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I agree that, by analogy (ripping the ball from the ball carriers hands is analogous to knocking the ball from the ball carrier's hands), this is a knock-on. But why do you say it is not a deliberate knock-on?
If a player uses a swinging arm to dislodge the ball from an opponent's grasp and the direction of movement of the swinging arm results in the ball going forward, I can't see how that is anything other than deliberate.
1 Day, 15 Hours ago
Ignoring for a moment whether the ball went sideways or forward, I did wonder about this. The laws don't make it any clearer (see below), as although they contemplate a tackler knocking the ball from his opponent's hands, they just seem to deal with the ball going forward from the ball carrier's perspective. Also, I'm not sure where the line is between, on one hand, making contact with the ball in tackling an opponent and, on the other, ripping the ball or deliberately knocking the ball from an opponent's hands. One will result in a knock-on and the other won't.
Perhaps one of the refs here could clear it up?
Definition of knock-on from World Rugby:
"A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.
If a player in tackling an opponent makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward from the ball carrier’s hands, that is a knock-on.
If a player rips the ball or deliberately knocks the ball from an opponent's hands and the ball goes forward from the ball carrier's hands, that is not a knock-on."
2 Days, 7 Hours ago
I detected sarcasm in Citing Commissioner's proposal, but may be wrong.
3 Weeks, 3 Days ago
Ref wanting to get a bit of attention?
No need for him to almost stop to take the pass. By the look on the face of the player who threw the pass (which, although wasn't the best pass, could well have been caught by the NZ player), he thought so too!
4 Weeks, 19 Hours ago
Emery did jump.
He just jumped after Le Roux did and didn't get as high as Le Roux.
So we need players to practise synchronised jumping.
1 Month, 4 Days ago
With hindsight, yes! But remember in the first few games of the world cup last year, the referees were as far as I can recall criticised for stopping the game too often to look at replays of what often ended up being nothing.
1 Month, 3 Weeks ago
I hope the props that were sent off weren't the Navy tighthead and the Marine loosehead. If you look in the background between about 0:05 and 0:10, they can be seen having a bit of a grapple but then seem to decide that they don't want to go there, so end up having a bit of a hug.
Unless they threw the first digs to set the whole thing off, they were a beacon of camaradarie.
1 Month, 4 Weeks ago
Isles took the pass probably a couple of metres closer to the oncoming tacklers than he would have liked and got caught in three minds. After Pulu didn't commit too early to Isles first running line, it was an "easy" smash.
Agree about the afters. Not sure I've ever seen Isles say or do anything arrogant to warrant it, With that sort of pace, he could easily showboat/take the mick if he was that way inclined. But nothing wrong with having blistering pace and liking to use it.
I remember a clip of him bombing a try when he dropped the ball in the in-goal in a 15s game. Was just a simple mistake, but yet a load of comments on one thread (not rugbydump) about how he deserved it etc.
Put it down to envy.
3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
That kick at the start was awful. Clearly shows the lack of basic skills at the amateur level in NZ.
4 Months, 4 Days ago
Agree entirely with first two paragraphs. He was knocked out when his head hit the ground (involuntary arms in the air), so not sure how quickly he could be expected to bounce back up on his feet anyway.
I'm an Ulster fan.
5 Months, 1 Week ago