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CJ Stander banned for 1 week after red card for knocking out Pat Lambie

Not much more to add to what has already been said.

Was it late? Definitely not.

Was it intentional? Only the player can know. Did he mean to catch him in the face with his hip/arse? Considering the possible consequences, probably not. Did he mean to give him a bit of a bump, knock him off his stride? Maybe. And if he did, what's wrong with that as an intention? It's part of the game.

Go to the highlights of the game in the other post. Around 3:00, paddy Jackson makes a lovely break and chips it over Le Roux, who jumps to to try to block the kick. The players collide, Le Roux even brings his knees up in a strange movement, but as Jackson has a try on his mind, he moves his body enough that he can get past Le Roux and has a chance to get the ball. If this was just a clearing kick, query whether he would have done that. If not, he could well have taken a knee to the face and, by the same logic, Le Roux would be sent off.

So the question is whether jumping to attempt a charge-down is reckless. And if it is reckless, is it worthy of a red card? If the answer to each of those questions is yes, we need some new guidance from the IRB!

1 Year, 5 Months ago

Morgan Parra prevents try brilliantly by punching ball out of attacker's hands

I agree that, by analogy (ripping the ball from the ball carriers hands is analogous to knocking the ball from the ball carrier's hands), this is a knock-on. But why do you say it is not a deliberate knock-on?

If a player uses a swinging arm to dislodge the ball from an opponent's grasp and the direction of movement of the swinging arm results in the ball going forward, I can't see how that is anything other than deliberate.

1 Year, 5 Months ago

Morgan Parra prevents try brilliantly by punching ball out of attacker's hands

Ignoring for a moment whether the ball went sideways or forward, I did wonder about this. The laws don't make it any clearer (see below), as although they contemplate a tackler knocking the ball from his opponent's hands, they just seem to deal with the ball going forward from the ball carrier's perspective. Also, I'm not sure where the line is between, on one hand, making contact with the ball in tackling an opponent and, on the other, ripping the ball or deliberately knocking the ball from an opponent's hands. One will result in a knock-on and the other won't.

Perhaps one of the refs here could clear it up?

Definition of knock-on from World Rugby:

"A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.
If a player in tackling an opponent makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward from the ball carrier’s hands, that is a knock-on.
If a player rips the ball or deliberately knocks the ball from an opponent's hands and the ball goes forward from the ball carrier's hands, that is not a knock-on."

1 Year, 5 Months ago

Leolin Zas red carded and banned after Bernard Foley's awful landing

I detected sarcasm in Citing Commissioner's proposal, but may be wrong.

1 Year, 6 Months ago

Midweek Madness - Referee stops counter attack when instinct kicks in

Ref wanting to get a bit of attention?

No need for him to almost stop to take the pass. By the look on the face of the player who threw the pass (which, although wasn't the best pass, could well have been caught by the NZ player), he thought so too!

1 Year, 6 Months ago

Willie le Roux survives horror landing as Jason Emery sees red

Emery did jump.

He just jumped after Le Roux did and didn't get as high as Le Roux.

So we need players to practise synchronised jumping.

1 Year, 7 Months ago

David Pocock suspended after choking Chiefs number eight

With hindsight, yes! But remember in the first few games of the world cup last year, the referees were as far as I can recall criticised for stopping the game too often to look at replays of what often ended up being nothing.

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Ugly fight erupts between French and British navies in annual clash

I hope the props that were sent off weren't the Navy tighthead and the Marine loosehead. If you look in the background between about 0:05 and 0:10, they can be seen having a bit of a grapple but then seem to decide that they don't want to go there, so end up having a bit of a hug.

Unless they threw the first digs to set the whole thing off, they were a beacon of camaradarie.

1 Year, 7 Months ago

Carlin Isles unhappy after being caught and hit hard by Augustine Pulu

Great hit.

Isles took the pass probably a couple of metres closer to the oncoming tacklers than he would have liked and got caught in three minds. After Pulu didn't commit too early to Isles first running line, it was an "easy" smash.

Agree about the afters. Not sure I've ever seen Isles say or do anything arrogant to warrant it, With that sort of pace, he could easily showboat/take the mick if he was that way inclined. But nothing wrong with having blistering pace and liking to use it.

I remember a clip of him bombing a try when he dropped the ball in the in-goal in a 15s game. Was just a simple mistake, but yet a load of comments on one thread (not rugbydump) about how he deserved it etc.

Put it down to envy.

1 Year, 9 Months ago

Midweek Madness - Whiria Meltzer's incredible flick pass sets up great 7s try

That kick at the start was awful. Clearly shows the lack of basic skills at the amateur level in NZ.

1 Year, 10 Months ago