I never bothered to watch the game in full because I heard it was dreadful, but from watching this it looks like everyone in the welsh team was trying to score themselves, and that made both tries much more work than was probably needed.
I agree that the refs hands are tied, and I don't really have a problem with them having made the decision to follow the rules. My problem is that this is not the type of incident that that set of rules was introduced to prevent.
That Tom James clip is interesting, and illustrates the issue about outcomes not being relevant, but James did at some stage make the decision to headbutt Azam (however lightly). It was a deliberate act, where as this tackle looks to me to just be a combination of confusion, poor timing and a complicated group of men fighting.
I don't think it is a delicate approach at all, there are rules to this game, and when you don't follow them as blatantly and as willingly as Pieterson I think you should be made an example of.
Does that seem right to you though? Because in every other part of life outcome and intent have a massive bearing on the penalty imposed on you for your actions.
Under the rules the red card might be correct, but it still seems like nonsense to me to red him and then ban him as well. I'm all for player safety and ensuring we don't have a repeat of the BOD in 2005 incident, but there needs to be some common sense engaged to differentiate between what is malicious, what is careless and dangerous, what is careless and not dangerous, and what is just an error of timing or judgement that wasn't dangerous. Red him, ban him, hang him for all I care, but afterwards have a look at the rules and get rid of this cold, one rule fits all approach and put something in place that reflects the complexity of the game and this type of situation.
I get that this has the potential to be dangerous, but does the law really need to be this stringent? It was a stupid and poorley executed tackle, but it was in all likelihood an accident and had no consequences, is a straight red really necessary for an accident that had no repercussions? And then a 5 week ban? When they gave Hore the same thing for this seems ridiculous http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/11/2886/andrew-hore-cited-for-off-the-ball-stiffarm-on-bradley-davies
Those suspensions would be jolly good and fair and all, but it would have been zero comfort if France had gone on to lose narrowly, should the commission reverse the result as well?
You're living in a fluffy duffy world full of cuddles and love, mate. That might be the rules, and I dont think anyone has said that they aren't, but they are stupid.
Just looked at it again, and I cant say for sure that any of Maestri's punches land, which if I'm remembering right is a very important distinction. Plus Taumalolo started things off with an illegal shoulder charge, just to add to his list of offences
The ref would never have seen what happened in this case if the French player didnt fight back or take a screaming dive. Plus, as I remember it, he took most of his swings with his shirt over his head, you cant expect a man who has just been punched in the face and then blindfolded to patiently wait there until the light returns to him
Wales claim hard-fought win over tough Tonga in Cardiff
I never bothered to watch the game in full because I heard it was dreadful, but from watching this it looks like everyone in the welsh team was trying to score themselves, and that made both tries much more work than was probably needed.
2 Weeks, 1 Day ago
Tevita Kuridrani receives five week suspension for dangerous tackle
I agree that the refs hands are tied, and I don't really have a problem with them having made the decision to follow the rules. My problem is that this is not the type of incident that that set of rules was introduced to prevent.
That Tom James clip is interesting, and illustrates the issue about outcomes not being relevant, but James did at some stage make the decision to headbutt Azam (however lightly). It was a deliberate act, where as this tackle looks to me to just be a combination of confusion, poor timing and a complicated group of men fighting.
2 Weeks, 2 Days ago
Wing JP Pietersen's big tackle on Eighthman David Denton
I don't think it is a delicate approach at all, there are rules to this game, and when you don't follow them as blatantly and as willingly as Pieterson I think you should be made an example of.
2 Weeks, 2 Days ago
Tevita Kuridrani receives five week suspension for dangerous tackle
Does that seem right to you though? Because in every other part of life outcome and intent have a massive bearing on the penalty imposed on you for your actions.
2 Weeks, 4 Days ago
Tevita Kuridrani receives five week suspension for dangerous tackle
Under the rules the red card might be correct, but it still seems like nonsense to me to red him and then ban him as well. I'm all for player safety and ensuring we don't have a repeat of the BOD in 2005 incident, but there needs to be some common sense engaged to differentiate between what is malicious, what is careless and dangerous, what is careless and not dangerous, and what is just an error of timing or judgement that wasn't dangerous. Red him, ban him, hang him for all I care, but afterwards have a look at the rules and get rid of this cold, one rule fits all approach and put something in place that reflects the complexity of the game and this type of situation.
2 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Tevita Kuridrani receives five week suspension for dangerous tackle
I get that this has the potential to be dangerous, but does the law really need to be this stringent? It was a stupid and poorley executed tackle, but it was in all likelihood an accident and had no consequences, is a straight red really necessary for an accident that had no repercussions? And then a 5 week ban? When they gave Hore the same thing for this seems ridiculous
http://www.rugbydump.com/2012/11/2886/andrew-hore-cited-for-off-the-ball-stiffarm-on-bradley-davies
2 Weeks, 5 Days ago
Sona Taumalolo and Yoann Maestri red carded for France vs Tonga fight
Those suspensions would be jolly good and fair and all, but it would have been zero comfort if France had gone on to lose narrowly, should the commission reverse the result as well?
3 Weeks, 1 Day ago
Sona Taumalolo and Yoann Maestri red carded for France vs Tonga fight
You're living in a fluffy duffy world full of cuddles and love, mate. That might be the rules, and I dont think anyone has said that they aren't, but they are stupid.
3 Weeks, 1 Day ago
Sona Taumalolo and Yoann Maestri red carded for France vs Tonga fight
Just looked at it again, and I cant say for sure that any of Maestri's punches land, which if I'm remembering right is a very important distinction. Plus Taumalolo started things off with an illegal shoulder charge, just to add to his list of offences
3 Weeks, 1 Day ago
Sona Taumalolo and Yoann Maestri red carded for France vs Tonga fight
The ref would never have seen what happened in this case if the French player didnt fight back or take a screaming dive. Plus, as I remember it, he took most of his swings with his shirt over his head, you cant expect a man who has just been punched in the face and then blindfolded to patiently wait there until the light returns to him
3 Weeks, 1 Day ago