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Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

You say that me saying you may fully grasp the English language is insulting. It shouldn't be considering you have demonstrated throughtout these posts that you do not. Your reasoning for apologising is only the latest indication as to this fact. There's a saying in Spanish which fits perfectly, 'Quien se pica, ajos come'. As you have a natural flair for languages then you should have no problems with that. And yes, I know what a troll is, your point being? You yourself claimed that I am in the wrong for jumping to conclusions but state also that many could agree that I appear to be trying to push buttons, appear being the operative word. I realise that all languages have their nuances and that it is extremely difficult for people to understand these things completely, but do keep trying as if there's one thing that I can compliment you on it's your range of language, although not always clear.

As for your question on how it was possible that you managed to explain what you meant after a while...well, if you reread your post then I think that you will find you have answered your own question.

Some things in this world are black and white, such as the fact that there wasn't conclusive evidence of a try being scored. Nobody has successfully posted a picture or a video showing the ball being grounded over the line. Again, if you reread my last post then you will see that I have agreed with you to certain point on these facts, so before you continue in your interesting attempt to debate this then I urge you to consider things rationally.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

Philo, not sure you can conclusively say that the ball was grounded from the linked picture that you have provided as there is still no view of the ball being in contact with the ground. I do agree with you that part of the 'No Try' decision was down to the way Steve Walsh asked the question, but even still...having asked the alternative question the could still be the possibility of the same outcome as the TMO could have come back with there being no evidence of the ball being grounded, although I admit it's more likely he would have said there was no evidence to say that a Welsh player had held up the ball. Do you really believe that Flood would have nailed as difficult kick as he would have been left, despite being cold in terms of just coming on?
Penalty should have been called back for on the other hand under the usual advantage allowance. I do feel that it is a bit excessive at times though, and personally feel that such an opportunity to score a try is sufficient advantage.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

I am not entirely under the impression that I am correct, I don't think that a try was scored, but cannot be 100% certain of this due to no camera angle conclusively showing either a Welsh player's arm under the ball, or Strettle failing to ground the ball. One thing that I can be certain of is that with the resources available it was impossible for the TMO to award a try given the question that Steve Walsh asked.

I accept your now clear opinion that you thought a try was probably scored. I also accept that you have been able to come to the same conclusion as myself when saying that the ref and the TMO got the decison correct by applying the same logic as I did.

This whole debate has arisen from the fact that you were unclear in your original assertions. Whether you agree with this or not is your prerogative, however, I will point to the fact that I am not the only person who has brought this point up. I did not jump to conclusions, I took on face value what you said. You expressed your opinion. If you do not like people disagreeing with what you think then perhaps you shouldn't be on here.

As for your insults...insults are not restricted to swear words such as ┬┤fuck', but a number of things such as your insuation that I am a troll. This shows what I have suggested in saying you don't have a complete grasp of English.

Finally, don't presume to know anything about me or question how many languages I can speak or not. I have nothing to prove, you are the one that brought this up in an attempt to somehow make yourself superior to me. What is your mother tongue by the way?

I apologise for absolutely nothing other than attempting to have a reasoned debate with you, something you have been unable to keep up, instead just trying to turn it into a slinging match. I am not going to be drawn into insulting you and lowering myself to that level.

As I said, good luck for the future.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

Now now Pretzel, no need to get touchy over the matter. I was merely suggesting that you continue to work hard to further improve yourself, as everyone should I feel. If you want to take what I said in a negative fashion then that's your problem, not mine.

I have at no point been patronising towards you, nor have I at any point resorted to anything other than my knowledge of rugby and the laws, coupled with my experience of having played rugby throughout school and university.

I have no need to gain respect from someone who feels the need to use insults in their arguments as you have. I have never in my life had an argument over rugby incidents in which people have become so weak in their convictions that insulting is a reasonable course of action in their opinion.

Respect is something that I look for from my peers, other people of sound knowledge and who can hold a good argument, can express their ideas clearly and also can admit when they are wrong or apologise for not having clearly stated what they meant. You, dear sir, fall into none of these categories.

However, I hold none of this against you and wish you good luck for the future. Perhaps, in time, we will be able to hold a reasoned discussion. Unfortunately, due to the reasons I have already stated, at the moment I feel that is not possible.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

Now, Pretzel, why didn't you word it like that in the first place? If you had then there wouldn't have been such a misunderstanding. Now you mention that English isn't your mother tongue I can see why you have been unable to correctly express your opinion so far and have needed to go around the houses to encounter the proper manner to clearly say what you meant. Keep studying (both English, and rugby laws and procedures) and you might get to grips with one of them fully in the future.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

Pretzel, it's impossible to have a reasoned discussion with you, as you have just proven with your post further down on 'tip tackling' by answering in an inflammatory manner to a simple query and continuing to use insults rather than respond in a normal adult manner.

You claim that the concept you are getting at is simple yet two people (myself and Brecor) have independently pointed out your contradictions yet you are unwilling to accept them, claiming instead that quotes from things that you yourself said have been taken out of context.

Try going back and reading your posts with a little objectivity.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

Just a question, how would you tip someone pased the horizontal without physically picking them up?

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

"It was a try in my opinion... why?"

"My only doubt is whether the ball was well and truly grounded at 6:54... or was it millimetres from the ground?!?..."
Above I have quote two things that you stated in a single post. Brecor has pointed this out too. You have contradicted yourself by saying that it was a try, thus it was grounded, but then also doubting whether it was grounded at all. You can't have it both ways.

"Whatever the opinion, the outcome is the same and referee and TMO made the right call..." Your finally statement, if you actually believe that they made the right decision then you wouldn't be claiming it was a true. As we always ask of referees, a bit of consistency please Pretzel.

Also, it is the actions of a weak man who has no conviction in their thoughts of opinons to start attacking and insulting other people. Once more, just showing yourself up.

As for tip tackles, I shall answer you further down on a topic where you seem to much more reasonable...

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

As for the George North tackle on Owen Farrell, fair play to Farrell for taking such a big hit. If you pick someone up it is your responsibility to put them back down again safely. At any rate, North didn't pick Farrell up beyond the horizontal, so no problems there.

As for the Warburton line-out incident. That area should be looked at as someone could get seriously injured, but at the moment only penalties are awarded for it. Brian Moore even commented on this in the game.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

Wales claim the Triple Crown with nail biting win over England

There is doubt as to whether the ball was grounded over the line, therefore a try cannot be awarded. Just because it looks in one angle that it has been grounded, yet because of a lack of perspective it is unsure as to whether this is before or over the line, but then in other we can see the Strettle is over, you cannot award the try. This is mere speculation. Due to the way Walsh (who I thought had an awful game, both ways) asked the question the TMO just could not award the try.

I'm guessing your "read rule book" quote is a dig at our last tete a tete. It would be very impressive if I were to read a rule book on rugby, or if anyone were for that matter. I'll leave you to ponder on that.

I mentioned you showing yourself up as you said that a try should be awarded, yet then went on to state that there was enough doubt in your mind as to whether the ball had actually been grounded. You can't say both, either you think the ball was grounded over the line, therefore it was a try, or you doubt that it was and therefore it wasn't a try. Make your mind up.

2 Years, 6 Months ago

 
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