knocked out by the hit, and/or the players were yelling about that.

But looking at the PRO12 rules on their website, it seems they cannot go to the TMO for foul play. Is that right?

http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/statzone/competition_rules.php

What a crazy-quilt of rules we have across competitions -- H-Cup has foul play TMO, but Amlin doesn't?

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Paul O'Connell knocks out Dave Kearney with clumsy kick to the head

Facepalm,

I guess my point was that it's one thing for both players trying to gain possession (think of a "50-50 ball" if you will), and one dives for it head first, while another goes to kick it.

If that were the case, I might say “bad luck”.

But in this case, Kearney clearly held the ball, and was placing it down to release it.

He shouldn't expect to get kicked in the head.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Paul O'Connell knocks out Dave Kearney with clumsy kick to the head

Tom,
Kearney gathered the ball and had control of it.
He was bumped in the air, and fell to ground, and was in the process of placing it.
No tackler held him, so not a tackle.
No players from opposing teams formed around him, so no ruck formed.
No Munster player came over the top and try and strip it, so no obligation for Kearney to release the ball
Per Law 14.1(a) – a player on the ground must immediate do one of three things – get up, pass the ball, release the ball. Kearney was clearly in the process of doing so, so I don’t think he was infringing.

The way I see it,
Kearney was complying with the law.
POC violated 10.4(c) – “A player must not kick an opponent”

So maybe my use of the term “possession” is a little imprecise (it is defined in the IRB Laws of the Game as a player “… carrying the ball”). But I generally have a pretty decent grasp of the law.

As for my “troll” – it was simply a comment about the habits of certain pro players who always get in the ears of the ref on every single play—almost emulating footballers.

My troll was not directed at the comments made by any previous posters.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Paul O'Connell knocks out Dave Kearney with clumsy kick to the head

Absolute hor$e$h!t to not get cited.

Making contact with a player's head, "Outcome" should trump "intent". Kicking at a ball that is still CLEARLY IN POSSESSION of the ball carrier (under his arm and placing it) is a questionable act -- and if the outcome results in a head injury -- should have gotten the book.

Now for my troll -- imagine how quickly POC (and all the other Munster loudmouths who don't wear captain's armbands) would have been in the ear of the referee if it happened to his team. At least he did look concerned for the guy.


1 Year, 3 Months ago

Stade Francais' Jerome Fillol spits in Peter Stringer's face

Sure the head of the IRB is calling for 52 weeks..

But "remorse" usually gets a few weeks shaved off.

And in the IRB world, you can show remorse by being sorry you got caught, it doesn't seem that you actually have to be sorry for what you did.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Stade Francais' Jerome Fillol spits in Peter Stringer's face

I miss the old days, where if this was missed, the two captains and the ref would have huddled together and either the ref or the Bath captain would have said to Parisse:

"Sergio. We know something happened, and something got missed. In the interest of the game, and your players' safety, I strong suggest that #9 may have injured himself (i.e. before tactical subs, you could only sub injuries) at the next stoppage of play.

I would hate to be looking the other way at the next breakdown, and see you #9 come out of it with his back looking like a meat grinder crossed over it. But I only have two eyes to watch 30 players. I just might not see something. After all, I may have just missedd something now.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Stade Francais' Jerome Fillol spits in Peter Stringer's face

Stringer is a Hall of Fame pest, at a rugby position where being a pest might be considered a specialist skill.

Many guys have wanted to retaliate against Stringer over the years. I'm sure there is a list as long as the day is. IMHO, some level of retaliation is usually "deserved" (even if it's not smart for your team) against a pest of a scrumhalf. Troncon's punch was deserved -- even though it was not wise.

But whatever Stringer might "deserve" put aside, the way an opponent chooses to retaliate reflects more on him than on Stringer.

No one can explain to me how spitting on an opponent somehow makes you good in the eyes of the rugby Gods.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Saracens through to Heineken Cup semi final as 'Ash Splash' returns

God I wish someone would give him a splashdown like Cama Jr did on Serevi.

1 Year, 3 Months ago

Dimitri Yachvili forgets he's playing rugby, backheels pass for Erik Lund try

The only pinhole I could see here is a "charge down" of a heel.

As chargedowns only occur against "kicks".

But imagine getting called by a ref for a knock-on if you charged down a back heel kick

I would imagine any ref with a sense of fair play would just call "play on".

1 Year, 3 Months ago

 
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