Unless Alain Rolland has eyes on the back of his head, he was not aware of Burden's position, so even though I think great refereeing should always be praised, I agree with Jools that in this case it was "accidental" brilliant refereeing.
I actually do wonder if Ronaldo would be proud of that. I think it would be interesting to see some world class footballers try to control a rugby ball.
I don't think there is a rule/law against jumping into a tackle, but it can be penalised under the catch-all foul play rule against doing anything contrary to the spirit of the game (or something along those lines).
I am in the same camp as you, with a bit of sympathy for a well-put argument that Payne could have been given a yellow.
I have been waiting for the first post-Payne Northern hemisphere high-profile "player tackled in the air" incident, fully expecting to see a straight red card given the citing commissioner's decision and reasoning. As an Ulsterman, to see Williams get a yellow makes me so angry!
Did Payne intend to take out Goode while in the air? No.
Was Payne reckless (i.e. forsee that his actions would result in particular consequences yet carry on regardless)? No. My opinion is that Payne had no idea Goode was even close to getting the ball. Maybe he thought Goode started from much deeper; maybe he thought Goode was much closer to the other side of the pitch. Who knows? But is not knowing where your opponents are and what they are doing recklessness? I would say no.
Payne was at most negligent in attempting to catch a high ball on the run and in doing so not considering (or checking to see) whether an opposing player would jump for the ball. And as far as I am aware, that is not a standard of behaviour that warrants a red card.
In addition, anyone who has posted above that once Payne saw Goode he should have either jumped to contest or pulled out of the contact is out of his mind. He didn’t see Goode until his face was about a yard from Goode's hip/backside, and to suggest he should have then jumped or avoided contact is madness.
On the white card suggestion, I'm not sure it would have helped here. Garces saw it multiple times on the big screen and took a good 4 or 5 minutes while Goode was being treated to come to his decision (conferring with his touch judge for most of that time). I don't think an extra 5 minutes would have made any difference!
Dunedin Streaker gets Smashed by Security Guard Number Eight
If there is a Rule 2(a), I assume there is, at least, a Rule 1 and a Rule 2(b). Enlighten us.
2 Weeks, 6 Days ago
Springboks run riot against strong World XV in Cape Town
Pretty sure the Baabaas played the Lions in Hong Kong. Or does that still count as Britain?
1 Month, 2 Weeks ago
Craig Burden smashes Schalk Brits not once but twice in Heineken Cup Final
Unless Alain Rolland has eyes on the back of his head, he was not aware of Burden's position, so even though I think great refereeing should always be praised, I agree with Jools that in this case it was "accidental" brilliant refereeing.
2 Months, 3 Days ago
Canadian Conor Trainor's sublime foot control at the Glasgow Sevens
Great skill.
I actually do wonder if Ronaldo would be proud of that. I think it would be interesting to see some world class footballers try to control a rugby ball.
2 Months, 3 Weeks ago
Liam Williams and Robin Copeland face disciplinaries after double red card
I don't think there is a rule/law against jumping into a tackle, but it can be penalised under the catch-all foul play rule against doing anything contrary to the spirit of the game (or something along those lines).
3 Months, 1 Week ago
Liam Williams and Robin Copeland face disciplinaries after double red card
I meant disciplinary hearing officer or whatever title they have.
3 Months, 1 Week ago
Liam Williams and Robin Copeland face disciplinaries after double red card
I am in the same camp as you, with a bit of sympathy for a well-put argument that Payne could have been given a yellow.
I have been waiting for the first post-Payne Northern hemisphere high-profile "player tackled in the air" incident, fully expecting to see a straight red card given the citing commissioner's decision and reasoning. As an Ulsterman, to see Williams get a yellow makes me so angry!
3 Months, 1 Week ago
Liam Williams and Robin Copeland face disciplinaries after double red card
On the Williams tackle, I take it the ref did not see the Ulster v Saracens game. Illustrates perfectly the double standards.
3 Months, 1 Week ago
Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode
I see the incident as follows:
Did Payne intend to take out Goode while in the air? No.
Was Payne reckless (i.e. forsee that his actions would result in particular consequences yet carry on regardless)? No. My opinion is that Payne had no idea Goode was even close to getting the ball. Maybe he thought Goode started from much deeper; maybe he thought Goode was much closer to the other side of the pitch. Who knows? But is not knowing where your opponents are and what they are doing recklessness? I would say no.
Payne was at most negligent in attempting to catch a high ball on the run and in doing so not considering (or checking to see) whether an opposing player would jump for the ball. And as far as I am aware, that is not a standard of behaviour that warrants a red card.
In addition, anyone who has posted above that once Payne saw Goode he should have either jumped to contest or pulled out of the contact is out of his mind. He didn’t see Goode until his face was about a yard from Goode's hip/backside, and to suggest he should have then jumped or avoided contact is madness.
3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
Jared Payne banned for two weeks after red card challenge on Alex Goode
On the white card suggestion, I'm not sure it would have helped here. Garces saw it multiple times on the big screen and took a good 4 or 5 minutes while Goode was being treated to come to his decision (conferring with his touch judge for most of that time). I don't think an extra 5 minutes would have made any difference!
3 Months, 2 Weeks ago